WINDERMERE, Fla. — Tiger Woods canceled yet another meeting with state troopers but, for the first time, talked about his car crash on his Web site, saying it was his fault, that his wife acted courageously and that remaining details were private.
That is so racist1. When an average person "cancels a meeting with police" they come and arrest your dumb arse.
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NEPTUNE Member
Posts: 10199 From: Ticlaw FL, and some other places. Registered: Aug 2001
If that were me, or almost anyone else on this forum, we would probably have been arrested, or at least had our drivers license revoked for refusing to cooperate in the investigation. In Florida, as well as most other states, driving is a privilege, not a right. When you sign that paper to get your license, you are agreeing to certain "terms of agreement", including cooperating with any accident investigation, and this WEALTHY CELEBRITY has violated that agreement.
While only remotely related, here's another thing you agree to in many states:
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Formula88 Member
Posts: 53788 From: Raleigh NC Registered: Jan 2001
You really go out of your way to shiat in every thread you can find. Why people put up with it is beyond me.
Thats a picture of a termite mound, dummy. Probably not at all what you meant. Why are you sticking up for the rich celebrity? Do you really believe that the rules of the road are different for the wealthy? Are you two related somehow?
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cliffw Member
Posts: 37544 From: Bandera, Texas, USA Registered: Jun 2003
Are you trying to suggest that money can not buy justice ?
Can not buy 'justice'? Certainly not.We adults all know that money talks. Should not buy justice? Justice is supposed to be blind. I'm sure that we'll see how this plays out in agonizing detail soon enough.
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If that were me, or almost anyone else on this forum, we would probably have been arrested, or at least had our drivers license revoked for refusing to cooperate in the investigation. In Florida, as well as most other states, driving is a privilege, not a right. When you sign that paper to get your license, you are agreeing to certain "terms of agreement", including cooperating with any accident investigation, and this WEALTHY CELEBRITY has violated that agreement.
While only remotely related, here's another thing you agree to in many states:
WTF guys, whats really wrong with this post? I even found the first link something everyone should read. Can't we keep the arguing and bickering to the political threads?
Onward to the rich and famous. The accident possibly happened on Tiger Wood's own property, making it a private matter. If he had wrecked on a public highway it would be different, however, if he was driving through his yard, and hit a fire hydrant, and his own tree he shouldn't have to answer to anyone (he should be required to pay to fix the hydrant).
And really if it had been me I would still be sitting in jail, who knows what for.
Brad
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GT86 Member
Posts: 5203 From: Glendale, AZ Registered: Mar 2003
WTF guys, whats really wrong with this post? I even found the first link something everyone should read. Can't we keep the arguing and bickering to the political threads?
Why don't you ask NEPTUNE why he felt the need to bring his "Slower traffic keep right" stuff into an unrelated thread? It's his idea of a clever political jab, he's been using it for awhile now. He knew what he was doing, before he edited the post it said "While unrelated..." instead of what it now says, "While only remotely related..."
I agree this thread didn't need it, but it's now been NEPTUNE'ed.
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Posts: 12956 From: Russell, KS USA Registered: Apr 2002
The FHP said almost immediately alcohol was not involved, probably because he was taken to the hospital and they ruled that out at that time.
He aparently had insurance and he can afford an attorney that knows the law and provided the FHP with the paperwork they required after an accident of this type, which is his right. That he can afford representation that knows the law and doesn't bend over to improper demands is something we should malign him for?
Not me. Go Tiger. Give them what the law requires and nothing else.
Years ago one of my employees backed into one of my combines with my service truck on my property. I turned it into my insurance, they said I needed a police report. I called in and reported it, the police said "Why are you calling?" I said my insurance told me to. They said "OK" and hung up. That was the end of it. Now I didn't have any injuries, but I don't call in when I hurt myself in the shop either because it's on private property and nobody else's business.
Florida law regarding what you have to do at an injury accident (it makes no distinction between public and private property):
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Florida State Statute - requirements on reporting motor vehicle crashes.
