You are so in favor of pot that I dont think evidence of rampant abuse would convince you to change anything. Let me ask you this,are you in favor of legalizing it outright?
Rick, I have had a front row seat to see how pharmaceutical drugs can harm a person. I've seen people ruin their lives on coke, meth, and heroin. However cannibis is incredibly benign. So I don't see how you define abuse? If someone drinks a case of beer, is that abuse? Are we going to take that choice away again? It didn't work well last time. What should I want to change? I believe that change is what I am advocating, stasis is what you are pushing.
And yes, I am strongly in favor of legalizing marijuana completely for adult use.
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Rickady88GT Member
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Rick, I have had a front row seat to see how pharmaceutical drugs can harm a person. I've seen people ruin their lives on coke, meth, and heroin.And yes, I am strongly in favor of legalizing marijuana completely for adult use.
They should have listened to people like me that tell them to stay away from the dope. They crap in their own plate, they should not demand to eat off mine.
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Rickady88GT Member
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However cannibis is incredibly benign. So I don't see how you define abuse?
Is it benign? I dont know, I have no judgment on that. If it were legal today I would not loose sleep over it, But I would forever fight its legality. You just dont see it from my side of the glass. Abuse is steeling from others to support the habit. That is HUGE in dope of all kinds NOT just the dope that is "harmfull" Millions of $$$$ are stolen from people to buy pot. FACT.
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If someone drinks a case of beer, is that abuse? Are we going to take that choice away again? It didn't work well last time.
That is not the fight I want, but it may or may not need to happen? Either way it is to late to fight it now.
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What should I want to change? I believe that change is what I am advocating, stasis is what you are pushing.
I am advicating NO to the drugs that cause people to hurt others. Dope does that. I will NEVER acept legal pot. To many peoples to get hurt from more mind altering crap that people will steel for to support. "beer" is more than we need to satisfy that "need".
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And yes, I am strongly in favor of legalizing marijuana completely for adult use.
So much for the MM crowd against it? You only proved my point. The "MM" crowd IS the legal dope crowd.
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I don't know everyone who spearheaded the MM Movement, but I can tell you that it is the MM community that fought the Movement to legalize. They are just as motivated as the street dealer to keep recreational use illegal and profitable. When Cannibis becomes legal, the medical marijuana market will just become the marijuana marketplace
I cant say it enough,...I dont doubt that there is some "medical" use for it. I am not a doctor, BUT I have VERRRRY strong doubt that the majority of uses are legit. Funny how the State can perscribe some of the strongest meds on Earth to "clients" but has yet to write one perscription for dope?
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I'm going to ask (politely) that you back that statement up.
I am going to (politely) refrain from questions that are so ....uniformed. I will comment on it thou, I have talked at great length to many people that are drug adicts about the life they had and why, how they got there and how they support the habit. They are not all the same, but a common thread between them is pot. No matter how deadly the crap they got strung out on, pot was at the beginning of most of them. Some had money to buy drugs but most did not. Theft for dope was a higher priority than theft for food. Pot is "cheap" and easy to get (thanks to medical pot laws in CA) but most are now going to meth. I dont know about you, but steeling a hammer from me to buy pot to to much. I could give a person food but I wont give them dope or money they can buy dope with.
For the most part, people have fallen into the lie that pot is harmless. You dont need to be a doctor to see what a person will do to get a fix and see that it harms others. Is it harmfull? Each person needs to answere that them selfs, as for me I think if a person wants to kill themself that is on them leave me out of it but I do not condone it. If a person wants to kill themself with my gun then they will have to pull it out of my dead hands (metaphor) = dont steel from me to get high. Bottom line is, a person can say and do what they want till it affects others in a bad way. I believe that pot is going to cause people to steel/hurt others to pay for a high. It already happens and can only get worse.
So many see pot as just a harmless toy, till they have to sell grandmas teeth for the next fix. Pot does not exactly have a reputation to motivate or enerjize people to get a great job or work hard. To those that have the money to get high on pot, burn it if it makes you happy. I will never suport the lifestyle. To those that have a medical need for it, I hope and pray for a cure for you. I will never get between a Vet with PTSD and the conection to reality that works for them. Or a person that has cancer and wont eat till they get a pot munchie. To those that say they have a medical need for it but really dont,..shame on them (polite)
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I do not think this thread was meant to be a debate for or against pot. Maybe I should have just stayed out? I did try to pull out once so it could stay on track, but this time I will just stay out of this thread and let it go up in smoke,..or whatever?
