quote Originally posted by 2.5: What you did there is what I don't like about Conn's posts. I always find myself wishing he would stay on task, and not hop to just pointing a finger back. No offense.

Except that Conn shifted the focus of the discussion to "Nearly three decades of misguided political and economic philosophy and policy." I feel justified in bringing that point to his attention, since he took the discussion there.

quote Originally posted by Pyrthian: as in was part of what got us here?

One vote ? Don't look. How did he vote ?

quote Originally posted by fierobear: Except that Conn shifted the focus of the discussion to "Nearly three decades of misguided political and economic philosophy and policy." I feel justified in bringing that point to his attention, since he took the discussion there.

I do understand.

quote Originally posted by Christine: 1. Did you get what you were expecting? 2. Do you think he is doing what he said he would do? 3. Do you think he is taking the country in the right direction? I am just curious.

Yes I voted for him.

1. I did get exactly what I was expecting and a lot more even faster than I could have imagined. I am now amazed at the fact that this country has not retaliated against his ridiculously stupid spending. I honestly thought it would take a lot less to get people pissed and wake up. I was wrong. We are beyond redemption and really do deserve to be cattle for the elite.

2. In general he is not and will not live up to many most of his promises but that is par for course. The public is so freaking stupid even I can't blame politicians for screwing us all over any chance they can. We totally deserve to be ****ed hard,slapped and told to make breakfast.

3. He is not taking the country in the right direction by most peoples standards but as far as that goes what president has in the last 40 years?
I am disappointed that he has taken this country in the wrong direction and no one seems to care. To me the wrong direction is the right direction so we can cut to the chase of a final demise a lot faster.
McCain would have shored things up and tried to do things right and that would have just enabled another league of pussified liberals to strengthen their resolve to achieve utopia.
So the right direction is to destroy our economy and totally demoralize the left by supporting their messiahs every whim and either eliminate or rebuild the fairytale views of the liberal agenda breaking the delusional elite serving army so that reality of life may reign again.

quote Originally posted by pokeyfiero: 2. In general he is not and will not live up to many most of his promises but that is par for course. The public is so freaking stupid even I can't blame politicians for screwing us all over any chance they can. We totally deserve to be ****ed hard,slapped and told to make breakfast.

I honestly can say that I'm not 100% confident in him in his recent decisions....BUT I also don't think that he has been given enough time to prove himself. No matter what the issue, things tend to get worse before they get better. He has a mess to clean up, some of it was his fault, but some of it wasn't. The amount of money that he is spending with this so called "bail out plan" , makes me very very nervous!! It is a LOT to just be throwing around.

On the other side of that though, I honestly don't believe that he would do anything to intentionally hurt the economy, and that he is doing this because he feels as if its the right thing to do. We (as the public) don't know 100% of what goes on behind closed doors, so I think its bad for us to jump to our own conclusions as to this being the right or wrong thing to do. I am just hoping that with his expierience and with his team, congress, etc, that they have the best intentions and are genuinly doing what they feel is right...and that ultimatly it IS the right thing to do!

So I guess you could say, I'm in the "wait and see" mode....but really, if you don't like it what other option do we have?

quote Originally posted by sarabear: So I guess you could say, I'm in the "wait and see" mode....but really, if you don't like it what other option do we have?

Even cattle have some options. They can eat what they find and make their choices.
Start feeding them out the bucket and before to long they will eat whatever crap grain mix you put in there. Do you know what cattle get when the bucket stops coming? Wait and see.


Moooooooooooooo!

quote Originally posted by pokeyfiero: Even cattle have some options. They can eat what they find and make their choices. Start feeding them out the bucket and before to long they will eat whatever crap grain mix you put in there. Do you know what cattle get when the bucket stops coming? Wait and see. Moooooooooooooo!

Damn pokey, well said.

quote Originally posted by pokeyfiero: Yes I voted for him. 1. I did get exactly what I was expecting and a lot more even faster than I could have imagined..

Wait, you did vote for him? Out of spite?

quote Originally posted by 2.5: Wait, you did vote for him? Out of spite?

Out of hope that the idiots that believe in his bullshit would learn a hard lesson or be destroyed. Also hoping that enough of us would be left semi intact to bring the constitution back and actually use it as a blueprint for America. Nothing teaches like pain.

I gotta admit Pokey, I didn't WANT to vote for McCain...but I did. Most of the people who voted for Obama are beginning to wish they didn't.

You are the only guy I have met who did what he WANTED to do and is happy about it.

quote Originally posted by pokeyfiero: Out of hope that the idiots that believe in his bullshit would learn a hard lesson or be destroyed. Also hoping that enough of us would be left semi intact to bring the constitution back and actually use it as a blueprint for America. Nothing teaches like pain.