FSS 316.027 Accidents involving death or personal injuries.
(a) The driver of any vehicle involved in an accident resulting in injury of any person must immediately stop the vehicle at the scene of the accident, or as close thereto as possible, and must remain at the scene of the accident until he has fulfilled the requirements of s. 316.062. Any person who willfully violates this paragraph is guilty of a felony of the third degree. (b) The driver of any vehicle involved in an accident resulting in the death of any person and fails to comply with s. 316.062 is guilty of a felony of the second degree.
The department shall revoke the driver's license of the person so convicted.
An ambulance came for Tiger, presumably the FHP did as well, so he didn't leave the scene until the police got there. He had to comply with 316.062 which says:
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FSS 316.062 Duty to give information and render aid. Requires the following:
Name of driver. Address of driver. And the registration number of the vehicle he is driving. And shall upon request and if available exhibit his license or permit to drive, to any person injured in such accident or to the driver of occupant of or person attending any vehicle or other property damaged in the accident. All of the above information is required to be given to any police officer investigating the accident. Driver shall render to any person injured in the accident reasonable assistance, including the carrying, or making arrangements for the carrying, of such person to a physician, surgeon, or hospital for medical or surgical treatment if it is apparent that treatment is necessary, or if such carrying is requested by the injured person
They most likely got all this at the hospital but when they came back Tiger probably said "Do I have to talk to them?" His attorney said "Not according to the law." So he sent his attorney out to meet FHP with (according to the article):
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The attorney gave troopers Woods' driver's license, registration and insurance as required by law for such accidents.
Gosh, what a coincidence, the lawyer gave them (probably for the second time) exactly what the law required.
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"We have been informed by the Florida Highway Patrol that further discussion with them is both voluntary and optional," Mark Steinberg, his agent at IMG, said in an e-mail. "Although Tiger realizes that there is a great deal of public curiosity, it has been conveyed to FHP that he simply has nothing more to add and wishes to protect the privacy of his family."
Apparently, according to the FHP, Tiger doesn't have to talk to them. His attorney knows this and has advised his client NOT to talk to them, as he should. What does Tiger have to gain? Nothing. Can he make things worse? Absolutely.
Excuse me if I'm not going to be the one to condemn someone that exercises his legal rights. I say good for you, Tiger, it's nobody else's damn business.
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So you believe that because he's rich and famous he's allowed a pass?
Why?
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NEPTUNE Member
Posts: 10199 From: Ticlaw FL, and some other places. Registered: Aug 2001
It did happen on a public road. He hit a fire hydrant on the side of the street, then a tree on the edge of his neighbors yard. The rules of the road should apply. If it were you or me, and we refused THREE TIMES to talk to investigators from the FHP, what do you think would have happened?
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GT86 Member
Posts: 5203 From: Glendale, AZ Registered: Mar 2003
Apparently, according to the FHP, Tiger doesn't have to talk to them. His attorney knows this and has advised his client NOT to talk to them, as he should. What does Tiger have to gain? Nothing. Can he make things worse? Absolutely.
Excuse me if I'm not going to be the one to condemn someone that exercises his legal rights. I say good for you, Tiger, it's nobody else's damn business.
Agreed, he's not required to give a statement to the police.
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GT86 Member
Posts: 5203 From: Glendale, AZ Registered: Mar 2003
It did happen on a public road. He hit a fire hydrant on the side of the street, then a tree on the edge of his neighbors yard. The rules of the road should apply. If it were you or me, and we refused THREE TIMES to talk to investigators from the FHP, what do you think would have happened?
The rules of the road do apply. And he is complying--the law doesn't require him to talk to the police. FHP investigtors can request a meeting, but he doesn't have to grant them one. The same rules would apply to you if you were in the same situation.
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jstricker Member
Posts: 12956 From: Russell, KS USA Registered: Apr 2002
Nothing, according to the law and his attorney and apparently according to the FHP.
Don't be jealous because you don't know you don't have to talk to them.
