Oh, I agree, it is not a POS. I just think our tax dollars should not be used to help people buy the product. I would rather see the government invest into alternative energy research, and not pay people to buy the product.

quote Originally posted by jaskispyder: Oh, I agree, it is not a POS. I just think our tax dollars should not be used to help people buy the product. I would rather see the government invest into alternative energy research, and not pay people to buy the product.

I guess I dont see this being any different from the government giving people tax credits for buying more energy efficient windows, insulation or fuel efficient furnaces. Or the local Gov providing tax credits/provisions for companies to build in their area. Tax credits for individuals that put up solar panels or windmills? Why should our tax dollars go toward someone else saving money on their elect bill?
Because its a technology that needs to be developed and is way too expensive for any company to tackle alone. Americans like the idea of the US being a leader in technology and generating new and exciting products that generate jobs, and when your the leader the whole world looks to you to provide it. Thats a great position to be in. When the only countries traveling into space was the US and Russia and companies wanted to deploy satellights who could they turn to? They had two choices. If any US company can develop an elect car that has a 200 mile range and can compete with gas engines what do you suppose will happen to that company and this country?

It will be the dawn of a new age and a complete shift in the transportation industry. It will change so many things I cannot even emagine how it will effect oil dependant countries like the middle east. They will be sitting on a worthless commodity and face economic devistation.

I think its typically a good thing for our government to subsidize new technology, higher education, and any other facet that would give us the leg up on the rest of the world. Maintain the most technologically advanced military in the world with the people and products that keep us ahead of everyone else. Lots of times it benefits private sector businesses but its in the best interest of the US as a whole.

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I think these tax programs should be halted anyway. Why should the government pay me to upgrade or buy anything? If I want to spend less on heating, then I insulate. If I want to save on gas, I buy a fuel efficient car. Research dollars would do more good, than just paying people to do things, I think.

Its not always a problem developing the technology its mass producing it in an affordable method. Solar panels are here and work but are expensive to manufacture. So although it may help the country lower its dependance on oil or lower emissions the average home owner would require years to recover their investment. So it may be good overall for everyone, as an individual it doesnt make sense.
The Volt is very similar in that its a step in the right direction but wont necessarily make good economic sence for the individual. The first stab at any new technoligy is rarely the best attempt. Things will improve and range will increase and cost will come down. Until then off-setting that initial start up cost makes sense.

Why else would our government get involved in subsidizing bridges and highways, Space exploration, Satelite communications and so many other industries out there.. Because they are too expensive for an individual states, private company or individual to finance on their own.

It would be a shame to let this opportunity pass us by and let another country be the leader in EV technology. There is a lot more money and jobs at stake then what our Gov is throwing out there in incentives.

libs & left wingers never miss a uhlanstan post for the grammer & puntuation//
the revolting does not perform as it should,will not make 35miles,,this is how not to build new tech..G.M.was pressured to build this car
this POS ruined G.M. $$$billions $$$went into developement while customers were
screwed because thier new car transmission/electronic problems were ignored,the warrantee money sunk down the revolting rat hole

Gas is really cheap now,wait till the jewboys hit the Iranian nukes
the Chinese & Russians will make it tough,support your Israeli military,they work hard for you,our only friend..Iran is to big for the israeli,s to handle
then think small hybred car

I wonder if anyone else has had this same thought:

Uhlanstan's posts remind me of James Joyce (the little that I was able to read of his works like Ulysses, etc.)

No offense meant to Uhlanstan. He could even take this as a compliment.

..And how he kissed me under the moorish wall as I exposed my chest to him.tho feeling mouldy blue for the want of a pint, snot green in colour
....I hate that crap Joyce wished he could Write as well as uhlansatan
They hung the fat chinaman from the village gate..plagerized from uhlanstan & slightly changed in 'THE CHINESE BANDIT,, THIS STATEMENT IS THE BEST PART OF THE CHINESE BANDIT,DO NOT BOTHER READING IT ,,IT SUCKS

quote Originally posted by rstubie: Its not always a problem developing the technology its mass producing it in an affordable method. Solar panels are here and work but are expensive to manufacture. So although it may help the country lower its dependance on oil or lower emissions the average home owner would require years to recover their investment. So it may be good overall for everyone, as an individual it doesnt make sense. The Volt is very similar in that its a step in the right direction but wont necessarily make good economic sence for the individual. The first stab at any new technoligy is rarely the best attempt. Things will improve and range will increase and cost will come down. Until then off-setting that initial start up cost makes sense. Why else would our government get involved in subsidizing bridges and highways, Space exploration, Satelite communications and so many other industries out there.. Because they are too expensive for an individual states, private company or individual to finance on their own. It would be a shame to let this opportunity pass us by and let another country be the leader in EV technology. There is a lot more money and jobs at stake then what our Gov is throwing out there in incentives.

