Not talking specifically about the OP, but it seems some people have to post all the "drama" that happens in their soap opera life here on O/T and some have +13,000 posts in 24 months! Why? No off-line friends to talk to?
Those that feel they have to spout ALL their opinions on every topic should be prepared to find that not everyone will agree with them. If they start an argument everytime their "pet subject" comes up, it doesn't really benefit anyone. Just learn to "agree to disagree" and leave it at that.
Lol you do realize that I read almost every single thread right? Now go through and see how many I've posted in.......
I've had two times in my life while on this forum that were just game changers for me, so I have posted quite a bit of my personal info just to share with the community. Like someone else said in an earlier post in this thread.. this isn't just a random car forum. It's a community.
But yeah, I've had some immature moments on here. Actually, more than some. Quite a few.... and I am sorry about that. I am in a pretty good time in my life right now though, and I don't think you'll be seeing much of my [w]itching about my life anytime soon
If you have a problem with current posts, however, PM me so I can do what I can to change that.
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fastblack Member
Posts: 3696 From: Riceville, IA Registered: Nov 2003
And Christian, until recently, I had never seen anyone bash you, or you bash anyone. WTH happened in the past couple months? I don't remember you in political threads before I took my leave of absence... now you're all over the place bashing Republicans?
If you're at a rough time in your life, message me on Facebook or something. Take a break from here, get your life in order without all of the social media going on... and then return when you're healthy again. I needed to do that... it helped me a lot.
This forum is great as long as you can be respectful. I don't like when people bash Democrats by calling them names... it's childish and rude. And I don't like when people bash Republicans by calling them names... because Republicans are right!
But seriously... just take a break, and we'll see you on here in a few months.
Originally posted by fastblack: If everybody here did this, it would be a much nicer place (not to say the this isn't a nice place to begin with).
I feel you... I should have done it a few times but I've been immature in the past. I have had people PM me with stuff and it meant a LOT more than just another post. Idk why. I guess it's because it's more personal and they really meant it to go to YOU.
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blackrams Member
Posts: 31842 From: Hattiesburg, MS, USA Registered: Feb 2003
Heh. You really are a sh1t stain on the underwear of life. As I stated before, an oxygen thief. But that's okay, you are obviously a part of the natural selection process, and will be puked out of the system before too long. Dammit, when will they ever start making people get licenses to breed? This assclown could have been avoided.
being said to any member of our forum. And yes, I know I'm quoting one of the most respected members of the forum.
But from ls3mach's point of view, I was defending someone I shouldn't have been defending. I was giving him my name when I hardly knew him, which was just not a very wise decision in his mind. I think differently about it, but that's besides the point.
I can't speak for why he doesn't like the rest mentioned, but we are all on the younger side of the forum, so I'm sure it's all just immaturity showing in our posts. Oh well, ya can't let that stuff get to you. It is interesting to look back and figure out when and why people started to not like you though.
Any failures of a previous president doesn't excuse failures of the current one. Democrats act like Obama's a messiah that's going to save the world in one breath, then in the next set the bar for success as being not quite as horrible as a guy they called the worst president in history.
Don't raise that bar too high.
You don't remember the recession that started long before Obama was elected, and was spiralling into a depression fast when he was inaugurated? You don't remember the millions losing jobs every MONTH? The stock market had already dove to 8900 from a high of 14,000 by that time. Everything was bleak. 2 years later the market has doubled from it's low, and 200,000 jobs were ADDED last month. If you wish to blame Obama for every tiny ailment you don't like, then he must also receive credit for the other side of the ledger. We wouldn't have these huge money holes in the treasury if it weren't for 2 incredibly stupid wars (about 5000 dollars per second), and we wouldn't have the unemployment if the corporations would quit sitting on the billions they've made the last two years, stop harbouring TRILLIONS in the Caymen island accounts, and start paying something in taxes. Exxon-Mobile made 19 billion last year and paid ZIP, and we still subsidise big oil. 25% of US corporations paid NO taxes last year. You would notice if you weren't so busy studying false Kenyan birth certificates.
