http://www.onenewsnow.com/P...ault.aspx?id=1503986

quote For years, liberals have publicly denounced the disagreement and moral disapproval conservatives have articulated towards various belief systems as "irrational hatred." That's why this Tebow situation offers a teachable moment that conservatives should not let pass by. While resisting the urge to condone and embrace destructive beliefs and behavior is not irrational nor hateful, impugning millions of faithful Christians by suggesting that they will torch mosques and exile immigrants just because a football player leads his team to victory is both. What causes it? Given that Tebow has preached no sermon, written no scathing op-ed blasting the practice of abortion, taken no public stand on the issue of gay marriage nor endorsed the eventual presidential nominee of the Republican Party, the only plausible explanation for such absurdity is that he dares to boldly utter the name of Christ, unreserved and unashamed. If that be not bigotry, the word has no meaning. If liberals want a real reason to despise Tim Tebow, it should be because his mere presence in the national spotlight has pulled the veil off of their seething and self-evident anti-Christian bigotry.

Read the rst of the article at the link.

who the hell is Tim Tebow? is he a NFL player or something, it said he played football.. And how has he exposed anything, when the article says he has... done and said nothing.. ?

Or maby its just more Christians whining cause people are picking on them these days? A few thousand years of treating different minded people like crap will do that to your reputation.. Of course Christians arent the only religion guilty of this throughout history, pretty much all are guilty of it at some point in their historys, some more than others.. Which is why they all suck..

I take it you didn't read the article.

quote Originally posted by Jonesy: Or maby its just more Christians whining cause people are picking on them these days? A few thousand years of treating different minded people like crap will do that to your reputation.. Of course Christians arent the only religion guilty of this throughout history, pretty much all are guilty of it at some point in their historys, some more than others.. Which is why they all suck..

I hope you include Aethism in the "they all suck"... /cough Pol Pot... /cough /cough Mao...

quote Originally posted by Jonesy: [snip]

Is there no sunshine at all where you live?
Sounds like a dark and gloomy place.

quote Originally posted by Khw: I hope you include Aethism in the "they all suck"... /cough Pol Pot... /cough /cough Mao...

yup, that one sucks too.. And i never said i was an Aethiest, did I?

It's just that a world where everybody sucks b ecause every group has a few bad apples sounds like throwing out the baby with the bath water. And nobody has a right to "whine" about injustice because they're as guilty as the next guy? Where would society be today if that had always been the rule?

quote Originally posted by Jonesy: yup, that one sucks too.. And i never said i was an Aethiest, did I?

Nope you sure did not and I didn't assume you where. Just Aethism is not a "Religion" according to some and it gets on my nerves when people blame killings on "Religion" when Aethism has some rather massive casualty numbers of it's own.

quote Originally posted by avengador1: I take it you didn't read the article.

Nope i read it, and i stand by my statement.. I admit iv never heard of this Tebow fella, as i dont follow football.. But the article talks about how he was getting trashed for being a devout christian.. Again i admit i dont follow football, so iv never heard anything about a Christian football player being criticized for his Christian beliefs, and i watch the news daily, so it must not have been that big a deal, yet heres an article where someone is whining over it.. And naturally is a conservative whining about the left.. Because the conservatives are all so well known for their tolerance of "different" people.. Mitt Romney is a prime example, hes a conservative, but hes a Mormon, which isnt Christian, which at least in this country it seems, isnt good enough for the conservative crowd.

So yes i read it, and stand by my statement.. I guess i singled out Christianity a little bit, sorry about that, but it was what the article was focused on.. Im not biased against Christianity at all, i think it sucks just the same as the other religions of this world..

But kudos to Tebow for all his hard work "exposing the left's religious bigotry".. Cause we all know the Right is perfect.. <---- see i can do it too!

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I think Tebow sucks from a football fan perspective. He does not have the ability to do his job properly, and I believe Denver made a HUGE mistake wasting a first round pick on obvious third round talent. Does he win games? Not really... his kicker andf defense are usually the culprits. But because Tim has national following among Christians, any criticisma of him must ACTUALLY be a criticism of his religion, I suppose. Guess what? His religion has nothing to do with the fact that he went 2 for 8 in the first half of last week's game. No, he just sucks in general, not because of his religion.

