quote Originally posted by fierobear: You said that you only want to talk about "carbon footprint", then you start a rant about a bad deal on Ebay. The fact that you can't make up your mind what you do and don't want to talk about does not make US dense.

That was kind of my point too...

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What the hell?
I thought this was a debate about global warming? Why is everybody talking about eBay and other crap?
Frankly, I for one, want to talk about the new doom's day religion of global warming. Don't ya'll know if someone starts a topic on a certain subject, content of said topic can not deviate from author's original intent for said topic? Come on guys, get a clue.
Driver, please, continue with the original topic at hand. Let's see, where were you......you didn't want to debate anyone on global warming, but...........oh yeah, you were preaching to the non-believers (sinners?) about cimate change. Please continue the sermon
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I see everyone wanted to get off one last post to see how much they could piss me off before the thread got closed. You guys are brave on an internet forum.

quote Originally posted by Tha Driver: I see everyone wanted to get off one last post to see how much they could piss me off before the thread got closed. You guys are brave on an internet forum.

What are you talking about? 1st off, I'm not so certain that Cliff is going to close this thread just because you demand it. 2nd, YOU brought up the whole Indy Mats thing, Not Toddster, so you can cast out accusations about people not staying on topic all you want, man, but YOU are just as guilty...

I have nothing against you, really. I appreciated the advice you gave me in my "gun show" thread (and even allowed you to take MY thread slightly off topic). But seriously, man, you taking this WAY farther then it needs to go. YOU are, not anyone else.

quote Originally posted by OKflyboy: That was kind of my point too...

Yup. Problem is, he obviously didn't get it the first time.

quote Originally posted by OKflyboy: What are you talking about? 1st off, I'm not so certain that Cliff is going to close this thread just because you demand it. 2nd, YOU brought up the whole Indy Mats thing, Not Toddster, so you can cast out accusations about people not staying on topic all you want, man, but YOU are just as guilty... I have nothing against you, really. I appreciated the advice you gave me in my "gun show" thread (and even allowed you to take MY thread slightly off topic). But seriously, man, you taking this WAY farther then it needs to go. YOU are, not anyone else.

Well, if you read the whole thread you'll see where I've asked EVERYBODY not to debate the global warming issue. All I ever wanted to do is post the link so that folks could find out their carbon footprint, & perhaps learn a few ways to cut down on their burning of fossil fuels, to help them selves (saving money), the environment (cutting pollution), & the country (lessening our dependence on forien oil). I don't even know why I'm having to say all this again... But these loosers have to come in here & completely make the thread useless by opening up a debate that I never wanted, & KEEP ON INSISTING ON THE DEBATE IN SPITE OF THE FACT THAT IT'S NOT THEIR THREAD!
I only posted the links about the todd jerk after he jumped in here doing his BEST to piss me off again by doing the ONE thing I've asked EVERYONE NOT TO DO - & people started giving me flack about it.
It's useless to stay on topic anymore anyway: the thread is long since runied. I wonder what everyone would do if *I* jumped into their threads & started debating crap that they din't want to debate (or have the time for)? They would ALL say what a a-hole I was for doing so! Yet it's OK for THEM to do it AFTER I'VE ASKED THEM NOT TO SEVERAL TIMES NOW!!!

Topic: What's your Carbon Footprint?

quote Originally posted by Phranc: So do you want to debate or not?

quote Originally posted by Tha Driver: Are you REALLY that stupid? What part of NO don't you understand??!!?? It's only TWO letters!

see - here is the problem with this: the term "Carbon Footprint" implies greenhouse gasses as a valid theory, among other fallicies
you are trying to step past the debate, and go straight for "I am right - come post - all ye who agree"

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quote Originally posted by Pyrthian: Topic: What's your Carbon Footprint? see - here is the problem with this: the term "Carbon Footprint" implies greenhouse gasses as a valid theory, among other fallicies you are trying to step past the debate, and go straight for "I am right - come post - all ye who agree"

As I said before, I've seen the debate play out over the past 30 years. I doubt any of you are even that old. What you're doing is selecting the data that conforms to your beliefs. Yes they are prominate scientists that don't believe it. But there are far more that do, & have the evidence.
BUT THAT IS STILL NOT THE TOPIC OF THIS THREAD!!!!!!
What would be wrong if only "all ye who agree" would post? The thread would actually have worked for it's intended purpose (the three things posted above) if they had, & the rest of you naysayers had keep your mouth (fingers?) shut.
If it makes you feel better call it a "pollution index" instead!

quote Originally posted by Tha Driver: As I said before, I've seen the debate play out over the past 30 years.

You back 30 years ago when the doom and gloom wa global cooling?

quote I doubt any of you are even that old.

Yeah thats brilliant debate right there. Some one had data that say you are full of it and you jump to the "I'm older then you are" Classic.

quote What you're doing is selecting the data that conforms to your beliefs.

And you aren't? How about the provide some facts. We have we also have data and scientists who question the "consensus" of global warming and how carbon affects it. But you don't want to hear that do you.

quote Yes they are prominate scientists that don't believe it. But there are far more that do, & have the evidence.

