And feminists think that rape is anytime heterosexual intercourse happens, even if she says "Yes."
Any word needs to be defined not for a narrow group, but for the greater good of society. Rape, defined as I have, is defined as such to criminalize those that would take advantage of those weaker than themselves, physically, emotionally or otherwise. Marriage, described as it has for thousands of years, is defined as such because the best foundation for a society is in the core family of a Husband and a Wife raising their children. Are there other families, such as single moms and dads? Yes, but keep in mind that I said, "best," not only. The nuclear family does not denigrate the single parent family. The single mother is to be lauded, if/when she handles the income, the instruction, the discipline and all the other things that a Husband and Wife share. I do believe that a child gathers important sociological information in the proper relationship between men and women in the core nuclear family, and this is why the family has been, traditionally, protected in all societies. With the constant erosion of that core family unit in this country (from a myriad of sources), we have witnessed its inevitable consequence; our society is breaking. It isn't totally broken, but that's the road that we're walking down - some would say running with reckless abandon.
I disagree but I appreciate your point of view and can see how people would agree with you.
I believe that such terms and their meanings can and should evolve not be subjected to ancient conforms.
I don't think you are being fair to feminists either.
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I disagree but I appreciate your point of view and can see how people would agree with you.
I believe that such terms and their meanings can and should evolve not be subjected to ancient conforms.
I don't think you are being fair to feminists either.
Am I being too nice to them?
Historically, as conventions were redefined, the society fell. New societies rose that held to the original conventions. We are in the process of redefining those same conventions. We are doomed to repeat history.
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Historically, as conventions were redefined, the society fell. New societies rose that held to the original conventions. We are in the process of redefining those same conventions. We are doomed to repeat history.
blind leading the blind, no one see's the 7th sign..
Historically, as conventions were redefined, the society fell. New societies rose that held to the original conventions. We are in the process of redefining those same conventions. We are doomed to repeat history.
Explain this one please? Which part of the government or are you talking across the board? A 10% cut? 5%? You do realize the people employed have financial obligations to meet and you cut could lead to massive defaults and bankruptcies. Good luck dealing with an abundance of governement unions striking on you.
Basically, you'd grow unemployment, bankruptcies, defaults and so many other reprocussions up the financial chain that the economy would enter a depression. Do some of those things need to happen? Yes, but I doubt the country could survive them all within 4 years of each other without a depression insuing. Maybe, trim back the post office and let the economy right itself. Freeze government pay increases and after so many years the pay will right itself, assuming you can get it past the myriad of unions. Then 4+ years down the road try doing another. Basically, pick your biggest issue and do it, maybe chip away at another, but all of them at once would be devistating.
I was mainly referring to the high ranking officials making over $100K+ a year. Like Senators. Who currently don't do much of anything for this country.
I agree everything at once would be a big blow to the economy and most likely shouldn't be done at the same time, however, **** is going to hit the fan if we don't do something about the debt the USA is in. TRILLIONS of dollars...sacrifices need to be made by all, not just the "regular citizens".
Jobs? There are lots of jobs out there...but no-one but high-school drop outs to fill them. Idiots.
The family of the late classmate whom Mitt Romney allegedly bullied in high school said Friday the portrayal of their brother in new media reports is "factually incorrect" and that they are "aggrieved that he would be used to further a political agenda."
Total rat feces,another ray b liar post,, the queer involved has denied this ever happen he like Mitt,,3 forum pages because ray b is a liar & beleaves every rat liar cheeze morsel from demo rodent HQ.. ..the democ rats robbed the social security fund over & over when they had power, no one heard the republican screams ?? because the major media is part of the democrat party the omissions & lies of NBC.ABC,CBS & major newspapers brought you Obumbles the worse president in history,,I thought it was inhumanly possible to be worse than Jimmy Carter,,remember 20% home loans??OBUMBLER?? champion failure(untill we elect another democrat) the internet keeps the democrats in check only a little bit taxes are like crack to rat fornicating demomarxist
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According to some it would not have mattered if such people were shot their "thuggish" behavior as adolescents, imagine they actually had value as people in the long run..
Newf, Just being honest with ya, I don't have a clue what the above is supposed to mean. Translation please.