John Stricker
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It did happen on a public road. He hit a fire hydrant on the side of the street, then a tree on the edge of his neighbors yard. The rules of the road should apply. If it were you or me, and we refused THREE TIMES to talk to investigators from the FHP, what do you think would have happened?
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madcurl Member
Posts: 21401 From: In a Van down by the Kern River Registered: Jul 2003
If that were me, or almost anyone else on this forum, we would probably have been arrested, or at least had our drivers license revoked for refusing to cooperate in the investigation. In Florida, as well as most other states, driving is a privilege, not a right. When you sign that paper to get your license, you are agreeing to certain "terms of agreement", including cooperating with any accident investigation, and this WEALTHY CELEBRITY has violated that agreement.
While only remotely related, here's another thing you agree to in many states:
the attorney on tv said yesterday since it's deemed an auto accident he doesn't have to come in for questioning or talk to any police officers for the investigation unless he wants to. So no it's not because he's a celeberty.
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avengador1 Member
Posts: 35468 From: Orlando, Florida Registered: Oct 2001
He also has the right to not incriminate himself. Any lawyer will tell you to keep your mouth shut. I'm sure he already has made arrangements with his HOA to pay for any damages he caused. I don't think we will ever get answers to the questions of where he was going at that time, why he was going there, why he crashed, why his lips were bleeding, and why did his wife happen to have one of his golf clubs handy to break both of the rear door windows in the car, one on each side. That one is kind of odd.
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rogergarrison Member
Posts: 49601 From: A Western Caribbean Island/ Columbus, Ohio Registered: Apr 99
Well Ive seen some pics now. All of the doors can open. It hit on the front fender, so I 'could' see where if it was still running/key on, the locked door wouldnt open. They said back window and I assumed it was the back hatch glass. It was the left rear door glass, so I can see breaking that to open the driver door. While he dont 'have' to talk to police, it still seems awfully curious why he hired a lawyer right away.... especially if he just ran into a neighbors tree. As far as I know, expecially if in an auto accident you have to give the police your license and insurance card. Who knows if hes done that?
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firstfiero Member
Posts: 4879 From: york,pa,17403 Registered: Dec 2000
Lol. Hired an attorny. Dude he's worth hundreds of millions of dollars lol he has an army of them at his disposal 24 7. He didn't have to hire one. Lol
According to the latest news, the lacerations to his face were caused by his upset fiance. Apparently before the accident happened, she had confronted him about an affair, taking after him with a golf club and smashing the windows out of his SUV. According to TMZ, he was distracted by and paniced by these attacks and lost control of his vehicle.
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blackrams Member
Posts: 32794 From: Covington, TN, USA Registered: Feb 2003
According to the latest news, the lacerations to his face were caused by his upset fiance. Apparently before the accident happened, she had confronted him about an affair, taking after him with a golf club and smashing the windows out of his SUV. According to TMZ, he was distracted by and paniced by these attacks and lost control of his vehicle.
Well, his name is Tiger. Tiger's don't change the color of their stripes, regardless of what their mates want.
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82-T/A [At Work] Member
Posts: 24986 From: Florida USA Registered: Aug 2002
So you believe that because he's rich and famous he's allowed a pass?
Why?
I kind of agree...
There are two things about this though....
1) I just don't understand why anyone really cares either way what the reason or story is behind it.
2) I definitely think it's getting preferential treatment. As you said in an earlier post... anyone else who "cancels" a meeting (third time no less), would have been forcibly brought in. I don't know that he's getting treatment "above the law", but the law enforcement agency is definitely not trying to bring any more attention to it as possible. You can only imagine what a story like... "Just in... Tiger Woods picked up in handcuffs..." would do to the department. I'm SURE Tiger would begin suing, and then the local mayor would be upset with the department... even though the department should and has the right to do it.
1) I agree..I couldn't care less why it happened. I enjoy watching him golf so I'm glad he's alright
2) No they wouldn't because they couldn't. Him coming in would be completely on his own. There is nothing criminal here so they have nothing to hold over his head to force him in. This is a gated community so that means it's private property. No different then being in an accident in a parking lot. Tiger admits fault ...he was not drunk or drugged up and no one but himself was injured. The police have no reason to question him nor the power to force him in. there is no preferential treatment here lol I'm sure his lawyers nixed the idea of him going in since its not necasary
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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: I kind of agree...