I dont have a gift like Jeff for saying clearly what I want to say. Drugs are a VERRRY hot topic with me and I tend to pop off in a strong defense of a sober America. Dont forget the drug wars in Mexico are for our (drug) money .
It's all good. That's your perspective from your personal experiences.
In all my encounters with the 'drug' culture, I have never met another marijuana ONLY user that has ever felt the need to steal money or material items to purchase marijuana. So your figure in the millions seemed extravagant to me.
I can understand though if it's such a hot topic for you that you tend to have trouble expressing your ideas.
I'm going to ask (politely) that you back that statement up.
Purely from a UK point of view, because I am very familiar with that region :
It has been estimated( no I don't have a 'link', so it could be classed as 'hearsay' if one chooses to attack that estimate ) that up to 55% of Social Security payments, particularly in inner city areas, goes on drugs, cigarettes and alcohol. Now some might say that isn't theft; but it sure is fraudulent use of Government-disbursed financial help which is designated to go towards helping people and their families to survive in times of financial difficulties. My life-long friend in the UK has worked as a probation Officer in London for 35 years. He has in-depth experience of dealing with the people who are dependent upon SS and UB. It isn't hard for him to make that correlation, because he visits these people in their homes. No food on the table, no clean clothes, no responsibility for children. Yet they always have money, one way or another, to indulge in their preferred habit. WHEN they are not in prison for their STEALING habit. People with a state income of 150 pounds CASH, per week, seem to manage to find enough money to sustain a a 250 pound PLUS per week 'luxury'. However, there is also evidence that there are two types of users of marijuana, and each has vastly-differing effects on those two types and their lifestyles. There are many professional people, who use Marijuana in a 'sensible' way, if you can put it that way, and BECAUSE they are educated, and have responsible positions in life they need to maintain, that that responsibility is evidenced in their usage. It is typically the poor and miserable in life who resort to trying to completely blot out their misery by over-indulgence, and therefore over-expenditure, which leads to the stealing aspect.
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I am one who has been victimized by drug addicts stealing from me more than anyone here. They used to steal from my remote property that I could not defend. I lost $2500 a week from them until I was finally burnt out. Although I never caught them I do know that they tripped my alarms regularly at two o'clock in the morning. I'm pretty sure that they were meth addicts. Meth is as bad a drug as I know of. It is extremely addictive and alters the users morals. I quit pot once for six months after years of use. It was effortless. Tobacco, I quit in 1975 after 20 years and many times of trying to quit without ever making it past ten o'clock in the morning. I was scared to death that I would never be able to quit tobacco and I know many people who are completely unable to quit even though it is killing them. I don't think that pot users are any more inclined to steal than any other group. Many meth users will do anything that they have to in order to get their drug.
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Drugs are a VERRRY hot topic with me and I tend to pop off in a strong defense of a sober America.
Think back, to the prohibition days, alcohol was illegal and that worked so well they repealed it.
So what is a sober American? Someone who doesn’t do drugs? Well I am willing to bet you a buck that you drink alcohol at times or am I wrong?
Who is to say what is a drug? You, me, Boonie, WD? There are so many things that can be and are considered drugs it would be hard for anyone to avoid ALL drugs. We are a drug oriented society. Got a headache, take a pill, Can’t wakeup drink a coffee, Need to relax drink responsibly,
You said you can’t say something’s because you have never done drugs, I tend to disagree, you just Don’t think what you do are drugs.
But then those are legal right? So those are OK. Who is making the laws just classified marihuana as illegal? Our so called representatives and they vote for whatever special interest group gives them the most money.
Not to mention the pharmaceutical lobby is one of the biggest in the country.
So still think you have never done drug?
Steve
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Further, Im sure many of us have seen animals eating rotten, fermented fruits. Apples, some might ask why they would do so. Starvation? No, they get drunk from eating it. Should we police this as well? Is it a new phenomina?
Even further, why is it the dang small woodland creatures keep eating my plants? Because they are drug addicts? Lol. Get him theres that junky buck!
Incarcerate Bullwinkle!
