Would you ever vote for a practicing Muslim as President? Regardless of whatever you think of Obama, if someone who was a full muslim ran for whatever party you normally voted for, would you vote for him?

Yes. I have never given serious weight to a candidate's religion when I voted--never will.
Avowed atheist or devil worshipper?
I'd have to think some on that one.

No.

They have a track record or just voted present most of the time?

quote Originally posted by 1985FieroGT: Would you ever vote for a practicing Muslim as President? Regardless of whatever you think of Obama, if someone who was a full muslim ran for whatever party you normally voted for, would you vote for him?

Why would you ask a question about a muslim and them mention obama? What are you trying to say? Sounds like a loaded question?

quote Originally posted by Rickady88GT: Why would you ask a question about a muslim and them mention obama? What are you trying to say? Sounds like a loaded question?

Knowing the way some people think of Obama (thinking he is a muslim, when he isn't) was the reason why I asked the question... I'm plainly trying to gauge whether or not someone would vote for a true muslim man for president. The question isn't meant to be considered racist... I'm trying to gauge how far America is going.

As with virtually every candidate, his/her religion is (although a large part) is only part of the package. Does he/she possess integrity, is this person a Constitutionalist, is this person fiscally responisible, is this person conservative in what they say, mean and do. Does this person speak quietly but carries a big stick? Depending on the answers to these and I'm sure many other questions, they might get my vote. Of course, a lot of it depends on who and what they are running against.

I learned long ago, there is no such thing as a perfect candidate that I will be completely in agreement with so, a solid maybe.

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A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury.
So, what do ya think, are we there yet?

Seeing how the muslum masses live their lives, treating their women...NO!

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even though I live on the other side of the globe
My answer would be No, not a chance in hell

quote Originally posted by maryjane: Yes. I have never given serious weight to a candidate's religion when I voted--never will. Avowed atheist or devil worshipper? I'd have to think some on that one.

Id prefer an agnostic in office. No 'agenda' or 'bias'.

Is this like asking if we would vote for Sharia Law?

quote Originally posted by maryjane: Yes. I have never given serious weight to a candidate's religion when I voted--never will. Avowed atheist or devil worshipper? I'd have to think some on that one.

My, why how contradicting of you..

Yep, they are people just like you or I. A lot of people flat out disgust me when they talk down to people who are different. I think its a shame we as Americans cant look past a religion and see a person. I know there is going to be some redneck spout off something ignorant in 3...2...1.

If Obama is not a 'practicing' muslim, he at least favors them.

As for voting for an admitted muslim....NO. Why would anyone vote for a person whose beliefs are that all capitalists and non muslims should be killed. They preach that they are peace loving, but their actions every day contradict that.

quote Originally posted by 87antuzzi: Yep, they are people just like you or I. A lot of people flat out disgust me when they talk down to people who are different. I think its a shame we as Americans cant look past a religion and see a person. I know there is going to be some redneck spout off something ignorant in 3...2...1.

You do see the hypocrisy your post, right?

And i have to disagree, if a person follows a religion that clearly advocates the forcible violent eradication of non believers ( not just active conversion like most other traditional ones ) i dont feel they are 'just like you or i'.

Also, regardless of ones faith, for most people it is a large component of who they are, so you really cant separate a man from his religion in most cases.

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quote Originally posted by User00013170: You do see the hypocrisy your post, right? And i have to disagree, if a person follows a religion that clearly advocates the forcible violent eradication of non believers ( not just active conversion like most other traditional ones ) i dont feel they are 'just like you or i'. Also, regardless of ones faith, for most people it is a large component of who they are, so you really cant separate a man from his religion in most cases.

Huh, I have several Muslim friends and we have gotten into heated arguments about religion in the past. I still am breathing, he must not be a true Muslim. I've heard Christian kids curse at their parents and they were not put to death like Levitcus 20:9 suggests, they must not be true Christians. The Bible has plenty of violence to go around, so does the Quran.

I don't care what the candidate's race, creed, or sexual orientation is. If they share the same values and positions as I have, then I vote for them.

quote Originally posted by 87antuzzi: Yep, they are people just like you or I. A lot of people flat out disgust me when they talk down to people who are different. I think its a shame we as Americans cant look past a religion and see a person. I know there is going to be some redneck spout off something ignorant in 3...2...1.

Why does it gotta be the white guy? Always the white guy, LOL

My answer is "no"..mainly because this is post-literate America and I have decided to stop voting.