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Total rat feces,another ray b liar post,, the Dutchman involved has denied this ever happen he like Mitt,,3 forum pages because ray b is a liar & beleaves every rat reap cheeze morsel from dutchman HQ.. ..the dutch rats robbed the social security fund over & over when they had power, no one heard the ignorant screams of the squeeks ?? because the major media is part of the dutch party the omissions & lies of NBC.ABC,CBS & major newspapers brought you Mark Rutte. the worse president in history,,I thought it was inhumanly possible to be worse than a Dutchman,,remember 20% home loans??O'Rutte?? champion failure(untill we elect another dutchman) the internet keeps the dutchmen in check only a little bit taxes are like crack to rat fornicating dutchomarxist
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Sorry neptune my bad,, the demo rats took the money they stole from the social security fund(left IOU) & manned the barricades to fight prosperity,,they were successfull !! ABC,NBC,CBS & THE MAJOR NEWS PAPERS ARE PART OF THE DEMOc RATIC PARTY
no congressman has fraudulently moved more tax money then wrong "the hate racist"paul I use to love his racist rants in the 90,Paul is still a racist pig ,do not let his sycophant fawning cult supporters fool you all the dirt on racist scum paul is on the net,,some of his racist columns on blacks are a hoot pauls former employees have said paul was responsible for all the racist stuff wrong paul is a racist pig !! wrong paul ,alex jones & jesse ventura are the new 3 stooges, just not funny,jones is the brains of the 3 ,
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The most important election in the history of the US, what do we get, a tidbit from 40 years ago in the headlines.
The US is teetering on a financial cliff, constitution getting riddeled, dollar buying power getting incinerated by the Fed, national debt skyrocketing, 2008 problems that caused this aren't fixed only worse, government resembles an oligracy, former bank/mortgage officials entrenched in the administration, congressional party lines in gridlock.
Am I correct in questioning myself that I fear that people cannot see through the smoke?
The most important election in the history of the US, what do we get, a tidbit from 40 years ago in the headlines.
The US is teetering on a financial cliff, constitution getting riddeled, dollar buying power getting incinerated by the Fed, national debt skyrocketing, 2008 problems that caused this aren't fixed only worse, government resembles an oligracy, former bank/mortgage officials entrenched in the administration, congressional party lines in gridlock.
Am I correct in questioning myself that I fear that people cannot see through the smoke?
No--you are not correct.
The people cannot even see the smoke, much less peer thru it.
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originally posted by mattwa: I was mainly referring to the high ranking officials making over $100K+ a year. Like Senators. Who currently don't do much of anything for this country.
I agree everything at once would be a big blow to the economy and most likely shouldn't be done at the same time, however, **** is going to hit the fan if we don't do something about the debt the USA is in. TRILLIONS of dollars...sacrifices need to be made by all, not just the "regular citizens".
Jobs? There are lots of jobs out there...but no-one but high-school drop outs to fill them. Idiots.
Good luck with any of this. You will find, that for the most part, while people may admit there is a need for what you advocate, they want it to happen "not on their watch" -- that is, it should be implemented at some unspecified point in the future, when they are no longer breathing air here on the planet. Kick the can on down the road to future generations, so the current generation doesn't have to feel the pain resulting from fixes for problems this generation caused. You see, We are just too awesomely wonderfull, special, and entitled to ever have to bear any burden of responsiblilty and sacrifice such as that which you envision as a neccissity. Such is America, 2012.
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So we're not supposed to hold king Obama responsible for the racist scumbag minister at the church he supported but I have to hold Romney responsible for something he did as a kid 40 years a go lol. Naaa I'm to smart to play this silly game lol that's why I never vote liberal ...I can see through there smoke screen of bullshit and don't need there free handouts. I'll help myself.
Good luck with any of this. You will find, that for the most part, while people may admit there is a need for what you advocate, they want it to happen "not on their watch" -- that is, it should be implemented at some unspecified point in the future, when they are no longer breathing air here on the planet. Kick the can on down the road to future generations, so the current generation doesn't have to feel the pain resulting from fixes for problems this generation caused. You see, We are just too awesomely wonderfull, special, and entitled to ever have to bear any burden of responsibility and sacrifice such as that which you envision as a neccissity. Such is America, 2012.
undoing the BuSh2 tax breaks for the rich is a start voodoo #3 failed it should be allowed to die but the nut-con's will not allow that to happen
responsibility the debts grew under the nut-con's they were shrinking under clinton but they nut-con's cut taxes and started wars that is why we are in a hole today cut cut cut is focused only on the bottom cut SS cut medicare cut food stamps cut any thing to the poor people but lets keep spending on the military and never tax the rich
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Today’s unconscionable Washington Post story, which implied without evidence that Mitt Romney was a homophobic bully to one John Lauber back in his high school days five decades ago, has totally imploded.
Timed to drop the day after President Obama’s announced embrace of same-sex marriage, the story set the political world atwitter. But earlier today, Breitbart News reported that the Post had inflated witness testimony...
the Washington Post did what no reputable newspaper should ever do when caught falsifying testimony: it made a stealth correction to its own article...