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I see you are posting in WD88's threads. Perhaps I wasn't clear enough when I said you should ignore each other's posts. It also means I don't want you two to post in each other's threads. We all know how that's going to end.
You don't post in WD88's threads, and WD88 doesn't post in your threads. Yes, that's pretty stupid and childish. But unfortunately, it appears that's the only way I can get you two to cut the crap.
I replied to holley. Please explain where I posted 'crap'? You can't, can you? So..you won't explain,but you'll ban me?? Fine. How childish. Support Jeff if that is how you want it. But don't be a hypocrite in doing so.
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----- Original Message ----- You think I am " upset" by you? Don't flatter yourself. I only believe that you caused this situation by whining to cliff every time I defended myself against your trollery. So this is your bed, you made it, you sleep in it. You are not worthy of discussion. You do not get to participate in discussions with me. I am only dismayed that Cliff can't keep his word to ban you.
----- Original Message ----- No Jeff...it is HONEST. Why not give me some answers which will convince me otherwise? You see, I don't make up things to throw at you. You provide enough evidence yourself. Of course, your rhetorical reply will be 'you aren't worth the effort to try to convince, so why should I bother'? But..if that is so...why do you even bother to communicate with me? You see, you don't own the right to 'say it as I see it', which, I hqave been told by several people you have met..and those were your exact words to them. I believe them...because you provide the evidence all the time. Bt if somebody else has the temerity to behave in the same way about YOU, or your 'habit', or whatever you wish to call it, you throw a tantrum. You see, when people get so upset at other peoples' opinions, it is USUALLY because they are being forced to see the reality they so ardently choose to ignore. You aren't arguing with me Jeff. You are arguing with your SELF. If you WEREN'T...it simply wouldn't bother you. You behave like a recalcitrant 14 year old, because that is your escape from yourself. You know, the guy who told me your ankle is 'pretty f*cked up' (his words, not mine), added another few words too, which I chose not to repeat when I told you about their communication with me. The rest of the sentence went ' and he plays on it like a violin'. I am very sorry you choose to refuse to try to help yourself, other than chugging drugs down your lungs, or stomach, or whatever else you do. It is a sad and terrible waste of an obvious intellect, IMHO. Your only way to defend yourself is to attack, rather than clarify, or justify. That is your choice, I know. But you never try to provide evidence at all, just bluster and insult. Perhaps your reply will be a little more unbending?
----- Original Message ----- Yeah, that's civil. ----- Original Message ----- And as an afterthought, barely: who gives you money to fund your habit? Why should others have to pay for your clumsiness? Perhaps not a fraud, but you certainly took advantage , which is, of course, your legal rIGHT. Ethics hardly ever enter your dictionary, OR your life. 'Poncing' means being funded by somebody else,without trying to fund yourself. You don't work, apparently. Your wife must therefore pay for your keep. Along with whatever other payments you receive to 'support' you. Hardly an exemplary way of life now, is it?. You want Johnson elected purely and simply because you want Marijuana etc made legal. Not having a job, you are obviously considering the Presidential candidate who will best make your life 'easier'. The one who wants to legalise marijuana etc. I fail to see any other reason for your choice. Tell me...what is the difference between an uncontrollable HABIT, and an addiction? Try not to make me laugh...I am still missing my dog. ----- Original Message ----- So after repeatedly saying that I am a drug addict, an insurance fraud, and that I "ponce" off my wife, whatever that means, it is up to ME to see that we can converse civilly? You really are delusional. ----- Original Message -----
----- Original Message ----- Hope that comment was important enough for you to get banned over. I guess you want to see if cliff is serious... The comment was a reply to Holley. If you chose to read it, fair enough. THAT is your choice. Cliff didn't say we cannot comment in each others' threads. He said not to directly address each other in a provocative manner, which I didn't. If you feel I was wrong, then go ahead and tell Cliff. I had hoped that, should you read it, you would understand that I consider YOU to be one of the more intelligent, and educated people of the two types I mentioned. Perhaps you didn't understand that. I hope you are spared the grief we have recently encountered with the death of Chevy, regarding Rascal. No matter WHAT you might think of me, I respect, and sympathise with ANYBODY who loves their dogs, and cares deeply for them. Sadly, I felt I shouldn't make a reply there, because it would be directed at you. Even though it would have been sympathetic towards you and Rascal. I wish that we could converse civilly in future. That will be up to you. Best wishes Nick In before Ban
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WhiteDevil88 Member
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Cliff, I appreciate your input on this situation. I was under the impression that participating in each others threads would result in an immediate and irreversible ban. I trust that this is something that you are currently implementing and that I should be able to converse freely with all members of the forum by removing the troublemaker.
