quote Originally posted by fierobear: Well, let's take a look at where your money, you kids money, your grandkids' money, and your great grandkids money will be going... A short list of stuff $2 billion earmark for FutureGen near zero emissions powerplant in Mattoon, IL $39 billion slush fund for "state fiscal stabilization" bailout $5.5 billion for making federal buildings "green" (including $448 million for DHS HQ) $200 million for workplace safety in USDA facilities $275 million for flood prevention $65 million for watershed rehabilitation $200 million for public computer centers at community colleges and libraries $650 million for the DTV transition coupon program $307 million for constructing NIST office buildings $1 billion for administrative costs and construction of NOAA office buildings $100 million for constructing U.S. Marshalls office buildings $300 million for constructing FBI office buildings $800 million for constructing Federal Prison System buildings and facilities $10 million to fight Mexican gunrunners $1.3 billion for NASA (including $450 million for "science" at NASA) $100 million to clean up sites used in early U.S. atomic energy program $10 million for urban canals $2 billion for manufacturing advanced batteries for hybrid cars $1.5 billion for carbon capture projects under sec. 703 of P.L. 110-140 (though section only authorizes $1 billion for five years) $300 million for hybrid and electric cars for federal employees $198 million to design and furnish the DHS headquarters $255 million for "priority procurements" at Coast Guard (polar ice breaker) $500 million for State and local fire stations $180 million for construction of Bureau of Land Management facilities $500 million for wildland fire management $110 million for construction for the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service $522 million for construction for the Bureau of Indian Affairs $650 million for abandoned mine sites $75 million for the Smithsonian Institution $1.2 billion for summer jobs for youth $412 million for CDC headquarters $500 million earmark for NIH facilities in Bethesda, MD $160 million for "volunteers" at the Corp. for National and Community Service $750 earmark for the National Computer Center in MD $224 million for International Boundary and Water Commission - U.S. and Mexico $850 million for Amtrak $100 million for lead paint hazard reduction A comprehensive list ================================= Hellooooo? Long term, non-governmental, non-subsidized jobs...are you IN THERE?!?

Actually, your money, you kids money, your grandkids' money, and your great grandkids money will be going to one thing :

INTEREST ON THE NATIONAL DEBT.

I don't know how they're calculating the "true" cost of this garbage... but the only accurate way would be to model it as an interest-only loan. And we'll be borrowing the money to pay the interest; so that'll add to the principle each year from now on.

I'm glad I don't have kids.

quote Originally posted by Pyrthian: yup, its called civilization we all gotta live here, not just a select 10% of the population. which NONE of us fit into. we ALLOW them to become rich - so they CAN create the jobs, and invest in business & technology, because, when they do - it is good for everyone. we can just as easily just dispose of property rights, and delve back into chaos, and noone but the hardest of men will be rich, and only until someone kills them, and takes their place. we prefer civilization. but, if civilization wont work - so be it.

Wow.

So let's trust a huge, inefficient bureaucracy that can't even handle the digital tv transition to micromanage our lives.

quote Originally posted by Formula88: Can you explain this? Who is "we" and how do they "allow" the wealthy to become rich?

we - as in "we the people"
allow - as in create an environment of accepted rules, ownerships & overall attempt at a fair lifestyle

quote Originally posted by Pyrthian: lol - ya know..... and - well....the bureaucracy handled the transition just fine.....its the viewers & the broadcasters which failed..... tho - why it matters to the g'ment - I will never know...... well, take that back...I do know...I just dont like the reasons.....which - of course - are purely a matter of a pocket which needed lining.....

If it was handled so well why wasn't there enough money? Could be because it wasn't handled so well.

quote Originally posted by Phranc: If it was handled so well why wasn't there enough money? Could be because it wasn't handled so well.

enough money for what? being on cable, I didnt really give 2 craps about the transition.

but, maybe you should start a thread about this, if it is bothering you.

quote Originally posted by Pyrthian: enough money for what? being on cable, I didnt really give 2 craps about the transition. but, maybe you should start a thread about this, if it is bothering you.

Enough money for the government coupons. How can you say that it worked when you don't even have a clue about it. If you are going to say that it worked shouldn't you at least be sure it worked well? The fact is that the feds didn't handle it well. The broadcasters are all more then ready. So when you say they failed you are yet again wrong. The viewers are mostly ready despite not getting the coupons from the feds who weren't ready with enough funding.

quote Originally posted by Pyrthian: yes - this is really something to look at. well, to start with - its an additional $676 and, next - even the overall total - this money aint gonna get anyone anywhere. we cant jail all the unemployed. because that will be the other option. they will need food. and, we do not allow people to "live off the land". until we find a way to dispose of people - consessions will need to be made. there just is no need for everyone, in fact, we dont even need 1/2 the population. everyone cant be a manager. we need garbage collectors. if you think this is such a wonderful thing for these folk, and such a burden for you - why dont you join them? hey - or you could go for the whole bit, and become an illegal alien, so you get all kinds of free stuff.

Get rid of people ? No. But it sure wouldn't hurt to require that 5-year birth control device be kept 'installed' in any female recipients prior to any public assistance checks being cut.

quote Originally posted by Pyrthian: we - as in "we the people" allow - as in create an environment of accepted rules, ownerships & overall attempt at a fair lifestyle

Yes, but as far as your definition goes, WE ALLOW EVERYONE to be rich.

Not sure what you mean by a "fair" lifestyle. We have laws but life is not now nor has it ever been guaranteed to be "fair."

quote Originally posted by D B Cooper: Get rid of people ? No. But it sure wouldn't hurt to require that 5-year birth control device be kept 'installed' in any female recipients prior to any public assistance checks being cut.

quote Originally posted by Formula88: Yes, but as far as your definition goes, WE ALLOW EVERYONE to be rich. Not sure what you mean by a "fair" lifestyle. We have laws but life is not now nor has it ever been guaranteed to be "fair."

Until now. The Obama admisistration will be trying to "legislate fair". Remember "economic justice"?

And that's where they're going wrong, IMO.
It's a nice idea, but it doesn't work in reality and only harms everyone; those who are self sufficient by taxing them more than necessary and those who aren't it tends to make them more dependent on social programs. When you give someone something for nothing, you take away their incentive to work for something more.

I saw a bumper sticker today. It said something like "Annoy a Liberal; Get a Job and Pay Your Bills"... on a New Japanese car.

Remember all those jobs Obama said Caterpillar would be able to save or create if the porkulus bill went through? They just laid a bunch of people off. Thank you Obama for your hope!

quote Originally posted by USFiero: I saw a bumper sticker today. It said something like "Annoy a Liberal; Get a Job and Pay Your Bills"... on a New Japanese car.

That was made in America.