Any other criticisms about his personal life are not mine to make, but to put it in context, I pray in a closet. Maybe Tim should give it a shot (like Jesus said in Sermon on the Mount) and he won't receive all the backlash from his, shall we say "overzealous", public religious displays on national TV.

Or..watch this

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quote Originally posted by tbone42: I think Tebow sucks from a football fan perspective. He does not have the ability to do his job properly, and I believe Denver made a HUGE mistake wasting a first round pick on obvious third round talent. Does he win games? Not really... his kicker andf defense are usually the culprits. But because Tim has national following among Christians, any criticisma of him must ACTUALLY be a criticism of his religion, I suppose. Guess what? His religion has nothing to do with the fact that he went 2 for 8 in the first half of last week's game. No, he just sucks in general, not because of his religion. Any other criticisms about his personal life are not mine to make, but to put it in context, I pray in a closet. Maybe Tim should give it a shot (like Jesus said in Sermon on the Mount) and he won't receive all the backlash from his public religious displays on national TV.

Well if he does all that praying before games, and he still sucks that bad, if there is a God, he has a weird sense of humor.. lol.

But to get back to my views on religions, i want to comment on Jesus.. I personally think Jesus was a really great man.. He had alot of really good ideas about how people should tolerate each other, especially during the time he was alive. Civilization was in anarchy with religious wars, and people treating one another very poorly to say the least. But i think many of his ideas where lost or skewed because of the religion that was created around him.. Of course the Bible does say that he walked around claiming to be the son of god, which in this day and age would be considered freakin crazy.. But thats what a book says, a book that was written long after his death, mostly by people who didnt even witness anything he did or said. So i take anything written in that book with a grain of salt.. Cause i think even back then, someone walking around claiming to be god would be seen as freakin crazy.. Which leads me to believe Jesus wasent like that at all.. But he did challenge the status quo, and for the reigning religious super power (Romans) that was a big no no.. So they killed him. Which is no different that what Christians did too others once the Romans fell and they took over.. All the worlds religions are guilty of this at some point in time, some even right now.. (Radical Muslims)

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quote Originally posted by Jonesy: Well if he does all that praying before games, and he still sucks that bad, if there is a God, he has a weird sense of humor.. lol.

Every NFL team has a team prayer leader, most players are Christian. They are all praying for a "W", practically. God is busy on Sundays with people who are actually in church, I imagine.

quote Originally posted by tbone42: Every NFL team has a team prayer leader, most players are Christian. They are all praying for a "W", practically. God is busy on Sundays with people who are actually in church, I imagine.

I would hope so, then again, if God has a few bucks on the game, i would understand him taking time to watch it.

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quote Originally posted by tbone42: ... Any other criticisms about his personal life are not mine to make, but to put it in context, I pray in a closet. Maybe Tim should give it a shot (like Jesus said in Sermon on the Mount) and he won't receive all the backlash from his, shall we say "overzealous", public religious displays on national TV. ...

Mark 8:38, mirrored in Luke 9:26: "For if anyone is ashamed of me and my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man will also be ashamed of him 59 when he comes in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.”

It's OK for Bill Maher to tweet crap about Tebow and to make fun of religion in general. It's OK for Atheists in Wisconsin to sue Texans for a creche in their own town. But it's not OK to thank God publicly for your talent and achievement. It's OK for Christians to pray in their churches, so long as that's the only place, and they pay taxes on it. Everyone's entitled to an opinion, except for people who believe.

Yes, we need our quiet time, but Christianity is not what it is because twelve guys kept it close to the vest.

As a Pats fan (!) I recognize a couple of things: Tebow is good for Christianity - he puts it out there; he's not ashamed of it and, playing at the highest level, he has thus far lived up to the moniker "role model." Certainly better than sparkly vampires and spoiled basketball players. Tebow is also good for football. People are watching. His games are events, even when he loses. People who don't watch football are watching football. I don't mind Tebow at all, as the competition or as a brother.

quote Originally posted by Patrick's Dad: Mark 8:38, mirrored in Luke 9:26: "For if anyone is ashamed of me and my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man will also be ashamed of him 59 when he comes in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.” It's OK for Bill Maher to tweet crap about Tebow and to make fun of religion in general. It's OK for Atheists in Wisconsin to sue Texans for a creche in their own town. But it's not OK to thank God publicly for your talent and achievement. It's OK for Christians to pray in their churches, so long as that's the only place, and they pay taxes on it. Everyone's entitled to an opinion, except for people who believe. Yes, we need our quiet time, but Christianity is not what it is because twelve guys kept it close to the vest. As a Pats fan (!) I recognize a couple of things: Tebow is good for Christianity - he puts it out there; he's not ashamed of it and, playing at the highest level, he has thus far lived up to the moniker "role model." Certainly better than sparkly vampires and spoiled basketball players. Tebow is also good for football. People are watching. His games are events, even when he loses. People who don't watch football are watching football. I don't mind Tebow at all, as the competition or as a brother.

