quote Originally posted by spark1: I don't understand the State stores either, I think it's a hold-over from prohibition. The only other State I lived in that had those was Kentucky. The stores are privately owned but under contract with the State. I'm not sure how that works but they seem to have some independence in hours of operation and closing/not closing for holidays.

Utah has them as well. I don't they will be selling reefer though.

quote Originally posted by Phaeton: ... long time no post.

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Holy smokes! (Seems like an appropriate expression for this thread.)

I honestly thought you were, umm...

Well, just read what I said in This thread.

Really nice to see you post again, and I mean that with the most heartfelt sincerity.

quote Originally posted by spark1: Marijuana use and possession is legal in Oregon.

No state can legally allow marijuana. It's illegal per Federal law and Federal trumps State. Alot of states allow it in their state but that doesn't mean it's legal. Just that one particular state or another won't arrest you for it.

quote Originally posted by Monkeyman: No state can legally allow marijuana. It's illegal per Federal law and Federal trumps State. Alot of states allow it in their state but that doesn't mean it's legal. Just that one particular state or another won't arrest you for it.

Correct. I remember in Cali after medical marijuana was passed, the feds came in and raided some of the dispensories. While the state may allow it, it's still against federal law.

quote Originally posted by Monkeyman: No state can legally allow marijuana. It's illegal per Federal law and Federal trumps State. Alot of states allow it in their state but that doesn't mean it's legal. Just that one particular state or another won't arrest you for it.

Well, there goes my plan for a mail order business.

quote Originally posted by WhiteDevil88: Utah has them as well. I don't they will be selling reefer though.

I'm not really sure how they work either. I do know all the ones in my area open and close at the same times. They are all closed on Sundays and closed on the same holidays. I beleive they have state run liqour stores out here because of the large LDS population and liquor being one of the things your not supposed to consume according to the Words of Wisdom. Up until a few years ago, in order to get alcohol at a nightclub, you had to be a member of the nightclub, meaning you had to sign up and get a membership card. Their rather strick on alcohol out here, although you can buy beer at a grocery store or conveinance store. However wine or winecoolers and such you have to go to the state run liquor store. Kind of sucks because selection is limited .

Edit: Oh yeah, I doubt they will be selling reefer anytime soon also. Heck just a couple of years ago they passed a law making it so the sales of Spice was illegal.

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quote Originally posted by spark1: 1. In one of our most densely populated counties, 70% of those entering the jail system tested positive for marijuana and report participating unsuccessfully in treatment programs. 2. Also, the Oregon Health Authority reports that underage marijuana use increases risks of alcohol abuse and cigarette smoking in our children. 3. Over half of those arrested for violent crimes in Oregon test positive for marijuana at the time of arrest. 4. Currently, nearly three out of four arrestees under the age of 21 test positive for marijuana.

It is called self medication. For a variety of reasons I was not very successful in my early years of school and spent the later years catching up. I think I used pot to deal with the shame and embarrassment of being behind the other students. Before Pot I had some problems with depression, later I figured out that I was going to be more successful if what brain power I do have was clear and stopped cold turkey.

If the prison population is dealing with pain, or low self esteem, it could be many of them are not just pleasure smokers. I would imagine that some know they have a proclivity to violence and are trying to lower it with pot.

quote Originally posted by FriendGregory: If the prison population is dealing with pain, or low self esteem, it could be many of them are not just pleasure smokers. I would imagine that some know they have a proclivity to violence and are trying to lower it with pot.

Or, you know, they just wanna get high. VERY few inmates are trying to lower their "proclivity to violence".

quote Originally posted by Monkeyman: Or, you know, they just wanna get high. VERY few inmates are trying to lower their "proclivity to violence".

So, is it your concern for society's well being, or for the well being of the Correctional Officer's union? I have a hard time believing that CO's can have a non biased opinion. I suppose my opinion is biased too, as I want legalization on a Federal level so I don't have to risk prison, and I would rather spend less money on a reliable and safe product.

quote Originally posted by WhiteDevil88: So, is it your concern for society's well being, or for the well being of the Correctional Officer's union? I have a hard time believing that CO's can have a non biased opinion. I suppose my opinion is biased too, as I want legalization on a Federal level so I don't have to risk prison, and I would rather spend less money on a reliable and safe product.

