Unions Seek Revenge: Attempt to Recall Gov. Scott Walker
http://visiontoamerica.org/...ll-gov-scott-walker/
Scott Walker: 'Big Government Unions' Won't Win in Wisconsin
http://www.newsmax.com/Head...al&promo_code=DA03-1

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quote Originally posted by avengador1: Unions Seek Revenge: Attempt to Recall Gov. Scott Walker http://visiontoamerica.org/...ll-gov-scott-walker/ Scott Walker: 'Big Government Unions' Won't Win in Wisconsin http://www.newsmax.com/Head...al&promo_code=DA03-1

How dare those people in Wisconsin exercise their right to vote! Of all the hubris and arrogance! Those people need to put be into their place!

edit spelling, stupid smart phone...

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except if they recall walker they are gonna kill this state. last thing we need is a democrat in here spending us out of our houses. my taxes went up if i remember right 7% even with spending cuts in my school district. (thank you robert wirch the democommie of SE wisconsin) im not against a nice wage or big pensions id also love to feed all the children in africa and cure aids....but WE DONT HAVE THE MONEY. anyone working for the state shouldnt expect to get rich and thats what alot of these people are doing. you always here teachers saying we teach for the kids its not about the money but when its time to cut thier paycheck they cry broke....sound like THEY need to start living within their means.

most teachers i know of make AT MINIMUM 50k a year....what asshat cant live on that? most teachers are in thier 40's at least when i was in highschool they were and i have yet to meet one in their 20's or even 30's so its not like having kids is an issue and ill expand on that to say EVEN IF you had 2 kids 50k is MORE than enough to feed and house them comfortably. at my peak i think i cleared 18k one year and i was rolling in fat bank i paid my cavalier off and bougth tons of **** (guns tv's computers ect) granted im single with no kids but whats 50k after taxs? lets say 30k....if you cant live on 30k with 2 kids assuming your a single parent then you need to sell that cadillac escalade one of your motorcycles and live in a budget like everyone else and stop bitching.

now of course i could be way off here but i think im pretty on base. if walker gets recalled ill be voting for him as unions, while at one time were a good thing, have gotten WAY out of control.

quote Originally posted by Jazzman Off all the hubris and arrogance! Those people need to put into their place!

Brought to you by the same people (unions) that whined "we don't have enough" until they were given an auto manufacturer (stolen property) in return for their vote. Color me surprised.

It amazes me that the left want to vote on everything, and are happy with the ballot process when it works for them. But as soon as the votes go against them, they piss & moan "unfair" and do everything they can to change the outcome until the results are in their favor.

Al Franken lost, oh the noes!! We must recount! We still lost? By how much? Recount! We still lost? By how much? Oh we're getting closer! Recount and "find" the needed votes until we win. We won!! The right wants a recount? Nope, the results are final and no recount is needed and will not be happening.

California takes multiple votes on an issue (both result against the left), just to have a single leftist judge say, nope, I don't agree with it and the people who voted in favor of it don't know what's best for them, but I do.

Go ahead and recall, it's not like it was unexpected.

quote Originally posted by JazzMan: How dare those people in Wisconsin exercise their right to vote! Of all the hubris and arrogance! Those people need to put be into their place!

I don't blame you for thinking THAT is the issue, because you don't live here so don't know what is REALLY going on. And how COULD you? You aren't given a fair chance. Any reporting you would have access to is SO blatantly biased and one sided, they might as well be an advertising arm of the unions.


So here is the REAL story. This recall effort is NOT a grass roots, Wisconsin citizen effort. Neither were the recalls of the state senators. Don't get me wrong, either. There definitely ARE a significant number of Wisconsinites that ARE for a recall of Walker. Because we live in a state that has a sizable, FAR LEFT ultra-liberal and socialist population. And then we also have a sizable welfare state in Wisconsin that likes to team up with those people, because BOTH groups are for larger government giving out more handouts.


But this is PRIMARILY driven by UNIONS. Why? Because of the loss of collective bargaining, right? Well, actually, not really.

NATIONAL unions are coming into Wisconsin and funding efforts to get Walker ousted because it is no longer automatic for employees to contribute to the unions. It isn't the default. People now have to DECIDE if they are going to fund union dues or not. The unions don't care about the people in the unions (primarily). They care about PRESERVING THEMSELVES.