Second that!

.Squeeks !!The technology was there ,but all here have forgotten the john waxman ,henry dingell fight to lead auto technology,before the fight waxman, pilosi & others wanted strickter regulations & more green cars from detroit
The democrats commies made sure billions were thrown down the green rat hole,,Dingell was your protector
..Dingell is a car guy the kind of man who would drive a Fiero..his squeeze debbie,is a part of the G.M. founding family The weasels gaithered,, stabbed dingell in the back & now marxist commie liberal waxman is demanding more billions down the green rat hole..Waxman represents hollywood & has many media ,T.V. & movie lefty liberals behind him.
you better be carefull what you want the left hates fun & big engines in fiero,s are fun,, they are still killing California car crafters ,easier with whites fleeing the corn hole state.
Car crafters friends are becomming few,,Have you ever seen a Smart car??

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quote Originally posted by uhlanstan: .Squeeks !!The technology was there ,but all here have forgotten the john waxman ,henry dingell fight to lead auto technology,before the fight waxman, pilosi & others wanted strickter regulations & more green cars from detroit The democrats commies made sure billions were thrown down the green rat hole,,Dingell was your protector ..Dingell is a car guy the kind of man who would drive a Fiero..his squeeze debbie,is a part of the G.M. founding family The weasels gaithered,, stabbed dingell in the back & now marxist commie liberal waxman is demanding more billions down the green rat hole..Waxman represents hollywood & has many msdia ,T.V. & movie lefty liberals behind him. you getter be carefull what you want the lrft hates fun & big engines in fiero,s are fun,, they are still killing California car crafters ,easier with whites fleeing the corn hole state.

Um, alrighty then....

quote Originally posted by uhlanstan: libs & left wingers never miss a uhlanstan post for the grammer & puntuation// the revolting does not perform as it should,will not make 35miles,,this is how not to build new tech..G.M.was pressured to build this car this POS ruined G.M. $$$billions $$$went into developement while customers were screwed because thier new car transmission/electronic problems were ignored,the warrantee money sunk down the revolting rat hole Gas is really cheap now,wait till the jewboys hit the Iranian nukes the Chinese & Russians will make it tough,support your Israeli military,they work hard for you,our only friend..Iran is to big for the israeli,s to handle then think small hybred car

The Volt IS a GREAT car. The start up cost is a little much, but that is what GM gets for the late entry fee. The biggest problem with the Volt are the nay sayers. It is nearly perfect for what it was made to do.

quote Originally posted by rstubie: Contrary to personal unsubstantiated opinion the Volt was just named car of the year at the Geneva Auto show.. Not by a panel of US government employees or some lone blogger that thinks his opinion is in deed fact, but from folks that actually know something about automobiles. Again to those who continue to have an opinion about something they know nothing about, this car is powered by an electric motor. This motor is powered by either battery reserve or the on-board gasoline engine. The engine runs just slightly over idle as it essentually a generator. The gas engine does not provide propulsion of any kind. No need to find a charging station. Is the car expensive? Yes Is the car practical? No Will the payback from gas savings offset the cost? Probably not. All these questions have been beat like a dead horse and are not new. This is a niche vehicle. It is expensive but new technology always is. Practical, well it only fits certain peoples driving styles and for those that live within 20 miles of work. Gas savings well again that comes back to you have to start somewhere. To not ever build the car would be the real crime. As someone else posted, Should we just sit back and wait for the Chinese or japanese to develop the technology so we can play catch up? It typically takes 4 years to launch a vehicle. Everyone has heard the saying "dont buy a first year car", Yea you know why because there are just to many changes that are made to improve the car after a bunch are made. Thats why cars like Lamborghini have such horrible quality. They dont build enough cars to work out all the bugs. So are they big POS because they have problems? The car is what it is. If it doesnt work for you fine dont buy it. That doesnt mean its a POS. If the alternative fuel source doesnt justify the extra cost again it doesnt make it a POS. Just not very economical. The same could be said for many other vehicles. To just ignoir advancements and turn a blind eye to future technology would dumber than anything GM has ever done in the past, and they have done some really stupid things before.