The flaw in your logic is the assumption that those who voted for Obama would realize it was a mistake, know what the mistake(s) are/were, and then we could go in the right direction. Are you seeing many people say "oops, voting for Obama the socialist was a mistake"? Is the news media saying "uh, oh, that wasn't such a great idea"? HELL no. They're clinging to Obama like a cheap suit. So, we will get the disaster you imagined AND people will continue to be ignorant about it. Sucks, don't it?

quote Originally posted by pokeyfiero: Out of hope that the idiots that believe in his bullshit would learn a hard lesson or be destroyed. Also hoping that enough of us would be left semi intact to bring the constitution back and actually use it as a blueprint for America. Nothing teaches like pain.

Thats messed up.

quote Originally posted by Toddster: You are the only guy I have met who did what he WANTED to do and is happy about it.

C'mon, Todd. You know pokey. You and I are among the few who know him well. Are you *really* surprised?

quote Originally posted by fierobear: C'mon, Todd. You know pokey. You and I are among the few who know him well. Are you *really* surprised?

Surpise isn't part of the equation. I don't know any Republicans who were "excited" about McCain until Palin joined the team. So anyone voting for McCain did so with mixed feelings. On the Obama side there was plenty of excitement, but no education/brains for the most part. People voted for Obama because it was "like totally cool" to do so. But those people are now wide awake with a hangover and the person they went home with last night is a lot uglier this morning.

Andrew is the only guy who took home the "ugly friend" with eyes wide open out of some desire to take one for the team. For right or wrong, he knew what he was voting for and got what he expected. That makes him unique in the American electorate. I am just pointing that out.

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His handling of diplomacy has been pathetic at best. So have his choices for positions. And not just the Tax cheat in charge of the IRS. Just look at who he put in charge of the CIA.

quote Originally posted by Toddster: That makes him unique in the American electorate. I am just pointing that out.

Oh, he's DEFINATELY unique!

When the feces hit the fanblades, I'll be up at his ranch, where he has lots of weaponry.

quote Originally posted by fierobear: Oh, he's DEFINATELY unique! When the feces hit the fanblades, I'll be up at his ranch, where he has lots of weaponry.

Nah, When the feces hits the fan Andrew will go into the fertizer business.

**** for sale, come get your fresh ****!

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quote Originally posted by 2.5: Thats messed up.

Monday morning I went to the hospital because my left index finger was swollen and I could even touch it with out screaming.
I dealt with that pain for four days as it got worse.

The doctor said to me you finger has an infection deep inside. I said how when I don't even have a cut. He said the smallest little germ can get in behind the nail or cuticle and grow inside and that had I come in sooner it would have been easily treated. Now it would require a little surgery to remove some destroyed tissue and drain the puss. Unfortunatly locals or freezing wouldn't really numb the area around the nerve that is badly infected so he would have to put me out. I said I had no time to sit around in a hospital waiting for the drugs to wear off so I could drive myself home. Just strap my arm down and cut it open Doc!

I was totally at fault for letting this happen to me. I made the decision to deal with it while I was still able to make a decision not based on emotion.

Doc cut me open,jabbed the forceps inside me wiggling around here and there pulling out dead stuff and then squeezed the hell out of my whole finger to get all the puss out. Then he irrigated it with something cold and hot at the same time.

Job done. I almost died. I wish I can say I was tough but damn it was so incredibly painful. I screamed" WHAT THE HELL DOC!" And then I screamed again some other stuff that I had to apologize for after. I really felt I couldn't take it but of course I had no choice in the matter anymore as it was already happening. I would have said or done anything at that point to stop the pain. Really I would. That **** in the movies is a bunch of crap.

Messed up doesn't even begin to describe my actions. It doesn't mean that they are the wrong actions though. My finger is almost completely healed now.

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quote Originally posted by pokeyfiero: God making money doesn't just get harder now it has to stink! Now I'm really angry.

Hey, when things turn to s***, just make sure you're the guy selling s***!

quote Originally posted by pokeyfiero: Messed up doesn't even begin to describe my actions. It doesn't mean that they are the wrong actions though. My finger is almost completely healed now.

Really it is not wrong to wish harm?
Your logic works on a finger with a germ in it, get it out, bite the bullet, no time.
It does not in this case, you elected the germ into your finger.

quote Originally posted by 2.5: Really it is not wrong to wish harm? Your logic works on a finger with a germ in it, get it out, bite the bullet, no time. It does not in this case, you elected the germ into your finger.

That is not true at all.
The people have elected to not educate themselves and become complacent.
The people have elected to live of the laurels of generations of men and woman that gave everything and more.
The people have elected to fed out of a bucket by their government.
The people have elected to become dead tissue that must be removed to stop the spread of their infection.


You in my opinion have elected to allow your emotions concerning human beings to cloud your thought process.
If the people are the germs causing the problem then treat them like germs. It will hurt but the finger must be saved!

Are you not the people too?

I wonder what percentage voted for these reasons and if the outcome would have been different otherwise.

quote Originally posted by 2.5: Are you not the people too? I wonder what percentage voted for these reasons and if the outcome would have been different otherwise.

I did not want the outcome different.
I am the people too and I am trying to change things as best I can so there is hope whereas the rest are just hoping for change.