But if I did vote, it would still be "no".

quote Originally posted by 87antuzzi: I still am breathing, he must not be a true Muslim. .

Correct. If you are infidel, by order of their god you must be eradicated.

So im not sure what he is, but hes not Muslim. He may *think* he is, but if hes not following the law he is bound to obey, then hes not one.

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so long as I agree with their views, I do not care what religion they are.

quote Originally posted by 1985FieroGT: Knowing the way some people think of Obama (thinking he is a muslim, when he isn't) was the reason why I asked the question... I'm plainly trying to gauge whether or not someone would vote for a true muslim man for president. The question isn't meant to be considered racist... I'm trying to gauge how far America is going.

I see where you are going, so let me just offer this (because Americans think for some reason religions are the same) islam is theocratic, they want the Government to be run by the religious leaders. So ask yourself if THAT is what you want to vote for?

quote Originally posted by User00013170: Correct. If you are infidel, by order of their god you must be eradicated. So im not sure what he is, but hes not Muslim. He may *think* he is, but if hes not following the law he is bound to obey, then hes not one.

If we are using this logic then every Christian parent I have ever seen is not a Christian. You are trying to demonize Muslims by saying they follow what their holy book says and yet there is just as much violence in the Bible. It's not as easy to demonize a Christian because one did not fly an airplane into a building.

quote Originally posted by 87antuzzi: If we are using this logic then every Christian parent I have ever seen is not a Christian. You are trying to demonize Muslims by saying they follow what their holy book says and yet there is just as much violence in the Bible. It's not as easy to demonize a Christian because one did not fly an airplane into a building.

The original question was about Muslims, so my comments were directly related to the topic. But, if you want to expand the discussion, then yes, any person that does not follow their particular god's mandate to the letter are hypocrites, sinners and are not true to their religion and are ultimately a failure in it. You cant pick and choose what you like and dislike and call your self a 'xyz' follower.

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quote Originally posted by blackrams: As with virtually every candidate, his/her religion is (although a large part) is only part of the package. Does he/she possess integrity, is this person a Constitutionalist, is this person fiscally responisible, is this person conservative in what they say, mean and do. Does this person speak quietly but carries a big stick? Depending on the answers to these and I'm sure many other questions, they might get my vote. Of course, a lot of it depends on who and what they are running against. I learned long ago, there is no such thing as a perfect candidate that I will be completely in agreement with so, a solid maybe.

I totally agree with Blackrams on this. I could not have said it better myself.
I alway look for a true leader, someone with honesty, integrity, and a set of clearly defined principles and beliefs that they live their life by.
I also want my president to be cautious and thoughtful. I don't want, (and America doesn't need), someone who will shoot first and think later, (the cost of this behavior is much too high).

~ Bob ~

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quote Originally posted by User00013170: That's exactly why i would prefer an agnostic. No religious agenda in any direction, for or against.

I dont want to change the subject so I will just say that I disagree with you. You can quote the definition of what an agnostic is (or any other type of religius slant), but you can not guarantee that they will practice that definition. obama was used as an example in this thread, but did he represent Christ? Did Christ agree with gay marriage, killing babies or lying?

quote Originally posted by FieroBobo: I don't want, (and America doesn't need), someone who will shoot first and think later,

I do. I'm sick of all the pansys we have in office. All they ever do is have debates and treaties and discussions while our enemies laugh at us and continue on their path. We need actual action, at the time there is a problem. You get one warning from us, then we take action if you dont comply. And no, a 'resolution' is not action.

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Once again, spend some time in Dearborn, MI. Perhaps grow up near there. Then, when the "education" that you get is apparent, get back with your updated answer.

Muslims, by nature, want to erradicate all the infadels. Now, there are good Muslims, but not all. Just like there are good Christians, but not all.

But, hey, just my personal experiences. You should go with yours, and not mine.

quote Originally posted by Tony Kania: Once again, spend some time in Dearborn, MI. Perhaps grow up near there. Then, when the "education" that you get is apparent, get back with your updated answer. Muslims, by nature, want to erradicate all the infadels. Now, there are good Muslims, but not all. Just like there are good Christians, but not all. But, hey, just my personal experiences. You should go with yours, and not mine.

But that is 'hill billy racist talk' or something like that.

Depends on whom he or she is running against.

If the major weight of my decision had to be based on religion I would prefer to vote for an agnostic or an atheist but the country is still too primitive for that to happen anytime soon.

