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Teen Wrestler Charged with Sexual Battery for Using "Butt Drag" Move by madcurl
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Okay, that's a new one for me.

http://www.kwgn.com/news/kt...drag,0,3580526.story

FRESNO, Calif. ( KTLA) -- A Fresno County teen wrestler is fighting sexual battery charges after he rammed his fingers into the rectum of an opponent.

Buchanan High School wrestler, 17-year-old Preston Hill, tackled a teammate and executed a move called the "butt drag" during a practice match in July, the Fresno Bee is reporting.

The teen is facing trial in Fresno on Thursday. Prosecutors have offered him a deal: stay out of trouble for several months and the case will be dismissed.

But, Hill's lawyer, Stephen Quade, says his client will likely reject the offer because he didn't do anything wrong.

The "butt drag" is a widely-used wrestling move that involves grabbing a rival's butt cheek and putting fingers in the anus to get leverage, the Fresno Bee reported.

A police report states that Hill allegedly stuck his fingers deep into the 14-year-old opponent's rectum, causing pain.

The 14-year-old's father told the Bee that Hill had bullied his son and "crossed the line" with the wrestling move.

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Originally posted by madcurl:

The "butt drag" is a widely-used wrestling move that involves grabbing a rival's butt cheek and putting fingers in the anus


...and they wonder why all the athletes made fun of them in high school...
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not suppost to put then INTO the ass... least we never did ti that way.. but things can slip and move, i doubt it was intentional... who wants to be known as the kid why fingered another guys ass?
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hmpf...a practice match....a 17 yr old vs a 14 yr old....and he had to resort to that?

lol - Butt Drag....here I was thinking it was grabbing his feet, and dragging him across the mat, giving him a rug-burn.....
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Were they wrestling by the tradition of the ancient Greeks, naked?
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Originally posted by Pyrthian:

hmpf...a practice match....a 17 yr old vs a 14 yr old....and he had to resort to that?

lol - Butt Drag....here I was thinking it was grabbing his feet, and dragging him across the mat, giving him a rug-burn.....


... they have to pair you up with the person closest to your weight... are not mater...

back in HS i seen kids come from rec wrestling, be 13-14, get put againts a 1st or 2nd year 17-18yr old, and watch them kick their ass, seen a pin in under 30seconds once.. 14 vs 18... was kinda comical...
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I feel bad for the kid, its not like it was a pre-meditated sexual assault.. in fact, I believe for a sex crime to proven, the prosecution has to prove there was sexual intent. That will be a hard sell considering they were wrestling and its a documented move.

I thought butt drag was something my dog did when he had tape worms. Learn something new every day. One thing is for certain, I see a whole lot of new legal waivers being sent home with prospective wrestler's parents across the country from now on.

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Originally posted by tbone42:

I feel bad for the kid, its not like it was a pre-meditated sexual assault.. in fact, I believe for a sex crime to proven, the prosecution has to prove there was sexual intent. That will be a hard sell considering they were wrestling and its a documented move.




Unless it is proven that this kid has a history of bullying other kids.
Sometimes, homo-centric bullying between boys does take place in school.....heck even some cops have been convicted of it.

If this had happened to me in school, I would have freaked out, as I have NEVER heard of inserting your fingers into someones anus as a "wrestling move".
It was unknown to me untill just now.
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Well it will be interesting to see how it turns out, but I imagine if the prosecutors were offering him a deal to stay out of trouble, they already found that he never had a history of that sort of thing in the past.. otherwise they would already be using it to rake him over the coals and pressing for prosecution instead offering deals.. that or they are just bad prosecutors.
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Originally posted by Pyrthian:


lol - Butt Drag....here I was thinking it was grabbing his feet, and dragging him across the mat, giving him a rug-burn.....


That was my thought too.. but if they really are doing *that*, its uncool and should be stopped. Wrestling is one thing.. that something else.
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OMG!! OMG!!--Why didn't someone stop this? Why wasn't something done--where were the coaches? Where were the paramedics?? What if something were punctured and the guy bled to death?


That is a really odd story tho.
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Originally posted by maryjane:

OMG!! OMG!!--Why didn't someone stop this? Why wasn't something done--where were the coaches? Where were the paramedics?? What if something were punctured and the guy bled to death?




Was this directed at me becouse of my thoughts in the https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum6/HTML/080666.html thread?

If so, how can an adult encouraging a teen to continue running after collapsing from dehydration & hypothermia be compared to having fingers forcefully inserted into you anus at school?