The Post did not note that it had made any correction to the article.
It was irresponsible of the Post to run the hit piece in the first place, especially given its obvious bias; to retract a critical phrase and replace it without noting the retraction is just as bad.
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undoing the BuSh2 tax breaks for the rich is a start voodoo #3 failed it should be allowed to die but the nut-con's will not allow that to happen
and never tax the rich
I say tax them till they denounce their citizenship and move to places like Singapore to get away from the crazy tax the rich mentality.
Facebook Co-Founder Denounces US Citizenship (WASHINGTON) -- Facebook co-founder Eduardo Saverin stands to make billions when Facebook goes public next week. And now, ahead of that IPO, the 30-year-old has renounced his American citizenship, apparently to trim his tax liability.
Saverin was born in Brazil and lives in Singapore, where there is no capital gains tax, and a spokesman told Bloomberg that Saverin "recently found it more practical to become a resident of Singapore since he plans to live there for an indefinite period."
I was mainly referring to the high ranking officials making over $100K+ a year. Like Senators. Who currently don't do much of anything for this country.
I agree everything at once would be a big blow to the economy and most likely shouldn't be done at the same time, however, **** is going to hit the fan if we don't do something about the debt the USA is in. TRILLIONS of dollars...sacrifices need to be made by all, not just the "regular citizens".
Jobs? There are lots of jobs out there...but no-one but high-school drop outs to fill them. Idiots.
So you're actually jumping on the (supposed) Democrat "TAX the Rich" bandwagon? At least they set the bar at 250K, so you must REALLY hate successful people to set the bar at only 100K. Thats barely more than twice what I make. Will I be the next to feel your "tax anyone who makes more than I do" wrath?
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So you're actually jumping on the (supposed) Democrat "TAX the Rich" bandwagon? At least they set the bar at 250K, so you must REALLY hate successful people to set the bar at only 100K. Thats barely more than twice what I make. Will I be the next to feel your "tax anyone who makes more than I do" wrath?
Let's see, $250k. In Hope Idaho you may have one eye on that mansion, in NYC you may have one eye on the soup kitchen.
So you're actually jumping on the (supposed) Democrat "TAX the Rich" bandwagon? At least they set the bar at 250K, so you must REALLY hate successful people to set the bar at only 100K. Thats barely more than twice what I make. Will I be the next to feel your "tax anyone who makes more than I do" wrath?
No I'm not. I don't have a big problem with successful business owners who worked hard to create there buisness, I have problems with senators making that much money, for example, while not doing much of anything, which they aren't.
..The democrats robbed the poor & every American when they stole the social security fund to fight prosperity,no one could possibly rob steal & hurt poor Americans more than the democrats unless you are aggresive to get on the goverment dole,the welfare cheats have made a fortune under Obumbles
the democrats would run every job out of america if they could
it was a hate america church where Obumble went for 20 years & could not hear the sermons Luckily his wife heard & they have wide load Michelle on tape, how could a slithering snake belly like Obumbles have been elected??
Seems i'm getting here late to the party, but i agree with anyone else who says 'so what' it was 40 + years ago. People can learn from their mistakes and be better people for it. ( not saying he has nor not, and i'm not qualified to say either way, i'm just sticking to the topic ).
We have all done stupid things as kids. Most of us have grown up since then.
Seems i'm getting here late to the party, but i agree with anyone else who says 'so what' it was 40 + years ago. People can learn from their mistakes and be better people for it. ( not saying he has nor not, and i'm not qualified to say either way, i'm just sticking to the topic ).
We have all done stupid things as kids. Most of us have grown up since then.
No worries. I wouldn't be surprised if the story was planted by someone in the Romney campaign. In the long run, I't'll probably help him more than hurt him with conservative voters.
Total rat feces,another ray b liar post,, the queer involved has denied this ever happen he like Mitt,,3 forum pages because ray b is a liar & beleaves every rat liar cheeze morsel from demo rodent HQ.. ..the democ rats robbed the social security fund over & over when they had power, no one heard the republican screams ?? because the major media is part of the democrat party the omissions & lies of NBC.ABC,CBS & major newspapers brought you Obumbles the worse president in history,,I thought it was inhumanly possible to be worse than Jimmy Carter,,remember 20% home loans??OBUMBLER?? champion failure(untill we elect another democrat) the internet keeps the democrats in check only a little bit taxes are like crack to rat fornicating demomarxist
The guy supposedly died in 2004. Nice to know you just lie and make things up. At least Ray pointed to a story, you just lie to suit your needs and never have anything to back it up.
