Maybe it's time for some introspection? And before you start typing a pithy retort, take a breath and realize that's not an attack. If you engender that kind of aggression both online and in real life, it might be healthy to ask yourself why. Remember the only common denominator in all of your interpersonal relationships .... is you.
Very wise. And that's not a slam on the recipiant of the above advice, It's just that in my younger days, I ended up finding some things inside myself when I looked deep enough, that helped explane some of the things that were happening to me in my life. I found I was the maker of most of my own damn problems..............................
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darkhorizon Member
Posts: 12279 From: Flint Michigan Registered: Jan 2006
I noticed one of your replies in FieroX's thread for mounts/axles in 'General Fiero' that was way off topic and basically rude it made me actually reply and laugh. I haven't paid much attention to any others though, but that might be something to look at.
What did I say?
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darkhorizon Member
Posts: 12279 From: Flint Michigan Registered: Jan 2006
Maybe it's time for some introspection? And before you start typing a pithy retort, take a breath and realize that's not an attack. If you engender that kind of aggression both online and in real life, it might be healthy to ask yourself why. Remember the only common denominator in all of your interpersonal relationships .... is you.
With all respect, this is what I am doing, I am trying to understand why I am the problem... I already knew this as it is only logical if I have a un-natural amount of hate projected tward me, I dont automatically assume its all everyone elses fault. I didnt make that very clear in my original post.
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NoMoreRicers Member
Posts: 2192 From: Spokane, WA Registered: Mar 2009
With all respect, this is what I am doing, I am trying to understand why I am the problem... I already knew this as it is only logical if I have a un-natural amount of hate projected tward me, I dont automatically assume its all everyone elses fault. I didnt make that very clear in my original post.
You are specifically the one that should hate me, because supposedly you are my biggest victim. By you, i mean new fiero people looking for information.
Your the one always saying its just the internet, don't take it seriously people. Who really cares man. I met you at the 25th and chatted briefly with you. I was the young guy, about your age we talked about 3800sc swaps. You were nice to and i enjoyed talking with ya. I can't tell if this a joke thread or what man. But really, who caressss
And as for xceedspeed, pretty much half thieves/thugs/civicgtrfanboi's
Sounds like a high school girls restroom in here..............lol.....whens the hair pulling start ?
lol. ya..... ya, it does.
In all seriousness.... I'm not sure any of us here can claim we've never had the occasional run in with fellow members. ....especially if you frequent the o/t section. But you say your piece and move on. Tomorrow's a new day. Online arguments / grudges / , etc. are pointless, and usually easy to avoid anyway. This is why I rarely post in threads on politics, religion, etc. ...that's asking for trouble . But if people are constantly hassling you, then there's a chance you are doing something to fuel the fire. I haven't witnessed any of these "attacks", but most people here mean well, and aren't going to jump you unless they feel it's warranted. ...ask pontiackid about the heat he takes for his grammar.
I come here for information, and entertainment.... try to make my posts as constructive as possible, and not step on toes. It's easy to misunderstand people when there's no tone attached to the text. So I consider my wording before I click "reply".
....But I don't think this type of thread will help your cause (not sure if that's your intention). My suggestion... if you find yourself not enjoying your time here anymore, then correct it however you see fit. ...maybe that means a break. ...maybe it means changing your posting habits.... or maybe confront those who you have a hard time with directly. ...But I wouldn't expect anything to change for the better as a result of this thread. .....personally, the last thing I would have wanted to do was create a thread drawing attention to all this. But to each there own... hopefully it works out for you.
I think this is the root of your problems. Being able to predict the way in which others will respond to what you say and do is a very useful skill in life. Unfortunately, you just don't appear to be very good at it.