I would prefer someone without a religious agenda in office.

However, if it came down to it, I could. It would depend. Just like there are "Christians" who claim they follow Christ but really are just doing it for the public eye, there are also "Muslims" who follow certain aspects but disregard others.

If the candidate was a proponent of Sharia Law in our country, or other religious motivations, then no. That isn't because of the religion--it's because that idea would go completely against my view for the country. If the candidate was pretty much like Obama*, but a Muslim version, then yeah I could.

*Obama says he's a Christian, but it very much seems to me more just like a publicity item. Christianity is popular... it makes sense. But no, I don't think Obama is a Muslim. I just don't think he's involved with any religion.

P.S. I don't think this will happen for a long time. Nobody would come out and be open about being a Muslim. It would be political suicide.

quote Originally posted by Rickady88GT: Did Christ agree with gay marriage

Would he have even known about it back then? Jesus never said anything about homosexuals.. The bible said a little, which was not written by Jesus. So your assuming Jesus hated homosexuals, even though he himself never mentioned them.. But your bible did, so thats the same thing right?

Christian history is just as violent and bloody as the muslims, if not more so.. Only difference is the Christians lost power, so they don't get the joy of killing in the name of god anymore, and in thier part of the world at least, the muslims havent..

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quote Originally posted by 1985FieroGT: Would you ever vote for a practicing Muslim as President? Regardless of whatever you think of Obama, if someone who was a full muslim ran for whatever party you normally voted for, would you vote for him?

I would not mind, for any reason, voting for a Buddhist, Christian, Hindu, Jewish, or any of the other religions... even the obscure ones like Bahai...

BUT... there are two that I absolutely would refuse to vote for, and that's Jehova's Witnesses (sorry guys), and Islam. Both of those religions are, for whatever reason, radical. I simply cannot take the risk that my country will undergo a radical transformation as a result of a president's religion.


That's not to say that I don't and haven't in the past known several Muslims who don't radicalize, but I simply cannot take the risk. I know the history of Islam, just as I know the history of Christianity. Although the Crusades were a knee-jerk reaction to the slow and methodical succession of Islam throughout Europe (including Spain, etc)... I probably would feel the same way about Christianity if the question was asked of me 1000 years ago around 1095 AD.

Islam has not de-radicalized... it's whole construct for the spread of the religion is through the exploitation of the poor and the vulnerable. Everything from "The Nation" to "The Muslim Brotherhood" to all the Islamic constructs "al-this" and "al-that"... I simply cannot take the risk.


Todd

quote Originally posted by FieroBobo: I don't want, (and America doesn't need), someone who will shoot first and think later, (the cost of this behavior is much too high).

quote Originally posted by User00013170: I do. I'm sick of all the pansys we have in office. All they ever do is have debates and treaties and discussions while our enemies laugh at us and continue on their path. We need actual action, at the time there is a problem. You get one warning from us, then we take action if you dont comply. And no, a 'resolution' is not action.

I'm sorry but I cannot support your view on this subject.
I'm guessing that you never had a son or daughter come back from a conflict overseas in a body bag.

Most war veterans know that war is a terrible thing.
Most vet view war as the option of last resort. Something that should be avoided at all cost.

Wars are also expensive. The cost in lives lost, or shattered due to injuries and/or amputations is much too high.
The cost in dollars and cents is also very very high.
One of the reasons that our economy crashed is that America got itself into 2 wars and the cost of the wars war deferred until later instead of paying for it with higher taxes back then.

Diplomacy may be aggravating, frustrating and annoying, but if it saves the lives of America's men and women in uniform, I think its worth while.

~ Bob ~

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"Its nice to be important.
Its more important to be nice."

If he was the lesser of two evils, I would not hesitate. I'm not sure if it would be a deal breaker.

quote Originally posted by FieroBobo: I'm sorry but I cannot support your view on this subject. I'm guessing that you never had a son or daughter come back from a conflict overseas in a body bag. *snip* Diplomacy may be aggravating, frustrating and annoying, but if it saves the lives of America's men and women in uniform, I think its worth while. ~ Bob ~

i dont let my personal emotions rule my decisions. I only use logic.

Also, i feel just the opposite in that all the so called 'diplomacy' that we waste our time with costs more lives in the long run. The only diplomacy i support is at the far en of a barrel. ( and the only kind most of our enemies understand )