Was your post intended as an opinion, or just designed to degrade my OPINION in the above mentioned thread?

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........ This is why i never went out for the wrestling team
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Originally posted by pontiackid86:

........ This is why i never went out for the wrestling team


That and the yearbook pictures of the first row bent over in front of the second row.. yikes! The minute I saw those I was convinced I would just keep playing Baseball and be happy with that.
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Bad.




The only time wrestling is good, is when it's women, and involves oil or jello or something similar.

Good.

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Where was "the seperator" when they needed him?


That violated kid should have told him
(As Bipasha Basu so eloquently lipsynched): "no no no no no no no no no no no no no no
no no, no entry!"




Did he smell/lick his fingers afterwoods?*

*woa, ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

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If the giver of the "Butt Drag" would have finished off the reciever with a "Dirty Sanchez", then it would have been sexual in nature.
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1 finger is bad enough. The kid is lucky he didn't get the "Hand Puppet".
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Originally posted by Boondawg:

If this had happened to me in school, I would have freaked out, as I have NEVER heard of inserting your fingers into someones anus as a "wrestling move".
It was unknown to me untill just now.

I'm guessing you've never heard of the "scrotum grab" either. Yeah, it's a real wrestling move.

The bottom line is: if you don't want another guy's hands all over you, don't get into wrestling.
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Originally posted by Blacktree:

I'm guessing you've never heard of the "scrotum grab" either. Yeah, it's a real wrestling move.



I thought wrestler wear a protector cup? Or is that another sport?
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I don't think the cup protectes the butt hole.
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Originally posted by Blacktree:

I'm guessing you've never heard of the "scrotum grab" either. Yeah, it's a real wrestling move.



I wrestled for a short time.
What you call the "Scrotum grab" was not allowed, if I recall.
Although I don't recall the buttho' being mentioned as a control point, either.


Amateur Wrestling Illegal Moves:

Biting

Pinching or poking with the fingers, toes, or nails, including fish-hooking the nose or mouth

Gouging or intentionally scratching the opponent – eye-gouges especially are grounds for disqualification and banned status in most amateur wrestling competitions

Strikes using the hands, fists, elbows, feet, knees, or head

Joint locks, including armlocks, leglocks, spinal locks, wristlocks, and small joint manipulation.

Chokeholds, strangling, suffocating, or smothering

Spiking, or lifting and slamming the opponent head-first to the mat (though other forms of slamming are generally allowed in the international styles; in collegiate, slamming per se is illegal)

Grasping or holding the opponent's genitals

Using a triangle (grappling hold) scissors (where one knee is bent at a 90º (degree) angle and placed behind the other knee) on the head (It is, however, legal to figure-four the head if both wrestlers are not in the neutral position; this rule exists primarily to prevent people from using a figure-four head scissors to prevent a single leg takedown; this is considered a form of stalling .)Scissors can be used on the body or limbs, while the figure four can be applied to the head.

Most types of amateur wrestling also discourage or prohibit the use of one's own or the opponent's clothing for grasping or performing any type of hold.

Full Nelson, When both arms are under both opponents forearms or arm and both hand are behind his neck or head, although, it is now legal in Junior and Senior , if you do it to the side and do not bend the head down.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amateur_wrestling

The rules they were playing by may be different....
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Originally posted by Gecko:
The only time wrestling is good, is when it's women, and involves oil or jello or something similar.
*snip*


Great, just about got me in trouble at work if my timing had been 30 seconds earlier to scroll down. This is a family forum remember.
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Originally posted by Boondawg:


Was this directed at me becouse of my thoughts in the https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum6/HTML/080666.html thread?

If so, how can an adult encouraging a teen to continue running after collapsing from dehydration & hypothermia be compared to having fingers forcefully inserted into you anus at school?

Was your post intended as an opinion, or just designed to degrade my OPINION in the above mentioned thread?


It was directed at the poor state of affairs this country has degraded to. In my day, in highschool, the guy with the intruded rearend would have got up and beat the livin crap out of the the guy with a wandering fingers right there on the mat. Coaches would have broken it up--fer sure, but then put boxing gloves on each of them and let them go at it. Now days tho, we have parents involved, media involved, attorneys involved, school board involved, and gawd knows who else. These are highschoolers--17 yrs old-14 yrs old. Wrestlers--not mamby pamby glee club wimps. We've digressed to the point that no one can fend for themselves.

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Talk about shock and awe.
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Is this where the hold originated?