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82-T/A [At Work] Member
Posts: 22770 From: Florida USA Registered: Aug 2002
You don't remember the recession that started long before Obama was elected, and was spiralling into a depression fast when he was inaugurated? You don't remember the millions losing jobs every MONTH? The stock market had already dove to 8900 from a high of 14,000 by that time. Everything was bleak. 2 years later the market has doubled from it's low, and 200,000 jobs were ADDED last month. If you wish to blame Obama for every tiny ailment you don't like, then he must also receive credit for the other side of the ledger. We wouldn't have these huge money holes in the treasury if it weren't for 2 incredibly stupid wars (about 5000 dollars per second), and we wouldn't have the unemployment if the corporations would quit sitting on the billions they've made the last two years, stop harbouring TRILLIONS in the Caymen island accounts, and start paying something in taxes. Exxon-Mobile made 19 billion last year and paid ZIP, and we still subsidise big oil. 25% of US corporations paid NO taxes last year. You would notice if you weren't so busy studying false Kenyan birth certificates.
I didn't want to say it, but I guess you're right... these problems DID happen as soon as the Democrats took control of the house and the senate in 2006. The economy has been going down EVER since. All of their spending bills they proposed, the massive debt created by the house and senate from 2006 to present is actually significantly more than anything this country has ever seen before. Under the "rule" of Nancy Pelosi, the national debt DOUBLED... seriously... what took 228 years to reach 7 trillion, Nancy Pelosi managed to bring it to 14 trillion by the 232 year mark. Imagine that... in the last 4 years, more debt has been created than the entire history of the United States from George Washington through President Clinton and the entire first term of President Bush.
We owe that all to Nancy Pelosi...
You're right... I'm glad you reminded me... i totally forgot about that. I guess it's not only this administration's fault, but also Nancy Pelosi... and of course, Bush for signing off on everything that Pelosi proposed in the house.
well, ya let them self-important blow-hards get to ya, eh? not like your gonna see this post anyways - so - thats that
maybe read some mother teresa quotes: People are often unreasonable and self-centered. Forgive them anyway. If you are kind, people may accuse you of ulterior motives. Be kind anyway. If you are honest, people may cheat you. Be honest anyway. If you find happiness, people may be jealous. Be happy anyway. The good you do today may be forgotten tomorrow. Do good anyway. Give the world the best you have and it may never be enough. Give your best anyway.
lol - and - yes, it is funny to see people getting negs for posts in O/T..... I was just lucky enough to have been endlessly helpful in Tech, so my not being a republican doesnt get me banned....
[QUOTE]Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: I didn't want to say it, but I guess you're right... these problems DID happen as soon as the Democrats took control of the house and the senate in 2006. The economy has been going down EVER since. All of their spending bills they proposed, the massive debt created by the house and senate from 2006 to present is actually significantly more than anything this country has ever seen before. Under the "rule" of Nancy Pelosi, the national debt DOUBLED... seriously... what took 228 years to reach 7 trillion, Nancy Pelosi managed to bring it to 14 trillion by the 232 year mark. Imagine that... in the last 4 years, more debt has been created than the entire history of the United States from George Washington through President Clinton and the entire first term of President Bush....[QUOTE]
Selective revisionist history. Things do not move that fast. Nothing done by the dems who took office in 2007, not 2006, could have caused the immediate collapse of the economy. It was the chickens coming home to roost for the previous 6 years of total irresponsibility by the GOP. McCain himself said they spent like drunken sailors, all the while giving the wealthy 2 massive tax breaks and that reduction in federal revenue is the source of our current mess, along with the wars. Blaming the democrats is a joke. The dems had no choice but to dump a buttload of money into the economy to save YOUR job. Not that you get it.
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2.5 Member
Posts: 43225 From: Southern MN Registered: May 2007
To people who can't be decent for any reason, including in things like politics. Not naming names, but whoever is "that way", you ruin it for everyone. You are not liked or admired for it. Maybe you inspire disappointment at best.
To people who want to leave because of some jerks on a forum, stick around, how will things ever change if voices of opposition run away?
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Bradley Jay Member
Posts: 794 From: Redlands, CA Registered: Jun 2008
I can't speak for why he doesn't like the rest mentioned, but we are all on the younger side of the forum, so I'm sure it's all just immaturity showing in our posts. Oh well, ya can't let that stuff get to you. It is interesting to look back and figure out when and why people started to not like you though.
