quote Originally posted by maryjane: What the heck is an "urban canal" and why do "volunteers" need $160 million?

In Japan they call it a Benjo. Here we call it a sanitary sewer. That's where it's going--Down The Toilet. Just this week, I heard the Dems even want to give some to Brazil to help bail out their economy.

quote Originally posted by maryjane: I agree--even to the point of 'them' monitoring posts such as these. The day will come, when even the internet is closely watched and ISPs recorded by those who wish to control every aspect of our lives.

Just days ago the Canadian government just ruled that our government is now allowed unrestricted access to all ISP information as means to prevent inflammatory internet postings. With this latest development, freedom of speech is now all but dead in our country.

http://www.theglobeandmail....NStory/National/home

http://arstechnica.com/tech...-in-online-tasks.ars

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Irony:

2025-- nailed on the wall of the revolutionary headquarters is a crude mural depicting the faces of Patrick Henry, and Tmothy McVeigh.

quote Originally posted by maryjane: Irony: 2025-- nailed on the wall of the revolutionary headquarters is a crude mural depicting the faces of Patrick Henry, and Tmothy McVeigh.

You mean the guys that kill kids in daycare centers.

These guys had no plan or sustainable action.
Who can say what their ideals are and even if they are similar to mine I have to say I don't want ****ups like that on my side. I don't kill kids or Innocent people.
The people need to stand up with cause and they have no cause yet because they don't even understand their is a problem. Nothing can be fought for with out the people. Without the people you truly are just a terrorist.

Oh, I agree with you regarding McVeigh being a kid killing terrorist nutjob, but ya never know how history may turn out to depict him.

We always thought dropping the A bomb on Japan was justified, but it's getting harder and harder to find people who agree with that decision.

What a lovely story

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/...venezuela_referendum

quote Originally posted by maryjane: Oh, I agree with you regarding McVeigh being a kid killing terrorist nutjob, but ya never know how history may turn out to depict him. We always thought dropping the A bomb on Japan was justified, but it's getting harder and harder to find people who agree with that decision.

Recently Canadian leftists have been similarily arguing that allied forces should be tried for war crimes for the bombing of Dresden, and that countries such as Canada, Britain, and the US that formed the allied forces should be held accountable for the indescriminate killing of civilians and make reparations to survivors of the attacks. It's funny how history re-writes itself when political correctness is introduced.

http://network.nationalpost...-like-any-other.aspx

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quote Originally posted by Phranc: Will we get virgins?

With liberals running the show, you'll get hairly-legged feminist lesbians who will lecture you on political correctness!

quote Originally posted by Phranc: Will we get virgins?

Not in the US unless you want to be a pedophile.

quote Originally posted by maryjane: Oh, I agree with you regarding McVeigh being a kid killing terrorist nutjob, but ya never know how history may turn out to depict him. We always thought dropping the A bomb on Japan was justified, but it's getting harder and harder to find people who agree with that decision.

This is because stupid people think if they change history to be politically correct they will make a better future. When hiding the truth of history will only doom future generations to repeat it.

quote Originally posted by fierobear: Yup! Good thing Obama and the Democrats are here to save the day with their MASSIVE tax cut bill! So tell us, Tigger, whatcha gonna do with your whole THIRTEEN (13) DOLLARS?

It's $13 more a week, week after week in my pocket. Learn how to multiply and maybe you can figure out how much that is a year.

quote Originally posted by cliffw: Some of us will have to be rounded up. So others will realize that it will happen to them. What we need to be keen of is that we abide by our given rights. It is our best weapon. We twist our rights around their throats. Sacrifices will need to be made. Kinda ironic, ... that we might need to learn how to hide our communications to each other. Learning from Al KIDA.

quote Originally posted by maryjane: Are we talking martyrdom here?

Nope. I prefer an intelligent fight. I think a fight can be had without firing a shot. One of which we can only gain and of which should at least slow down any more losses. The government needs to be put on notice. The time is ripe.
Congressional approval rating at an all time low and I ain't betting on it getting any better. We do have a euphoric Presidential rating but that will change.
The economy has everyone pissed. We can cash in on that emotion. Everybody is fed up with government in general, be you a democrat or a republican, save a few zealots. The bureacracy lives in a different world, a different class. And they are our servants ? Show me someone who is happy with the tax system. The take take take system.
The tide can be won. We have many willing to give us a voice. We need numbers. The old days had marches on the streets, all the way to Washington. Which proved problematic to many. I can see a march on the internet where we can gather many more people. All over the internet now are many different blogs of malcontents. Who do not even realize others out there just like them. We need a central clearing house of ideals. We need a clear cut better ideal also. Back to the original plan would be a good start. The federal government has taken too much power from the states. We have seen resolutions protesting that.
Noise needs to be made, the wheel needs to start squeaking. People need to protest. Our founding rights are our weapons. Once it starts I believe it will snow ball. More so if the government gets Gestapo on us.

quote Originally posted by cliffw: Do you realize how much that $13.00 a week is actually costing you ?