Thank you in advance for your prompt remedy of this situation.
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WhiteDevil88 Member
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Yeah you will. You have a disease. Admitting it is the first step to resolving your problem.
As far as the vocab lesson, I only hit the thesaurus for "recromentitious", but you have to admit that is a pretty awesome word.
Sweet dreams, daddy can't touch you anymore. ----- Original Message -----
" If we are having a vocabulary contest, I can do that. I will even spell the words correctly and use them in the correct context. " Hahahah!! Look below Professor....
You have no insight into my psyche. You perceive with your mind that you know my reality, when in fact it is entirely your projection. You are trapped in your childhood with your memories of sexual and physical abuse, and you have some need to lash out at someone else. The anonymity of the Internet allows you some degree of insulation from the inevitable blowback, so you project your diseased view of the world onto the largest target you can find. Your conceit of my lifestyle has no basis then a few bits of gossip gleaned in Private Messages. I don't post my life on the Internet anywhere proximal to your recromentitious repetition regarding the nauseating minutiae of your life. So, as you labor under the misconception that I am the mean bully who sodomized young Nicky, that person is not me. Get some help."
You swallowed a dictionary...and forgot to digest it Really...it took you HOURS to look up those pretentious long words, and then send me them You are hilarious in your pomposity!!! You are once again projecting your horrible little life onto me...and then saying it IS me!! You are, as they say.... ' Alfie'. Go look it up...the full title...and then go away. I shan't grant you the satisfaction of blocking your PM's...that would be too easy. But I shall not reply to any further communications of your warped brain Goodnight.
----- Original Message ----- Proof is YOU. Amongst hundreds of thousands of others. Your downward spiral is only salvageable by yourself. I have seen it over and over and over again. I have tried to show the same people the truth. NOT ONE recognised it...or at least admitted to it. Some lived to quit, and be thankful I cared. Others disappeared into the yawning chasm they were slowly being lowered down, into oblivion. Trying to cling onto the rough and scaly sides was fruitless...and they ignored the rope being offered to save them. Plough on, Jeff...plough on. And now forgive me, for I have more pressing things to do.Your juvenile use of obscenities are failing abysmally in impressing me .
----- Original Message ----- Proved time and again to suffer acute paranoia. Proof? What am I addicted to? I love it when people who don't know what the **** they are talking about make concrete statements like that. ----- Original Message ----- Jeff, if I REALLY thought it was important to you to understand how I KNOW, I would explain. However, I know you are just passing the boring time of day trying to bother me.Honestly, Jeff...I couldn't care less about you and your peculiar behaviour. I will eave with this comment though...dope smokers have been proved time and time again to suffer acute paranoia. Take a long hard look in the mirror one day...and ask yourself the question...'could I do BETTER than wasting my life away?' Now, as I have said earlier..You have succeeded in achieving your lifelong ambition to get me off PFF. I have decided to not disappoint you...enjoy your doubtful 'supremacy' over me. ----- Original Message ----- So what am I addicted to? You know better then the doctors apparently. ----- Original Message ----- Of course you don't. Just like all addicts. I quit nicotine 7 months ago, and next I am going to quit the other addiction, which is using PFF as a crutch during the 8 monthsI live in isolation from PEOPLE. You are addicted. You are using every excuse in the book to deny it. Carry on. ----- Original Message ----- Again, no idea what the **** you are talking about. Are you trying to say that I am some alcoholic junkie? From the guy who can't quit nicotine? So I'm "addicted" to what? Cymbalta? Glucophage? Voltaren Gel? Sure, with a chronic condition, I am going to have to take medications for the foreseeable