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AusFiero Member
Posts: 11513 From: Dapto NSW Australia Registered: Feb 2001
You are specifically the one that should hate me, because supposedly you are my biggest victim. By you, i mean new fiero people looking for information.
well, you could help me out on my "differnt swaps" topic, but it's alright. i forgive ya
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joshh44 Member
Posts: 2166 From: Nanaimo, B.C, Canada Registered: Aug 2007
thats one thing i hate about the internet. it doesnt have any emotion. you could be all jolly and happy and type something out. joking around, or just giving someone an opinion. but the reader could take it the wrong way and think your bashing them or trying to piss them off.
i have seen some of your replys to peoples questions. some of them i dont agree with. but who knows. you could be joking around, i dont know. and there are other times you give out some very usefull information.
but i think making a thread complaining about why every seems to hate you. its like you want us to feel sorry for you or something. im not going to be that person. you can do what you like. eather stay. or go. its up to you. no offence but you can be an ass sometimes. tho im sure everyone has been an ass at some point
im not trying to piss you off or anything. but just suck it up and be a man
You have to look at the psychological aspect of car Forums People who spend their lives trying to go faster, and be better than everybody else, are just projecting their own perceived shortcomings in themSELVES, IMHO. A lack of self esteem within, which they feel they cannot improve upon. And so they transfer that desire to be the 'best' to an inanimate object that they CAN control and improve and make 'the best'..the fastest..the prettiest etc. Now, you get a bunch of like-minded people together, and they are all trying to project their personalities and aspirations and , let's face it, one-upmanship on the same type of person.And so the resentment, animosity and pent-up emotions just spill out. very often people try to 'help' others because they want to appear to be 'better' than their perceived 'rival', rather than actually wanting to 'help'. This is bound to lead to confrontation between the same types of people, again in MHO.It is, in the main part, as you people often call it ...a 'dick-banging' competition, to an outsider. These are all my own opinions, not read anywhere else, and from my life-time experience of being around 'people'. It doesn't happen just amongst car people...it happens in all walks of life. The amount of unjustified rivalry between musicians and singers, for example, is just as verbally, and often personally, abrasive. It is all about ego. Again my own personal opinion. So, I believe things will never change so long as you remain competitive above wanting to actually help. Nothing wrong with being competitive, so long as you have the mindset to be able to cope with the very thing you are indulging in. Competing. Nick
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Posts: 43235 From: Southern MN Registered: May 2007
Some must have felt an attitude coming from you maybe, and struck back. Sometimes these things are done in error. Also there are some people out there you gotta just take their words as a grain of poop. I hope I haven't contributed.
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82-T/A [At Work] Member
Posts: 25577 From: Florida USA Registered: Aug 2002
Originally posted by darkhorizon: Well, the real "trigger" to the latest event, was something that this "darthfiero" ryan said. He was saying that although the things I post in the tech section are accurate, and correct, 1/100 times I do not post "enough explaination" and he is "tired" of fixing these things. I dont get that I would be flamed, and harassed about this.
So when someone attacks the ONE reason i come to this site, and said it flat out smells like crap, and is only useful for making people screw things up instead fix them, I took great offense to it.
The saddest part of all, i actually held this guy in high regard in the fiero world... but I was a real misjudge of character in that situation it seems... A truly frustrating experience if you ask me.
You can't let stuff on internet boards get you pissed off. I probably got too "involved" in the Off Topic area of CrownVic.Net (I have a modified 2002 Crown Victoria LX and there's a website for Crown Vic owners too... hahah...). Anyway, it was political in nature, and I let it get the best of me, and now I'm banned. Hahah...
It bothered me for a while, mostly because I lost access to a very helpful website where I could post questions and ask. I don't personally think I'm a "master", but as far as a "stock" Fiero goes, there isn't much more information that I personally would gain from here. So, I enjoy coming on here and giving my advice to others. I still learn constantly, but I've owned 9 Fieros, stripped one of them, rebuilt a couple of them... so the knowledge is there. You just can't let this stuff get to you...
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Nah, people hate me IRL too.. They do in ways much more threatening too.
I had a voicemail up on the internet of some local guy that he left on my phone threatening to beat the sh!t out of me if I showed up at the "local race spot". The few friends I have think its sorta a cool setup, and they respect my knowledge and ask my opinion on things alot, because they trust me, but there are far more people I know like that that lay down the hate.
