On the news they gave out a website where you can calculate your carbon footprint. http://www.carbonfund.org/ You'll need your yearly KWh from your electric, similiar info if you use natural gas or oil, your miles driven per year & MPG, & flight miles if you fly.
My carbon footprint is 1.7. Easy to do if you don't have a life, or even a house (I live in a 16'x16' room), & live & work in the same building.
I don't fully understand the "Carbon Offset Cost" or "Individual Zero Carbon" figures. Apparently the Individual Zero Carbon is supposed to reprsent your total, including getting your groceries to the store, gas to the pump, etc... (mine is 4.24).
Direct link to the calculator: http://www.carbonfund.org/s.../carbon_calculators/
Post your carbon footprint - if you dare.
Paul

My carbon footprint is up the environmentalist asss as my foot plugs up the smoke that billows out of it.

Although I do not subscribe one bit to the envronmental religion as I have a different church that I attend, I did the calculator and I'm a bit confused how to read the totals. It says:

Individual: 39.07
Individual Zero Carbon: 97.67


Not sure what that means. That was calculated for my wife and I. I'm sure it means we're killing the earth.

When I got home I got a chance to look at our utility bills and do a more accurate analysis. The numbers have been corrected above.

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43.27
105.92 zero carbons

So they expect me to pay out 2k for this? WTF are these people on? I am going to go send a few trees worth of memos out at the office .

Brad

well.....duh.....

I do believe we are ALL carbon based life forms. we dont exist without carbon. the earth dies without carbon dioxide.

base of the food chain is: plant life.
guess what plant life breaths? CO2

carbon is in fact good good stuff. yes, we need Oxygen too. dont eat this crap.

whats my carbon footprint? dont care. life thrives on carbon & carbon dioxide

My carbon footprint is a size 12. And the environmentalists can take that and shove it up their backsides if they don't like it.

I was thinking about that the other day.

Not counting the rain forests... I'm only speaking of USA...

John Stossell? last year reported that we have more tree's now , than we did 100 year ago....

We (humans) should develop a genetic engineered plant, that breathes 2 or 3 times as much as normal. That would negate the effects of the human carbon foot print.

Better yet , an oceanic version, that way 2/3 of the earths surface is spitting out huge amounts of o2.

problem solved.

quote Originally posted by intlcutlass: I was thinking about that the other day. Not counting the rain forests... I'm only speaking of USA... John Stossell? last year reported that we have more tree's now , than we did 100 year ago.... We (humans) should develop a genetic engineered plant, that breathes 2 or 3 times as much as normal. That would negate the effects of the human carbon foot print. Better yet , an oceanic version, that way 2/3 of the earths surface is spitting out huge amounts of o2. problem solved.

yes - it may be more trees numerically - but them trees are much smaller. the 2" landscapeing trees really dont compare well to 14" solid oak forests.

and - yes - solar powered floating bubblers. they just float on the ocean, with a solar powered air pump, which pumps air 2 or 3 feet into the ocean, for the algea to process. have an entire floatilla of these things hanging out around the equator.

quote Originally posted by intlcutlass: I was thinking about that the other day. Not counting the rain forests... I'm only speaking of USA... John Stossell? last year reported that we have more tree's now , than we did 100 year ago.... .

Most of those are in the north where the darker colours of the trees are absorbing solar heat instead of the white snow reflecting it back up. There was a study done on the effects last year. Its only negligible but its there.

Stop global warming! Cut down a tree!