The unions KNOW what happened in Indiana when people had to DECIDE to pay union dues or not. I don't know what the actual number was. But it was like TEN PERCENT. Something astronomically low.


So unions are making sort of a last stand in Wisconsin. They are picking Wisconsin because of the EXTREMELY lax recall laws, that allows them to do it.


NINETY PERCENT of the financial support for state senator recalls and campaigns CAME FROM OUT OF THE STATE. The other reason aside from unions, is the democrats and Obama NEED Wisconsin for him to be re-elected, and if the news REALLY portrays how BENEFICIAL to the state that the conservative measures have been, and ACCURATELY portrays how little the union employees have been affected, people will vote for the republican presidential candidate and Obama won't get those electoral votes.
So you STILL may be in favor of the recalls due to your political bent and beliefs. That's fine. I'm fine with it, too. What I am NOT fine with is that this is NOT a "Wisconsin exercising their rights to vote" issue. It is a bunch of outsiders coming in and trying to do this for their OWN purposes, while we conservatives in Wisconsin have already voted, said what we wanted, and are just trying to be productive citizens and we have to defend ourselves REPEATEDLY from these outsiders.

quote Originally posted by JazzMan: How dare those people in Wisconsin exercise their right to vote! Of all the hubris and arrogance! Those people need to put be into their place! edit spelling, stupid smart phone...

I fully support the people of Wisconsin the right to vote. I am one of them. The problem that we have here with these recall elections is that the recall process is being abused. The people that are trying to recall our Governor are upset with policy decisions....not anything remotely considered misconduct or illegal activity in office. Here in Wisconsin there are no requirements for a recall attempt...just enough signatures. The people behind the recall effort are upset because the Governor and Legislature passed the law that removed most of the collective bargaining privileges that the unions relied on. The last administration raised our taxes......a huge increase. Late at night. No public input. Nothing. Just did it. No recall....we just voted him out of office. Actually, he got so much heat for it he didn't run this time. That's what the elections are for. You don't like a policy decision? Vote him ( her ) out during the normal election cycle. Do something illegal? Misconduct in office? Recall....oust them right away. Earlier this year we had 14 state senators leave the state so they couldn't be compelled to vote. If they had stayed in Wisconsin the State Patrol would have 'arrested them' and taken them to the State Capital. Completely legal. These senators left the state to avoid having to vote on a bill they didn't like.....thus abandoning their jobs. That's misconduct in office. The people that are complaining about the law going into effect are not complaining about them leaving the state....because those senators agreed with them. So, you have a group of individuals that are upset and recalling over a policy decision but not recalling for actual misconduct. Hypocracy.

This whole process is costing the taxpayers a lot of money. Election after election after election. If our Governor is in fact subjecct to a recall election and does win, will they try again next year? Governor Scott Walker was elected to the position by a fair election. He actually kept his promise to balance the budget without raising taxes. He has dramatically improved our state and we are now on a solid fiscal ground. We have a slowly improving business climate and are attracting more business. The economy is in bad shape and our state is doing quite a bit to improve the business climate. Unfortunately we have a group of people that feel that they are immune from the damaging effects of the economy and they will do anything they can to get thier way. It's not right to demand more from the taxpayer that has seen his paycheck cut just so you can retire without paying into the system. Most of these taxpayers don't get a retirement. They may have a 401k but it's not the same as a retirement plan. And those that do have a 401k knows that you have to pay into that and that the money that's in there is heavily affected by the economy..

These recalls are hurting the State of Wisconsin. They are costing us a ton of money. Our Governor has put the state back on fiscal track and balanced the state checkbook. We are in much better shape than last year and now we have to deal with another round of unfair recalls. It's part of the legal process but it isn't right.

Mark

quote Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: What do you define as a working man? I am a computer programmer... but on the weekends, I go to the junkyard, pull engines, do yardwork, landscaping, trimming trees, fixing cars, changing oil, mixing concrete, whatever project to my house or cars or neighbors house and cars that need to be done, I do. Does that make me a working man? I work on a computer for a paycheck, and if I don't get that paycheck, then I'm kind of screwed. I think I'm still a working man. The only benefit that I have is that unemployment in the IT industry is now just over 1% in the US (the only industry in the world that has almost no unemployment). But in 1999-2000 after the tech bubble burst, I didn't have a union, or a favorable market. Unemployment in the IT industry was like over 35%. So yeah... I was unemployed for like 3 months. I don't have the luxury of a union, and I don't necessarily know that I'd want one. I like the idea of being able to advance through hard work... and I think unions would otherwise force me to be stagnant. If' I'm lucky, I would get promotions through the number of years I was there. But personally... I like being able to skip all that bull **** if I want to work really really hard, and get the same kind of bump / promotion in 2 years, that someone less energentic than me would otherwise get in 10 years of tenure.