Well, I think this may have more to do with the fact that you live near Detroit. I mean, like it was said in another thread... if a movie producer needs a city block that they can literally blow up with explosives, but don't feel like cleaning it up, or filling out city permits... they just pick a random spot in downtown Detroit. (No negatives please, I like Michigan, just stating the obvious).
You have to look at the psychological aspect of car Forums People who spend their lives trying to go faster, and be better than everybody else, are just projecting their own perceived shortcomings in themSELVES, IMHO. A lack of self esteem within, which they feel they cannot improve upon. And so they transfer that desire to be the 'best' to an inanimate object that they CAN control and improve and make 'the best'..the fastest..the prettiest etc. Now, you get a bunch of like-minded people together, and they are all trying to project their personalities and aspirations and , let's face it, one-upmanship on the same type of person.And so the resentment, animosity and pent-up emotions just spill out. very often people try to 'help' others because they want to appear to be 'better' than their perceived 'rival', rather than actually wanting to 'help'. This is bound to lead to confrontation between the same types of people, again in MHO.It is, in the main part, as you people often call it ...a 'dick-banging' competition, to an outsider.
Nick
Hah... well, I wouldn't lump us all into that category.
Would I reject it if someone said, Here's a FREE LS1 powered medium metallic blue, hard top 1987 Fiero Coupe with a 6-Speed manual, and a Fiero Formula engine cradle and rear suspension added on, and grey interior.... would I say NO? Definitely not...
But, I am on here because the past 13 years of my hobby life with cars was fairly centered around Pontiac Fieros. It was my FIRST car (which I still have) and while I did go through phases of trying to make it faster, my goal is to totally restore my car into a SOLID, RELIABLE performer that runs high 14s in the quarter on a good day, has every option available (and maybe a couple of subtle custom ones like heated mirrors), but that looks 100% totally stock. (which is why I went with a high compression 3.2 conversion).
I'm so anal about making the car look stock, that I even painted my Accel ignition coil, and my 17lb Accel injectors with black engine enamel (so anyone looking would think it was totally stock).
Looking in the engine bay, the car would appear to be TOTALLY stock... The ONLY thing I'm doing is having my manifolds (ported but stock) and my Y-pipe (ported but stock) ceramic coated. Since really... a dull ceramic coat finish would look pretty close to what they would have looked like when new anyway.
I'm also going with stainless steel braided brake lines, and new braided and stainless fuel lines just for added safety and performance. No one really notices them, and the safety and performance benefit greatly outweighs the cons.
Anyway... that's me... I just want to be able to relive my youth when I was 18, had no responsibilities, no cares in the world, and I would hop into my Fiero and take a road trip across the US without a care in the world.
I'm not an old fart now, but I'm coming on 31 now and with a daughter a wife, a career, and finishing school... these responsibilities take most of my time. So any time I get to spend on my Fiero makes it like I still haven't let go of what has made me who I am today.
I had sex in that car a couple times, with some REALLY hot girls... I went to MANY places in the US with that car... through mountains, to the Keys, to New Orleans... That car stayed with me through all the difficult times in my life. Not to suggest my life has been hard, because it hasn't... but it was there during times when I was laid off, or any other difficult time. It ONLY left me stranded ONCE, and that was 100 meters from a Discount Auto Parts store.
I LOVE this friggin car. Not in the same way I love my daughter and my wife, obviously... but I'll be damned if anyone ever takes this car from me.
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: You can't let stuff on internet boards get you pissed off. I probably got too "involved" in the Off Topic area of CrownVic.Net (I have a modified 2002 Crown Victoria LX and there's a website for Crown Vic owners too... hahah...). Anyway, it was political in nature, and I let it get the best of me, and now I'm banned. Hahah...
You can't let people get to you...
Whoaaaaa there Tonto, Crown Vic owners have a website? I'm gonna have to go check that out. Do they have a performance section? I understand folks get together for a lot of reasons, I just never thought of the Crown Vic as a rallying point. Camaros, Mustangs, Vetts, Vipers, 57 Chevys, ect...., I understand, Crown Vics, never thought about it. Hmm, interesting. Sorry about that, back to your regularly scheduled thread.