I know your not responding to me, but i wanted to comment.. I agree with you 100%.. While i am not for organized religion of any kind (for myself) i believe strongly that anyone has the right to practice their chosen religion. Basically anywhere at any time.

Well you know, as long as it doesn't get in the way.. Don't want people kneeling down in traffic to pray or anything, lol..

But seriously, nobody should condemn him for his beliefs, and i believe that, even if i don't believe what he believes. But if your going to put yourself out there, and be known for your strong religious beliefs, then you better make sure you live up to them.. Iv read a few articles about Tebow while discussing this topic, and so far, he seems to be doing that.. Seems like an all around good person. (so far) Regardless of his religion or football of playing ability. Of course those who show themselves as the poster child of good, usually tend to have the most skeletons in the closet.. So we'll just have to wait and see if hes the real deal.. Already read one article about him getting busted for Cocaine at a bar or something like that.. But that doesn't mean its true.. I would need to see a police report or something to believe it.

Anyway, it was an interesting discussion.. Hope i didn't offend any of the "faithful" people of the forum.. But im just posting my opinion.. Just like all of you.. And since most of you seem to be Christian, and Christians claim to be tolerant of others, then you have no problem tolerating me and my beliefs right? Thought so.

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quote Originally posted by Cheever3000: It's just that a world where everybody sucks b ecause every group has a few bad apples sounds like throwing out the baby with the bath water. And nobody has a right to "whine" about injustice because they're as guilty as the next guy? Where would society be today if that had always been the rule?

I sometimes wonder if there were just two men (not people, men) left on earth together.
Would they live out their natural lives working together?
Or would one of them eventually kill the other?

And then I remember Lord of the Flies, and I have my answer.

Yeah, and being a private person is not the same thing as being ashamed.

quote Originally posted by Patrick's Dad: Mark 8:38, mirrored in Luke 9:26: "For if anyone is ashamed of me and my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man will also be ashamed of him 59 when he comes in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.” It's OK for Bill Maher to tweet crap about Tebow and to make fun of religion in general. It's OK for Atheists in Wisconsin to sue Texans for a creche in their own town. But it's not OK to thank God publicly for your talent and achievement. It's OK for Christians to pray in their churches, so long as that's the only place, and they pay taxes on it. Everyone's entitled to an opinion, except for people who believe. Yes, we need our quiet time, but Christianity is not what it is because twelve guys kept it close to the vest. As a Pats fan (!) I recognize a couple of things: Tebow is good for Christianity - he puts it out there; he's not ashamed of it and, playing at the highest level, he has thus far lived up to the moniker "role model." Certainly better than sparkly vampires and spoiled basketball players. Tebow is also good for football. People are watching. His games are events, even when he loses. People who don't watch football are watching football. I don't mind Tebow at all, as the competition or as a brother.

As a Pat's fan, your bound for the devil's house, anyhow.

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tbone, I'm not knocking private faith. Moments spent by oneself with the Lord can be some of the most instructive and fulfilling, as He talks with us One on one. Most of the noise about Tebow is that he comes right out there and gives credit where credit is due.

As for being a hater, three superbowl rings, two MVPs and a supermodel wife. Yeah, I'd hate him, too.

Jonesy, tolerance goes both ways, and I feel it coming, so it'll continue going. There are many here on the Forum who are virulently against any faith, as well as some who are simply against anyone who has a Judeo/Christian faith. I have a problem with those who don't practice the tolerance that they preach.

Boonie, if there are only two men left on earth, they'll die, anyway.

quote Originally posted by Jonesy: Anyway, it was an interesting discussion.. Hope i didn't offend any of the "faithful" people of the forum.. But im just posting my opinion.. Just like all of you.. And since most of you seem to be Christian, and Christians claim to be tolerant of others, then you have no problem tolerating me and my beliefs right? Thought so.

