Cliff and Avengador, seriously, what the hell is wrong with you guys? Why are you guys still fighting? Can you not just both decide right here and now to give the proverbial shake and be done with it? I'm sure you guys have said some really nasty stuff to eachother, but let's just drop it here and now. I much preferred you guys when you were both part of the same liberal fighting army.

Cliffw started it when Jazzman got himself banned. Cliffw didn't like me calling Jazzman a douchebag and telling him to go crying to mother, who is dead. I did this only after Jazzman had finished insulted my parents first, and me for the umpteenth time. I have no love lost for Jazzman nor anyone who feels they have to troll me and call me names, because they think I did something wrong to one of their "friends", that's too f'ing bad as he got what he deserved.
I was only defending myself and will give everyone the same treatment they give me. I have always treated people the same way they treat me. Treat me like an enemy and expect the same.
If Cliffw wants to stop, I will too, otherwise I will keep giving him what he is giving me. I didn't start this and I never will back down to any troll or bully.

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quote Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: snip

Ok, so I take you at your word that you believe 99% is the correct percentage of Christians in the NFL. I don't believe it for a millisecond. Don't get me wrong, I'm not calling you a liar, I just know that is not correct, I don't even believe it's close to that. Maybe over 50%, but not even in the ballpark of 99%.

Jim

quote Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: I much preferred you guys when you were both part of the same liberal fighting army.

Believe me. We never were.

quote Originally posted by avengador1: Cliffw started it ...

And I will end it. Why are you posting a video of yourself? It's obviously not me nor anything I said as anyone can plainly see. Another one of your drunken posts?
Back on topic.
http://zionica.com/2011/12/...r-blasphemous-tweet/
Bill Maher in Hot Water After Blasphemous Tweet

quote Even as Denver Broncos’ quarterback Tim Tebow (left) is arguably responsible for the Broncos turnaround season, helping them win the AFC West and win a spot in the playoffs, he continues to be the source of contention for some football fans who are offended by his staunch Christianity. Last week, after the Broncos suffered a loss to the Buffalo Bills, atheist comedian Bill Maher sent a blasphemous tweet that offended football fans and Christians across the nation. After the Broncos lost to the Bills, the talk show host tweeted: “Wow, Jesus just F***** #Tim Tebow bad! And on Xmas Eve! Somewhere in hell Satan is tebowing, saying to Hitler ‘Hey, Buffalo’s killing them.’ ” The Washington Post reported on the incident: Maher is hardly known for his reverence for religious belief, but a profanity-laced tweet about Tim Tebow’s faith has him in particularly hot water. Maher’s tweet led some to call for a boycott of HBO and is the latest — and perhaps most crude — in a stream of criticsm about the religious quarterback. Maher has been an outspoken critic of Christianity, even lashing out against the Bible on Fox News’ O’Reilly Factor last October, stating that faith is ultimately the “purposeful suspension of critical thinking.”

quote Originally posted by jimbolaya: Ok, so I take you at your word that you believe 99% is the correct percentage of Christians in the NFL. I don't believe it for a millisecond. Don't get me wrong, I'm not calling you a liar, I just know that is not correct, I don't even believe it's close to that. Maybe over 50%, but not even in the ballpark of 99%. Jim

So we're clear...

90.6% of the US population is of one form or another, Christian (includes non-denominational, Mormon, Mennenite, Jehova's Witness) according to the latest 2007 estimates.

Blacks, which we can admit make up the majority of the NFL, are even more religious than whites. The most religiously devout ethnicity or race in the United States, are blacks, and they are almost exclusively Christian, even though you hear a lot about "The Nation", the FACT is that some 86% of blacks identify themselves exclusively as "Christian" which doesn't even include the percentage of non-denominational.
Blacks are on whole, about 23% more religious than whites.

In addition to the FACT that every team has a preacher (at least one, some have more than one), and that they pray before every game, both in the locker room, and on the field before a game starts, and because some even go out into the endzone before the player introductions and pray... you have an even larger percentage of evangelically motivated Christians in the NFL than you do in other places.

You have absolutely NO foundation with which to base your claims, simply a disbelief. I've lived and breathed the NFL for over 6 years. I've seen Bill Parcells nutsack as he clipped his toenails by the sink, naked, while he talked to me about penalty and advance reports. I know way more about the NFL than I ever cared to know about, I'm not even really that interested in football. I'm way more interested in Hockey.

But it is what it is. Like it, hate it, whatever... those are facts.


Oh, and Cliff and Avengador... what do I have to do to get you guys to kiss and make up? Name it... if you want me to sleep in a OWS tent and take a picture, I'll do it...