Ron
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2.5 Member
Posts: 43235 From: Southern MN Registered: May 2007
Whoaaaaa there Tonto, Crown Vic owners have a website? I'm gonna have to go check that out. Do they have a performance section? I understand folks get together for a lot of reasons, I just never thought of the Crown Vic as a rallying point. Camaros, Mustangs, Vetts, Vipers, 57 Chevys, ect...., I understand, Crown Vics, never thought about it. Hmm, interesting. Sorry about that, back to your regularly scheduled thread.
Although I don't know you well I've met you in person, viewed some of your projects, and read some of your posts / replies on PFF. For a young man your age, you have abilities that not many other people have.
In order to be respected, a person has to prove themselves by example (the work they do). This cannot be done effectively on an internet forum, because pictures and words typed cannot take the place of the real thing.
You probably haven't lived enough life yet to master "tact" ( at my age it is still difficult ) and to ignore insults regarding your abilities.
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82-T/A [At Work] Member
Posts: 25577 From: Florida USA Registered: Aug 2002
Whoaaaaa there Tonto, Crown Vic owners have a website? I'm gonna have to go check that out. Do they have a performance section? I understand folks get together for a lot of reasons, I just never thought of the Crown Vic as a rallying point. Camaros, Mustangs, Vetts, Vipers, 57 Chevys, ect...., I understand, Crown Vics, never thought about it. Hmm, interesting. Sorry about that, back to your regularly scheduled thread.
Ron
Yeah, you'd be pretty impressed. There is a LOT you can do to upgrade your Crown Vic. I have my 2002 Ford Crown Victoria LX-P74 just breaking into the 14s, and it STILL has the column shifter, the massive leather bench seat, it still is completely quiet inside, it still cruises smoothly, shifts smoothly at low rpms and low throttle, AND... I friggin got 28.1 miles to the gallon on my trip from South Florida to Southern Georgia... DEAD friggin serious. AND... get this... it still has whitewall 16" tires, stock 16" wheels, and 2.73:1 unlimited slip rear end.
I love this friggin car... it's completely quiet unless I'm at wide open throttle, and then it's down-right scary to be next to me... (sounds like an AMG Mercedes at WOT).
Obviously, it doesn't handle well... I have the stock LX (non-sport) suspension with the only difference being air shocks in the rear so I can adjust the height when I tow stuff (it has a Class 3/4 hitch on it).
But I've done the following modifications:
Steeda Underdrive Pulleys ECM Reflash (87 Octane) by Blue Oval Chips. - Increases transmission line pressure based on throttle. So if I'm at 1/4 throttle... you don't feel the shifts, but at wot, it'll send my wife into the back seat. Grand Marquis LSE Dual Exhuast w/ Resonators (keeps it quiet, but very efficient) H-Pipe (GM LSE) Magnaflow Header-Pipes (slightly higher flowing catalytic converters with mandrel bent tubing) 70mm Ford Racing Performance Parts throttle body (replaces the stock 65mm). 2004 P71 Air Intake Tube (replaces the one that has all the air baffles and crap) Mercury Marauder 80mm MAF and Air Box (much larger than stock, significantly improved air flow, looks totally stock) Steeda Intake Spacer (doesn't do much, but increases volume in intake for a 1/10th of a second quicker response time at WOT)
It's awesome because my goal was to make something that was REALLY quick, but that retained ALL of it's "stock" characteristics... meaning that... it's something I can take my wife to dinner in, and have the ride be really quiet, and really comfortable, but... if should I decide to drop the hammer.... BAM...
It could be a bit quicker there are several Vics of my model year range that are running solid mid/high 14s, but I've decided to keep my 2.73:1 rear gears. I stay in first much longer which actually helps... but the gearing is more economic. I s**t you not... I achieved a 28.1 mpg best average on my last trip to Georgia from Fort Lauderdale... totally blew me away.
Hey, get me unbanned... I joined in on a conversation about Muslim extreemists and I think the admin got me confused with another Todd there and told me that if I did one more thing I was banned. So... I told him to kiss my ass and that he could keep his old fart board. Hah....