future. I have kicked the opioid narcotics, I can only assume that your judgemental mind that prescription medication is safer and non habit forming, despite people dying from overdose every day including my brother, then cannibis, which is non-addictive. (Big difference between habit forming and addictive, nicotine is addictive, THC is not. I experience no withdrawal symptoms whatsoever.). The only downside is judgemental assholes like you and Kania who like to call me a drug addict. ----- Original Message ----- Jeff. I know you woin't believe me, but I'll say it anyway. I have spent the last 47 years of my life in a vocation which has brought me into close contact with people who use drugs, and alcohol. It is the nature of the Industry, unfortunately. I have seen close friends destroying themselves with their addictions. And most telling of all, is their total denial that they ARE damaging themselves by that addiction. Many have died. Many have hit rock bottom, and stayed there. A VERY few managed to come to their senses, and make a recovery. But they all admit they are still addicts, but have the willpower to stay away from their addictions, and live life to the full. I receieved a message from somebody in California recently, and they were the FIRST PERSON to ever confirm that your ankle is indeed in a bad way. Strange that...it was totally unrequited, and it came from somebody whom, I believe, is no friend of yours...so I guess that makes it totally believable. The pain you have suffered as a result of your fall has been terrible, and believe me, I would never wish that upon anybody, and especially you. I meant what I said..I always do: I am sorry to have cast doubt upon the truth of your injury, and I was wrong. I guess I can understand your refusal to accept my apology, and that is fine by me. I deserve that, and will have to live with it. As to what I meant about being extatic soon? I had hoped that Cliff would facliltate me in quitting MY addiction: posting and reading PFF. He has refused, again, and so I will have to break that addiction on my own. Perhaps you would be kind enough to wish ME luck, in so doing, as I wish YOU luck in overcoming your disability, and your pain. Sincerely, be well, and enjoy your continued presence on PFF. ----- Original Message ----- Yeah, I don't know what the **** you are talking about. But congratulations on whatever. ----- Original Message ----- Won't be long before I am ecstatically thrilled. You too Jeff. Enjoy your notoriety . I shall be spared it VERY soon ----- Original Message ----- Happy? ----- Original Message ----- Is that what you think we are doing? Trying to impress each other? Hate to say, you failed that long ago. If we are having a vocabulary contest, I can do that. I will even spell the words correctly and use them in the correct context.
You have no insight into my psyche. You perceive with your mind that you know my reality, when in fact it is entirely your projection. You are trapped in your childhood with your memories of sexual and physical abuse, and you have some need to lash out at someone else. The anonymity of the Internet allows you some degree of insulation from the inevitable blowback, so you project your diseased view of the world onto the largest target you can find. Your conceit of my lifestyle has no basis then a few bits of gossip gleaned in Private Messages. I don't post my life on the Internet anywhere proximal to your recromentitious repetition regarding the nauseating minutiae of your life. So, as you labor under the misconception that I am the mean bully who sodomized young Nicky, that person is not me. Get some help.
----- Original Message ----- Proof is YOU. Amongst hundreds of thousands of others. Your downward spiral is only salvageable by yourself. I have seen it over and over and over again. I have tried to show the same people the truth. NOT ONE recognised it...or at least admitted to it. Some lived to quit, and be thankful I cared. Others disappeared into the yawning chasm they were slowly being lowered down, into oblivion. Trying to cling onto the rough and scaly sides was fruitless...and they ignored the rope being offered to save them. Plough on, Jeff...plough on. And now forgive me, for I have more pressing things to do.Your juvenile use of obscenities are failing abysmally in impressing me .