Outspoken is fine. We all were in our youth and it's a part of growing up. " Challenge the Establishment!! ". Just don't overdo it. When we disagree, we'll tell you and have a conversation. You may hear from several members who have ' been there and done that ' and we'll explain why we think like we do. Whether or not you take the advice is up to you but for the most part it's civil and friendly. We're a community here...not just a car forum. We try to help each other out whether it's car advice or family advice....or personal advice. Happens each and every day. Make a mistake? Called out on it? Fine....admit it and move on. We all make mistakes. We will all make more mistakes. Part of life.
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82-T/A [At Work] Member
Posts: 22770 From: Florida USA Registered: Aug 2002
Selective revisionist history. Things do not move that fast. Nothing done by the dems who took office in 2007, not 2006, could have caused the immediate collapse of the economy. It was the chickens coming home to roost for the previous 6 years of total irresponsibility by the GOP. McCain himself said they spent like drunken sailors, all the while giving the wealthy 2 massive tax breaks and that reduction in federal revenue is the source of our current mess, along with the wars. Blaming the democrats is a joke. The dems had no choice but to dump a buttload of money into the economy to save YOUR job. Not that you get it.
Shows the debt from 2000 to 2010. Nancy Pelosi was in charge in the House, and proposed most of the spending bills from Jan 1st 2007 all the way through to Jan 1st 2011.
If you want to base it on when they pass the budget, she's responsible for all the debt from Septemper 30th, through September 30th of 2011, except that no budget was ever created in 2010... we're running without a budget right now.
So the debt accrued during Nancy Pelosi's time is over 5 trillion dollars in 4 years... as apposed to the previous 6 years, which only accrued 3 trillion.
Bush is responsible because he passed every single thing that Nancy Pelosi asked for.
As a Democrat, you should be well aware of how horrible Nancy Pelosi is. Most of my friends who are Democrats don't like Pelosi either... but it seems to me that you're a party-line Democrat.
It's not good to be so beholden to "your party" because it makes you oblivious (or delusional) to the idiocies of your party.
I don't know why you guys (and everyone else) automatically assumes I'm such a hard-core Republican / Conservative. I'm registered Republican, and always have been, and while I've always ONLY voted for a Republican president, I've voted twice for a Democrat Senator (same guy, two terms), once for a Democrat House representative, I support gay rights, and I'm an environmentalist.
It's obvious to me that you're the delusional one. Stop being so beholden to your party... when they're wrong, you have to be able to recognize it... you're entire defense right now of your party is "well... the other side did it too..." Can you not realize how lame that is?
It's just so ridiuclous to me that you guys criticize Bush so much for his spending spree in his last two years of presidency (according to the US Treasure .GOV website I posted a link to above), when the only thing Bush was guilty of, was signing off on all the legislation that Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid passed. SERIOUSLY... PLEASE look at this for a minute and explain to me how you can sit there and criticize Bush for his spending???
In the last two years of his presidency, where more than 60% of his spending occured... Bush was guilty of AGREEING to, and signing off on all the liberal legislation that YOU agree with. IE: increasing food stamp programs, increasing funding for the Equal Housing Lender Program, increasing funding for the Department of Education, increasing funding for Medicaid and Medicare, etc... etc... if you agree with all of that, then how can you criticize Bush for passing all of that crap?
I just wonder if you're even aware of the ridiuclous hipocracy.
As much as you hate him for going to war in Iraq, Bush was a hard-core liberal when it came to spending on welfare programs. Whatever Nancy wanted, he passed... and here you're criticizing him for it?
You REALLY need to think long and hard about what it means to you to be a Democrat... because I'm of the impression you don't even know what you support or believe. I think you're just like so many other people who were raised to believe in the party that their parents (or friends) told them to vote for... and you'll blindly follow them regardless of what they do.
Selective revisionist history. Things do not move that fast. Nothing done by the dems who took office in 2007, not 2006, could have caused the immediate collapse of the economy. It was the chickens coming home to roost for the previous 6 years of total irresponsibility by the GOP.(*1) McCain himself said they spent like drunken sailors, all the while giving the wealthy 2 massive tax breaks and that reduction in federal revenue is the source of our current mess, along with the wars.(*2) Blaming the democrats is a joke. The dems had no choice but to dump a buttload of money into the economy to save YOUR job.(*3) Not that you get it.
1 - Both sides were irresponsible the way I see it.