Doesn't matter--it's free money--from someone else. Dropped from the sky--fell from the money tree in DC. Didn't have to work for it, earn it, or justify it--free I tell ya--it's free!!! The Man's pickin me up!!

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So will it even do much good for the average person to save as much cash as possible for when the piper comes to get paid on this deal? Inflation will be so bad that the money will be nearly worthless won't it?

quote Originally posted by 2.5: So will it even do much good for the average person to save as much cash as possible for when the piper comes to get paid on this deal? Inflation will be so bad that the money will be nearly worthless won't it?

My thoughts also. I am no economist. As money becomes worth less people are gonna want more for what they sell. I don't know how that ball rolls.

quote Originally posted by 2.5: So will it even do much good for the average person to save as much cash as possible for when the piper comes to get paid on this deal? Inflation will be so bad that the money will be nearly worthless won't it?

that is the whole point. inflation gets those who are hoarding cash to spend it, before it becomes junk
and - it also makes loan balances less imposing
we actually NEED inflation right now. we have needed it since minimum wage went up

Watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDUMEEl_ajM
And this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NMu1mFao3w

Think we aren't going for a total economic collapse?

Arm yourselves and start stocking away canned food and 5 gallon water containers that will last 2-3 weeks minimum. It will hit the fan sooner or later and I like to eat, drink, and protect myself when everyone else is hungry and thirsty, smashing their way into your neighbors house.

V for Vendetta anyone?

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quote Originally posted by Tigger: It's $13 more a week, week after week in my pocket. Learn how to multiply and maybe you can figure out how much that is a year.

Long version for Tigger
It was hard and I had to do it a few times but I think I got the right number. Is 676.00 Dollars right?
Wow that sure is a lot of money!

Ok here is one for you.
Eight hundred billion divided by three hundred million.
What does that one come to.
After you get that number we will do some more math and maybe figure out how much the interest is going to be on that. Maybe even more than 676.00 dollars.


Short version for everyone else with a brain.
Tigger is an idiot and represents the reasons we are in the predicament we are in.

quote Originally posted by cliffw: The economy has everyone pissed. We can cash in on that emotion. Everybody is fed up with government in general, be you a democrat or a republican, save a few zealots. The bureacracy lives in a different world, a different class. And they are our servants ?

I haven't heard outcry from anywhere but here about the way the government is taking over our way of life. It amazes me, yet it doesn't because all the questionable things were kept out of the media when he was running (then he got elected, SHOCKER) and it seems nothing has changed. Are they all dismissing this stuff as essential to getting credit flowing again so they can get their fix, at any cost?

quote Originally posted by pokeyfiero: Long version for Tigger It was hard and I had to do it a few times but I think I got the right number. Is 676.00 Dollars right? Wow that sure is a lot of money! Ok here is one for you. Eight hundred billion divided by three hundred million. What does that one come to. After you get that number we will do some more math and maybe figure out how much the interest is going to be on that. Maybe even more than 676.00 dollars. Short version for everyone else with a brain. Tigger is an idiot and represents the reasons we are in the predicament we are in.

The number being throw around for the cost of democrats stimulus package is $10520 per family per year. This is based off the original $800 billion stimulus package, however, and knowing how the democrats have padded the bill with pork and treats for their party faithful, some financers estimate the actual cost of the bill to end up in the trillions. Anyways, this is good news for individuals like Tigger who are probably unemployed, so therefore aren't going to have to foot the bill for any of this spending the dems have tabled. To them, it won't cost a thing, they will just get the $676 that they can piss away as they please. Meanwhile, the conservative household down the street will be approximately $10000 poorer to pay for Tigger's lifestyle. But you can be rest assured, no matter how far the country is driven into the hole, Tigger will once again vote for the dems because they gave him an additional $676 for not even getting off his ass. This is how the dems have built support in the past, and will continue to do in the future until people rise up and take action against both the party and its supporters.

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quote Originally posted by Tigger: It's $13 more a week, week after week in my pocket. Learn how to multiply and maybe you can figure out how much that is a year.