----- Original Message ----- Proved time and again to suffer acute paranoia. Proof? What am I addicted to? I love it when people who don't know what the **** they are talking about make concrete statements like that. ----- Original Message ----- Jeff, if I REALLY thought it was important to you to understand how I KNOW, I would explain. However, I know you are just passing the boring time of day trying to bother me.Honestly, Jeff...I couldn't care less about you and your peculiar behaviour. I will eave with this comment though...dope smokers have been proved time and time again to suffer acute paranoia. Take a long hard look in the mirror one day...and ask yourself the question...'could I do BETTER than wasting my life away?' Now, as I have said earlier..You have succeeded in achieving your lifelong ambition to get me off PFF. I have decided to not disappoint you...enjoy your doubtful 'supremacy' over me. ----- Original Message ----- So what am I addicted to? You know better then the doctors apparently. ----- Original Message ----- Of course you don't. Just like all addicts. I quit nicotine 7 months ago, and next I am going to quit the other addiction, which is using PFF as a crutch during the 8 monthsI live in isolation from PEOPLE. You are addicted. You are using every excuse in the book to deny it. Carry on. ----- Original Message ----- Again, no idea what the **** you are talking about. Are you trying to say that I am some alcoholic junkie? From the guy who can't quit nicotine? So I'm "addicted" to what? Cymbalta? Glucophage? Voltaren Gel? Sure, with a chronic condition, I am going to have to take medications for the foreseeable future. I have kicked the opioid narcotics, I can only assume that your judgemental mind that prescription medication is safer and non habit forming, despite people dying from overdose every day including my brother, then cannibis, which is non-addictive. (Big difference between habit forming and addictive, nicotine is addictive, THC is not. I experience no withdrawal symptoms whatsoever.). The only downside is judgemental assholes like you and Kania who like to call me a drug addict. ----- Original Message ----- Jeff. I know you woin't believe me, but I'll say it anyway. I have spent the last 47 years of my life in a vocation which has brought me into close contact with people who use drugs, and alcohol. It is the nature of the Industry, unfortunately. I have seen close friends destroying themselves with their addictions. And most telling of all, is their total denial that they ARE damaging themselves by that addiction. Many have died. Many have hit rock bottom, and stayed there. A VERY few managed to come to their senses, and make a recovery. But they all admit they are still addicts, but have the willpower to stay away from their addictions, and live life to the full. I receieved a message from somebody in California recently, and they were the FIRST PERSON to ever confirm that your ankle is indeed in a bad way. Strange that...it was totally unrequited, and it came from somebody whom, I believe, is no friend of yours...so I guess that makes it totally believable. The pain you have suffered as a result of your fall has been terrible, and believe me, I would never wish that upon anybody, and especially you. I meant what I said..I always do: I am sorry to have cast doubt upon the truth of your injury, and I was wrong. I guess I can understand your refusal to accept my apology, and that is fine by me. I deserve that, and will have to live with it. As to what I meant about being extatic soon? I had hoped that Cliff would facliltate me in quitting MY addiction: posting and reading PFF. He has refused, again, and so I will have to break that addiction on my own. Perhaps you would be kind enough to wish ME luck, in so doing, as I wish YOU luck in overcoming your disability, and your pain. Sincerely, be well, and enjoy your continued presence on PFF. ----- Original Message ----- Yeah, I don't know what the **** you are talking about. But congratulations on whatever. ----- Original Message ----- Won't be long before I am ecstatically thrilled. You too Jeff. Enjoy your notoriety . I shall be spared it VERY soon ----- Original Message ----- Happy? All times are ET (US)
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Funny how things work out around here. A guy liked by many on the forum and has a mostly green bar is banned while a guy that has a mostly red bar, liked by few, and still continues to act like a nine year old is still around. Go figure!???
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WhiteDevil88 Member
Posts: 8518 From: Coastal California Registered: Mar 2007
Funny how things work out around here. A guy liked by many on the forum and has a mostly green bar is banned while a guy that has a mostly red bad, liked by few, and still continues to act like a nine year old is still around. Go figure!???
Kevin
Did you have an on topic comment?
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Lambo nut Member
Posts: 4442 From: Centralia,Missouri. USA Registered: Sep 2003
Funny how things work out around here. A guy liked by many on the forum and has a mostly green bar is banned while a guy that has a mostly red bad, liked by few, and still continues to act like a nine year old is still around. Go figure!???
Kevin
That's exactly what I was thinking!!!! EDIT: If you want to keep in touch just PM me and I will ask Nick if he wants to give out his Skype.
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84fiero123 Member
Posts: 29950 From: farmington, maine usa Registered: Oct 2004
Funny how things work out around here. A guy liked by many on the forum and has a mostly green bar is banned while a guy that has a mostly red bar, liked by few, and still continues to act like a nine year old is still around. Go figure!???
Kevin
now now Cliff was that really necessary? steve
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Originally posted by Cliff Pennock: But, since the two of you obviously can't stand each other I'm going to make you a deal. From now on, You are going to ignore each other's posts. If you still have something to say to the other, you are going to do that through PM.
If you feel I'm treating you like a little kid now (and trust me, I am), and choose to ignore me and keep slinging insults at each other (and I will be the one determining if you did, so no need to try to come up with something clever so you can still insult each other without actually directing your comments to each other), an immediate ban will follow. No, seriously.