First, this has nothing to do with whether or not I think weed should be legalized. Second, we aren't unionized. Third, the reason I've been a c/o (for over 10 years) is exactly why my opinion on this matters. I've seen first hand and spoken directly with inmates who have been caught getting high. I know what they've done and their reasons why they say they did it. I've never heard one say it was to diminish their desire to punch someone in the face. (If it was, they would have used that as an excuse.) Finally, I do my job because of my "concern for society's well being". Believe me, I don't get paid that well and the working conditions aren't that great.

quote Originally posted by Monkeyman: First, this has nothing to do with whether or not I think weed should be legalized. Second, we aren't unionized. Third, the reason I've been a c/o (for over 10 years) is exactly why my opinion on this matters. I've seen first hand and spoken directly with inmates who have been caught getting high. I know what they've done and their reasons why they say they did it. I've never heard one say it was to diminish their desire to punch someone in the face. (If it was, they would have used that as an excuse.) Finally, I do my job because of my "concern for society's well being". Believe me, I don't get paid that well and the working conditions aren't that great.

I think being a correctional officer has colored your opinion to think that marijuana user= inmate. Being that every marijuana user that you apparently meet is an inmate. I meet lots of marijuana users who have never so much as talked to a policeman. I bet you meet a lot of right handed people in prison as well. Correlation does not equal causation my friend.

quote Originally posted by WhiteDevil88: I think being a correctional officer has colored your opinion to think that marijuana user= inmate. Being that every marijuana user that you apparently meet is an inmate. I meet lots of marijuana users who have never so much as talked to a policeman. I bet you meet a lot of right handed people in prison as well. Correlation does not equal causation my friend.

I never said anything about marijuana users being inmates. I've met a LOT of very nice smokers that have never seen the inside of a cell.

quote Originally posted by FriendGregory: If the prison population is dealing with pain, or low self esteem, it could be many of them are not just pleasure smokers. I would imagine that some know they have a proclivity to violence and are trying to lower it with pot.

I responded with:

quote Originally posted by Monkeyman: VERY few inmates are trying to lower their "proclivity to violence".

Again, I never said every marijuana user was an inmate or was even a "bad" person. We were talking about inmates and why they get high, not why the average, everyday smoker gets high. My profession has certainly "colored my opinion" but in a good way as I now have some insight as to why inmates do what they do (both in and out of prison/jail).

quote Originally posted by Monkeyman: Again, I never said every marijuana user was an inmate or was even a "bad" person. We were talking about inmates and why they get high, not why the average, everyday smoker gets high. My profession has certainly "colored my opinion" but in a good way as I now have some insight as to why inmates do what they do (both in and out of prison/jail).

Actually, we were talking amongst ourselves about our personal usage. People like you who have an agenda have taken this thread way off base. I have responded to you out of politeness, but you are way off topic. If you want to start a thread about your experiences with inmates, I am sure it will be a popular one. However those experiences do not belong here.

You can't win in his twisted little world Monkeyman! If you don't say exactly what he wants to here, you are WRONG and that's that!

Kevin

quote Originally posted by Lambo nut: You can't win in his twisted little world Monkeyman! If you don't say exactly what he wants to here, you are WRONG and that's that! Kevin

Definitive trolling. I never said that Dave's input was wrong, it's just misplaced. It doesn't belong in this thread, and neither does your trolling.

quote Originally posted by WhiteDevil88: Did you have an on topic comment?

I responded to a post. Personally, I couldn't care less what you or anyone else does. Have fun with your thread.

quote Originally posted by Monkeyman: I responded to a post. Personally, I couldn't care less what you or anyone else does. Have fun with your thread.

Don't be mad. I think your experiences would make an interesting thread. On its own.

quote Originally posted by WhiteDevil88: Don't be mad. I think your experiences would make an interesting thread. On its own.