I guess you never programmed in a "sweat shop" if you did you your probably be more inclined to see the value of unions. However, there is also corruption and outdated policies that lessens their usefullness.

BTW, The "CLOUD" is real. Apple IOS 5 baby.

Finally, working hard dosen't get you the big promotion as readily as the buddy system. Who you know is way more effective than what you know. Don't cha know?

quote Originally posted by JazzMan: How dare those people in Wisconsin exercise their right to vote! Of all the hubris and arrogance! Those people need to put be into their place!

How dare those people who voted expect that their representatives to be in office to vote on the bills put before them. Why did the dumbocrats cut and run. Of all the hubris and arrogance! Those people need to put be into their place!
Oh wait. They were. In the recall elections they brought about. They lost seats.

quote Originally posted by cliffw: How dare those people who voted expect that their representatives to be in office to vote on the bills put before them. Why did the dumbocrats cut and run. Of all the hubris and arrogance! Those people need to put be into their place! Oh wait. They were. In the recall elections they brought about. They lost seats.

Actually, they didn't lose seats. 2 of the Republican senators lost their seats and none of the Democrats. One of the two that lost their recall election lost because they were caught up in a personal issue that doomed them......the other Republican was from a heavy Democratic district and was actually expected to lose because of the issue. There were no suprises, actually. Of course all we heard from the recall people were that the 2 senators that lost were because of the wrath of the taxpayer....not the real reasons for thier departure. Don't let the facts get in the way of the recall people!

quote Originally posted by Firefox: Actually, they didn't lose seats.

Thanks Mark.

Lobe mentioned extremely loose recall laws... get this. The recall organizers are encouraging people to sign the recall petitions numerous times, since it's technically not against the law. Their Orwellian-named "government accountability" board (board of elections, all installed by the previous moonbat governor) will then take a month and spend $600k simply counting the names on the petitions and seeing that all the blanks are filled out. They have explicitly stated they will not weed out names that appear more than once, verify that addresses given actually exist or that names match with addresses, or even out of state addresses. Gov Walker's team then gets 10 days to go through all (likely 700 to 800 thousand) the signatures on their own dime to find all the fraud and dispute it.

Not much point in bothering there; coming up with the needed signatures is a forgone conclusion.

I hope this crap backfires and the court battles resulting from all the petition fraud carry the recall election all the way to the Nov 2012 general elections. Then we'd get to watch the unionistas get stomped all the way from the presidential race down to dog catcher again like they did in the last generals.

I'd download McKenna's podcast that Wednesday and save it just to repeatedly enjoy the gloating !

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quote Originally posted by frontal lobe: ...What I am NOT fine with is that this is NOT a "Wisconsin exercising their rights to vote" issue. It is a bunch of outsiders coming in and trying to do this for their OWN purposes, while we conservatives in Wisconsin have already voted, said what we wanted, and are just trying to be productive citizens and we have to defend ourselves REPEATEDLY from these outsiders.

Uh, so Wisconsin allows non-residents to vote in local elections? Wow, I didn't realize that was the case. Here in Texas, you can bring in all the "outsiders" you want but the only folks that get to actually vote are resident registered voters.

quote Originally posted by nosrac: I guess you never programmed in a "sweat shop" if you did you your probably be more inclined to see the value of unions. However, there is also corruption and outdated policies that lessens their usefullness. BTW, The "CLOUD" is real. Apple IOS 5 baby. Finally, working hard dosen't get you the big promotion as readily as the buddy system. Who you know is way more effective than what you know. Don't cha know?

Hah... that's pretty funny. Sweat shop... I did write software on a mobile pathology unit that didn't have A/C one day.