I like Nick, but why push the single moderator of our beloved Fiero forum?
edit: On topic, some average blue dream.
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84fiero123 Member
Posts: 29950 From: farmington, maine usa Registered: Oct 2004
I like Nick, but why push the single moderator of our beloved Fiero forum?
edit: On topic, some average blue dream.
But he did ignore WDs post he did answer someone else’s post. Now as far as being ON Topic, Others posted their displeasure about drugs as well, and that is nowhere near ON Topic. Or even to WD, just saying.
So how many names has WD had over the years? How many threads has he personally been responsible for sending them into the trashcan? Now while I agree it is Cliffs playground but hey, wake up, the 2 idiots hate each other. Hey I hate WD, but what can ya do, this place is like family to me, only better, I’m not related to any of you and can turn you all off with the click of a mouse. I will admit I like Nick, he almost always has something intelligent to add to anything he posts on, weather I agree with it or not.
While WD very rarely has anything good to add to any thread, sometimes even his own.
Just voicing my opinion of the Banning of Nick.
And adding elderberries to my list of medicinal plants we grow up here on the farm. Melanie makes elderberry syrup for us all and a few select close friends. See there a lot of grown medicinal drugs that are not on the official US drug schedule that helps without any high side effects.
To add something somewhat related, someone once said that the only ones that want medical marijuana legalized are old long haired hippies. You know the reason for them wanting it legalized for medicinal use?
Because they know it works, they have used it and know the things it does. But someone who has NEVER used it knows more about it than someone who has. I find that hard to believe and very short sided of them. Think of all the drugs that were legal before and no longer are, or were and then they let them no longer be the DEMON weed, or the DEMON alcohol, or so many others that have been on the do not touch list by the government. See that as I said before is the problem. Our representatives only listen to the big lobbyists with the big bucks to send them places or donate big bucks to their re-election campaign.
The biggest lobbies in the country are oil, pharmaceutical, alcohol, and tobacco. Who do you think the reps are going to listen to?
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WhiteDevil88 Member
Posts: 8518 From: Coastal California Registered: Mar 2007
But he did ignore WDs post he did answer someone else’s post. Now as far as being ON Topic, Others posted their displeasure about drugs as well, and that is nowhere near ON Topic. Or even to WD, just saying.
So how many names has WD had over the years? How many threads has he personally been responsible for sending them into the trashcan? Now while I agree it is Cliffs playground but hey, wake up, the 2 idiots hate each other. Hey I hate WD, but what can ya do, this place is like family to me, only better, I’m not related to any of you and can turn you all off with the click of a mouse. I will admit I like Nick, he almost always has something intelligent to add to anything he posts on, weather I agree with it or not.
While WD very rarely has anything good to add to any thread, sometimes even his own.
Just voicing my opinion of the Banning of Nick.
You hate me? That is a bit overboard, isn't it? If you have an opinion about Nicks banning, I suggest making another thread, so Cliff can close that one instead of this one.
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84fiero123 Member
Posts: 29950 From: farmington, maine usa Registered: Oct 2004
Honestly, I'm not a mod (obvious one right?), but if one goes, they should both go. It's pretty obvious that WD was eagerly waiting for fierofetish to post in one of his threads so he could put Cliff's feet to the fire. I'll even go as far as to say that this could very well have been by design. I'm sorry WD, I don't know you that well, and only have your forum behavior to go by, but I would have to agree with some of the others here. You're one of the largest antagonists in this section, and on top of being antagonistic you don't respect people in general. The comment about jelly vs jam and fierofetish's father SHOULD have gotten you banned, period. It's not an appropriate comment in general, especially on a forum that's supposed to be more "family oriented".
You can comeback with asking me about being on topic, and I can explain how me commenting on the reaction from this thread is on comment, so why don't we just skip that part ok? I noticed your rating numbers are climbing. I imagine you're heading towards that ban one way or the other now. Good job
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avengador1 Member
Posts: 35468 From: Orlando, Florida Registered: Oct 2001
The Nick and Jeff arguements have been going on for a very long time. This thread and it's content is normal for the 2 of them. I'm surprised that anyone is still chiming in when the 2 of them argue. One person just took it too far with the Moderator and got banned. No need to harbor any more anger towards Jeff. I have no issue with either one of them so this is a little sad
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spark1 Member
Posts: 11159 From: Benton County, OR Registered: Dec 2002
It is typically the poor and miserable in life who resort to trying to completely blot out their misery by over-indulgence, and therefore over-expenditure, which leads to the stealing aspect.