So put it up. I bet all you prominent scientists are running on special grants and using the same flawed and out dated data that you got from the TV. The Ice core readings were wrongly interpreted. NASA had to revise its temp. data. Data also shows cooling in the oceans. But those are just data we want to show because we want to pollute the world! Never mind that its true. Yeah all that evidence is starting to erode quickly but quietly.

quote BUT THAT IS STILL NOT THE TOPIC OF THIS THREAD!!!!!!

The topic is your flawed assertion of the correlation of C02 and pollution based on flawed data.

quote What would be wrong if only "all ye who agree" would post?

You would be perpetuating bad science. And some of us like intellectual honesty when it comes to thinks like science.

quote The thread would actually have worked for it's intended purpose (the three things posted above) if they had, & the rest of you naysayers had keep your mouth (fingers?) shut.

I'm sorry we ruined your circle jerk of intellectual **** based on misinformation.

quote If it makes you feel better call it a "pollution index" instead!

No because its not a pollutant and doesn't have a direct correlation with pollution. But you are to dense to see that. No you would rather have your spank fest of ignorance and can't take being shown wrong. Why don't you just stick your finger in your ear and chant "la la la la la" to us just like you do to any contrary evidence of your "30 years" of spoon fed garbage that is shown to be garbage more and more every day.

The Cult of Global warming.

Who needs facts when you have an army of strawmen.

quote Originally posted by Tha Driver: As I said before, I've seen the debate play out over the past 30 years. I doubt any of you are even that old. What you're doing is selecting the data that conforms to your beliefs. Yes they are prominate scientists that don't believe it. But there are far more that do, & have the evidence. BUT THAT IS STILL NOT THE TOPIC OF THIS THREAD!!!!!! What would be wrong if only "all ye who agree" would post? The thread would actually have worked for it's intended purpose (the three things posted above) if they had, & the rest of you naysayers had keep your mouth (fingers?) shut. If it makes you feel better call it a "pollution index" instead!

yes - it is amazing that this has dragged on for almost a full generation.
and - again - CO2 is NOT pollution. I can 100% see how it corrolates tho. CO2 is created at the same time the "real" pollutants are created. CO2 is a natural output of every living animal. and, is the what keeps the base of the food chain growing. pollutants are damaging to life and the environment - which CO2 does not do.

quote Originally posted by fierobear: You said that you only want to talk about "carbon footprint", then you start a rant about a bad deal on Ebay.

Wait, I see now. Carbon FOOTprints...FLOOR MATS. Don't you see? It all ties together!

quote Originally posted by Pyrthian: yes - it is amazing that this has dragged on for almost a full generation. and - again - CO2 is NOT pollution. I can 100% see how it corrolates tho. CO2 is created at the same time the "real" pollutants are created. CO2 is a natural output of every living animal. and, is the what keeps the base of the food chain growing. pollutants are damaging to life and the environment - which CO2 does not do.

Well at least you get what I'm saying that if you burn fossil fuels you create pollution. Phranc is apparently way too stupid to realize that. I never said that Co2 was pollution, but he just can't seem to fathom that.
Paul

quote Originally posted by Tha Driver: Well at least you get what I'm saying that if you burn fossil fuels you create pollution. Phranc is apparently way too stupid to realize that. I never said that Co2 was pollution, but he just can't seem to fathom that. Paul

Yup I'm to stupid to realize that. Can quote where I said it didn't happen? I fathom just fine. But you don't No you have your ad homs and strawmen attacks. You lack facts or even a base understanding. Your points have been refuted for the bunk it is.

But your an old man so you know whats best! Despite being wrong. For some one who keeps comparing C02 to pollution you are right you didn't say it was pollution.

except right here:

quote It's not just about the Co2 we produce, it's the other pollutants & the......

That right is you saying it is pollution. The qualifier is when you refer to "the other pollutants".

Now I need to go drive to the KFC and get some transfat fried chicken. I might come back and continue to show how utterly inept you have been in this thread. It has been fun.

quote Originally posted by Tha Driver: What would be wrong if only "all ye who agree" would post? The thread would actually have worked for it's intended purpose (the three things posted above) if they had, & the rest of you naysayers had keep your mouth (fingers?) shut. If it makes you feel better call it a "pollution index" instead!

How about another tangent for ya'll, what he said is whats wrong with our political system, "only invite people who agree to the rally", "make a list of questions they are able to ask, and only those questions", LIberal radio, Conservative radio, etc. If you don't think like I do keep your mouth shut!
Something is very wrong with that.

quote Originally posted by Tha Driver: YOU (and the others) obviously don't get ANYTHING.

Riiiiight.

quote Originally posted by fierobear: Riiiiight.

It's all a matter of perspective Bear. Afterall the world must look very different from those of us living here on good old planet Earth to those in outer space.

quote Originally posted by Phranc: Yup I'm to stupid to realize that. Can quote where I said it didn't happen? I fathom just fine. But you don't No you have your ad homs and strawmen attacks. You lack facts or even a base understanding. Your points have been refuted for the bunk it is.