Hey buddy, don't you come into a Volt hating thread with unbiased (Europeans)opinions!

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quote Originally posted by Rickady88GT: The Volt IS a GREAT car. The start up cost is a little much, but that is what GM gets for the late entry fee. The biggest problem with the Volt are the nay sayers. It is nearly perfect for what it was made to do.

Really? I saw one broke down here today. A dead battery pack, and to add to their misery, the gas engine won't start. Uahlanstan also test drove one (I would reason he did today) in another thread.

That makes two of them broken down today (I'm beginning to think Uhlanstan is right about it being a p....)

It can't even do what it was made to do well.



THe owner of that Volt was not happy, while I gave him a ride in my "gas powered" Camaro, he spouted obseneties about how great the Volt is

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While I'm not a particular fan of the Volt, I think I'll chime in here.

The first computers took up an entire room, required teams of scientists to operate, had a few mb of processing power, and cost a million dollars. Now you can buy on that sits on your lap with a thousand times the computing power of the early ones for $500.

The first cell phone, the Motorola Dynatac 8000x, was the size and weight of a brick, had a terrible battery life, and cost $4000. Only very wealthy and important businessmen owned them. Now you can buy one that fits in your hand that is also doubles as a computer for chump change.

All of these technologies were new at some point. They were far from practical or affordable to the average person (sound familiar?). The electric car, just like any new technology, takes TIME to be viable in the real world. In TIME, the electric car will be a reality. Right now, the electric car is just a curiosity, just like the computer, the cell phone, and a host of other new technologies once were.

quote Originally posted by htexans1: Really? I saw one broke down here today. A dead battery pack, and to add to their misery, the gas engine won't start. Uahlanstan also test drove one (I would reason he did today) in another thread. That makes two of them broken down today (I'm beginning to think Uhlanstan is right about it being a p....) It can't even do what it was made to do well. THe owner of that Volt was not happy, while I gave him a ride in my "gas powered" Camaro, he spouted obseneties about how great the Volt is

quote Originally posted by uhlanstan: ,,Who here remembers my post on the VOLT years ago,,I followed it up to when they built the battery plant,,THIS WAS FORCED ON G.M. BY THE GREENS & GOV BEAUCRATS WHO WANTED ELECTRIC CARS. THIS CAR DESTROYED G.M. IT IS A MAIN REASON PONTIAC IS GONE the car is a complete crapster POS good luck to the fools who purchased one. at one time over 50% of GM engineers were working on this car & problems with GM transmissions were ignored,& customers were screwed 10 years of profit went into this crapster. wait till we have auto battery polution?? many GM engineers thought the car was complete crap,,it will take 10 years of 100,000 VOLTs a year to recoup the cost. this car should have NEVER been manufactured Americans generally hate small economical cars !!raise your hand if you are really hot for a smart car GM should have built a world beater 50 mpg ,lite Saturn/Cavalier ,yes it would have been slow.A 2200 pound car with 80 to 85 horsepower,4 cylinder, the 5 speed would get 48 city 55 hiway like the 1993 honda civic vx

Careful with this crazy talk. Obama leg humpers like Tigger and Neptune are going to try you branding you a racist for talking trash against their man.

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I think we should all band together to buy uhlanstan a Volt.

For me, if the Volt was economical, I would consider one. I don't see anything wrong with it, other than price vs fuel savings.

As for the killing of GM, this was their own doing. Their vehicles were bland, boring and out of touch with what their customers wanted.

quote Originally posted by loafer87gt: Careful with this crazy talk. Obama leg humpers like Tigger and Neptune are going to try you branding you a racist for talking trash against their man.

You are all racists!

Anyway, that said.. I test drove a Volt about a year ago and was very impressed. I don't understand why people can't get past having to plug it in when we plug in almost everything else we use on a daily basis, laptops, cell phones, ipods, etc into chargers everyday. I would own a Volt but I drive too much to make it's electric use practical vs the cost/mileage of say a Chevy Cruze ECO. I'd burn through the mileage warranty in no time flat so it's not for me right now but it probably is for other people, I see Volts all the time on the road.