Honestly, when I worked for the Miami Dolphins after Bill Parcells started running the show, he basically made me work over 620 hours in less than 2 months. Yes... that's a lot of hours. I took off maybe 1 Saturday or Sunday... maybe a day, and they called me all day long asking me where I was. If I didn't get it done, I would have lost my job. I wrote all new scouting, draft, and advance software for them. I was helucinating. I basically came in at 6:00 in the morning, and regularly slept there, or stayed until 1-2 in the AM. I ate, slept, and showered there (when I had time). I hadn't gotten my own office yet because I had just been moved over from the stadium (formerly did Sales & Marketing software), so I was using a cubical in the massive cubical farm where all the Community Relations interns were. They were really nice, but they always gave me a couple of hints when more than a couple of days went by and I hadn't showered yet.

I got a raise, and a promotion from it... and in the end, got a pension out of it. So yeah, hard work does pay off. Every job I've had, I've worked my ass off... I've never had a union rep force a company to pay me what they think I deserve, I've always had to prove to the company that employed me that I was worth what I was asking. If I didn't like what I was getting at that company, then I left the company to go somewhere else. That's why in maybe 13 years, I've worked for 5 companies already. But that's what you've got to do... that's how things work today in the IT sector. It's normal...

quote Originally posted by JazzMan: Unless the definition of "isn't right" is basically you don't like it. In which case, the latter statement is irrelevant rather than being false.

Correct. I don't like it. There is 'right' and 'wrong'.....just because you can doesn't mean you should. As I tried to explain, recalls are legal for any reason. So if enough signatures are collected a recall election is called. That's the law. My issue is the reason for collecting the signatures. We have a group of Wisconsin public union people, assisted by out-of-state union people, trying to get another set of elections done because they don't like a policy decision. There are certain mindsets that think that it's just fine to cost the taxpayers a lot of money for something that they don't like. Our Governor won his election fair and square.....so how many times does he have to win his election? He ran on a platform.....and he won. He did what he said he was going to do...and these union people are trying to oust him for keeping his work. So much good for the State of Wisconsin and he's under attack.....unfairly.

There is a right and there is a wrong. Not illegal, but wrong.

Mark

quote Originally posted by Firefox: Correct. I don't like it. There is 'right' and 'wrong'.....just because you can doesn't mean you should. As I tried to explain, recalls are legal for any reason. So if enough signatures are collected a recall election is called. That's the law. My issue is the reason for collecting the signatures. We have a group of Wisconsin public union people, assisted by out-of-state union people, trying to get another set of elections done because they don't like a policy decision. There are certain mindsets that think that it's just fine to cost the taxpayers a lot of money for something that they don't like. Our Governor won his election fair and square.....so how many times does he have to win his election? He ran on a platform.....and he won. He did what he said he was going to do...and these union people are trying to oust him for keeping his work. So much good for the State of Wisconsin and he's under attack.....unfairly. There is a right and there is a wrong. Not illegal, but wrong. Mark

And apparently there are quite a lot of folks in WI who feel exactly the same way about how you guys went about this as well. Of course, you guys think you're somehow inherently write and all the rest are somehow inherently wrong, that's why there's a system of laws to work within. If you can't respect the vote, why should anyone respect you?

quote Originally posted by JazzMan: And apparently there are quite a lot of folks in WI who feel exactly the same way about how you guys went about this as well. Of course, you guys think you're somehow inherently write and all the rest are somehow inherently wrong, that's why there's a system of laws to work within. If you can't respect the vote, why should anyone respect you?

Respect the vote? Yeah.....apparently there is no respect for the original election last November. I agree with you on that. There is a very good chance that the recall election, if it gets that far, will still be won by Governor Walker. The unions have come in here in a big way ( see frontal lobe's post above ) and stirred up a whole lot of public union employees and are pushing for protests. These are organized union efforts....not grass roots efforts....and are very one sided. The union side is not showing any respet for those that support the Governor. We have had many, many complaints filed throughout the state about fraud.....out of state people signing, petitions being circulated in government buildings ( which is illegal ), petition signers signing other people's names to the petitions.....and a whole lot of disrespect. Cars have been vandalized that had Governor Walker bumper stickers. Why is it ok to do that? Why does it always seem that one side of the aisle can get away with anything they want and never get called on the bad behavior they exhibit?

