1. Did you get what you were expecting? 2. Do you think he is doing what he said he would do? 3. Do you think he is taking the country in the right direction?
I am just curious.
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Posts: 1283 From: Wheeling, WV 26003 Registered: Feb 2000
no, I did NOT vote for Obama (nor did I vote for Bush)
1. Did you get what you were expecting? 1> yes
2. Do you think he is doing what he said he would do? 2> noone ever has - so, thats a wash
3. Do you think he is taking the country in the right direction? 3> not the right direction - but surely a better one than the toilet it has been heading
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Fiero STS Member
Posts: 2045 From: Wyoming, MN. usa Registered: Nov 2001
Originally posted by connecticutFIERO: You bet, I read through these threads blaming him for this and that on here, and I am amazed at how petty and ill informed most of it is.
Yet you do not enlighten us ? It can't still be Bush's fault. Who do we blame now ?
Yet you do not enlighten us ? It can't still be Bush's fault. Who do we blame now ?
Nearly three decades of misguided political and economic philosophy and policy. That's all I'll say I'm not going to argue with you guys again, I can't respond to 20 people not listening to my point of view all at once anymore, it's not worth the time it takes.
Ill admit it i voted for him and heres my stance on it. Just my opinion agree with me or not up to you.
I think obama hasent had enough time in office to make a real impact on bushes screw up. Rome wasent built in a day and we cant expect him to be able to fix the economey in just a few months time. Its only going to get worse before it gets better in my opinion. I think if we give him time he will find a solution to the problem.
Wait, wasn't the first messiah Cinton in there for some of those three decades?
And does no one recognize how all this printing of money is just across-the-board (including the poor helpless lower and middle class folks) back-door taxation through reduced value of your dollars? Just wondering if no one else sees it that way.
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Nearly three decades of misguided political and economic philosophy and policy. That's all I'll say I'm not going to argue with you guys again, I can't respond to 20 people not listening to my point of view all at once anymore, it's not worth the time it takes.
I think the president has taken the same stance.
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jaskispyder Member
Posts: 21510 From: Northern MI Registered: Jun 2002
Obama doesn't know what he is doing. He is messing with the economy and because of this, companies that should have failed, have not and we, the tax payers will be paying for this for decades. He is making things worse. Why does he believe the government should TRY to fix everything.... oh right.. he is a socialist. This is the problem. Obama doesn't have faith in America, the free. He believes government should run everything.
The economy would fix itself, with the proper regulatory oversite, not just dumping trillions of dollars into the private business, then complaining about how they spent it. Economist agree that this is not the way to handle it.
Did anyone actually read the stimulus package bill? How could they? It was rushed through by the Dems and Obama signed it. This is where he screwed up and this mistake will haunt him..... this won't be his only blunder, there are going to be many more. We will be comparing Obama with Carter and talking about how good things were with Carter (shutter....)
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Originally posted by pontiackid86:
Ill admit it i voted for him and heres my stance on it. Just my opinion agree with me or not up to you.
I think obama hasent had enough time in office to make a real impact on bushes screw up. Rome wasent built in a day and we cant expect him to be able to fix the economey in just a few months time. Its only going to get worse before it gets better in my opinion. I think if we give him time he will find a solution to the problem.
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jstricker Member
Posts: 12956 From: Russell, KS USA Registered: Apr 2002
You know, I kinda agree with you. People wanting to judge BO by what the economy has done since inauguration are being a little hasty, IMHO. However, so far I give him an "F" on his appointments. Geitner is clueless about what is happening and they still haven't filled almost all of the appointments in treasury. That's inexcusable. Those names should have been listed, vetted, and ready for confirmation before BO ever took office.
I'm not sure BO even realizes that he's the President yet. Maybe it will come to him. I hope so, and I hope he realizes it quickly and quits screwing around on late night talk shows.
I do have to wonder why you think that "if we give him time he will find a solution to the problem"? What in his history of achievements and experience leads you to believe he has the answer to any of the problems we face?
John Stricker
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Originally posted by pontiackid86:
Ill admit it i voted for him and heres my stance on it. Just my opinion agree with me or not up to you.
I think obama hasent had enough time in office to make a real impact on bushes screw up. Rome wasent built in a day and we cant expect him to be able to fix the economey in just a few months time. Its only going to get worse before it gets better in my opinion. I think if we give him time he will find a solution to the problem.
You know, I kinda agree with you. People wanting to judge BO by what the economy has done since inauguration are being a little hasty, IMHO. However, so far I give him an "F" on his appointments. Geitner is clueless about what is happening and they still haven't filled almost all of the appointments in treasury. That's inexcusable. Those names should have been listed, vetted, and ready for confirmation before BO ever took office.