Hey man ever heard the phrase" It takes all kinds to make the world go round"? Everybody is an Ahole to someone we just need to try and keep those limited. Gotta have thick skin. As far as you giving out info you have replied to a few post of mine. Information was short and sweet but it will get someone pointed in the right direction anyway. As far as holding you responsible for not enough info in a post man thats their problem for not doing enough research. I haven't been bashed much but all you can do is take it and keep doin what you do. BY the way I have some tuning questions with a DHP if you think you could help.
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Pyrthian Member
Posts: 29569 From: Detroit, MI Registered: Jul 2002
first off: you dont need to "back up" what you say. if someone does not beleive you, that is their problem. there is no convincing ANYONE who wants to live in ignorance.
next: opinion is NOT fact. many people speak of their opinions as if they are fact, and will lash at all who oppose.
and, lastly - there were plenty of witnesses to the 12.2 run - I was one of them.
but, I know sometimes it is tough to not get dragged into it. you have proven yourself a valueable member to PFF. it will be shame when ignorant bickering gets the best of you. and, also, I am sure your results really bug many who have spent big $$$ on their cars, only to get beat by an ugly 3 tone Fiero, with a rusty dusty engine bay & wagon wheel rims. and, your dedication to your work. who else would spend all night to get someone elses car ready for the waterford track day? many say they would. YOU DID IT.
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darkhorizon Member
Posts: 12279 From: Flint Michigan Registered: Jan 2006
Another "reason" for this thread exists because I feel my success in the business world depends on my ability to work with fellow professionals in the world. When someone attacks me in person, I dont have a very hard time defending myself, but I would like to avoid that in the first place... as it may end up costing me my job, or promotions in the future.
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who else would spend all night to get someone elses car ready for the waterford track day?
When I finally showed up to waterford I was still only on like 5 hours of sleep for the last 2 days, heh. It was even worse spending that WHOLE previous day at the track... that takes alot out of me. And due to a "bargaining mistake" I didnt make a cent for any of that work I got conned into that week.... My local buddies still harass me for letting that guy rip me off.
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there is no convincing ANYONE who wants to live in ignorance.
I generally give people the benefit of the doubt... if they say one thing, I will normally give them a chance to support it, then I can argue the SUPPORT with it logically... Some people do not like this method of discussion and they feel that I am attacking their support structure of knowledge/information.
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Another "reason" for this thread exists because I feel my success in the business world depends on my ability to work with fellow professionals in the world. When someone attacks me in person, I dont have a very hard time defending myself, but I would like to avoid that in the first place... as it may end up costing me my job, or promotions in the future.
The only advise I can give you on this is to grow a thicker skin. I deal with jerks on a daily basis, one of which I'd like to punt over the goal posts but, that would not be good for my career so I take what "he" says in stride, consider the source and move on with life. As far as what is said on the forum, apparently you've proven to some that your car runs as you have stated, let others tell the story and if someone doesn't want to believe it , ok who really cares.
Pyrthian and I have debated many topics and haven't always agreed on some things but, he seems to be honest in his convictions and I take him on his word. If you say you ran a 12.2 and he says he saw you run a 12.2, I believe it. For those that don't, do you really care?
Ron
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darkhorizon Member
Posts: 12279 From: Flint Michigan Registered: Jan 2006
I race because its fun, I talk crap about racing, because its fun... some people take "racing" way to seriously... I am not saying that this is anyone on the fourm here, but I do have some issues with locals... They think that I am bragging my car is way better than everyone elses, and that I am COMPLETELY RETARDED for thinking that a $100 fiero is cool at all. It took me YEARS to understand that they were dead serious and they just plainly hated on me due to my fiero. I never cared if I was the fastest, best, whatever, I just thought that my results after doing my work here with fieros were unique due to me doing things a bit different and I THOUGHT I could prove there were different ways to build a 3800 swap... I basically just wanted people to acknowledge my views, they didnt need to agree with them, but I think its my fault that I could have pushed my ideas on people when they really didnt want to hear them. Now, my minor in college is Human Resource Management / Organizational behavior, which puts me through some of the top leadership and human interaction courses in the country... They have been a real source of my personally changes over the last few years, and I have found that these styles of interaction are not valid in the "real world" if I do not fully understand their side.