No problem from me. I have my beleif and I'd venture to say it's like politics. I don't think the Dems or the Repubs have it all right, and I don't think the Catholics, Baptists, 7th Day Adventists, LDS, Methodists or any of the myriad other Christian based religions have it all right. Can I find common ground with them? I'm sure I can, but I doubt any one of them would match exactly what I beleive (and if one does I haven't found it yet).

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quote Originally posted by avengador1: While resisting the urge to condone and embrace destructive beliefs and behavior is not irrational nor hateful, impugning millions of faithful Christians by suggesting that they will torch mosques and exile immigrants just because a football player leads his team to victory is both.

What kind of are you spouting, ?

quote Originally posted by avengador1: I take it you didn't read the article.

Like that tease would entice anyone, .

quote Originally posted by Boondawg: I sometimes wonder if there were just two men (not people, men) left on earth together. Would they live out their natural lives working together? Or would one of them eventually kill the other? And then I remember Lord of the Flies, and I have my answer.

If it was two men and a woman, then I think you would be right. But with just two men, I think it could go either way.

Tebow has exposed nothing. The far left has just chosen to reveal themselves for what they are. Tebow has done nothing, but be himself. I agree with T-Bone on one point, I don't think he's very good talent wise. At least not for long term success. His attitude and moxy is what I like, and that is what is getting him his success, but as I said in another thread somewhere, he is just a flash in the pan. Simply put, God doesn't care if the Packers or Broncos or whomever win the Super Bowl. There are Christians on every team. God works to the good for all that love him, and for some that may mean being on a losing team. Tebow just doesn't hide his love for God, and that irritates a lot of people, and for no just reason.

Jim

quote Originally posted by avengador1: I take it you didn't read the article.

I can only speak for myself, but my problem with your cut and paste has traditionally been that you post not enough information, not too much. Too often, yes, but your posts traditionally take the form of an opinion piece posted as journalism, and not a word from you about your own personal beliefs and your own defense or challenge of the opinion. Quite simply, you are baiting. Posting less information, as has been you more recent trend, by posting a brief out of context snippet just leads the sheeple to automatically swallow your bait and join in with pitchforks and torches, or howl in protest. Which is fine, I suppose, as subtler opinions are largely ignored in the midst of the rabble.

I post less because people were complaining that I posted too much. I know there is no happy medium for the regular complainers, there also is no need for me to post an opinion if I don't want to post one or think it isn't needed. I usually do write one when I feel it is neccesary.
Most of the articles I post are interesting to me. I decided to share them so that others would be informed, amused, and even irked.

quote Originally posted by tbone42: Every NFL team has a team prayer leader, most players are Christian. They are all praying for a "W", practically. God is busy on Sundays with people who are actually in church, I imagine.

Well, at least until kickoff....then it's "Game ON!!"

quote Originally posted by WhiteDevil88: Quite simply, you are baiting.

Wrong Jeff, he is masterbaiting, for attention. I bet his post count gives him an orgasm. Have you noticed his posts ? If he don't get enough hits/comments, you would think we aren't interested in his post. He will bump his own post to get attention.

quote Originally posted by WhiteDevil88: ... your posts traditionally take the form of an opinion piece ...

Your wrong again Jeff. Veggiedor told us, . Think about it Jeff. They are his opinions. Oh sure, he justifies them by saying that he thinks that we would be interested in other posted opinions his opinion, but that is just not so. You know what they say. "Opinions are like azzholes". Everyone has one and he claims he thinks we are interested in every azzhole he smells, .
Check this gem out.

quote Originally posted by avengador1: ... there also is no need for me to post an opinion if I don't want to post one or think it isn't needed.

Heh, if you believed his logic, why would he not want to post one ? He claims that it is just for our interest yet says he wouldn't do it if it wasn't needed, .
Fact is, he is a mental midget. A dishonest one at that. He buys into all these azzhole's he comes across yet is scared to defend them. Fact is, is that he can not think for himself so he uses us to debate and rationalize the azzholes.

quote Originally posted by avengador1: I post less because people were complaining that I posted too much.