I'm not sure BO even realizes that he's the President yet. Maybe it will come to him. I hope so, and I hope he realizes it quickly and quits screwing around on late night talk shows.
I do have to wonder why you think that "if we give him time he will find a solution to the problem"? What in his history of achievements and experience leads you to believe he has the answer to any of the problems we face?
John Stricker
The only reason i say that is the economey is a very fargile thing. us americans as people dictate more of what happens to it than the goverment does. Sure he can thro another tax check to all of us but all were going to do it hoard it for our selves and not put it back into curculation. the economey is not somthing you can pull and answer to out of thin air. its going to take research studying and much much more than what he can do in the 3 months of being president.
3. Do you think he is taking the country in the right direction? 3> not the right direction - but surely a better one than the toilet it has been heading
Uh, thats a big NO.
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Ill admit it i voted for him and heres my stance on it. Just my opinion agree with me or not up to you.
I think obama hasent had enough time in office to make a real impact on bushes screw up. Rome wasent built in a day and we cant expect him to be able to fix the economey in just a few months time. Its only going to get worse before it gets better in my opinion. I think if we give him time he will find a solution to the problem.
Aw man, you bought it. You have to look at what he has done so far, what his plans are. This will show you that where he is taking us is not a place many would like to be. Also if you only look at the economy you are being blinded of teh subtle moves beneath.
IMO
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Posts: 43235 From: Southern MN Registered: May 2007
You didn't answer the question. I'm not trying to be difficult here, but look at the facts.
He hasn't really done well on most of his appointments. Geitner was billed as "THE ONE AN ONLY" that was smart enough to guide us out of this mess, and they can't seem to find anyone that wants to work with him. Before the election, BO was having all these meetings with people like Warren Buffett and other big money folks to "advise" him, where are they now? Heard from them lately? BO goes on TV when he's trying to get his stimulus package through and just flat out lies, saying that the CEO of Caterpillar told him that if the package passes, he'll hire some 25,000 employees back the next day. He never said that and told people that the next day, but it was ignored.
Our economy is NOT fragile, if it's allowed to work. BO has the idea that we as people don't know what's best for us. We should not be allowed to fail or succeed, each to their own abilities, we need the playing field leveled and big brother to help out those with less ability by bringing down those with greater ability.
That's not how this country was built and shows a massive misunderstanding on his part of what this country is all about and how it was built.
John Stricker
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Originally posted by pontiackid86:
The only reason i say that is the economey is a very fargile thing. us americans as people dictate more of what happens to it than the goverment does. Sure he can thro another tax check to all of us but all were going to do it hoard it for our selves and not put it back into curculation. the economey is not somthing you can pull and answer to out of thin air. its going to take research studying and much much more than what he can do in the 3 months of being president.
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Posts: 12956 From: Russell, KS USA Registered: Apr 2002
Ill admit it i voted for him and heres my stance on it. Just my opinion agree with me or not up to you.
I think obama hasent had enough time in office to make a real impact on bushes screw up. Rome wasent built in a day and we cant expect him to be able to fix the economey in just a few months time. Its only going to get worse before it gets better in my opinion. I think if we give him time he will find a solution to the problem.
It's not the economy he is being judged on, it is his actions to DEAL with the economy that he is being judged on. If you came across a person who had just been hit by a car and was bleeding to death, no one would blame you for the incident, but if your solution to the problem was to place a tourniquet around the victim's neck, then you will be rightfully judged for making a bad situation worse.
The faithful will argue, "well at least he did SOMETHING". To which I would argue that as far as presidents go, we deserve someone who just doesn't do "something" but does the RIGHT thing.
Obama has, in less than 60 days, tripled the deficit, increased the national debt by over $1 Trillion dollars (conservatively speaking), insulted our allies and our own citizens, partied down instead of hunkering down, and proposed a tax structure that is sure to keep the unemployment trend on the rise.
Not good.
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Toddster Member
Posts: 20871 From: Roswell, Georgia Registered: May 2001
I am amazed at how petty and ill informed most of it is.
I've seen some petty stuff, and I have pointed out what I believe is petty.
Regarding ill informed, or expecting results too fast--I feel that is an unfair characterization. I don't remember anyone on here expecting a miraculous short-term turn around.
What people HAVE been expecting is reasonable performance.
But look at what he has actually DONE:
appoints one of the guys that was asleep at the wheel in oversight of the situation in the first place, in Geithner. Who turns out to have a blatant disregard for paying taxes. Two MAJOR strikes against him, the worst of the two being his inadequate regulatory performance. Yet Obama's decision making says he is the ONLY one for the job. Well, that hurts credibility of Obama's ability to make decisions.
Then it is a crisis and we MUST act now. So a bill is rushed through that people simply had no practical way to even READ. Even if you decide it is a crisis, what does that say about a congress and a president that don't even bother to read the bill. I don't care which side of the aisle you are on. We the people DESERVE better than that.