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Originally posted by ls3mach: The guy supposedly died in 2004. Nice to know you just lie and make things up. At least Ray pointed to a story, you just lie to suit your needs and never have anything to back it up.
For factual sake, yes, the guy is dead. For factual sake, his family can not recall it ever happening. For factual sake, the guy who was the source for information admits he was not there. For factual sake, there are no facts, except the fact that the Washington Post printed (likely deliberately) a story which can not be substantiated. Even more questionable considering the timing of the story. EDIT If the Washington Post doesn't need anything to back it up, Stan shouldn't either.
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For factual sake, yes, the guy is dead. For factual sake, his family can not recall it ever happening. For factual sake, the guy who was the source for information admits he was not there. For factual sake, there are no facts, except the fact that the Washington Post printed (likely deliberately) a story which can not be substantiated. Even more questionable considering the timing of the story. EDIT If the Washington Post doesn't need anything to back it up, Stan shouldn't either.
I guess nobody reads links
''The incident was recalled similarly by five students, who gave their accounts independently of one another. Four of them — Friedemann, now a dentist; Phillip Maxwell, a lawyer; Thomas Buford, a retired prosecutor; and David Seed, a retired principal — spoke on the record. Another former student who witnessed the incident asked not to be identified. ''
ray made up none of this this THE POST THE SAME NEWSPAPER THAT DID IN THE DIRTY TRICKY DICKY 5 guys including the one who helped romney all told the same story romney attacked the guy for being gay and cut his hair AND THEY SAW IT HAPPEN !!!!!!!!!!!! AND 4 OUT OF 5 PUT THEIR NAMES ON THE REPORT!!!!!!
For factual sake, yes, the guy is dead. For factual sake, his family can not recall it ever happening. For factual sake, the guy who was the source for information admits he was not there. For factual sake, there are no facts, except the fact that the Washington Post printed (likely deliberately) a story which can not be substantiated. Even more questionable considering the timing of the story. EDIT If the Washington Post doesn't need anything to back it up, Stan shouldn't either.
Gotta love election season. Toss mud and see what sticks is the name of the game, be it real or not... And if effect you control the media all the better as facts no longer apply..
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Sorry neptune my bad,, the demo rats took the money they stole from the social security fund(left IOU) & manned the barricades to fight prosperity,,they were successfull !! ABC,NBC,CBS & THE MAJOR NEWS PAPERS ARE PART OF THE DEMOc RATIC PARTY
no congressman has fraudulently moved more tax money then wrong "the hate racist"paul I use to love his racist rants in the 90,Paul is still a racist pig ,do not let his sycophant fawning cult supporters fool you all the dirt on racist scum paul is on the net,,some of his racist columns on blacks are a hoot pauls former employees have said paul was responsible for all the racist stuff wrong paul is a racist pig !! wrong paul ,alex jones & jesse ventura are the new 3 stooges, just not funny,jones is the brains of the 3 ,
you do understand that about HALF of the debt we owe, (you know that number thats in the tillions) is money that is owed to another dept.. not owed to any outside person/company/country.. thats right, when the government "borrows" from the S.S. FUND and leave an IOU that amount is added to that debt number that everyone cry's about.. it's an accounting game, owe s.s. a trillion in IOU'S it's added to the def. owe the general fund 5 tillion because you wanted to help haiti, that adds to the national def. when you deduct all the "this dept owes that dept" b/s accouting, the national debt is just over half of that big number that we get told.. YES even then the national debt is still to high.. but they do this b/s accounting, bacause lets face it, if the national debt is going down, there be no need for new taxes.. This same type b/s accounting will get you a court date with the IRS, but the government, does it.. all the time..
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No worries. I wouldn't be surprised if the story was planted by someone in the Romney campaign. In the long run, I't'll probably help him more than hurt him with conservative voters.
Do you suppose the Romney campaign planted THIS story, too? You still can't face Obama's flaws, can you?
Obama attended this church for 20 years...but you and rayb like to call everyone else a "religious nut"?
When sermons of Obama’s Chicago pastor, Jeremiah Wright, surfaced during the Iowa primaries, it threatened to derail Obama’s campaign. ABC aired one where Wright screamed, “Goddamn America!” Edward Klein interviewed Wright, who told him Obama’s team tried to buy his silence. ‘Man, the media ate me alive,” Wright told me when we met in his office at Chicago’s Kwame Nkrumah Academy. “After the media went ballistic on me, I received an e-mail offering me money not to preach at all until the November presidential election.”