Do you need some money from me so you can buy a clue, or reading comprehension classes. I will have to get a loan from the bank for enough money to help you get some common sense.
How come no one complains that maryjane posts too much ? No Veggiedoor, they did not complain that you posted too much. You say you like to read. Go back and read all your boring posts and you will see that the complaint was that you would make up a National Enquirer like thread title and cut and paste the whole article, with zero feedback from you as to why you thought we would be interested in you boring us and why you thought it was worth the waste of Cliff's bandwidth. The cutting and pasting of the whole article was the objection to posting too much. Too much crap, Veggiedoor.

quote Originally posted by avengador1: Most of the articles I post are interesting to me.

Gee ! Look at the shiny object. Are you a blond Veggiedoor ?

quote Originally posted by avengador1: I decided to share them so that others would be informed ...

Informed, , ? Do you really think we read the crap that you post, ?

quote Originally posted by avengador1: I decided to share them so that others would be amused ...

Heh, I am often amused at you stupidity but you are lying. You yourself are amused as you watch us vet the crap you post.

quote Originally posted by avengador1: I decided to share them so that others would be irked.

Ah yes, the generic emoticon, . You post azzhole opinions to irk. What a douchebag.

quote Originally posted by Cliffw You post azzhole opinions to irk. What a douchebag.

I could say the same about you too, douchebag, since you are such an outstanding citizen. Drunk posting doesn't really suit you. Isn't your trial date coming up and shouldn't you be preparing a defense instead of trolling? I bet you certainly are a burden to your wife with this behavior and you call me a douche bag. Take a good, long, hard, look in the mirror.

quote Originally posted by Cliffw I got arrested for public intoxication. A very hard charge to defend against. I did stop at my lake property to evaluate needed care and visit friends and drink beer. Law dog comes up and asks me if he could speak with me. "Yes sir" I say and he asks me if I was the operator of that blue truck. Yeah, right, I tell him it sounds like you are conducting an investigation and that I would like to talk with my attorney. He asks me how many beers I had drank. I told him he would have to ask my lawyer. I was arrested. "Originally posted by Marvin McInnis: ... you've posted several threads on PFF over the past few years concerning problem situations involving you and alcohol ... and usually involving law enforcement, too. " "Originally posted by ls3mach: He has had multiple DUI. Not sure if he beat them though, I didn't follow the threads after people started ripping him." "Originally posted by fierofetish: Cindi must be either very tolerant, or going out of her mind." Both. Pissed off too. She did not like it when I fought the law in Bandera County over loud music resulting in numerous arrests including public intoxication, multiple disorderly conduct charges, resisting arrest, assaulting a police officer, among others. Cindi did not like it when I got a DWI in Live Oak County... Cindi did not like it when I got a DWI in Medina County... Cindi did not like it when I got a DWI here in Kerrville... I have been called a functional alcoholic. My Dad raised me telling me that I would never amount to anything. That I was stupid. When I get off work, I drink beer. It is my right. I enjoy it. I have been hired straight out of a bar. Let me tell you of another Public Intoxication arrest of mine. This one resulted in the only arrest ever of my then girlfriend/present wife, also for public intoxication and resisting arrest. Well, the judge heard the commotion and called the cops. A short while later, I was stopped by said cops while walking, facing oncoming traffic. I was arrested for public intoxication, the endangering reason being that I had stepped inside the line that marks the edge of the road. I was magistrated out from the initial arrest on a $500.00 Personal Recognizance bond, due to show up in court the 21st of July. I did not show up. I wanna be so intimidating with the lying officer, arrogant (showing confidence in myself) in court, and pizzed off that I raise some eyebrows. I am a pissed off mofo. I got my third DW!. WOOO HOOO !

You certainly have a history of alcohol related problems from your own accounts.
https://www.fiero.nl/forum/A...110502-6-047924.html
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quote Originally posted by avengador1: Drunk posting doesn't really suit you. Isn't your trial date coming up and shouldn't you be preparing a defense instead of trolling? I bet you certainly are a burden to your wife with this behavior and you call me a douche bag. Take a good, long, hard, look in the mirror. You certainly have a history of alcohol related problems from your own accounts. https://www.fiero.nl/forum/A...110502-6-047924.html https://www.fiero.nl/forum/F...6/HTML/075841-2.html

Heh, Jazzman was right. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery and Veggiedoor sure is piling it on thick.
Nice touch Veggie, the drunk posting accusation. I am sure everyone believes you, just like they believed Jazzman, like y'all could even know, .