Marijuana use and possession is legal in Oregon. Currently on the ballot is an issue to start selling the drug in State liquor stores.
Here are a few excerpts from the opposition in the Voter's Guide:
1. In one of our most densely populated counties, 70% of those entering the jail system tested positive for marijuana and report participating unsuccessfully in treatment programs.
2. Also, the Oregon Health Authority reports that underage marijuana use increases risks of alcohol abuse and cigarette smoking in our children.
3. Over half of those arrested for violent crimes in Oregon test positive for marijuana at the time of arrest.
4. Currently, nearly three out of four arrestees under the age of 21 test positive for marijuana.
Those who behave badly seem to be attracted to the legal herb. Now users have to grow their own, have someone grow it for them or obtain it illegally in some manner. There is a huge problem of theft from legal growers.
I don't see how making the stuff more easily accessible will aid those with a legitimate need for the drug. The State may also face a huge liability issue by being the only distributor of both spirits and marijuana. But the MM people already put the camels nose under the tent so we might as well take the next logical step.
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WhiteDevil88 Member
Posts: 8518 From: Coastal California Registered: Mar 2007
Marijuana use and possession is legal in Oregon. Currently on the ballot is an issue to start selling the drug in State liquor stores.
Here are a few excerpts from the opposition in the Voter's Guide:
1. In one of our most densely populated counties, 70% of those entering the jail system tested positive for marijuana and report participating unsuccessfully in treatment programs.
2. Also, the Oregon Health Authority reports that underage marijuana use increases risks of alcohol abuse and cigarette smoking in our children.
3. Over half of those arrested for violent crimes in Oregon test positive for marijuana at the time of arrest.
4. Currently, nearly three out of four arrestees under the age of 21 test positive for marijuana.
Those who behave badly seem to be attracted to the legal herb. Now users have to grow their own, have someone grow it for them or obtain it illegally in some manner. There is a huge problem of theft from legal growers.
I don't see how making the stuff more easily accessible will aid those with a legitimate need for the drug. The State may also face a huge liability issue by being the only distributor of both spirits and marijuana. But the MM people already put the camels nose under the tent so we might as well take the next logical step.
There are many things I don't understand about Oregon, state run liquor stores being one of them. So people who work there are state employees?
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Phaeton Member
Posts: 1437 From: Interior Alaska Registered: Dec 1999
70% of the workforce on every job held in the last twenty years smoked marijuana. This is called a cross section of the population. White collar, blue collar, even an airline. Surprise surprise surprise, 70% of the jailed population follows the trend.
Silly people, why do you argue?
Back to the reason for posting. Have not been here for years and got an urge. Clicked on this thread and Fierofetish got banned while I watched, wow. Am I the only one thinking this is the correct choice? Probably why I was gone for years.
This forum is so far from what Cliff started last millenium I wonder if he is too close to the forest and the trees are getting in his way.
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spark1 Member
Posts: 11159 From: Benton County, OR Registered: Dec 2002
There are many things I don't understand about Oregon, state run liquor stores being one of them. So people who work there are state employees?
I don't understand the State stores either, I think it's a hold-over from prohibition. The only other State I lived in that had those was Kentucky. The stores are privately owned but under contract with the State. I'm not sure how that works but they seem to have some independence in hours of operation and closing/not closing for holidays.
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WhiteDevil88 Member
Posts: 8518 From: Coastal California Registered: Mar 2007
70% of the workforce on every job held in the last twenty years smoked marijuana. This is called a cross section of the population. White collar, blue collar, even an airline. Surprise surprise surprise, 70% of the jailed population follows the trend.
Silly people, why do you argue?
Back to the reason for posting. Have not been here for years and got an urge. Clicked on this thread and Fierofetish got banned while I watched, wow. Am I the only one thinking this is the correct choice? Probably why I was gone for years.
This forum is so far from what Cliff started last millenium I wonder if he is too close to the forest and the trees are getting in his way.
Hey bud! I have been thinking about you. How are you doing? Hope that you are feeling well. I have missed communicating with you.
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