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Branding Uhlanstan a racist for what he wrote would be stupid but pointing out that he's wrong about his statement is something else entirely and I think he's wrong.

So an electric vehicle was forced on GM and it was the reason for its bankruptcy? I wonder why all those companies make or will make these:

Fisker Karma:

(I've seen two of those on the road and they are AWESOME!)

Ford Focus Electric:


BMW i3 and i8:



Nissan Leaf:


Tesla Roadster, Model S and Model X:




Smart ED:


Mini E:


Mitsubishi iMiEV:


Coda Sedan:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...ilable_electric_cars

quote Originally posted by loafer87gt: Careful with this crazy talk. Obama leg humpers like Tigger and Neptune are going to try you branding you a racist for talking trash against their man.

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quote Originally posted by uhlanstan: the revolting does not perform as it should,will not make 35miles,,this is how not to build new tech..G.M.was pressured to build this car this POS ruined G.M.

I'm sure you have data that will show the car cannot achieve 35 miles. Because I drove one from the Detroit Hamtramck Assy plant where they are built to Toledo Ohio which is a 65 mile trip completely on battery.

Oh and you may want to watch the video at this link http://www.autonews.com/art...VIDEO/303089951/1439
You will see that the Volt was already in the works before Obama was ever in office. The bailout, the government nor Obama had anything to do with why this car exsists.

WAKE UP,the volt is a failure
the volt does not do what it was design to do
the volt cost twice what it should
you are watching the destruction of America
POLITICAL CORRECTNESS BIRTH THE VOLT
the technoligy is available to built an electric hybred car,
that will sell,some are being built
a hybred is better in the reality of today !!BUT,big BUT
the politicians wanted the volt from G.M.
you will regret the day they stabbed Dingell in the back.

the liberal will ease it into you as you grab your ankles.many of you will tingle with the other marxist liberals & love it.
keep watching T.V. & listening to the vapid music so very important to you.
avoid being active in politics,where our destruction emanates
O.K. Im a angry racist hater according to those who detest my post,REALLY??
YOU HAVE MY ANGER WRONG ,I DIRECT IT TO OUR ENEMIES,& show the democrats the kind of hate they have shown for many years,the democrats are destroying America & will be puzzled when all is destroyed
destroy marriage, destroy religion ,destroy the home,bring on fiascos like the volt,make sure criminal illegals can vote,bring 1000s of Somali,s here who hate our guts
..In central florida another cop brutaly killed here this week by a multi felon freed by liberal judges many times,there were 4 warants out for him,,these judges go to the higher court,, then Supreme court..
another queer got into the boyscouts leadership & destroyed 20 lifes last week
go back to sleep now

Facts and arguments aren't going to do it. I give up.

Id have to have some proof of that. From everything Ive heard, 1/3-1/2 of that is the norm. The only true test of battery mileage is to disable the gas engine/generator and drive it. Im betting if you got 65 miles, the gas engine was running it at some point. I ' might' believe it if you had nothing else running at all in the car and drove slow. That means, no heat, no lights, no radio or GPS, no wipers or anything else using any power. Also would have to be flat or slightly downhill the majority of the distance. I have a few large electric Ion battery powered RC cars. They do last longer going slower, soon as you crank up some speed, distance drops off fast.

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The volt does exactly what it was intended to do.... it is an extended electric vehicle. It was not intended to be cheap

For the rest of the post... yeah... ah... .hmmm... wow...

quote Originally posted by uhlanstan: WAKE UP,the volt is a failure the volt does not do what it was design to do the volt cost twice what it should you are watching the destruction of America POLITICAL CORRECTNESS BIRTH THE VOLT the technoligy is available to built an electric hybred car, that will sell,some are being built a hybred is better in the reality of today !!BUT,big BUT the politicians wanted the volt from G.M. you will regret the day they stabbed Dingell in the back. the liberal will ease it into you as you grab your ankles.many of you will tingle with the other marxist liberals & love it. keep watching T.V. & listening to the vapid music so very important to you. avoid being active in politics,where our destruction emanates O.K. Im a angry racist hater according to those who detest my post,REALLY?? YOU HAVE MY ANGER WRONG ,I DIRECT IT TO OUR ENEMIES,& show the democrats the kind of hate they have shown for many years,the democrats are destroying America & will be puzzled when all is destroyed destroy marriage, destroy religion ,destroy the home,bring on fiascos like the volt,make sure criminal illegals can vote,bring 1000s of Somali,s here who hate our guts ..In central florida another cop brutaly killed here this week by a multi felon freed by liberal judges many times,there were 4 warants out for him,,these judges go to the higher court,, then Supreme court.. another queer got into the boyscouts leadership & destroyed 20 lifes last week go back to sleep now