2 - I agree that spending like drunken sailors has hurt our economy greatly. I disagree that taxing the wealthy would have prevented it. We also don't tax the wealthy in this country. We tax on income not wealth. The Democrats want the spin to be tax the wealthy. Unless somehow we are going to come up with a new tax code this isn't possible.
3 - It didn't work. What it did do is put the bill on our children's shoulders.
What this government (both state and federal) needs to do is what every household has already done. Control costs. Spend within their means. Spend on the programs that will make a difference. Get efficient. Stop being stupid.
Chris - While we come from different sides on some of these issues, what I respect about you is that you are speaking your mind. You are trying to make a difference. I don't believe you are for 'using the government' for your own or your parties means. You are willing to speak your mind.
I have more respect for a neighbor who has a yard sign for a candidate I don't support than one who has none.
Yes there are a lot of people on here who are more than willing to go to attack mode when they disagree with what you say. That is bullshit. But we need both sides to talk. Both sides to present facts. Both sides to discuss the ISSUES at hand.
It helps taking a break from here. Things can get pretty heated. There are people on both sides who will attempt to take this personal and they shouldn't. There are some on my side who simply put embarrass me. There are others who will put up some good convincing arguments based on facts.
Think about this. As you know presenting your opinions on a forum that largely thinks different from you is the best way to swing opinions. It's also the best way to enlighten your own. At the end of it all we hope the best ideas prevail. We all understand they may not be our own.
I've dropped facebook friends who are ignorant. Who's base thinking appears to be so one sided that they can't see anything but their own side's rhetoric. There is a point where you realize you are talking to someone who totally isn't hearing anything you say. The best thing in that case may be just to ignore them, using whatever means works for you.
The battle is not won or lost on one fight.
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phonedawgz Member
Posts: 17091 From: Green Bay, WI USA Registered: Dec 2009
Oh one more thing. The truth is not about youthful thinking or not. The truth is the truth. I don't see where any of this has anything to do if your younger or not. I try to hold my tongue some if I know the recipient is a high schooler or younger. Beyond that we are all adults. Yeah I might think your opinions are flavored with youthful thinking, but if they make sense they make sense. If I disagree I disagree. I really don't get where so many on here keep on bringing up youth. That's really bs also.
Again I think it all comes down to the fact that we ALL should respect what is said, if it's said from a younger adult, a middle aged adult, or an older adult. Maybe if anything I will say some of the more mature adults are the ones who should realize this the most. The older we are the more we have seen crappy things happen to people. The more we have seen that, the more WE should realize that it should not be US who are the ones who are delivering the truck load of crap onto others.
It's like a mental sickness, the desire to turn every thread into a political thread. Exhibitionistic political masturbation, in the most literal sense. In a way, it's little-different than the Westboro church folks and the way they behave in public venues, somehow believing that their stink is welcome everywhere.
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82-T/A [At Work] Member
Posts: 22770 From: Florida USA Registered: Aug 2002
It's like a mental sickness, the desire to turn every thread into a political thread. Exhibitionistic political masturbation, in the most literal sense. In a way, it's little-different than the Westboro church folks and the way they behave in public venues, somehow believing that their stink is welcome everywhere.
The mental illness is shared by you since you continue to post in them despite the fact that you say how much you hate them.
I know, I know... you think I'm being a mean hard-core Republican that's beholden to my party-line.
It's like a mental sickness, the desire to turn every thread into a political thread. Exhibitionistic political masturbation, in the most literal sense. In a way, it's little-different than the Westboro church folks and the way they behave in public venues, somehow believing that their stink is welcome everywhere.
You do realize that he called out Republicans in his goodbye right? He brought politics into it in his first post.
I know, I wish he wouldn't have stunk up his good bye with his namecalling, but do you really expect those that he called 'scum' to just let it go?
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avengador1 Member
Posts: 35467 From: Orlando, Florida Registered: Oct 2001
I guess this really applies to Jazzman's contributions in this thread, considering that he hates politics.
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Originally posted by Jazzman It's like a mental sickness, the desire to turn every thread into a political thread. Exhibitionistic political masturbation, in the most literal sense. In a way, it's little-different than the Westboro church folks and the way they behave in public venues, somehow believing that their stink is welcome everywhere.