Todd


EDIT: Would like to add here that it seems that white liberals are the least religious in the United States (of any religion). They are also the only people that seem to think they know what's best for everyone else on this planet.

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quote Oh, and Cliff and Avengador... what do I have to do to get you guys to kiss and make up?

Stop cliffw from bashing me for no reason and I will stop. I will keep replying to his attacks in kind, otherwise.

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I thought the whole Tebow Christian beliefs turned into a big deal, because Christian religious people were making it a big deal.

Since Tebow isn't really all that great of a quarterback, but he has made a few 4th quarter turnarounds to win a few games and since he is hyper-turbo Christian and makes it public, then all these Christians across the nation who know about Tebow started to make it a big deal to everybody else.

He was becoming a hero and model for those christian pastors on the pulpit to preach about the praying miracle and role model that Tebow represents for Christianity.

Then Tebow and the Broncos lost. Some people then made fun of him.

Now the Christians are on the attack and saying that it's disgusting behavior to make fun of a person for their faith.

Christians hate it when people make fun of their faith. Although they don't see a problem when people make fun or attack the faith of Muslims.

What Maher said was hilarious, IMHO.

I'm sorry! But I think people's religious beliefs are free game under Freedom of Speech and it should be made fun of, because its silly to have religious beliefs.

quote Originally posted by Wichita: I thought the whole Tebow Christian beliefs turned into a big deal, because Christian religious people were making it a big deal. Since Tebow isn't really all that great of a quarterback, but he has made a few 4th quarter turnarounds to win a few games and since he is hyper-turbo Christian and makes it public, then all these Christians across the nation who know about Tebow started to make it a big deal to everybody else. He was becoming a hero and model for those christian pastors on the pulpit to preach about the praying miracle and role model that Tebow represents for Christianity. Then Tebow and the Broncos lost. Some people then made fun of him. Now the Christians are on the attack and saying that it's disgusting behavior to make fun of a person for their faith. Christians hate it when people make fun of their faith. Although they don't see a problem when people make fun or attack the faith of Muslims. What Maher said was hilarious, IMHO. I'm sorry! But I think people's religious beliefs are free game under Freedom of Speech and it should be made fun of, because its silly to have religious beliefs.

Freedom of speech gives people the right to say ANYTHING, and I fully support that. No arguments from me. If people want to pee on the cross and call that modern art, that is WELL within their right to do it, and I wholey support their right to do it. Do I like it? Hell no... but I support their right to do it because no one should be making a decision for the masses as to what is and what isn't free speech. Caveat, so long as an individual is not being physically or permenantly emotionally harmed by free speech (IE: Child **** ).

As for Tebow, his sense of religion is nothing new to me in the NFL (as I've stated above). He certainly publicized it by adding scripture quotes to his sun absorption paint. I tend to like him because he's from Florida, and my wife likes him because he's from the University of Florida and that's where she graduated from. I personally think Jacksonville should have picked him up because they're literally right there, and it would have (without a doubt) been a total sellout season for them for the foreseeable future... no idea why they didn't get him. They had the chance, but instead picked a defensive tackle.

From my standpoint, I don't see the religion as the reason why there is a media dislike for him. California liberals do not watch football. These are the people that, like Nancy Pelosi are the ones who are typically the anti-religious, very pro-welfare and big government people. So for the most part, a hard-core liberal like that doesn't have a clue who Tebow is. It's been my impression that Tim Tebow is disliked because of his quick rocket to fame under the University of Florida football program. College football is significantly more cut-throat than pro is, and the Gators literally kicked ass for two years straight. I'm not a fan of UF, I guess you could say I'm relatively indifferent, but I believe they won the BCS Championship back to back with Tebow... and one of those seasons I think they only lost a single game (believe it was against Saban at Alabama). I have a hatred for Saban though, but that's for a whole other reason (look up his history with the Dolphins). In any case, when University of Florida was kicking ass in the SEC, all the other college teams, fans, football writers, were up in arms in how much they hated Tebow (because of his success). Like him or hate him, he was an amazing College football player. He won the Heisman trophy one year, and was nominated all other years. He also won QB of the year award for college football. If you're not a fan of the Gators football program, you hate the guy. When the 2010 NFL draft was coming up the only thing anyone talked about was Tim Tebow... he was on the news every single day... what is he doing, what will he be doing, who will get him, will he be the first pick?

So, I guess for the people who are anti-religious... they're up in arms over him, but that's what they do to occupy their time with. All the football fans... they hate him because they hate his awesomeness in college football. For the same reason why the rest of the world hate's the United States because we're so awesome.