So then they vote and Obama signs a bill with specific wording to allow the AIG bonuses. Then Obama goes on national tv and says he is stunned about it. Well, then, there is a further hit to his credibility. You were either too sloppy to see it coming because you weren't even aware of what you were signing, or you DID know and you are lying about it.
So then Obama is talking about "getting it back" by approving a targeted, selective income tax on those specific individuals at a rate of about 90 to 95%. Well, I don't think that is even constitutional. But even if it was, you would support a guy that selectively targets individuals as far as taxes?
connecticutFiero, you know over the years that I'm not one that is sitting around trying to debate and argue and insult and nitpick with you. You clearly know what bias I am coming from, and you know due to that how I feel about Obama or any blatant socialist. So of COURSE I am going to be against his policies.
Setting that aside, his PERFORMANCE has been abysmal. Bad appointments. Lack of attention and scrutiny to his own decisions and bills. Lack of demonstrating the consequences of his decisions. (Prime example--we MUST STOP these "reward" meetings at resorts by the investment companies. OK. Unintended consequence. No stimulation of the economy by airplane flights, hotel rooms filled, restaurants, etc. I'm not arguing they are exorbitant. But I wasn't the one trying to artifically stimulate the economy...except then I just stopped stimulating it by targeting these trips).
I don't expect you to take the time to respond to this post, and not because I think you are ducking it. You already stated your reasons.
I DO appreciate your responding to the thread question. AND, personally, I hope things are going well for you. Haven't "talked" with you for a while.
Obama doesn't know what he is doing. He is messing with the economy and because of this, companies that should have failed, have not and we, the tax payers will be paying for this for decades. He is making things worse. Why does he believe the government should TRY to fix everything.... oh right.. he is a socialist. This is the problem. Obama doesn't have faith in America, the free. He believes government should run everything.
businesses fail and go under, new ones start... thats how it works. giving a failing business money is obviously NOT the answer.
amazing this thread is actually not bad yet
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Posts: 43235 From: Southern MN Registered: May 2007
Originally posted by cliffw: Yet you do not enlighten us ? It can't still be Bush's fault. Who do we blame now ?
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Originally posted by connecticutFIERO: Nearly three decades of misguided political and economic philosophy and policy. That's all I'll say I'm not going to argue with you guys again, I can't respond to 20 people not listening to my point of view all at once anymore, it's not worth the time it takes.
Conn, I can somewhat appreciate your frustration in that you seem to be out numbered in opinion. That should be no reason to hide. Tell you what. Give me a format where I am out numbered and I will argue my case there. I did support Bush(Repulsivecans) and have few regrets. The pro Bush stance was attacked many times and defended just as many. It is sad to see that no Obama(Dumbocrats) supporters are willing to defend.
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Formula88 Member
Posts: 53788 From: Raleigh NC Registered: Jan 2001
Ok, so that makes it six of one and half a dozen of another.....whats your point? lol
Will reply longer at some point today....busy at work today...
I look forward to your reply. Do you agree with what he's done so far, or are you in a "wait and see" mode to see if his changes work? I genuinely would like to hear your opinion.
The only reason i say that is the economey is a very fargile thing. us americans as people dictate more of what happens to it than the goverment does. Sure he can thro another tax check to all of us but all were going to do it hoard it for our selves and not put it back into curculation. the economey is not somthing you can pull and answer to out of thin air. its going to take research studying and much much more than what he can do in the 3 months of being president.
Then maybe it would have been better to vote for McCain, who has over 20 years experience in congress?
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Posts: 29569 From: Detroit, MI Registered: Jul 2002
You bet, I read through these threads blaming him for this and that on here, and I am amazed at how petty and ill informed most of it is.
Then please set us straight. Give us factual information that proves that Obama isn't planted both feet down in the middle of this mess.
Demonstrate how Barney Frank and Chris Dodd aren't somehow responsible for the financial situation. Show us how Obama didn't know about the payouts when he promoted and signed the bill that allowed them. Defend Chris Dodd's lie about not being involved in writing and passing the bill. Discount Geithner's lie about his knowledge of the bonuses.
I guess you missed all the stuff that Bush got blamed for. But you don't seem to mind that. Interesting.
What you did there is what I don't like about Conn's posts. I always find myself wishing he would stay on task, and not hop to just pointing a finger back. No offense.
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fierobear Member
Posts: 27115 From: Safe in the Carolinas Registered: Aug 2000
Uh...no, McCain tried to introduce legislation to increase regulations on Fannie and Freddie that would have helped prevent the mortgage crisis. Democrats wouldn't have any of that.
businesses fail and go under, new ones start... thats how it works. giving a failing business money is obviously NOT the answer.