“Who sent the e-mail?” I asked Wright. “It was from one of Barack’s closest friends.” “He offered you money?” “Not directly,” Wright said. “He sent the offer to one of the members of the church, who sent it to me.” “How much money did he offer you?” “One hundred and fifty thousand dollars,” Wright said. “Did Obama himself ever make an effort to see you?” “Yes,” Wright said. “Barack said he wanted to meet me in secret, in a secure place. And I said, ‘You’re used to coming to my home, you’ve been here countless times, so what’s wrong with coming to my home?’ So we met in the living room of the parsonage of Trinity United Church of Christ, at South Pleasant Avenue right off 95th Street, just Barack and me. I don’t know if he had a wire on him. His security was outside somewhere. “And one of the first things Barack said was, ‘I really wish you wouldn’t do any more public speaking until after the November election.’ He knew I had some speaking engagements lined up, and he said, ‘I wish you wouldn’t speak. It’s gonna hurt the campaign if you do that.’ “And what did you say?” I asked. “I said, ‘I don’t see it that way. And anyway, how am I supposed to support my family?’ And he said, ‘Well, I wish you wouldn’t speak in public. The press is gonna eat you alive.’
“Barack said, ‘I’m sorry you don’t see it the way I do. Do you know what your problem is?’ And I said, ‘No, what’s my problem?’ And he said, ‘You have to tell the truth.’ I said, ‘That’s a good problem to have. That’s a good problem for all preachers to have. That’s why I could never be a politician.’ “And he said, ‘It’s going to get worse if you go out there and speak. It’s really going to get worse.’ “And he was so right.”
For factual sake, yes, the guy is dead. For factual sake, his family can not recall it ever happening. For factual sake, the guy who was the source for information admits he was not there. For factual sake, there are no facts, except the fact that the Washington Post printed (likely deliberately) a story which can not be substantiated. Even more questionable considering the timing of the story. EDIT If the Washington Post doesn't need anything to back it up, Stan shouldn't either.
Exactly. If this were a court case, the alleged words of the guy wouldn't be admissible because he is dead, and his testimony couldn't be cross-examined.
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Originally posted by ray b: ... this THE POST THE SAME NEWSPAPER THAT DID IN THE DIRTY TRICKY DICKY 5 guys including the one who helped romney all told the same story romney attacked the guy for being gay and cut his hair AND THEY SAW IT HAPPEN !!!!!!!!!!!! AND 4 OUT OF 5 PUT THEIR NAMES ON THE REPORT!!!!!!
WaPo isn't the bastion of journalistic integrity it may have been in the '70s, ray.
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Romney's schoolmates -- even those who resented his bankruptcy stance and disagree with his politics -- remember him fondly and praise his character. "I'm a Democrat, so I won't vote for him," says Maxwell. "But he'd probably make a pretty good president. He's very smart, very principled."
With his powerful father, "He could have been an arrogant, stuck-up, snotty little brat," says Dearth. "But he was a great guy -- an all-American kid with a great sense of humor, very self-effacing." And although it's been documented that Romney played a teenage prank or two -- including once impersonating a police officer in order to scare some female friends -- Dearth remembers Mitt as the most straitlaced kid in the neighborhood.
"Those of us who tested the boundaries in high school still marvel at the self-discipline he displayed," Dearth continues. "With a father who was then governor, Mitt knew where the line was and never crossed it. I think it was a sign of his deep respect for his dad and the way he was brought up. I often tell people he has more personal integrity than anyone I know. And I was raised a Unitarian."
Others went out of their way to praise young Romney's moral spine. What of his more recent reputation as a political changeling? "Well, you've got to separate his principles from this incredible drive," says Maxwell matter-of-factly. "He's determined to claim the highest office in the land -- to be the first Mormon to do it. He keeps that undercover because he doesn't want to frighten people."
It's more about Mitt's relationship with his father - Executive at AMC, Governor and presidential hopeful himself - and their relationship with Detroit. It quotes many of the same people, and not a gay-bash story to be had.
In fact, Wapo has quietly (and without a notice of any kind) edited their story:
The original copy:
“I always enjoyed his pranks,” said Stu White, a popular friend of Romney’s who went on to a career as a public school teacher and has long been bothered by the Lauber incident. "But I was not the brunt of any of his pranks."
The changed copy, emphasis on the correction:
“I always enjoyed his pranks,” said Stu White, a popular friend of Romney’s who went on to a career as a public school teacher and said he has been "disturbed" by the Lauber incident since hearing about it several weeks ago, before being contacted by the Washington Post. "But I was not the brunt of any of his pranks."
So, someone circulated an unsubstantiated story about Mitt, then interviewed those who knew him as if it were fact, then reported it as such with the intention of doing harm at just the right time.... Seems like it's simply a hit piece that brings the whole "Tricky Dick" thing into question, as well.