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I think it's hilarious that Tim Tebow is all over the news because he's religious. Are people really this blind? Is no one aware that 99% of NFL players are devout Christians? When I worked for the Miami Dolphins, we used to regularly have prayer in the locker rooms. We have two pastors, one for the coaches and staff, and one specifically just for the players. There are literally hundreds of former players who have become pastors themselves after they retire from the NFL. The Miami Dolphins have two former players who are now pastors in the South Florida area. Every NFL team is like this... has NO ONE noticed that a huge portion of the teams come out onto the field before the game starts (when they're stretching and getting ready) and they all go to their end zone, take a knee, and pray? You wouldn't see this on TV of course because they usually don't show the setup, only after the players have run out... but if you came in to the stadium early from tailgating before the players run out of the locker room, you'd see them taking turns praying at the endzones... this happens in every stadium, at every game.

I think it's so hilarious that the left has gone balls-out over Tim Tebow when they really have absolutely no clue... the NFL is HUGELY Christian... EVERY SINGLE TEAM has their own pastor, and many of the teams have multiple pastors / priests.

Hilarious... you guys should watch MTV Cribs too now and then... whenever they go into an NFL player's house, when they're not talking about their bitches and money, they're tanking Jesus for their success.


Todd

quote Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: I think it's hilarious that Tim Tebow is all over the news because he's religious. Are people really this blind? Is no one aware that 99% of NFL players are devout Christians? When I worked for the Miami Dolphins, we used to regularly have prayer in the locker rooms. We have two pastors, one for the coaches and staff, and one specifically just for the players. There are literally hundreds of former players who have become pastors themselves after they retire from the NFL. The Miami Dolphins have two former players who are now pastors in the South Florida area. Every NFL team is like this... has NO ONE noticed that a huge portion of the teams come out onto the field before the game starts (when they're stretching and getting ready) and they all go to their end zone, take a knee, and pray? You wouldn't see this on TV of course because they usually don't show the setup, only after the players have run out... but if you came in to the stadium early from tailgating before the players run out of the locker room, you'd see them taking turns praying at the endzones... this happens in every stadium, at every game. I think it's so hilarious that the left has gone balls-out over Tim Tebow when they really have absolutely no clue... the NFL is HUGELY Christian... EVERY SINGLE TEAM has their own pastor, and many of the teams have multiple pastors / priests. Hilarious... you guys should watch MTV Cribs too now and then... whenever they go into an NFL player's house, when they're not talking about their bitches and money, they're tanking Jesus for their success. Todd

Your 99% estimate is way off. Please tell me it was hyperbole.

Jim

quote Originally posted by jimbolaya: Your 99% estimate is way off. Please tell me it was hyperbole. Jim

No, it's not hyperbole. I think I speak with authority here, more than anyone else on this board since I have worked in the NFL for over 6 years. Two Super Bowls, a Pro Bowl, had regular contact with the players on a daily basis.

There are several Muslims, but the overwhelming vast majority of the NFL players are Christian.


Todd

quote Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: No, it's not hyperbole.

Perhaps not but I doubt the 99% figure also, and I am a Christian. I would think your 99% figure might be peer pressure acclamations'. We certainly hear about a number of bad boys and, I have known many who played ball (not at the professional level). They were certainly not Christians (some were). I would have to believe that, for a 99% Christian NFL roster, that the NFL only admitted Christians.
Perhaps I am wrong.

quote Originally posted by Cliffw Nice touch Veggie, the drunk posting accusation. I am sure everyone believes you, just like they believed Jazzman, like y'all could even know

From someone who admits to drinking after work and has had all sort of drunken charges made against them, I was just guessing that you were doing this. You seem to have a recurring problem with alcohol consumption that will someday bite you in the ass.
I bet if I took a look in the "only post here if you are drunk" thread, I will find plenty of your drunken pearls of wisdom there. I might even be able to match dates and times with posts you made there with posts in other threads you have made. Could I call those drunken posts then?

quote Originally posted by avengador1: I bet if I took a look in the "only post here if you are drunk" thread, I will find plenty of your drunken pearls of wisdom there. I might even be able to match dates and times with posts you made there with posts in other threads you have made. Could I call those drunken posts then?

Yes you could. Have at it. Report back.

quote Originally posted by cliffw: Perhaps not but I doubt the 99% figure also, and I am a Christian. I would think your 99% figure might be peer pressure acclamations'. We certainly hear about a number of bad boys and, I have known many who played ball (not at the professional level). They were certainly not Christians (some were). I would have to believe that, for a 99% Christian NFL roster, that the NFL only admitted Christians. Perhaps I am wrong.