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I think that the most important thought we 'Older' Members should keep alive in our minds, is the fact that, when WE were 'kids' or 'young'uns', we didn't have a place where we could go and shout out loud our 'innermost thoughts' with total abandon, with nothing but typed words to hurt us, and the young nowadays are so familiar with internet sites and how it works, they don't even think about it. For THEM, it is just THERE. When we were kids, we were lucky to be invited to even make a COMMENT on what the 'older' Folks were discussing amongst themselves, let alone to be actually HEARD. Totally different scenario today, and perhaps some of us just haven't adjusted to that aspect of 'Forum discussions'. Nick
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I think that the most important thought we 'Older' Members should keep alive in our minds, is the fact that, when WE were 'kids' or 'young'uns', we didn't have a place where we could go and shout out loud our 'innermost thoughts' with total abandon, with nothing but typed words to hurt us, and the young nowadays are so familiar with internet sites and how it works, they don't even think about it. For THEM, it is just THERE. When we were kids, we were lucky to be invited to even make a COMMENT on what the 'older' Folks were discussing amongst themselves, let alone to be actually HEARD. Totally different scenario today, and perhaps some of us just haven't adjusted to that aspect of 'Forum discussions'. Nick
Man, it really would have been horrible if we would have lost your presence from this forum. Great post!
Its so true, if I walked past a bunch of 30-40-50-something year olds that were talking about Governor Scott Walker, I would be hesitant to just go up and voice my opinion. Not so with this forum, and I think that is a benefit to both generations, being able to hear each other's opinions and ideas.
"3 - It didn't work. What it did do is put the bill on our children's shoulders.".............................................................................................................. Yes, it did work.
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Man, it really would have been horrible if we would have lost your presence from this forum. Great post!
Its so true, if I walked past a bunch of 30-40-50-something year olds that were talking about Governor Scott Walker, I would be hesitant to just go up and voice my opinion. Not so with this forum, and I think that is a benefit to both generations, being able to hear each other's opinions and ideas.
Ahh, but that is the key. You have to actually listen to the other side. The thread that brought this about was the "poster child" for one side not listening to the other. I mean, I was called "just another rich guy".
If you see a group of people that are voicing opinions that you don't agree with, you can say something, but it's not proper, or wise, to walk up to them, and start screaming that they are stupid, or any of the other names that were called.
I've "interrupted" groups just like you said. No long term effects, the key is to be polite, yet firm. Listen, and honestly listen to what they say.
In the "real world" I wouldn't put up with someone talking to me like members in that thread did. Both of us would be sitting in jail, and if the other side is lucky they wouldn't have to visit the hospital first.
Before that's taken out of context. I do not seek out violence, but if someone was to get in my face, and call me the names that the members in that thread did to me, and others. They had better be ready to physically defend themselves. I like Ramses, as well as others on this forum that I may not agree with on everything. However, he did a lot of screaming, and yelling, only to run away because of "hate".
Exactly Brad. To be able to listen to an opposing viewpoint with respect, and to be able to voice an unpopular opinion with respect, two skills that are sometimes lacking around here. And as soon as an unpopular opinion is voiced in a rude or disrespectful manner, it can be real hard for the opposing party not to come back with something just as rude.
I have to get something off my chest. I have gone completely apeshit over the Schwan's Chocolate Sunday Crunch Bars. I just can't put the damn things down. I just can't leave them for good...
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USFiero Member
Posts: 4873 From: Everywhere and Middle of Nowhere Registered: Mar 2002
Off topic but still on topic: Phonedawgz is right. Both parties are to blame for the huge increase in the national debt. Pelosi was speaker of the house in 2007 but the Democratic senate didn't have a veto proof majority. That combination allowed GW Bush to send legislation back that he didn't agree with or to sign. He signed it, therefore going along with Pelosi, and company.
Edit: Translation for the literally interpretive group: Bush signed budget legislation that resulted in an increase in the national debt as passed by the Democrats and a large number of Republicans.
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fierobear Member
Posts: 27079 From: Safe in the Carolinas Registered: Aug 2000
It's like a mental sickness, the desire to turn every thread into a political thread. Exhibitionistic political masturbation, in the most literal sense. In a way, it's little-different than the Westboro church folks and the way they behave in public venues, somehow believing that their stink is welcome everywhere.
When adults are having conversations, it sometimes turns to politics. Other adults make adult decisions, such as deciding to stop participating in a conversation that they don't care to be a part of by hitting the back button on their browser.
Huh?