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darkhorizon Member
Posts: 12279 From: Flint Michigan Registered: Jan 2006
Darkhorizon, I don't read your tech posts because I'm not the least bit interested in a 3800 swap.
However, I am aware of the fiasco you were involved with regarding YOUR open challenge to race any stick shift V8 Fiero for pink slips, and then your furious back-peddling when Archie stepped up to the plate.
A lot of people here (myself included) didn't think much of your BS bravado coupled with your refusal to back up your challenge. You came across as some young arrogant punk with absolutely no backbone.
Seems to me you were trying awfully hard to look big, and in the end, it turns out you were very very small.
Have you grown up since then?
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I am waiting for the manual v8 guys to accept my challenge, I will race for whatever, money/pinks, heads up best of 5 races pinks style anywhere in the midwest.
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Pyrthian Member
Posts: 29569 From: Detroit, MI Registered: Jul 2002
Originally posted by Patrick: Darkhorizon, I don't read your tech posts because I'm not the least bit interested in a 3800 swap.
However, I am aware of the fiasco you were involved with regarding YOUR open challenge to race any stick shift V8 Fiero for pink slips, and then your furious back-peddling when Archie stepped up to the plate.
A lot of people here (myself included) didn't think much of your BS bravado coupled with your refusal to back up your challenge. You came across as some young arrogant punk with absolutely no backbone.
Seems to me you were trying awfully hard to look big, and in the end, it turns out you were very very small.
Have you grown up since then?
Originally posted by darkhorizon:
I am waiting for the manual v8 guys to accept my challenge, I will race for whatever, money/pinks, heads up best of 5 races pinks style anywhere in the midwest.
well, I missed that - but - he did put up at the 25th Fieros gathered from all around - and his was the fastest he proved his abilities & his dedication to his work
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Toddster Member
Posts: 20871 From: Roswell, Georgia Registered: May 2001
Whoaaaaa there Tonto, Crown Vic owners have a website? I'm gonna have to go check that out. Do they have a performance section? I understand folks get together for a lot of reasons, I just never thought of the Crown Vic as a rallying point. Camaros, Mustangs, Vetts, Vipers, 57 Chevys, ect...., I understand, Crown Vics, never thought about it. Hmm, interesting. Sorry about that, back to your regularly scheduled thread.
Ron
Crown Vics and there sister, the Lincoln Town Car both have forums for each of them.
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darkhorizon Member
Posts: 12279 From: Flint Michigan Registered: Jan 2006
Darkhorizon, I don't read your tech posts because I'm not the least bit interested in a 3800 swap.
However, I am aware of the fiasco you were involved with regarding YOUR open challenge to race any stick shift V8 Fiero for pink slips, and then your furious back-peddling when Archie stepped up to the plate.
A lot of people here (myself included) didn't think much of your BS bravado coupled with your refusal to back up your challenge. You came across as some young arrogant punk with absolutely no backbone.
Seems to me you were trying awfully hard to look big, and in the end, it turns out you were very very small.
Have you grown up since then?
[QUOTE]Originally posted by darkhorizon:
I am waiting for the manual v8 guys to accept my challenge, I will race for whatever, money/pinks, heads up best of 5 races pinks style anywhere in the midwest.
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Being a avid poker player... I saw alot of moves in the way archie worded things when he "challenged" me, that would indicate that he was bluffing... But aside from that I "folded" my hand because I simply didnt have the chips in front of me, as he offered a $5000 challenge to me, that I couldnt have accpeted even if I had a top fuel dragster that he wanted to race heads up against archie on a lawnmower. When I typed money/pinks, the thought in my head would mean a dollar value under the value of my car (roughly $700 or so).... So sure it was a mistake on my part and if I ever "issued a challenge" again I would specifically say a dollar amount.
I usually stay away from taking out a home equity loan against my parents house to race people on the internet.
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DL10 knows whats up with this deal anyway, he is the expert on my v8 relationships.