Everyone can debate all they want about what's causing pollution, & how to correct it. Fact is we're killing the earth, & the Co2 is one of the main problems.
Not that the earth cares: it'll be here long after we've killed ourselves off. Hell they don't expect the sun to go supernova for another 5 billion years. I just think it would be nice to leave better living conditions for the future generations. (I would love to see the coasts flooded; I think it would be funny to see all those rich bastards with their beach houses displaced. But then that would just mean they'd all move closer to me & over-populate the rest of the world even more.)
I have no idea what the dollar figures mean. That part dosen't make any sense to me at all. It's not like we can just pay out cash & delete our Co2.
Even more to the point; the less Co2 you're emitting the less we're dependent on forien oil. I personally would love to see the day we didn't import a single drop. There are more than adequate resources in this country to power it, if we would just develop & use them.
So anyway lets just post your carbon footprint - and perhaps a couple comments - & lets not turn this into a full-blown debate on how much pollution it takes to kill the earth. I know there are a lot of folks that just don't care: no need to admit it here. Hell most folks don't give a ~(<* ) about anyone else, anyway. But if you have kids I'd at least think you'd want them to have as clean an environment to live in as we can give them.
Paul

quote Originally posted by Tha Driver: Everyone can debate all they want about what's causing pollution, & how to correct it. Fact is we're killing the earth, & the Co2 is one of the main problems. Paul

Nope. CO2/Carbon emissions aren't a problem.

Carbon Emissions Don’t Cause Global Warming (pdf file)

Greenhouse warming?What greenhouse warming? (pdf file)
"The fingerprint of anthropogenic greenhouse warming predicted by computer models is absent from real-world, observed trends in atmospheric temperature change"

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right. CO2 is NOT pollution.

anyways - your carbon footprint is VERY misleading. your carbon footprint includes EVERYTHING your government does - so, the 24/7/365 SAC Bombers - are part of your carbon footprint. ALL road construction - part of your footprint. every rocket launch - part of your footprint. everything you buy - has a carbon footprint, which includes all trucking, all the management/sales air travel, and all material harvesting. every service you use. very few people go thru there day in a complete self supported bubble. water. sewer. electric. cable. TV. telephone.

there is NOTHING more wasteful than suburban living. all the infrastructure to support your life in your private bubble. until the population learns to live in high density - this whole discussion is pointless.

and, again - carbon is good - CO2 is good. but - yes - like all good things - to much is not so good.

but - a fine solution is to start killing people. maybe a lottery? or, should we just start with people in jail? maybe foriegners? because that is actually the ONLY way to achieve the goal of the CO2 folk. kill kill kill.

Oh don't worry it won't be long before we'll be killed when we retire, after all we don't contribute anymore right? maybe they'll make us into green pellets of food for the others to eat.

quote Originally posted by Pyrthian: but - a fine solution is to start killing people. maybe a lottery? or, should we just start with people in jail? maybe foriegners? because that is actually the ONLY way to achieve the goal of the CO2 folk. kill kill kill.

Yes, that would do it on a large enough scale.

I have a feeling either by natural or a man made circumstance something is going to happen that will wash a good portion of humanity off this world like flea soap on a dog.

quote Originally posted by Pyrthian: right. CO2 is NOT pollution.

But it does add to the problem when there is too much of it (like now).

quote Originally posted by Pyrthian: anyways - your carbon footprint is VERY misleading. your carbon footprint includes EVERYTHING your government does - so, the 24/7/365 SAC Bombers - are part of your carbon footprint. ALL road construction - part of your footprint. every rocket launch - part of your footprint. everything you buy - has a carbon footprint, which includes all trucking, all the management/sales air travel, and all material harvesting. every service you use. very few people go thru there day in a complete self supported bubble. water. sewer. electric. cable. TV. telephone.

Right - which is why you have to figure the Individual Zero Carbon amount. The less you consume, the less Co2 you create.

quote Originally posted by Pyrthian: there is NOTHING more wasteful than suburban living. all the infrastructure to support your life in your private bubble. until the population learns to live in high density - this whole discussion is pointless. and, again - carbon is good - CO2 is good. but - yes - like all good things - to much is not so good. but - a fine solution is to start killing people. maybe a lottery? or, should we just start with people in jail? maybe foriegners? because that is actually the ONLY way to achieve the goal of the CO2 folk. kill kill kill.