So that $676 a year is gonna put you on easy street, is it?
Just think, in 10 years, that'll be enough to buy a 10 year old used car. So that means Obama's actually giving you a NEW car (that you get to own in 10 years).

quote Originally posted by Tigger: It's $13 more a week, week after week in my pocket. Learn how to multiply and maybe you can figure out how much that is a year.

Two questions:

1. is that $13/week going to make a major change in your lifestyle for the better? Is that going to make you go out and spend, spend, spend this economy back to heatlh?

2. Bush did a one-time $600 tax rebate a year ago. This one is $676, based on a year. So you weren't excited about Bush's money, but you ARE excited about Obama's money? How interesting.

quote Originally posted by fierobear: Two questions: 1. is that $13/week going to make a major change in your lifestyle for the better? Is that going to make you go out and spend, spend, spend this economy back to heatlh? 2. Bush did a one-time $600 tax rebate a year ago. This one is $676, based on a year. So you weren't excited about Bush's money, but you ARE excited about Obama's money? How interesting.

Obama's money better.

quote Originally posted by maryjane: Irony: 2025-- nailed on the wall of the revolutionary headquarters is a crude mural depicting the faces of Patrick Henry, and Tmothy McVeigh.

quote Originally posted by pokeyfiero: You mean the guys that kill kids in daycare centers. These guys had no plan or sustainable action. Who can say what their ideals are and even if they are similar to mine I have to say I don't want ****ups like that on my side. I don't kill kids or Innocent people. The people need to stand up with cause and they have no cause yet because they don't even understand their is a problem. Nothing can be fought for with out the people. Without the people you truly are just a terrorist.

Please tell me you know who Patrick Henry is without using Google or Wikipedia.

quote Originally posted by Tigger: It's $13 more a week, week after week in my pocket. Learn how to multiply and maybe you can figure out how much that is a year.

That's the dumbest thing I've read in awhile. Do you have any concept of how much that $13 a week is going to cost?

quote Originally posted by Formula88: So that $676 a year is gonna put you on easy street, is it? Just think, in 10 years, that'll be enough to buy a 10 year old used car. So that means Obama's actually giving you a NEW car (that you get to own in 10 years).

yes - this is really something to look at.
well, to start with - its an additional $676
and, next - even the overall total - this money aint gonna get anyone anywhere.
we cant jail all the unemployed. because that will be the other option. they will need food. and, we do not allow people to "live off the land".

until we find a way to dispose of people - consessions will need to be made. there just is no need for everyone, in fact, we dont even need 1/2 the population. everyone cant be a manager. we need garbage collectors.

if you think this is such a wonderful thing for these folk, and such a burden for you - why dont you join them? hey - or you could go for the whole bit, and become an illegal alien, so you get all kinds of free stuff.

quote Originally posted by 2.5: So will it even do much good for the average person to save as much cash as possible for when the piper comes to get paid on this deal? Inflation will be so bad that the money will be nearly worthless won't it?

Yup.

quote Originally posted by Pyrthian: if you think this is such a wonderful thing for these folk, and such a burden for you - why dont you join them? hey - or you could go for the whole bit, and become an illegal alien, so you get all kinds of free stuff.

You're forgetting something. I'm a Republican. That means I want to work to better myself and improve my life. While I'm willing to help someone down on their luck get a leg up, I'm not willing to support them indefinitely.

Do you know the difference between a Democrat and a Republican?
A Republican sees a drowning man and throws a rope half way to him. The man has to work for it and swim to meet the rope.
A Democrat throws the rope right to the drowning man - landing it right in his hands. Then drops his end of the rope to run off and "save" someone else.

quote Originally posted by Formula88: Please tell me you know who Patrick Henry is without using Google or Wikipedia.

Yes I am familiar with who Patrick Henry was.
Honestly though when I read I believe it was Maryjanes remark I didn't pay enough attention to the names. I read Timothy Mcveigh and automatically assumed the nest guy was his collaborator not really digesting the the other name until you now brought it up. I tend to speed read using context to fill in the blanks. Maybe not such a good system.

My apologizes.

quote Originally posted by Formula88: You're forgetting something. I'm a Republican. That means I want to work to better myself and improve my life. While I'm willing to help someone down on their luck get a leg up, I'm not willing to support them indefinitely. Do you know the difference between a Democrat and a Republican? A Republican sees a drowning man and throws a rope half way to him. The man has to work for it and swim to meet the rope. A Democrat throws the rope right to the drowning man - landing it right in his hands. Then drops his end of the rope to run off and "save" someone else.