Also, you said that "apparently there are quite a lot of folks in WI who feel exactly the same way about how you guys went about this as well". I'm curious how that is a problem. It was done legally, through the proper Legislature and Senate hearings, debates, and then when the Demcrats left the state illegally to try to prevent a vote the bill was modified to allow passage without them present. That's the legal process. Where is the respect for the legal process there? It was offered as a bill, sent through the chambers and then to the Governor's desk. It was held up for legal challenges but ultimately was put into effect because it was legally passed and implimented. It was voted on and became law.

So yes, Jazz, the union people are not respecting the vote.....or the law. Why respect them? I do agree with you 100%

Thank you for making my point for me. I didn't realize that you were becoming a conservative in your views. Good for you.

Mark

quote Originally posted by JazzMan: If you can't respect the vote, why should anyone respect you?

The irony is so thick, it could be cut with a knife.
You are aiming this question at the unions in WI and the left in general, right?

quote Originally posted by D B Cooper: Lobe mentioned extremely loose recall laws... get this. The recall organizers are encouraging people to sign the recall petitions numerous times, since it's technically not against the law. Their Orwellian-named "government accountability" board (board of elections, all installed by the previous moonbat governor) will then take a month and spend $600k simply counting the names on the petitions and seeing that all the blanks are filled out. They have explicitly stated they will not weed out names that appear more than once, verify that addresses given actually exist or that names match with addresses, or even out of state addresses. Gov Walker's team then gets 10 days to go through all (likely 700 to 800 thousand) the signatures on their own dime to find all the fraud and dispute it. Not much point in bothering there; coming up with the needed signatures is a forgone conclusion. I hope this crap backfires and the court battles resulting from all the petition fraud carry the recall election all the way to the Nov 2012 general elections. Then we'd get to watch the unionistas get stomped all the way from the presidential race down to dog catcher again like they did in the last generals. I'd download McKenna's podcast that Wednesday and save it just to repeatedly enjoy the gloating !

This is a huge problem. The union organizers have so little respect for the process that they don't see a problem with this. These supporters will do anything they can to get their way....legal or illegal. The stories coming out are just outrageous. The actions of some of the recall petitioners is completely out of line. Some of these people are becoming very vulger and vile if you refuse to sign the petition. If you support Governor Walker you may have your children harrassed at school. Your car may be vandalized. We had a local commercial with one of the suburban school board members talking about the positive results of the law and the union backers are doing everything they can to harrass her and get her fired. Intimidation and rudeness....the union way! No respect for opinions that differ with theirs. Thugs.....union thugs. There is so much uncivil behavior and no one is being held accountable. There will certainly be legal challenges as these petitions need to be scrutinized carefully. There is such a history of cheating on the Democratic side of the aisle that this election needs to be really monitored. The Democratic Party of Wisconsin is complaining about our new Voter I.D. law because it makes it harder to cheat. One of our favorite State Senators in Milwaukee, Lena Taylor, owns a 'homeless shelter' that is allowed to take up to 8 residents as a maximum. In the last election there were 24 individuals that voted using that address....including one felon that isn't allowed to vote. Hmmmm.......cheating? Nope....the Democrats cry foul when a Republican wins because of cheating but cannot offer any proof. You show proof of Democrats cheating and it's no big deal. It's not cheating.....it's....um....well.....a mistake. Yeah, that's it!

So our recall petitions are already suspect. We'll see if they pass muster. It's too bad that the union backers didn't respect the original vote as Jazzman suggested. We shouldn't have to go through this at all. Lack of respect.

So you get Vicki McKenna over there? WISN or WIBA?

Mark

quote Originally posted by Firefox: So you get Vicki McKenna over there? WISN or WIBA? Mark

I download a lot of podcasts from WISN. My lab space is in a building with a ton of heavy machinery and lots of RF noise, and I run the lab solo. Music doesn't cut it all the time, so I carry a cheap mp3 player and catch a lot of Belling, Webber, and Vicki

Don't take it wrong, but your state is like the nation's soap opera, lol

quote Originally posted by D B Cooper: Don't take it wrong, but your state is like the nation's soap opera, lol

Well, yeah....it's a big soap opera right now. But fortunately with Governor Walker's help we are on a solid financial footing and our budget is balanced without raising taxes. It's just too bad that the union people don't respect the vote.

If anyone is interested we have a pretty good set of conservative talk show hosts here in town. Mark Belling is even a fill-in for Rush Limbaugh periodically....

http://www.newstalk1130.com/main.html

They do have live listen and I know Belling does podcasts. You can then listen to some of the soap opera as it happens!