Just saying... you might look at it from your perspective, and I might look at it from my perspective. But since 90% of the US is Christian, I think it's safe to say most people hate him because of his success in college football and his fan-base... not because he's religious.

Not 90%. Christian. 60-76% and falling. Where did you get your 90% figure? Is that a faith based figure?

quote Originally posted by dratts: Not 90%. Christian. 60-76% and falling. Where did you get your 90% figure? Is that a faith based figure?

The State Department's World Fact Book, which is based off of the 2007 census findings with respect to religion.

It's actually not falling, it might be falling globally? But it's not falling in the United States. The vast majority of our immigrants come from South and Central America... which is even more religious than we are. Some countries in South America are actually over 90% Catholic, and almost 99% Christian... it's pretty funny. So in any case, as long as most of our immigrants come from South and Central America, we'll only become more religious as a country. Incidentally, the population that is the least religious are whites, and the percentage of whites in the United States is on the decline. As a matter of fact, if it wasn't for Mexicans, or other Central American immigrants, as well as immigrants from South America... the US population would actually be on the decline.

Despite all the media attention towards Muslims, they don't even make up even 1% of the US population... closer to half a percent. There are nearly three times as many Jewish people in the United States as their are Muslims. There also hasn't been any significant immigration into the US from arab countries with the exception of Egyptian Coptics (Christian), and refugees from Iraq. The majority of the muslims that live in the United States are in Michigan, which have been here already for over 100 years... they were brought over by Henry Ford to work in the original Model T factories because he couldn't find enough people to work up there (imagine that? negative unemployment numbers in Michigan).

None of my facts are faith-based. I'm Catholic, but I could care less what religion other people are. As a matter of fact, I think it's really a shame that many religious cultures are on the decline, like buddhism in Thailand, or Hinduism in India. Sure, I think it's great that Christianity is considered the "wealthy and classy" religion in India (especially among the Telugu), I still think it's really sad that such a rich culture and religion is dissapearing. But please, don't even begin to paint me as an evangelical. Half my family is gay, I'm not about book burning.

I can tell you though that Christianity IS falling heavily in Europe due to distrust from the Catholic church, and heavy Islamic immigration (which as a clash, has caused a general dislike for religion in general)... I remember back in the 80s, people used to still go to church... now most of the churches have been converted to night clubs or apartment buildings. Heck, even Ireland just recalled it's ambassador to the Vatican City.

quote Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:

You're right that most people who don't jock sniff football do not know who Tebow is. But you are completely wrong that the so called "left-wing media" is hating on Tebow because he is religious.

95% of the Media, Hollywood, or whatever, completely ignored Tebow because they don't care, like most of the Nation doesn't.

The only reason this became a "Story of the Week", is because ESPN and other Sport Talk host were bagging on Tebow on how terrible he was as a quarterback and how he was a sloppy passer and etc.

As far as all the starting quarterbacks in the NFL, Tebow ranks way down in the bottom in 24th place out of 34. Broncos lost 7 games. So basically he is mediocre.

But ESPN and other Sport Talk Host gave him a bit of credit for a couple of games the Broncos won for stepping up for 4th quarter turnaround wins. Tebow in his press conference basically made it all about his Christian belief.

Then Christian radio, TV, Rush Limbaugh and the likes started making Tebow out as some star role model and a great quarterback and that he should be ranked out there as one of the best.

The Christian community followed by giving him huge support for a fan base and watching Bronco games because he was so publicly hyper Christian.

Now that he lost a few games, he is fizzling as the current event news of the week and soon will be forgotten. Only the Hyper Christians are still trying to pump him up or make the story last by saying the left hates him.

Bill Maher made a funny remark because he is a comedian who comments always on current events.

Other than that I don't see anybody else caring.

Here is your problem Mr. 82-T/A. You don't know what faith really is. It's just all fake in your head like it is for most everybody, and you are just another selfish person who claims they follow the faith of Christianity, but never practice it.

You are just in a right-wing religious political camp. You make remarks that Nancy Pelosi is anti-religious as if she and other Democrats are not religious or Christian.

Nancy Pelosi is very much a full believing and practicing Christian. She has publicly spoken about her beliefs and says she prays and even says she prays to Jesus to help George Bush (when Bush was the President).

Like many Democrats, she is very much a Christian as yourself.

But your version of Christianity is completely warped. Because you believe that you have to be politically Conservative in order to be a true Christian.