I'm an american. I too work to better myself, and improve my life - and that of my family. And, I do help people who are down, to get a leg up again.

Do I know the diff between a rep & dem? yes - there aint one - different sides of the same interfering coin. both will ignore the drowning man, and the rope, until the party detemines an appropriate response, which will be has hinderous as possible to the other side. the drowning man is irrelavant - the opportunity to do damage to the other side is the mission.

quote Originally posted by Tigger: It's $13 more a week, week after week in my pocket. Learn how to multiply and maybe you can figure out how much that is a year.

Less than zero.

With the Fed just printing more "money", inflation will wipe out your little windfall, and then some.

quote Originally posted by fogglethorpe: Less than zero. With the Fed just printing more "money", inflation will wipe out your little windfall, and then some.

Not to worry. Obama will just tax those mean old "rich" people and THAT will solve the problem. Yes sirree, we'll show those "rich" people (who create the jobs, spend the money, invest in new business and technology, and pay virtually all of the taxes in this country already) whose boss!

quote Originally posted by Tigger: It's $13 more a week, week after week in my pocket. Learn how to multiply and maybe you can figure out how much that is a year.

Well the way it is setup it is $687 the first year and then drops to four hundred and something next year. You did not think they would keep it the same forever did you.

quote Originally posted by Toddster: Not to worry. Obama will just tax those mean old "rich" people and THAT will solve the problem. Yes sirree, we'll show those "rich" people (who create the jobs, spend the money, invest in new business and technology, and pay virtually all of the taxes in this country already) whose boss!

yup, its called civilization
we all gotta live here, not just a select 10% of the population. which NONE of us fit into.
we ALLOW them to become rich - so they CAN create the jobs, and invest in business & technology, because, when they do - it is good for everyone.
we can just as easily just dispose of property rights, and delve back into chaos, and noone but the hardest of men will be rich, and only until someone kills them, and takes their place. we prefer civilization. but, if civilization wont work - so be it.

quote Originally posted by Pyrthian: I'm an american. I too work to better myself, and improve my life - and that of my family. And, I do help people who are down, to get a leg up again. Do I know the diff between a rep & dem? yes - there aint one - different sides of the same interfering coin. both will ignore the drowning man, and the rope, until the party detemines an appropriate response, which will be has hinderous as possible to the other side. the drowning man is irrelavant - the opportunity to do damage to the other side is the mission.

Amusing observation, if non sequitor.

All political parties primary goal is to stay in power. That's not inherently evil - if they don't have any power, they can't get anything done. However, power does corrupt, so there is corruption involved.
But you missed the point about the difference between a Democrat and a Republican. I was talking about individuals - not the parties.

In general, a Democrat believes it's government's job to ensure people's safety, good fortune, and welfare. A Republican wants to give the individual the ability to ensure those things for himself.
That's not an absolute, although I'm sure someone will assume it such in order to make a smarmy sound bite retort. The main thing is Democrats typically want the government to take care of the people and Republicans typically want to help the people take care of themselves.

The Democrat would give the starving man a fish. (and make the rich man pay for it)
The Republican would teach him how to fish.

quote Originally posted by Formula88: Amusing observation, if non sequitor. All political parties primary goal is to stay in power. That's not inherently evil - if they don't have any power, they can't get anything done. However, power does corrupt, so there is corruption involved. But you missed the point about the difference between a Democrat and a Republican. I was talking about individuals - not the parties. In general, a Democrat believes it's government's job to ensure people's safety, good fortune, and welfare. A Republican wants to give the individual the ability to ensure those things for himself. That's not an absolute, although I'm sure someone will assume it such in order to make a smarmy sound bite retort. The main thing is Democrats typically want the government to take care of the people and Republicans typically want to help the people take care of themselves. The Democrat would give the starving man a fish. (and make the rich man pay for it) The Republican would teach him how to fish.

I am a "teach a man to fish" kinda guy as well. but, I also know that not every man can fish.

and, next - I think you are misrepresenting "the other side"
there is a difference between "give the man a fish" and "making sure there are fish available for everyone"
you can teach to fish all day long - but if there are no fish, dont do much good, do it?

and, next - you need to remember that "city folk" lead VERY different lives thans Suburbanites & Country Folk. There is no fishing. Way to many poeple, way to few fishing holes.

quote Originally posted by Pyrthian: we ALLOW them to become rich - so they CAN create the jobs, and invest in business & technology,

Can you explain this? Who is "we" and how do they "allow" the wealthy to become rich?