Yeah & we should start with the illegals crossing the border. I bet if we had a "shoot on sight" policy & posted the armed forces at the border we'd stop that crap!
There was an illegal on one of the shows last night that was driving without a license, ran from the cops, assulted the cop, & ran away on foot. Later the dogs caught him & he got - you guessed it - SENT HOME. ME? I get PUT IN JAIL for dodging a hole in the road!!!!
Paul

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My only carbon footprint was when I stomped out the BBQ charcoals and walked back to the house on the patio.

A size twelve or thirteen. Depends on the manufacturer.

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quote Originally posted by Tha Driver: What does that calculator have to do with an individual? Looks to me like it's the AVERAGE of the people in any given country. BTW my electric is from a hydro plant, not burning coal. It dosen't even count (but I figured it anyway). Paul

Its all designed to guilt trip people. I will say somthing on another note, but is related...it is sad that we live in the lap of luxury and kids starve regularly in other countries, though it is not our fault. We can try to fix these other countries and how they are run (or the lack thereof) but we will catch hell for it, so all we do is throw money at them and hope it helps. I will not however feel guilty for living in a country that is thriving. Showing that a country with no electricity or transporation systems use less resources than the US is something I think we already knew.

P.S. Hyro electricity hurts fish. If one were to get picky.

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quote Originally posted by 2.5: Its all designed to guilt trip people. I will say somthing on another note, but is related...it is sad that we live in the lap of luxury and kids starve regularly in other countries, though it is not our fault. We can try to fix these other countries and how they are run (or the lack thereof) but we will catch hell for it, so all we do is throw money at them and hope it helps. I will not however feel guilty for living in a country that is thriving. Showing that a country with no electricity or transporation systems use less resources than the US is something I think we already knew. P.S. Hyro electricity hurts fish. If one were to get picky.

What's REALLY sad is there are children in THIS country that are starving! I said something about that on another forum (the HAMB), & one guy actually had to gall to say "YOU feed them."! Well if I could on the $6,000 to $7,000 I make a year I WOULD.
What is also sad is that folks just can't seem to fathom that driving 100 miles a day to work - in their SUV - is a MAJOR part of the problem. A friend (he works at Advance) said a guy was complaining about the gas prices 'cause he had to drive to Atlanta (from Commerce), & HE WAS DRIVING A 4WD Ford PICKUP. JEEZE wake up people!
I eat fish. I guess that hurts them.
Paul

Well we all know what they say about those with "Big Footprints" :P


Your a bunch of Yeti's

quote Originally posted by Tha Driver: What is also sad is that folks just can't seem to fathom that driving 100 miles a day to work - in their SUV - is a MAJOR part of the problem.

My wife and I each drive 70 miles daily for our work commute. She drives a turbo Saab and I drive a 4WD SUV. I don't complain, and because I don't subscribe to the man-induced global warming theory I feel no guilt. Think how much cleaner vehicles are running now than just 30 years ago.

quote Originally posted by Tha Driver: Everyone can debate all they want about what's causing pollution, & how to correct it. Fact is we're killing the earth, & the Co2 is one of the main problems.

Not if you listen to real scientists and not the whiny Al Gorons. CO2 levels LAG temperature variations. Meaning the cause and effect relationship is reverse to what the loud, but misleading scientists are saying that it is. Funny how that works.

CO2 is not an issue...not at 380ppm. I'm more concerned with NOx and particulate matter.

quote Originally posted by AntiKev: Not if you listen to real scientists and not the whiny Al Gorons. CO2 levels LAG temperature variations. Meaning the cause and effect relationship is reverse to what the loud, but misleading scientists are saying that it is. Funny how that works.

Do you think he read either of my links on CO2 and carbon footprint?

In the next 40 years, it should be about 6 feet long, 2 feet wide, and 15 inches thick placed approximately 6 feet below the Mt. Zion Cemetery.

quote Originally posted by Rainman: My wife and I each drive 70 miles daily for our work commute. She drives a turbo Saab and I drive a 4WD SUV. I don't complain, and because I don't subscribe to the man-induced global warming theory I feel no guilt. Think how much cleaner vehicles are running now than just 30 years ago.