There are two things about this though....
1) I just don't understand why anyone really cares either way what the reason or story is behind it.
2) I definitely think it's getting preferential treatment. As you said in an earlier post... anyone else who "cancels" a meeting (third time no less), would have been forcibly brought in. I don't know that he's getting treatment "above the law", but the law enforcement agency is definitely not trying to bring any more attention to it as possible. You can only imagine what a story like... "Just in... Tiger Woods picked up in handcuffs..." would do to the department. I'm SURE Tiger would begin suing, and then the local mayor would be upset with the department... even though the department should and has the right to do it.
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82-T/A [At Work] Member
Posts: 24986 From: Florida USA Registered: Aug 2002
1) I agree..I couldn't care less why it happened. I enjoy watching him golf so I'm glad he's alright
2) No they wouldn't because they couldn't. Him coming in would be completely on his own. There is nothing criminal here so they have nothing to hold over his head to force him in. This is a gated community so that means it's private property. No different then being in an accident in a parking lot. Tiger admits fault ...he was not drunk or drugged up and no one but himself was injured. The police have no reason to question him nor the power to force him in. there is no preferential treatment here lol I'm sure his lawyers nixed the idea of him going in since its not necasary
Well, that's not true... gated community or not... the streets are public roads (whether or not you can get into them), they have posted speed limits that need to be obeyed, and the fire hydrant he hit is city property. At the very least, he could be looking at a wreckless driving charge. They know he wasn't going OVER 35mph, but they can assume he was driving over 25, which is the maximum speed limit in a residential zone. Regardless of how many fancy people live in the neighborhood, or how few homes are actually in that community.
The same laws apply to "Star Island" here in South Florida, and every "finger" drive in Los Olas.
The police absolutely have the right to force him to come in. They ASKED him to come in before, it wasn't just a formality.
Lol. Hired an attorny. Dude he's worth hundreds of millions of dollars lol he has an army of them at his disposal 24 7. He didn't have to hire one. Lol
Not just any attorney. He hired Mark NeJame, who is known as the Johnny Cochran of Central Florida. He's a high profile, never loses kind of guy. If you're wealthy, and you kill your wife, you hire Mark. From the local newspaper: http://www.orlandosentinel....n/todaysbuzz/monday/
Well, that's not true... gated community or not... the streets are public roads (whether or not you can get into them), .)
Not always true at all. I have lived in a few private communities and never have the roads been public. I live in one of those right now. If it is gated it is absolute that it is private.
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jimbolaya Member
Posts: 10652 From: Virginia Beach, Virginia Registered: Feb 2007
Three of us. Heck, my wife has been mad enough to swing golf clubs at me. The key is knowing when to get in the car and leave. I have google mapped all the hydrants in my neighborhood though.
When the truth comes out we'll find out Tiger was flashing gang signs waving a mac10 out the window at her blaring some Tupac. She was shooting at him with an RCP90 grazing his lip and causing him to crash.
Now that would be awesome.
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firstfiero Member
Posts: 4879 From: york,pa,17403 Registered: Dec 2000
I know here in pa a gated comunity takes care of it's own streets from repaving to snow removal that makes them private.
It also looks like the cops are pissed that they have nothing to force him in with so they are working on getting his medical records opened up so they can find out if there has been any history of domestic violence and/or he has been using any pain killers for injuries. lol as I said until they find something there is nothing that forces him to talk to the cops about a simple one car automobile accident.
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deceler8 Member
Posts: 2139 From: Sioux City, Iowa USA Registered: Sep 1999
especially if he just ran into a neighbors tree. As far as I know, expecially if in an auto accident you have to give the police your license and insurance card. Who knows if hes done that?
Tiger's don't change the color of their stripes, regardless of what their mates want. 
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