Believing in Christianity is bad enough, but going a step to even including that you have to be in the Conservative Political Camp and Christian is melding a dangerous ideology.

You speak about 99% or other 90% of the people in the USA or NFL are all devote Christians is all a farce too. There are very few people in the world who are completely devote and faithful Christians and nobody from the NFL or even yourself is one of them.

If you truly believe in Jesus and Christian faith and believe that God has purpose for your life and guides you or its Gods will, then when ever you are sick or hurt you shouldn't go to the doctor or hospital, because you have to put faith in God that he will heal you. And only a very few people in the world have that strong of a belief in the Christian God to do that. Most everybody else who say they are Christian are posers.

So next time some big linebacker smacks the hell out of Tebow, if Tebow was so strong in his faith, he would believe it was Gods will that he was hit and he should refuse any medical treatment, because God will heal him if it is God will for him to be healed. But I bet Tebow won't do that. So he is just a poser in my mind.

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quote Originally posted by avengador1: Stop cliffw from bashing me ...

Your state department reference used wcd and wce, both Christian references as their sources. Mine came from wikipedia. 83% any religion, 60-76% Christian. I know that wikipedia is not a scientific source, but your numbers are way off. Agnosticism and atheism are both in growth spurts. Some people are actually questioning and thinking for themselves instead of just absorbing what they are fed by faith based groups. Faith requires absolutely zero proof. 90% is absolutely, unequivitely wrong.

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quote Originally posted by Wichita: You're right that most people who don't jock sniff football do not know who Tebow is. But you are completely wrong that the so called "left-wing media" is hating on Tebow because he is religious. 95% of the Media, Hollywood, or whatever, completely ignored Tebow because they don't care, like most of the Nation doesn't. The only reason this became a "Story of the Week", is because ESPN and other Sport Talk host were bagging on Tebow on how terrible he was as a quarterback and how he was a sloppy passer and etc. As far as all the starting quarterbacks in the NFL, Tebow ranks way down in the bottom in 24th place out of 34. Broncos lost 7 games. So basically he is mediocre. But ESPN and other Sport Talk Host gave him a bit of credit for a couple of games the Broncos won for stepping up for 4th quarter turnaround wins. Tebow in his press conference basically made it all about his Christian belief. Then Christian radio, TV, Rush Limbaugh and the likes started making Tebow out as some star role model and a great quarterback and that he should be ranked out there as one of the best. The Christian community followed by giving him huge support for a fan base and watching Bronco games because he was so publicly hyper Christian. Now that he lost a few games, he is fizzling as the current event news of the week and soon will be forgotten. Only the Hyper Christians are still trying to pump him up or make the story last by saying the left hates him. Bill Maher made a funny remark because he is a comedian who comments always on current events. Other than that I don't see anybody else caring. Here is your problem Mr. 82-T/A. You don't know what faith really is. It's just all fake in your head like it is for most everybody, and you are just another selfish person who claims they follow the faith of Christianity, but never practice it. You are just in a right-wing religious political camp. You make remarks that Nancy Pelosi is anti-religious as if she and other Democrats are not religious or Christian. Nancy Pelosi is very much a full believing and practicing Christian. She has publicly spoken about her beliefs and says she prays and even says she prays to Jesus to help George Bush (when Bush was the President). Like many Democrats, she is very much a Christian as yourself. But your version of Christianity is completely warped. Because you believe that you have to be politically Conservative in order to be a true Christian. Believing in Christianity is bad enough, but going a step to even including that you have to be in the Conservative Political Camp and Christian is melding a dangerous ideology. You speak about 99% or other 90% of the people in the USA or NFL are all devote Christians is all a farce too. There are very few people in the world who are completely devote and faithful Christians and nobody from the NFL or even yourself is one of them. If you truly believe in Jesus and Christian faith and believe that God has purpose for your life and guides you or its Gods will, then when ever you are sick or hurt you shouldn't go to the doctor or hospital, because you have to put faith in God that he will heal you. And only a very few people in the world have that strong of a belief in the Christian God to do that. Most everybody else who say they are Christian are posers. So next time some big linebacker smacks the hell out of Tebow, if Tebow was so strong in his faith, he would believe it was Gods will that he was hit and he should refuse any medical treatment, because God will heal him if it is God will for him to be healed. But I bet Tebow won't do that. So he is just a poser in my mind.

Don't take this the wrong way, but I only breifly skimmed what you said because really, none of it applies to me. Your response would better correlate to a hard-core evangelical, not myself. I also don't really care what you believe the correct version of Christianity is either, nor do I care what others worship or believe in.