Since when are you the topic police on this board? How many times have you derailed topics with your "input"? You're a hypocrite, and I see your ratings are still getting more into the red. Keep up the good work.

quote Originally posted by mptighe: Since when are you the topic police on this board? How many times have you derailed topics with your "input"? You're a hypocrite, and I see your ratings are still getting more into the red. Keep up the good work.

This is getting tiresome. Dave can post wherever he wants. I think his, and Rick's input deserve their own thread. Your trolling, on the other hand, does not.

Wow! fierofetish banned? Now who I'm going to call if I'm in Spain now?

quote Originally posted by madcurl: Wow! fierofetish banned? Now who I'm going to call if I'm in Spain now?

You can still call him. Being banned doesn't mean you are non existant.

quote Originally posted by WhiteDevil88: You can still call him. Being banned doesn't mean you are non existant.

quote Originally posted by WhiteDevil88: Did you have an on topic comment?

quote Originally posted by madcurl: Wow! fierofetish banned? Now who I'm going to call if I'm in Spain now?

I get a lot out of both their posts whether they agree with each other or not. (when they are not bashing each other). Are all bans permanent? They really do need to stay out of each others threads.

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quote Originally posted by WhiteDevil88: This is getting tiresome. Dave can post wherever he wants. I think his, and Rick's input deserve their own thread. Your trolling, on the other hand, does not.

I'm commenting on an ongoing conversation here in this thread. Sorry sport but you don't get to dictate what people do and don't comment on here, whether it's your thread or not. You don't like it, call Cliff back and see if he'll ban me now. The subject of fierofetish is a part of this thread now. so I would say anyone commenting about something that happened in this very thread isn't really trolling. If it's so tiresome, feel free not to post. If other people have to endure you and your antics then I guess that means you have to endure ours.

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quote Originally posted by mptighe: I'm commenting on an ongoing conversation here in this thread. Sorry sport but you don't get to dictate what people do and don't comment on here, whether it's your thread or not. You don't like it, call Cliff back and see if he'll ban me now. The subject of fierofetish is a part of this thread now. so I would say anyone commenting about something that happened in this very thread isn't really trolling. If it's so tiresome, feel free not to post. If other people have to endure you and your antics then I guess that means you have to endure ours.

As long as you get to feel important. Feel important yet?

quote Originally posted by WhiteDevil88: As long as you get to feel important. Feel important yet?

I don't post here to feel important. I post here to interact. Would conversing with you make anyone feel especially important? I doubt it. I've watched your behavior for some time now, and while I find your general attitude inappropriate and sometimes appalling, I usually don't take exception to what you do. When you deliberatley try to get other people banned for behavior you frequently display yourself, then I feel like speaking out. There's no major benefit to me, other than wanting to assist fairness on the boards by helping to call attention to your atrocious manner here on the forum. Hopefully your behavior will be it's own undoing soon enough.

quote Originally posted by mptighe: I don't post here to feel important. I post here to interact. Would conversing with you make anyone feel especially important? I doubt it. I've watched your behavior for some time now, and while I find your general attitude inappropriate and sometimes appalling, I usually don't take exception to what you do. When you deliberatley try to get other people banned for behavior you frequently display yourself, then I feel like speaking out. There's no major benefit to me, other than wanting to assist fairness on the boards by helping to call attention to your atrocious manner here on the forum. Hopefully your behavior will be it's own undoing soon enough.

Apparently you feel important enough to judge me. Do you know me? Have we met? Have we ever had a discussion before? In what way did I "deliberatley(sic) try to get someone else banned"? There is no way in the world one person can control another persons behavior. Nick has a history with Cliff that I won't go into, but I can assure you that I didn't need to talk him into banning Nick. In fact, I feel a ban is a bit excessive, but Nick wanted to have a reason not to post here. I can document that in his Private Messages and in his posts, it isn't opinion, it is fact. Cliff gave us both a week time out to chill a while ago, and I stayed away from Nicks threads, or even posting in threads that he had posted in.

Instead of posting in other peoples threads, I spent time finding stuff to post. Check the search out for threads I started, no matter how nice I was being, someone would quickly come to troll. Just like this thread, I don't want to engage in discussion with someone who feels that they are my adversary. If you want to discuss what a horrible person I am with me, we can carry on in Private Messages and spare the rest of the forum of this stupidity. If you do insist on carrying on making an adversarial relationship instead of on topic discussion, well, that never seems to work out well.