quote Originally posted by uhlanstan: WAKE UP,the volt is a failure In your Opinion the volt does not do what it was design to do Yes it moves on electric and has a gas back up. the volt cost twice what it should Tell ya what you build one and let me know what it should cost you are watching the destruction of America POLITICAL CORRECTNESS BIRTH THE VOLT The birth of this car is about being a leader in new technology staying ahead of the competition preparing GM for the future and very little about politics. the technoligy is available to built an electric hybred car, that will sell,some are being built None that actually are propelled by electric 100% of the time with a generator back up for less $. a hybred is better in the reality of today !!BUT,big BUT the politicians wanted the volt from G.M. you will regret the day they stabbed Dingell in the back. For god sake man its Hybrid They dont actually breed the cars. From here on down I just heard blah blah I want it in the rear blah. the liberal will ease it into you as you grab your ankles.many of you will tingle with the other marxist liberals & love it. keep watching T.V. & listening to the vapid music so very important to you. avoid being active in politics,where our destruction emanates O.K. Im a angry racist hater according to those who detest my post,REALLY?? YOU HAVE MY ANGER WRONG ,I DIRECT IT TO OUR ENEMIES,& show the democrats the kind of hate they have shown for many years,the democrats are destroying America & will be puzzled when all is destroyed destroy marriage, destroy religion ,destroy the home,bring on fiascos like the volt,make sure criminal illegals can vote,bring 1000s of Somali,s here who hate our guts ..In central florida another cop brutaly killed here this week by a multi felon freed by liberal judges many times,there were 4 warants out for him,,these judges go to the higher court,, then Supreme court.. another queer got into the boyscouts leadership & destroyed 20 lifes last week go back to sleep now

..Obumbles was completely ineffective as a congressman & had no real input ,untill the power brokers made him wealthy because he was a back bench marxist/lewinski spouting clone..Obumble had 0 power & no input on VOLT.
..the VOLT is the result of political green failure,,I am very surprised G.M completely screwed this up,just another Solyndra toilet dump
..a brand new Volt works great but get 6 months of regular use & you may not go 25 miles one charge.it may take much longer than 12 hours to charge the battery..$35,000.oo??? it aint worth it,the EV was worse
..I was a VOLT fan,enthusiastic I followed the developement ,I posted about the VOLT on this forum,I stopped following it when they built the battery factory it was a POS by then..The Tesla was a POS unreliable,troublesome,I should have saved the articles
there is a place for battery cars NOW, but now the hybred is king

quote Originally posted by rogergarrison: Id have to have some proof of that. From everything Ive heard, 1/3-1/2 of that is the norm. The only true test of battery mileage is to disable the gas engine/generator and drive it. Im betting if you got 65 miles, the gas engine was running it at some point. I ' might' believe it if you had nothing else running at all in the car and drove slow. That means, no heat, no lights, no radio or GPS, no wipers or anything else using any power. Also would have to be flat or slightly downhill the majority of the distance. I have a few large electric Ion battery powered RC cars. They do last longer going slower, soon as you crank up some speed, distance drops off fast.

I guess I have no way of proving what I actually experienced personally so your basically saying I'm lying. I have no stake in GM or this car, just explaining what I know to be fact. The car was brand new the first 20 miles was in Detroit Hwy traffic doing about 60 then about 70 the rest of the way basiclly all hwy and no the air nor lights, wipers etc were on. Basically just the radio.

My problem with the Volt besides it being a POS is the politics involved with its creation.

GM shareholders were ripped off. period. Anything GM did after that point was moot.

The Volt was forced on GM, it didn't have any desire (pre Obama) to make it to production so soon.

GM failed at the EV-1. GM failed at the 2010 Camaro. It failed again with the ZL-1.

It Failed Pontiac and its owners, let alone Hummer, Saab, Saturn and Oldsmobile.

GM needs to be shot right between the eyes.