As far as football goes, the Tim Tebow bagging didn't just start a week ago, shows how incredibly little you actually know about football (even less than myself, which is quite sad because if I'm honest, I could care less about football other than my NFL pension). The Tim Tebow bagging has been going on for over 4 years now, FYI... it didn't just start a couple of weeks ago. Don't talk about something you know so little about.

It seems to me that this is "your" problem, not the rest of the worlds. I'm not here to preach to you, I just can't help myself in arguments that involve football or statistics... and if I'm honest, I know how much you wish the world wasn't religious. I'm kind of a dick like this, but every once in a while, I kind of feed off your negativity. It kind of lifts me when I see you helplessly plead to the rest of Pennocks why we shouldn't support this or that religion. I'll try to stop feeding you, but I do sometimes enjoy seeing you get going.

quote Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: As far as football goes, the Tim Tebow bagging didn't just start a week ago, shows how incredibly little you actually know about football (even less than myself, which is quite sad because if I'm honest, I could care less about football other than my NFL pension). The Tim Tebow bagging has been going on for over 4 years now, FYI... it didn't just start a couple of weeks ago. Don't talk about something you know so little about.

You're right that I don't follow closely to football. It isn't much my thing. But I didn't say that Tim Tebow was last week, nor that the bagging on him was just a few weeks ago. I just said his hyper Christian faith was just a story of the week. I didn't say last week.

Yeah! You just skimmed over what I wrote and put everything out of context. Typical.

But other than that. I'm right about mine.

I do find is a very common and predictable remarkes that always come from Christians who defend themselves by saying "I don't care what people believe in", when it is a Christian's duty to convert none believers. More proof of selective and selfish poser Christian beliefs.

Have fun and Happy New Years besides that. To me, I can say, it doesn't matter what you believe in and be honest. Because it doesn't. I like having the discussion, but it doesn't do much but help me solidify myself and my understanding that religion is all poopoo.

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quote Originally posted by Wichita: But I didn't say that Tim Tebow was last week, nor that the bagging on him was just a few weeks ago. I just said his hyper Christian faith was just a story of the week. I didn't say last week.

It's kind of funny how you went back and put this into quotes...

quote The only reason this became a "Story of the Week", is because ESPN and other Sport Talk host were bagging on Tebow on how terrible he was as a quarterback and how he was a sloppy passer and etc.

You talk more about Jesus Christ and God and Religion than any other person I've EVER met... I'm dead serious.

quote Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: So we're clear... 90.6% of the US population is of one form or another, Christian (includes non-denominational, Mormon, Mennenite, Jehova's Witness) according to the latest 2007 estimates. Blacks, which we can admit make up the majority of the NFL, are even more religious than whites. The most religiously devout ethnicity or race in the United States, are blacks, and they are almost exclusively Christian, even though you hear a lot about "The Nation", the FACT is that some 86% of blacks identify themselves exclusively as "Christian" which doesn't even include the percentage of non-denominational. Blacks are on whole, about 23% more religious than whites. In addition to the FACT that every team has a preacher (at least one, some have more than one), and that they pray before every game, both in the locker room, and on the field before a game starts, and because some even go out into the endzone before the player introductions and pray... you have an even larger percentage of evangelically motivated Christians in the NFL than you do in other places. You have absolutely NO foundation with which to base your claims, simply a disbelief. I've lived and breathed the NFL for over 6 years. I've seen Bill Parcells nutsack as he clipped his toenails by the sink, naked, while he talked to me about penalty and advance reports. I know way more about the NFL than I ever cared to know about, I'm not even really that interested in football. I'm way more interested in Hockey. But it is what it is. Like it, hate it, whatever... those are facts. Oh, and Cliff and Avengador... what do I have to do to get you guys to kiss and make up? Name it... if you want me to sleep in a OWS tent and take a picture, I'll do it... Todd EDIT: Would like to add here that it seems that white liberals are the least religious in the United States (of any religion). They are also the only people that seem to think they know what's best for everyone else on this planet.

Just because a sports team has a Pastor proves nothing either. Look, I'm not trying to be antagonistic, and I believe I mentioned that this is my belief. But just because you worked for NFL teams doesn't mean you know any more if someone is a Christian, than I do. I think it's a huge stretch to say 99% of the NFL is Christian. With as many criminals as there are in the NFL, and their behavior that is flaunted on every gossip rag TV show or Sportcenter, there is no way that 99% of the NFL is Christian. I see with my eyes, and I'm not foolish enough to think , just because someone checked Christian on a survey, or attends a weekly pregame prayer, that somehow makes them a Christian. I would love nothing more than this to be true, but it's not. At this point we will just have to agree to disagree, and please take me at my word, that I am not trying to be combative. And you really could have left Bill Parcells testicles out of it.