Ask Nick.

Stimpy how come you know nicks history with Cliff, please post it? Because I didn’t know you were privy to Nick and Cliffs PMs.

Steve

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quote Originally posted by 84fiero123: Stimpy how come you know nicks history with Cliff, please post it? Because I didn’t know you were privy to Nick and Cliffs PMs. Steve

PMs? What are you talking about? Nick disrespected Cliff quite often in the open forum. Why don't you put this on Cliff, who actually did the banning?

quote Originally posted by 84fiero123: Stimpy how come you know nicks history with Cliff, please post it? Because I didn’t know you were privy to Nick and Cliffs PMs. Steve

This post was history enough.

quote Originally posted by fierofetish: And so too do I. I have asked Cliff to block me, and delete my membership. I have a terrible dilemma in front of me; I have a fight on behalf of Ellie to carry out, and I don't want any distractions. I am pretty strong, but I find it too hard to stop my 'addiction' here. I hope he honours my request. I bear no grudge against ANY person here, and want to make that clear. Give it 2 weeks, and fierofetish will be off the bottom of the page, and forgotten. And I don't resent that either. Life goes on, and people get forgotten. That is fine by me. I'm nowhere NEAR of any importance for an exception to be made in THIS case, and don't want, or expect it

from Nick's farewell thread - https://www.fiero.nl/forum/F...8/HTML/000151-2.html

And he meant PM between himself and Nick, I don't see how anyone without a prejudice for misinterpreting WD88's statements would have come to the conclusion that he had access to Cliff's PM when he posted:

quote Originally posted by WhiteDevil88: In fact, I feel a ban is a bit excessive, but Nick wanted to have a reason not to post here. I can document that in his Private Messages and in his posts, it isn't opinion, it is fact.

At least to me, it seems obvious that Nick had PM'd Jeff about his reasons for wanting to leave the forum.

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Still finishing this average batch of blue dream.

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On topic-- I'm broke as a joke, two trips to Oklahoma have put a hurt on the funds, so I'm down to scraping the pipe for residue.

So Happy Halloween everyone! New pipe today, and the harvest is coming in. New strains coming in November.

quote Originally posted by WhiteDevil88: So Happy Halloween everyone!

You too! I'll contribute with a picture I took for a photo contest on another forum I frequent:



Yeah, I bedazzled my bubbler. While enjoying some Octoberfest and candy.Click to show

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quote Originally posted by WhiteDevil88: I suppose my opinion is biased too, as I want legalization on a Federal level so I don't have to risk prison, and I would rather spend less money on a reliable and safe product.

So you only want medical use legalized then.

If we are going to put people in jail for grass and ruin their chances of getting ahead because they now have a criminal record, then we need to do the same thing with alcohol and tobacco which are much, much worse. Alcohol prohibition did not work. I don't see any difference. Prohibition cost our society immensely and so does grass prohibition. It didn't tak very long for prohibition to be overturned. How come it is taking so long to overturn pot prohibition? It is not anywhere near as dangerous as alcohol and tobacco. Alcohol and tobacco are regulated and pot should be too. Regulated, not criminalized.

quote Originally posted by 2.5: So you only want medical use legalized then.

Are you asking me or telling me?

quote Originally posted by WhiteDevil88: Are you asking me or telling me?

Could have put a question mark there I guess. Just wondering since logic denotes it.

quote Originally posted by 2.5: Could have put a question mark there I guess. Just wondering since logic denotes it.

You could have, I would have asked the same question. What is "it" that logic denotes? Are you inferring, perhaps, that logic would dictate that your statement was a question? In that case, are you asking me if I support medical marijuana to the exclusion of supporting legalization and regulation for personal recreational cultivation and use? I would have to say no. I do support, philosophically, the concept that all adults should be allowed to pursue happiness, and the concept that the prohibition of substances has been a huge failure and a heavy economic and social burden, and the concept that regulating and taxing cannabis is worth exploring in a present that includes such economic and social decay.

Does that answer your question/statement?