Well it's the way we were brought up. Gas was plenty, & everyone wanted to have a 6,000 (or MUCH bigger!) sq. ft. home, & the biggest car(s) they could buy. Now, however, we're completely dependent on foriegn oil, & those that control it do not have the same values & beliefs. They're greedy bastards (like most of us here in the US) , & they don't care if there are children starving or not either.
But now, we either have to change our ways (live closer to work &/or drive small cars), or develop the other energy technologies. I know that you can afford to pay $10 or even $15 a gallon for gas, but there are poor folks that will not be able to put food on the table for their children if/when that happens. The poor are always the ones that suffer in an energy crisis (or any crisis for that matter).
As I said before, we cam turn this into a full-fledged energy/pollution dabate, but lets just keep it at the level where folks can check how much Co2 they produce (& therefore energythey use) - AND WAYS TO HELP.
OK?
Paul

quote Originally posted by intlcutlass: I was thinking about that the other day. Not counting the rain forests... I'm only speaking of USA... John Stossell? last year reported that we have more tree's now , than we did 100 year ago.... We (humans) should develop a genetic engineered plant, that breathes 2 or 3 times as much as normal. That would negate the effects of the human carbon foot print. Better yet , an oceanic version, that way 2/3 of the earths surface is spitting out huge amounts of o2. problem solved.

actually the ocean does absorb co2,

about about 19 times what man produces

Read: http://www.nov55.com/gbwm.html


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quote Originally posted by Tha Driver: I know that you can afford to pay $10 or even $15 a gallon for gas, but there are poor folks that will not be able to put food on the table for their children if/when that happens. The poor are always the ones that suffer in an energy crisis (or any crisis for that matter). Paul

Well then, be sure to tell the Democrats that it's a bad idea to raise the gas tax to help fight global warming by encouraging conservation!

Blah blah blah. If you think CO2 is so freaking bad, just hold your breath and stop releasing it! Please!
Save the world for the rest of us that don't buy into this crap, at least we won't have to hear the BS anymore.

quote Originally posted by fierobear: Well then, be sure to tell the Democrats that it's a bad idea to raise the gas tax to help fight global warming by encouraging conservation!

Why (tell them anything)? None of the politicians either care or have a clue either. Hillary did say something about making the oil companies pay back some of the money they've gouged the consumers out of, or something to that effect - not sure exactly what she said.
Did you iknow that in spite of profits exceeding 38 BILLION last year alone, Exxon has STILL not paid the poor folks at Prince William Sound the 17 bil that they won in a judgement in court for the Valdez incident? Now that is just CRIMINAL. The exxon execs. should be in jail.
Paul

Personally, I'm more worried about deforestation than CO2 emissions. You see, Carbon is recyclable. Plants absorb it out of the atmosphere. As long as there is enough plant matter to absorb the excess CO2, everything is fine. But the point is that atmospheric CO2 is a symptom, not the cause.

Unfortunately, that carbon calculator only tells half the story. It doesn't take into account all the plant matter on your property, to absorb your CO2 emissions. If it did, my "carbon footprint" would be VERY low. My back yard is like a miniature forest. But... whatever... :shrug:

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Just my wife, kids and me total 43.15 indiv. and 107.87 zero carbon. I didn't take my employees and business into concideration.
Dave

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I figure I have 20 years left tops. All that makes any difference to me is what happens in that 20 years. After that, everyone else is on their own. Nothing, except possibly another world war is going to happen in my time. No ice age, no global warming, no flooding 1/2 the continents, no extinct polar bears.....yada yada. Im more worried about an asteroid strike than anything else.

This carbon footprint "crap" is really just the tool for the UN income tax on the US that they failed to get through under the Clinton administration.

Debating the merits of co2 is fair game as I see it. After all, we ARE looking at a tax on it, the largest redistribution of money the world has ever seen, and a unacceptable level of power over us here in the US given to foreigners.