What the hell does "No you have your ad homs" mean??? I don't have something? What is an "ad hom" anyway?

quote Originally posted by Phranc: But your an old man so you know whats best! Despite being wrong. For some one who keeps comparing C02 to pollution you are right you didn't say it was pollution. except right here: [QUOTE]It's not just about the Co2 we produce, it's the other pollutants & the..... Originally posted by Phranc:That right is you saying it is pollution. The qualifier is when you refer to "the other pollutants".

Dumbass! I said the "other polutants you get when you burn fossil fuels". Should I have said the "other things"?

Carbon Footprint = Global Warming, Doesn't it?

What a scam! Calculate your footprint, send in your money. Sounds like you're buying "something" - you're not. All the calculator is doing is computing the amount of your donation to this charity.

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quote Originally posted by Tha Driver:What the hell does "No you have your ad homs" mean??? I don't have something? What is an "ad hom" anyway?

No you have something. Its called gumption! And it goes along with the ad hominem (shorten to just ad hom) and strawmen. I see now why you reject any debate. You don't have any clue as to the logical fallacies you use.

quote Dumbass! I said the "other polutants you get when you burn fossil fuels". Should I have said the "other things"?

You probably shouldn't say anything. As it is "other" is a qualifying indicating that C02 is a pollutant (2 'L's). You should have just said "pollutants" (2 'L's) with out the qualifier of "other". As you have it written C02 is one pollutant and then there are others. In your old age you fail miserably at grammer and the English language. Maybe you should take some refresher courses and bone up so you can keep up with the "kids". Yes its amusing for some one who has failed at such basics to call the person who has needed time and again to correct them a dumbass. Really it is. You are, if nothing else, entertaining.

quote Originally posted by Tha Driver: Everyone can debate all they want about what's causing pollution, & how to correct it. Fact is we're killing the earth, & the Co2 is one of the main problems.

you do know that the single biggest contributor to "global warming" (something like 80%) is WATER VAPOR, right?

quote Originally posted by fierosound: What a scam! Calculate your footprint, send in your money. Sounds like you're buying "something" - you're not. All the calculator is doing is computing the amount of your donation to this charity.

I agree. I only posted the link to use the calculator, not to give them any money.

quote Originally posted by Phranc: You probably shouldn't say anything. As it is "other" is a qualifying indicating that C02 is a pollutant (2 'L's). You should have just said "pollutants" (2 'L's) with out the qualifier of "other". As you have it written C02 is one pollutant and then there are others. In your old age you fail miserably at grammer and the English language. Maybe you should take some refresher courses and bone up so you can keep up with the "kids". Yes its amusing for some one who has failed at such basics to call the person who has needed time and again to correct them a dumbass. Really it is. You are, if nothing else, entertaining.

Well excuuuuuuse me! One typo & I'm a miserable falure!

Carbon footprint? Most of us live in the United States. We don't have to care about anything the rest of the world, or Al Gore, wastes time on.

quote Originally posted by Tha Driver: Well excuuuuuuse me! One typo & I'm a miserable falure!

That's far from an ordinary typo. That is a failure of massive scales in getting your point across. Add that to the massive fail of your point that: "BECAUSE YOU'RE STILL POLLUTING WHETHER YOU'RE CONTRIBUTING TO GLOBAL WARMING OR NOT!". Telll wise and old man who has to be routinely corrected by the "kids". Are we polluting? How much exactly? And what part of your carbon foot print calculator that tallies proposed C02 output directly reports the amount of pollution? See C02 calculators like you put up are all about global warming ( even though its not really called global warming any more its called global climate change because the warming isn't exactly happening )and not pollution. A person can put out far more C02 then pollution and vice-versa. Say two people get their electricity from coal. One from a newer built, more efficient, recently upgraded with new scrubbers and the other gets his from an older dirtier plant. Does your calculator take that into account? What about the guy that has his coal supplemented by wind? Yes some times the same mechanisms that make C02 make Pollution also but using the amount of C02 produced as a metric for pollution made is flawed on multiple levels.

If you wanted to talk about pollution you shouldn't have opened with a global warming hoax calculator made to instill guilt in the gullible. But given your posts of strawmen and ad hom I bet you couldn't separate the two when you started.

If you want to talk about pollution I can talk about the heavy metals from fly ash ( a waste material from coal power) that has poisoned my cities aquifer thanks to BG&E and its parent company Constellation Energy. Or we can talk about how a proposed Wal*Mart has stopped from being built because the civic association I'm on decided to use real science to show that the parking lot run off would leach into a federally protected tidal wetland. See you ignorant attacks of poster who pointed out you failures from the first post in this thread as people who don't care is pure bull.

Next time you want to make a point about pollution don't use the junk science of carbon footprints and global warming.

quote Originally posted by Phranc: Telll wise and old man who has to be routinely corrected by the "kids". Are we polluting? How much exactly? See you ignorant attacks of poster who pointed out you failures

Who is "wise" & who is "old man"? You said "Tell wise AND old man. Not to mention you never said what to tell them. Wait: is that THREE "L"s???
I'm not even going to bother with the second sentence.
Geeze you're REALLY bad with grammer & spelling for someone who corrects others so readily!!
Paul

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