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The trouble is, DarkHorizon, that the interpretation of the written word can be diametrically opposed from one reader to another. That again will be caused by their own particular mindset of course. However...what specifically was the point of challenging anybody in the first place? Was it to prove your car was faster because you believed it was, or was it just to take a pop at Archie? I think most people who condemned you at the time believed it was the latter, and sprang to Archie's defence, because they like what Archie does. Sure I read the whole thing at the time, but I didn't feel compelled to jump in and grind my axe, simply because I didn't have an axe to grind either way. Were you egged on by the 'Archie sucks' brigade, or did you just want to prove yourself? I have read all the stuff about California Kid and his car, and Orief and heaven knows who else. Again I didn't comment in those threads for the same reason I didn't in yours...and to be honest, I don't give a damn who has the fastest, who built it, and why they built it. I enjoy reading about the developments revealed in the Forums, but I don't want to go grab the latest 'fad' because I don't feel the need to. I am only posting in THIS thread because it isn't specifically about a car or a swap or whatever. It is just because I am interested in what makes people tick. As others have said here: if you feel you have some information, or an opinion or personal experience to do with the subject being discussed , which might be relevant, go ahead and post it. Then don't get drawn into a long haranging match trying to prove you are right, because the other guy(s) will just do the same. You've said your bit, now leave it up to the original poster to choose for themselves. Allow them to possess sufficient intelligence to be persuaded by your intellect, rather than your ability to 'mix' it with somebody who thinks they are right. Nick
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red84sematt Member
Posts: 1413 From: black river falls wisconsin usa Registered: Mar 2006
Then don't get drawn into a long haranging match trying to prove you are right, because the other guy(s) will just do the same. You've said your bit, now leave it up to the original poster to choose for themselves. Allow them to possess sufficient intelligence to be persuaded by your intellect, rather than your ability to 'mix' it with somebody who thinks they are right.
This bit here is key, and can be very hard sometimes The desire to be vindicated has to be put in check sometimes, or you will go insane. No matter what you say, someone can twist it, deflect, misrepresent, whatever to get you off topic and frustrated. Don't play the game. "The only winning move is not to play." Like Nick said, everyone else reading the discussion (and not directly involved) will come to their own conclusions, whether agreeing or disagreeing with you.
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07:16 PM
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Posts: 43235 From: Southern MN Registered: May 2007
Being a avid poker player... I saw alot of moves in the way archie worded things when he "challenged" me, that would indicate that he was bluffing... But aside from that I "folded" my hand because I simply didnt have the chips in front of me, as he offered a $5000 challenge to me, that I couldnt have accpeted even if I had a top fuel dragster that he wanted to race heads up against archie on a lawnmower. When I typed money/pinks, the thought in my head would mean a dollar value under the value of my car (roughly $700 or so).... So sure it was a mistake on my part and if I ever "issued a challenge" again I would specifically say a dollar amount.
I usually stay away from taking out a home equity loan against my parents house to race people on the internet.
It's obvious from how you've posted your response here that you haven't learned a damn thing in regards to taking responsibility for your actions and/or not pissing people off in the process. You still appear to be painting Archie as the culprit here. What's this nonsense about Archie "challenging" you? He was responding to YOUR challenge for crying out loud.
Say what you wish, but YOU were the one who was bluffing. Archie called you on it, and you folded like a house of cards.
Don't issue a challenge you can't back up, no matter how big or important it makes you feel at the time. Get over this need to prove yourself, you'll come across as a whole lot less insecure.
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07:29 PM
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Posts: 38235 From: Displaced Alaskan Registered: Jun 2003
But you say your piece and move on. Tomorrow's a new day. Online arguments / grudges / , etc. are pointless, and usually easy to avoid anyway. This is why I rarely post in threads on politics, religion, etc. ...that's asking for trouble 
. But if people are constantly hassling you, then there's a chance you are doing something to fuel the fire. I haven't witnessed any of these "attacks", but most people here mean well, and aren't going to jump you unless they feel it's warranted. ...ask pontiackid about the heat he takes for his grammar. 
11.08.2007