Jim

Why don't YOU grow up? Better yet, go crawl back into the bottle you crawled out of.

quote Originally posted by jimbolaya: Just because a sports team has a Pastor proves nothing either. Look, I'm not trying to be antagonistic, and I believe I mentioned that this is my belief. But just because you worked for NFL teams doesn't mean you know any more if someone is a Christian, than I do. I think it's a huge stretch to say 99% of the NFL is Christian. With as many criminals as there are in the NFL, and their behavior that is flaunted on every gossip rag TV show or Sportcenter, there is no way that 99% of the NFL is Christian. I see with my eyes, and I'm not foolish enough to think , just because someone checked Christian on a survey, or attends a weekly pregame prayer, that somehow makes them a Christian. I would love nothing more than this to be true, but it's not. At this point we will just have to agree to disagree, and please take me at my word, that I am not trying to be combative. And you really could have left Bill Parcells testicles out of it. Jim

Since when does making it rain at strip clubs, using drugs, and being a jerk mean you can't be Christian? Jesus's best friends were prostitutes, theives, etc.

I know you're not being combative.

quote Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: Since when does making it rain at strip clubs, using drugs, and being a jerk mean you can't be Christian? Jesus's best friends were prostitutes, theives, etc. I know you're not being combative.

And those friends that "were" (past tense) prostitutes , thieves, etc. put their sinful ways behind them when they accepted Jesus into their hearts. One cannot be in the dark, and the light at the same time.

Jim

quote Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: You talk more about Jesus Christ and God and Religion than any other person I've EVER met... I'm dead serious.

That's because I know more about it than probably anybody you ever met.

quote Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: It's kind of funny how you went back and put this into quotes...

What do you mean by "went back"?

You do know you quoted me on your 1st response and that "Story of the Week" is on that. Meaning I never "went back and put into quotes" after you made a remark. Because I cannot edit what you posted.



Now you are a dishonest person. Typical again. Busted and completely discredited. Either you made a serious judgement error or you just lied your butt off.

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quote Originally posted by avengador1: Why don't YOU go crawl back into the bottle you crawled out of.

Why ?

Because it seems like you are enjoying being an ahole a little too much for your own good.

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And the problem is ... ?

Nobody likes someone who's a constant ahole, like you have been as of late. Maybe this is because you are just a mean drunk.

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quote Originally posted by jimbolaya: And those friends that "were" (past tense) prostitutes , thieves, etc. put their sinful ways behind them when they accepted Jesus into their hearts. One cannot be in the dark, and the light at the same time. Jim

Hah, really? What then is the point of confession?

Many people have different views on exactly what it means to be Christian, but just because you think everyone should be totally pure, doesn't mean that they didn't check off the box on the census paper stating otherwise.


Todd

quote Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: Hah, really? What then is the point of confession? Many people have different views on exactly what it means to be Christian, but just because you think everyone should be totally pure, doesn't mean that they didn't check off the box on the census paper stating otherwise. Todd

You do know that the Census doesn't ask about a person or family's religion, right?

We should be calling you Often Wrong 82 T/A.

Then again, many so called Christians never read the Bible, yet call it the pure word of God and the accurate history of man kind and that we should follow everything in what the Bible tells us. But they have never read it cover to cover.

But many Christians don't thigh, don't keep the sabbath and really don't have any real faith in Jesus, but only as a front so they can appear to be a faith person.

It really just boils down to that most people are betas and there are only a few alphas in our population. Most people are sheep and have no concept of independent and free will thought process.

Versions and selective Christianity is one thing, but ignoring the Bible for which the Christian Faith is 100% based on, I say doesn't make you Christian at all. It's a weak poser nothingness that has a sprinkle of Jesus just so you can feel righteous without having to personally sacrifice or make any effort.

quote Originally posted by Wichita: You do know that the Census doesn't ask about a person or family's religion, right? We should be calling you Often Wrong 82 T/A. Then again, many so called Christians never read the Bible, yet call it the pure word of God and the accurate history of man kind and that we should follow everything in what the Bible tells us. But they have never read it cover to cover. But many Christians don't thigh, don't keep the sabbath and really don't have any real faith in Jesus, but only as a front so they can appear to be a faith person. It really just boils down to that most people are betas and there are only a few alphas in our population. Most people are sheep and have no concept of independent and free will thought process. Versions and selective Christianity is one thing, but ignoring the Bible for which the Christian Faith is 100% based on, I say doesn't make you Christian at all. It's a weak poser nothingness that has a sprinkle of Jesus just so you can feel righteous without having to personally sacrifice or make any effort.