Yup... still feel as though I voted the right way for myself and country.

quote Originally posted by pokeyfiero: Out of hope that the idiots that believe in his bullshit would learn a hard lesson or be destroyed. Also hoping that enough of us would be left semi intact to bring the constitution back and actually use it as a blueprint for America. Nothing teaches like pain.

grudge-voting is like grudge-*******. It doesn't help your love life, it p***** off your woman and it hurts your ****. enough said on that subject. LOL

quote Originally posted by sarabear: I honestly can say that I'm not 100% confident in him in his recent decisions....BUT I also don't think that he has been given enough time to prove himself. No matter what the issue, things tend to get worse before they get better. He has a mess to clean up, some of it was his fault, but some of it wasn't. The amount of money that he is spending with this so called "bail out plan" , makes me very very nervous!! It is a LOT to just be throwing around. On the other side of that though, I honestly don't believe that he would do anything to intentionally hurt the economy, and that he is doing this because he feels as if its the right thing to do. We (as the public) don't know 100% of what goes on behind closed doors, so I think its bad for us to jump to our own conclusions as to this being the right or wrong thing to do. I am just hoping that with his expierience and with his team, congress, etc, that they have the best intentions and are genuinly doing what they feel is right...and that ultimatly it IS the right thing to do! So I guess you could say, I'm in the "wait and see" mode....but really, if you don't like it what other option do we have?

Thank you for your reply.

I think most presidents are genuinely motivated by a love of country and desire to help.
That's the problem with elected officials. You have to make a choice, but once that choice is made, you're stuck with it - good or bad. I hope Obama's programs work, but I don't think they will. I believe the economy will recover in spite of his actions, not because of them.

quote Originally posted by sarabear: On the other side of that though, I honestly don't believe that he would do anything to intentionally hurt the economy, and that he is doing this because he feels as if its the right thing to do.

I agree. The problem is that he will hurt the economy with ignorance. The problem is this, Obama is a true beleiver. He truly beleives that there is some kind of nirvana in socialism. He thinks that what he is doing is fair and just. And he could not be more wrong.

It is not his heart I questions, it's his head.

quote Originally posted by Jeremiah: Yup... still feel as though I voted the right way for myself and country.

Thanks for replying.

quote Originally posted by Pyrthian: - but surely a better one than the toilet it has been heading

Not too much difference between a toilet and a urinal.

If I could sell this property for even half its real value right now, Id be gettin out of Dodge and living in the Caribean since theres nothing else keeping me here now that I retired. Then I could watch as the whole place dies a slow (or not so slow) death.

quote Originally posted by rogergarrison: If I could sell this property for even half its real value right now, Id be gettin out of Dodge and living in the Caribean since theres nothing else keeping me here now that I retired. Then I could watch as the whole place dies a slow (or not so slow) death.

this just reminded me of something i was talking about w/ some of my friends,
anyone else think that right now would be a great time to annex some of our territories? would be nice if obamas bills could go to improving the quality of life there, which would create jobs for teachers, doctors, and all kinds of construction workers as we build schools hospitals and misc buildings, which would be a REAL way to stimulate the economy, rather than giving $13/week to anyone who still has a job. it would also increase our tax base, as, correct me if im wrong, but they dont have to pay taxes to the US gov't do they? since they r not technically under US control.

EDIT: sorry about threadjacking there... id delete it but i think that the topic has been stolen so many times it doesnt really matter too much... if you want me to PM me and i will edit this post out.

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quote Originally posted by pontiackid86: Ill admit it i voted for him and heres my stance on it. Just my opinion agree with me or not up to you. I think obama hasent had enough time in office to make a real impact on bushes screw up. Rome wasent built in a day and we cant expect him to be able to fix the economey in just a few months time. Its only going to get worse before it gets better in my opinion. I think if we give him time he will find a solution to the problem.

How old are you if i may ask?

I did and I am.

quote Originally posted by Fastback 86: I did and I am.

Me too.

You have to keep in mind, that for most--or many of the folks who would tend to vote Dem, he has done nothing that would adversely affect their lives.

Or so they think, .

quote Originally posted by Jeremiah: Yup... still feel as though I voted the right way for myself and country.

I just don't get the thought process behind that. What does it take to change your mind?

quote Originally posted by fierobear: I just don't get the thought process behind that. What does it take to change your mind?

Most people vote based on emotion, and to a certain extent begin to identify themselves with their politician of choice. As such it generally takes quite a bit for them to change their opinions. I know more than a few people who voted for Carter, and are still proud they did so.

To be fair, Obama hasn't had much time to accomplish much. But to this date, his decision making, his appointments, his proposals and his policies make me very worried about where we are headed. He appears to be in way over his head (not surprising, since he has no real experience at anything), and his naive infatuation with socialism is deeply troubling.

I just wonder how much it will take to get people to wake up. My fear is that they'll happily surrender more freedom for more empty promises that the govt will take care of them.