There are quite a few Muslims and a few Buddhists in the NFL and the NBA, for that matter. I've met a few.

Agreed, if asked I'm certain the majority of players would proclaim their Christianity but why should that surprise anyone in a sport played by predominately Americans from a predominately Christian society?

Nothing wrong with that...but it stands to reason IMO.

With 15 pages in that thread I'm sure to find some of your drunken posts.
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quote Originally posted by Cliffw 07-20-2008 03:35 AM I can't type when I am sober....and you expect me to type when I am drunk 08-01-2008 02:23 AM Who cares, your having a good time 12-05-2009 08:48 AM Heh, I picked up some nog just the other day. The wife said it was too early for nog, . Dang it got expensive since last year 01-01-2010 02:21 AM They call me, ... they call me lampshade. 01-01-2010 02:28 AM I had a treat. Besides some awesome fireworks, my brother in law let me shoot his ball and powder 50 caliber rifle. Me, not savy enough to identify the gun manufacturer or model, but it is a modern firearm. Still had to stuff the barrel though. Cool fun. 01-01-2010 03:15 AM Happy old year Seen it. 'Ya know what ? did you mark this political ? Honestly, I saw that episode and remember it well. Probably seen it a few times. The plot plays out political no matter what side of the aisle you are on. We are screwed when we get on that saucer. And, they prevent us from getting off. Then, we sit there, having to ride it out, to our new destination, where it ends. Not a good ride. Funny thing though. Sort of. People are lining up to get on that saucer. Yeah. Real funny. 01-01-2010 03:19 AM I think I can use that. I like it. 01-01-2010 03:34 AM No, not at all. Do you want to hear about the one when my dog farted ? Didn't think so

If one is to believe the topic of that thread you have 8 drunk postings. I'll match them up with other threads tomorrow.

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quote Originally posted by cliffw: Perhaps not but I doubt the 99% figure also, and I am a Christian. I would think your 99% figure might be peer pressure acclamations'. We certainly hear about a number of bad boys and, I have known many who played ball (not at the professional level). They were certainly not Christians (some were). I would have to believe that, for a 99% Christian NFL roster, that the NFL only admitted Christians. Perhaps I am wrong.

So, I'm exaggerating when I'm saying 99%... but the US population of people who are Christian (of all denominations) is higher than 80%. In the NFL, it would be more like 95%.

The type of people who become NFL players are not what most people think. Less than half of 1% of players who start playing football from high school, become NFL players. To become an NFL player, not only do you have to be good at football, but you also have to exhibit leadership skills, intelligence, etc. The media only talks about the instances where something goes wrong, but they don't tell you about how many NFL players are Rhodes Scholars, or how many of them have degrees (just over half). NFL players, are a strange bunch. These are people who stand out in a crowd. Many of them are from poor areas and picked up by college scouts (or even high school scouts), and a lot of these guys grow up being told that they are great from the very beginning. A lot of these guys don't understand why they're given the opportunities that they do, and often correlate it with God. Granted, the vast majority of NFL players are also Democrat, or liberal, but again, people also think that being Christian is a Republican thing, which is also totally ridiculous. There is a larger percentage of christian minorities than there are christian white people in America. The NFL is very pro-Christian... every football game has a prayer before the game. This is never televised, but it happens usually before the national anthem (which is usually televised). When you have strong personalities like the people you get in the NFL, and then they become ultra-religious, they become almost evangelical to the other players in the NFL who are perhaps... on the fence. With the fact that each team has at the VERY LEAST 1 pastor of their own, many of these guys quickly become religious, if not converted.

I could go on and on, but suffice it to say, I know very well about what I'm talking about.

quote Originally posted by Doni Hagan: There are quite a few Muslims and a few Buddhists in the NFL and the NBA, for that matter. I've met a few. Agreed, if asked I'm certain the majority of players would proclaim their Christianity but why should that surprise anyone in a sport played by predominately Americans from a predominately Christian society? Nothing wrong with that...but it stands to reason IMO.

I can't say about the NBA since I've never worked for an NBA team, but from what I see, it seems like there are a lot more Muslim players than there are in the NFL. Again, my only perception is from the outside and what I've seen on TV... which is no more correct than what you guys have of the NFL from the outside.

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