Census is a word. The government takes lots of census on a variety of topics, both from the Census Bureau, and from other departments and organizations.

I have such morbid curiosity for your religion. I think about God now and then, pray to him when I want someone to get better, etc. But talking about religion and God is something that consumes you on an almost continuous basis. I cannot imagine anything in my life that is so ill-consuming to me as religion is to you. The only other thing I can possibly think of that I think about on a regular basis are boobs. You talk about religion constantly, you think about it constantly... it consumes you... it exists in every fiber of your being, but not in a positive way, but in a hatred way. I can't imagine being you... just looking at the stuff you write makes me so uncomfortable at the thought of ever being like you. Not because you want to paint me as a fundamentalist (even though half my family is gay, I support gay adoption, believe in Evolution, and never proselytize), but because you are so addicted towards your funamental concept of religion... it's scary. You must be a member of dozens of religious athiest message boards. What's even more weird to me is the fact that you told me a while back that you actually go to church on a regular basis, yet your life is so consumed with trying to disprove it. I can't imagine myself ever being in any kind of an addictive lifestyle such as yours. I mean, I hate the KKK, but I don't go to their rallies. I played Ultima Online back in the day for 2 weeks straight, and it freaked me out how addictive it was, so I never played it again. Yet, this is basically how you live your life day in and day out. I very rarely pray, but I promise to pray for you in hopes you'll overcome your addiction.

quote Originally posted by Wichita: Then again, many so called Christians never read the Bible, yet call it the pure word of God and the accurate history of man kind and that we should follow everything in what the Bible tells us. But they have never read it cover to cover.

You shouldn't worry about what the many say. They don't have to walk in your shoes.

quote Originally posted by avengador1: Nobody likes someone who's a constant ahole, like you have been as of late. Maybe this is because you are just a mean drunk.

I ain't worried about it. Only the douchebags and mental midgets complain.

quote Originally posted by cliffw: You shouldn't worry about what the many say. They don't have to walk in your shoes.

Just trying to help these people see the light.

I wouldn't worry, but so many of the "many" try to dictate how the others should live and they use the force of government to do so.

People say they want the government out of the way, with the exception of making abortion illegal, forced prayers in schools, deporting economic refugees, banning the teaching of evolution. Injecting the Bible and Creationism as forms of study in public school and the list goes on.

So much about wanting government out of the way.

These are the nuts that are now the majority trying to decide which Republican Candidate they will select for President of the United States.

quote Originally posted by Cliffw I ain't worried about it. Only the douchebags and mental midgets complain.

So basically anybody that points out something wrong about your behavior is a douchbag or mental midget? Denying one's problems could be a symptom of mental illness. Drug abuse, be it be a legal drug or not, is a not a pretty sight, especially when one's behavior is bordering on psychosic because of this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychosis

quote Psychosis Not to be confused with Psychopathy. For other uses, see Psychosis (disambiguation). Psychosis Classification and external resources Psychosis (from the Greek ψυχή "psyche", for mind/soul, and -ωσις "-osis", for abnormal condition) means abnormal condition of the mind, and is a generic psychiatric term for a mental state often described as involving a "loss of contact with reality". People suffering from psychosis are described as psychotic Main article: Substance-induced psychosis Various psychoactive substances (both legal and illegal) have been implicated in causing, exacerbating, and/or precipitating psychotic states and/or disorders in users. This may be upon intoxication, for a more prolonged period after use, or upon withdrawal. Drugs that can induce psychotic symptoms include amphetamine, caffeine (which can worsen psychotic symptoms in schizophrenia and produce olfactory hallucinations at very high doses in normal volunteers), cannabis, cocaine, desoxypipradrol, dimethyltryptamine, alcohol (ethanol), inhalants, gammahydroxybutyric acid (and its precursors gammabutyrolactone and 1,4-butanediol), ketamine, LSD, mephedrone and methcathinone, mescaline and other phenethylamine hallucinogens, methamphetamine, MDMA (very rarely), opiates such as heroin, phencyclidine, piperazine-based drugs, psilocybin, and anabolic steroids at high doses.[9]