As for Electrics, when the Focus Electric comes out, I'll rock it (test drive it)

If it fits my needs, ill be happy to have one.

Chances are, it will be more reliable then the Vega,-- I mean Volt.

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quote Originally posted by htexans1: GM shareholders were ripped off. period. Anything GM did after that point was moot.

What would have happened to GM shareholders in a liquidation?

What to workers, suppliers and their families? What about the loss of knowledge and capacity in manufacturing?

I find it hilarious how people think everything GM does is politically motivated.
Yes they do things required by the government. (as all automakers do) Let see they installed seatbelts, airbags, ABS, Tire pressure sensors, collapsable steering collumns, Safty glass windsheilds, DOT approved side glass, Unleaded gas, E85 capabilities, Catalatic Converters, Air pumps and other Emission equipment, Crumble zones, Lights that meet a standard regulation. Mufflers that meet a standard regualtions, bumpers that meet certain crash and height requirments. etc etc.. and so on. If you saw all the guidelines that every part has to meet for safety, recycleablity, and fuctionality you would kill a forest reading it all.

Yes a lot of what they do is to meet all the regualtions and requirments put on them to achieve certain standards that fedral and state governments have impossed on them.. But to actually think our Government sits in a board meeting and tell private industry what to build is ridiculous. They certainly steer them in a direction with all the regulations but dont say what will and will not be built.

quote Originally posted by yellowstone: What would have happened to GM shareholders in a liquidation? What to workers, suppliers and their families? What about the loss of knowledge and capacity in manufacturing?

Such is life in a capitalist society. Let the market decide. If GM had quality products, priced affordably, they wouldn't be needing "government loan guarantees" now would they?

Ford operates without them, Boeing operates without them and so does General Electric.

quote another poster says something about the government does not force GM to make anything, just steer them in that direction, or words to that effect...

Yeah, If GM does not build what they want, will they continue to be able to use the government for more loans? No.

Let the market decide. If GM died, its because of their own ineptitude. Not because of its shareholders.

GM ripped off their shareholders, and they still pander to the government. nuf said.

"Let's agree to disagree."

yellowstone,you should know better
I readsomeof the glowing reports on the Tesla in the prominent road test magazines road & track car & driver I ALSO READ SOME OF THE ADDENDUMS,THIER WERE MANy TESLA,S BROKE DOWN,one test the car failed & they used another & did not mention in road test.
google
problem with nissan leaf
problem with smart car
YOU MUST KNOW THE $40,000 BATTERY PACK IN THE TESLA CAN FAIL COMPLETELY IF NOT CHARGED
the Ford hybreds(breeds) are actually good cars ,,but fords have always been MUCH more reliable than chevy,except for the tempo,must have been G.M. design.ford took good parts ,made a bad car, thank you unions
you guys miss the point,,I do not dislike electric cats or cars
for years the chevy small block was troublesome,WHAT?? just G.M.
i LOVE TO SPELL BUREACRAT.BUREAUCRAT,BEAUREACRAT
SCREW THE GRAMMER SPELLING POLICE
HAVE A NICE DAY,UNLESS YOU HAVE OTHER PLANS

quote Originally posted by htexans1: Chances are, it will be more reliable then the Vega,-- I mean Volt.

curious, why would you say it is unreliable?

It's like reading the angry, "off his meds" rantings of a deranged slam poet.

I was shocked to hear about the Tesla discharged battery problem. I have run down my laptops several times and they have the same batteries. I also was surprised to see five teslas in Harrison Idaho. They traveled from Seattle Washington and stopped in Ellensburg for a recharge. They said it took 2 hours to recharge. Ellensburg is about halfway so they must have been ready for another recharge when I saw them. There are other electric cars using lithium ion batteries. Have they got the same problems or have they solved the discharged battery problem?

quote Originally posted by jaskispyder: curious, why would you say it is unreliable?

I picked up a gentleman yesterday who was broke down in one. He stated to me in between obseneties that it was the 3rd time he broke down this week in his NEW Volt.

I would say that is unreliable.

quote Originally posted by htexans1: I picked up a gentleman yesterday who was broke down in one. He stated to me in between obseneties that it was the 3rd time he broke down this week in his NEW Volt. I would say that is unreliable.

Maybe the guy was just a dumba55 and didnt realize he needed to have gas in the car too, and once the batterys were dead he couldnt start the engine either.