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Why would two straight men want to participate in a sport that gives the OPTION for one of the men to cram his fingers into the anus of the other man???

See, this is why I ran track in high school. Great exercise, you're in TOP shape... 2% body fat, and all the hot athletic girls are also on the team.

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And it allows you to outrun any wrestler that wanted to butt drag you.
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Originally posted by Doni Hagan:

Is this where the hold originated?



If he were still alive, you could ask this guy:



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Two men fighting to physically dominate the other results in a very physically and mentally miserable experience. I have a couple red practice shirts somewhere (originally white (read bloodied for the slower crowd)) I kept from high school to remember the sacrifices I made and lessons I learned. 2-a days, every day except no practice Sunday. A grand total of 2 days during Christmas break off without practice (Christmas day and New Years day). On easy light practices we got to finish practice with line sprints. I never actually saw the wrestling room thermostat, only a bag of ice coach taped to the opening so we never had to worry about it being less than 85 inside. Going without food for a few days is easy. Nothing hurts more than doing all this without water for a couple days.... but you start to get used to it when you do it every week. Needless to say, it’s enough to mentally break a guy. It was not uncommon for boys and sometimes 18 year old men to break down and start crying during practice. But it’s all part of becoming mentally tough.

 
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...and they wonder why all the athletes made fun of them in high school...

Haha...not at my school they didn't, not to our faces at least

In todays society most people aren't cut out for wrestling. By definition sexual battery means anal, vaginal, or oral penetration. Well, by that definition sexual battery occurred most every practice. My face was always bleeding or swollen, including my mouth/lips. Body parts are a casualty of wrestling.

The butt drag is a move like many others. You are fighting to dominate your opponent. If you’re both on your feet you may try a double leg where you pull the opponents legs. I love grabbing my girlfriend’s sexy legs. That doesn’t mean grabbing the legs of your opponent is at all the same.

The butt drag is used in the same way. Has nothing to do with arousal. When you’re on the mat a double leg doesn’t work, but his ass makes a great leaver. So, you grab the opponent and throw him around by his ass cheek. It hurts just like most moves in wrestling do. (BTW it has nothing to do with the anus; that is not even logical. Someone who doesn’t have a clue about wrestling put that in the article.)

Each practice you are trying hard to hurt your teammates…make them cry. It’s part of making them (and yourself because they are dishing it right back at you) tougher, physically and mentally. The kid who claims he was sexually assaulted or whatever most likely hit rock bottom mentally. It what I was talking about earlier. We would call it breaking your opponent. He couldn’t handle it so he went to dad for help. It says he was being bullied?! Haha of course he was. You are trying to physically dominate your opponent, hurt him, make him cry… its part of wrestling.

Anyway, don’t let this taint your view on wrestling. It’s a great sport. Toughest sport there is in American high school in my opinion.
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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:

See, this is why I ran track in high school. Great exercise, you're in TOP shape... 2% body fat, and all the hot athletic girls are also on the team.



Which is why I was in Band. Plus, we weren't sweatin' all the time.

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Originally posted by tbone42:
.... I was convinced I would just keep playing Baseball and be happy with that.


HAHA! The butt slaping you baseball players play around with is far more sexual than anything in wrestling. It doesnt bother me, just commenting.
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"

Anyway, don’t let this taint your view on wrestling."

I see what you did, there.

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Originally posted by WhiteDevil88:

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Anyway, don’t let this taint your view on wrestling."

I see what you did, there.



HAHAHA!!!pun not intended but awesome catch

edit: man I wish I could claim that one, perfect, I'm still laughing

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Anyone remember the "Butt Pliers" from that one episode of Ren and Stimpy? *shudder*

Makes the Butt Drag look like...well no I guess the Butt Drag is still about as unpleasant sounding as it gets.
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Originally posted by madcurl:Okay, that's a new one for me.


Wow, I am feeling real good about turning down the coach about joining the wrestling team. 103 pounds and it took a 145 pound team member to beat me, that sucker could beat nearly everyone. I think he went to college on a scholarship.

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I suppose it depends on quite a few things but, I can tell you for certain that a move like that would lead to bloodshed where I grew up. Somebody would most likely end up dead.

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That is very disturbing and the guy who jammed his finger up there is a pervert and should be punished with a baseball bat.
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Originally posted by blackrams:

I suppose it depends on quite a few things but, I can tell you for certain that a move like that would lead to bloodshed where I grew up. Somebody would most likely end up dead.

Ron


There would have been a broken nose before the match was over, that would have been my next move.
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