Alcohol abuse
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol_abuse

quote Definitions Alcohol abuse is a pattern of drinking that results in harm to one’s health, interpersonal relationships, or ability to work. According to Gelder, Mayou & Geddes (2005) alcohol abuse is linked with suicide. They state the risk of suicide is high in older men who have a history of drinking, also if a person is suffering from depression. Certain manifestations of alcohol abuse include failure to fulfill responsibilities at work, school or home; drinking in dangerous situations, such as while driving; legal problems associated with alcohol use; and continued drinking despite problems that are caused or worsened by drinking. Alcohol abuse can lead to alcohol dependence.[3] Alcohol abuse has both short-term and long-term risks. If a person has driven while drunk or regularly binge drinks (more than 5 standard drinks in one drinking session), they are considered to have been involved in alcohol abuse. Short-term abuses of alcohol include, but are not limited to, violence, injuries, unprotected sexual activities and additionally social and financial problems.[2] Symptoms & Signs Symptoms are the defining characteristic of alcohol abuse and are reviewed above in Definitions. Patient will often complain of difficulty with interpersonal relationships, problems at work or school, and legal problems. Additionally patients do complain of irritability and insomnia. Signs of alcohol abuse are related to alcohol's effects on organ systems. However, while these findings are often present, they are not necessary to make a diagnosis of alcohol abuse. Signs of alcohol's effects on the central nervous system acutely include inebriation and poor judgment; chronic anxiety, irritability, and insomnia often feature. Alcohol's effects on the liver include elevated liver function tests (classically AST is at least twice as high as ALT). Prolonged use leads to cirrhosis and failure of the liver. With cirrhosis patients develop an inability to process hormones and toxins. The skin of a patient with alcoholic cirrhosis can feature cherry angiomas, palmar erythema and - in fulminent liver failure - jaundice and ascities. The derrangements of the endocrine system lead to gynecomastia. Inability to process toxins leads to hepatic encephalopathy. Binge drinking is associated with individuals reporting fair to poor health compared to non-binge drinking individuals and which may progressively worsen over time.[4] Binge drinking is associated with alcohol poisoning, unintentional injuries, suicide, hypertension, pancreatitis, sexually transmitted diseases, and meningitis, among other disorders. Other negative consequences include social costs (including interpersonal violence), drunk driving, and lost economic productivity. Impairments in neurophysiological and neurocognitive function can result from binge drinking. A substantial proportion of alcohol-related deaths are due to binge drinking. Children aged 16 and under who consume alcohol heavily display symptoms of conduct disorder. It's symptoms include troublesome behaviour in school, constantly lying, learning disabilities and social impairments.[6]

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Watching the game and Tebow is 3 for 12 deep in the third of a playoff game, and 10 plays for negative yardage??? Can you say "One of these teams does not belong in the playoffs?" Score right now? 42-7, Patriots.

The QB option is (again) officially dead in the NFL. Find a new play, one trick "pony". No matter who plays the Broncos will have a "spy" linebacker from now on.

Good for Tim, he's a nice guy and he's got strong faith. Perhaps his pro game will get better as time goes on, but as I said before, I don't think much of his pro-qb ability. I'd let him date my daughter, just not start on Sundays.

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Tebow=Salty Teabag

Why did God let Tebow lose today?

quote Originally posted by Wichita: Why did God let Tebow lose today?

Penalty for self glorifying religious exhibitionism.

Jesus and football. We have arrived.

quote Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: Since when does making it rain at strip clubs, using drugs, and being a jerk mean you can't be Christian? Jesus's best friends were prostitutes, theives, etc.

I see and talk to many a "Christian" as you have discribed above.
But I ain't buying it.
Do you know how easy it would be for me to claim to be a Christian, and then just go about doing whatever I want and then just claim that "God understands that I ain't perfect"?
And just go on doing what I do.

But I will not becouse that is just a lie to use God to make me appear rightous to others.

quote Originally posted by Wichita: Then again, many so called Christians never read the Bible, yet call it the pure word of God and the accurate history of man kind and that we should follow everything in what the Bible tells us. But they have never read it cover to cover. But many Christians don't thigh, don't keep the sabbath and really don't have any real faith in Jesus, but only as a front so they can appear to be a faith person. It's a weak poser nothingness that has a sprinkle of Jesus just so you can feel righteous without having to personally sacrifice or make any effort.

quote Originally posted by Wichita: People say they want the government out of the way, with the exception of making abortion illegal, forced prayers in schools, deporting economic refugees, banning the teaching of evolution. Injecting the Bible and Creationism as forms of study in public school and the list goes on. So much about wanting government out of the way.

I see it all the time.
Hypocrites.

Although I do not practice Christianity (or anything else), I have come to the conclusion that I am more of a Christian then some of those that actually claim it.