Mark

quote Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: Hah... that's pretty funny. Sweat shop... I did write software on a mobile pathology unit that didn't have A/C one day. Honestly, when I worked for the Miami Dolphins after Bill Parcells started running the show, he basically made me work over 620 hours in less than 2 months. Yes... that's a lot of hours. I took off maybe 1 Saturday or Sunday... maybe a day, and they called me all day long asking me where I was. If I didn't get it done, I would have lost my job. I wrote all new scouting, draft, and advance software for them. I was helucinating. I basically came in at 6:00 in the morning, and regularly slept there, or stayed until 1-2 in the AM. I ate, slept, and showered there (when I had time). I hadn't gotten my own office yet because I had just been moved over from the stadium (formerly did Sales & Marketing software), so I was using a cubical in the massive cubical farm where all the Community Relations interns were. They were really nice, but they always gave me a couple of hints when more than a couple of days went by and I hadn't showered yet. I got a raise, and a promotion from it... and in the end, got a pension out of it. So yeah, hard work does pay off. Every job I've had, I've worked my ass off... I've never had a union rep force a company to pay me what they think I deserve, I've always had to prove to the company that employed me that I was worth what I was asking. If I didn't like what I was getting at that company, then I left the company to go somewhere else. That's why in maybe 13 years, I've worked for 5 companies already. But that's what you've got to do... that's how things work today in the IT sector. It's normal...

Miami Dolphins IT dept sounds like a sweet gig if you tell me you were an hourly contractor.
But if a full time employee on a salary and they expected me to work like that they could kiss my black azz.

quote Originally posted by Firefox: I'm thrilled that Jazzman finally sees things from the conservative side of things. This might be the moment in his life where he really questions his convictions and realizes that respect for others is such a huge thing....and a conservative value.

Oh trust me, I will slit my throat with my KBar Tanto before I ever become a conservative.

Too late! Once you start talking like a conservative you can't go back. You are now one of us.....just admit it to yourself. You'll enjoy life a lot better once you start to expect people to be responsible for their own actions.....

quote Originally posted by JazzMan: Uh, so Wisconsin allows non-residents to vote in local elections? Wow, I didn't realize that was the case. Here in Texas, you can bring in all the "outsiders" you want but the only folks that get to actually vote are resident registered voters.

I gave a complete, objective answer. You did not.


You very well know there is a LOT more to this process than THE ACTUAL VOTE.


First of all, they have to get enough signatures for a recall, and THEN a vote. It takes a LOT of manpower, time, money, and effort to get THAT many signatures.
I pointed out WHERE that money, time and manpower is coming from.

NINETY PERCENT of it is coming from out of the state.

What I am saying (which you KNEW but chose to try to ignore) is that the effort to GET to do a RE-vote is being driven by, funded by, and done by people from OUTSIDE the state.

If that all depended on Wisconsinites doing it, it would never happen.


You said "How dare those people in Wisconsin exercise their right to vote!"

The people in Wisconsin AREN'T the ones doing this process. There has BEEN no vote.


So for you to say you didn't know people from outside Wisconsin could vote isn't even a point, because there hasn't been a vote.

And there wouldn't even BE another vote if it wasn't for outside influence getting enough signatures for a recall.

Because the people of Wisconsin DID ALREADY exercise their right to vote. DESPITE the voter fraud, Wisconsinites voted for Walker.
Finally, not being from here, you DON'T know that due to liberal democrats, there have been MANY instances of voter fraud in all recent Wisconsin elections INCLUDING people from Illinois voting in Wisconsin. And in EVERY instance, guess which party they voted for? Every single instance.

Well, you already know that.

It sounds like to me that all you have to do in Wisconsin to get a vote for something is to ask voters to vote for whatever issue you want to win. That sounds too easy.

In reality, all the outside help in the world is unlikely to change the vote of folks who supported Walker's efforts to kill unions. The legal Wisconsin voters who vote against Walker aren't outsiders, and aren't conservatives most likely, and if they outnumber you and your fellow conservatives in the voting booth for the recall then you should accept the fact that in this case, at least, yours is the minority position. You can dislike it all you want, but it's correct under rule of law.

Scott Walker Taunted with Nazi Salute at Christmas Tree Ceremony
http://biggovernment.com/bh...stmas-tree-ceremony/

quote Originally posted by nosrac: Miami Dolphins IT dept sounds like a sweet gig if you tell me you were an hourly contractor. But if a full time employee on a salary and they expected me to work like that they could kiss my black azz.

Not a contractor. I was a full time employee. I was thrilled to work there... and happy to do it. I was angry during that time because of the extremely outrageous hours I was working (and not getting compensated for it), but that's part of working hard. I am better off for it.

Part of working hard is working for free under threat of being terminated?

Just making sure I read you right...

quote Originally posted by JazzMan: It sounds like to me that all you have to do in Wisconsin to get a vote for something is to ask voters to vote for whatever issue you want to win. That sounds too easy. In reality, all the outside help in the world is unlikely to change the vote of folks who supported Walker's efforts to kill unions. The legal Wisconsin voters who vote against Walker aren't outsiders, and aren't conservatives most likely, and if they outnumber you and your fellow conservatives in the voting booth for the recall then you should accept the fact that in this case, at least, yours is the minority position. You can dislike it all you want, but it's correct under rule of law.

So if boatloads of Republican/Conservative cash came into Texas from out of state, and was used against, say, an incumbent Democrat, you'd be OK with that?

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quote Originally posted by JazzMan: Part of working hard is working for free under threat of being terminated? Just making sure I read you right...

Salary does not = free so yes, you read it wrong. Making use of the opportunity to prove yourself and determination to hold up ones end of a signed contract is actually quite respectable and rare these days. No one owes you a job. If you find one and the terms are too much for you to handle, then don't sign on.

quote Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: You're not talking about in the US though... Unions served their purpose here a long time ago... here, and in Europe... it's everywhere else that the unions need to be, not the US.

Stay tuned; the protections we currently have as workers were bought and paid for by past workers. We're riding on their shoulders now, but those workers "privileges" that we "enjoy" have been on a long downward slide for the past two decades. Welcome to the Global Economy!

quote Originally posted by Pyrthian: yup - their demand for that particular coverage was extravagant but - that would not even be an issue if we had nat'l health care in the first place

That's true...the entire NATION would be held at gun point instead. No thanks

quote as a working man - I will always side with the unions tho. Tho, I will say they have gone to far. I certainly do not want Americans to work for $5 a day, which is what is being asked of them RIGHT NOW.

It is exactly this sort of non-sensical thinking that has bankrupted this country. Would you work for $5 per day if a loaf of bread cost 2 cents? A new car $500? A gallon of gasoline 1 cent?

YOUR definition of YOUR value is irrelevant. The market is the ONLY judge of your value and that is the way it will always be. Because the minute you try to screw with that, you will pay for it in some other way. And so will your fellow Americans, particularly those who do NOT have the luxury of a giant bully (unions) to push people around to pay their protection money.

quote Originally posted by fierobear: So if boatloads of Republican/Conservative cash came into Texas from out of state, and was used against, say, an incumbent Democrat, you'd be OK with that?

Like happens right now? Sure! Sadly, the real issue with voting in Texas is that gerrymandered redistricting has basically made the vast majority of federal and state level votes by Democrats essentially worthless. I vote out of principle, even though I know my vote is absolutely worthless in any other sense that's possible to imagine. Now, the Democrats in WI actually have a say in their government despite all the tricks played by the currently-in-power conservatives, stuff like violating open meetings laws, etc. It doesn't matter how much money or what its source is, the only thing that matters, at all, is the vote. Period. All the rest is window dressing. You may believe that somehow, someway, Democrats shouldn't have the right to exercise their Constitutional voting rights in WI, but like everyone else that shares your feelings you would be completely, assbackwards, wrong. And like I've been saying, *if* it turns out that there are more Democrats than conservatives voting in the recall elections and Walker and his...fellow government comrades...get thrown out, it will have been by following the law and exercising voting rights, whether you like it or not. You can point fingers and blame all you want, but all you seem to be saying by doing that is that somehow Democrats don't have voting rights.

The working class taxpayers in Wisconsin > the number of teachers + the number of liberal wackos living in Madison.

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you stay classy out there, Wis-Dems !

They are working hard to get everyone that visits the teachers union office, the Social Security office and the Brown County Human Services office to sign up

http://grassroots.wisdems.o...ry=US&radius_unit=mi

Oh and the library and two basketball games.

I wonder why they aren't circulating petitions at the county clerk office or at people's work places?

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