I was watching Boston Legal last night , and Denny Crane (taking his cues from the news) referes to a black man as articulate, and the debate ensued. Later in the episode Allan Shore says, "I think it’s more offensive to say, ‘street’ or ‘urban’, when the inference is you mean ‘black’."

So when will it end?

Lynching, a racist word? (title of thread)

No, Lynching (or lynch) is not a racist word. It's just a word.

It's either the party speaking it or the party hearing it that has to put the racist spin on it to give it effect. If you are not a biased person, well then the word just means somebody was hung in the absence of law.

However, if you are a political figure, you may want to draw attention to seemingly innocent words to gain a little publicity. Before he gets that commentator fired, he should probably read the constitution again, and ask himself which side he would have liked to have found himself, the British or the rebels?

Pyrthian, FYI "Negro" is not PC to use anymore. The term now is African American.

quote Originally posted by avengador1: Pyrthian, FYI "Negro" is not PC to use anymore. The term now is African American.

It may be PC, but it's entirely incorrect. Do I call you white, caucasin or European American?

Well, people have been fired for using the word "niggardly" correctly in a sentence.
It has nothing to do with race. But it sounds kinda like a word that some people don't like.

This past Christmas, oh, I'm sorry, Holidays, in some areas Santa changed his famous laugh to "Hee Hee Hee" because "Ho" was racist.

quote Originally posted by avengador1: Pyrthian, FYI "Negro" is not PC to use anymore. The term now is African American.

yup - but I enjoy the term more than any other....and, since I am not a politician, does PC even matter for me?
I find very few negros who have ANYTHING to do with africa, and, there are in fact white africans - I find it a silly term.

I think pretty soon, we'll be sueing each other for looking at someone in a racist manner. Or maybe even get arrested for suspicion of thoughts of racism. If your goal is to find racism, you'll find racism no matter where you go or what anyone does. If two parties of different races are involved, someone can look and find/create a racist situation. Kind of a self-fulfilling prophacy. Only forced on others.

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What a waste of everyones breath including Sharptons. There is no stretch of the imagination that makes a word prejudice, it is how the word is used that matters. What a bunch of vengence craving bloodthirsty hippocrites they are for doing all this. There seem to be more false alarms raised than genuine problems.

quote Originally posted by whadeduck: If your goal is to find racism, you'll find racism no matter where you go or what anyone does.

Sad but true. I have known such people.

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quote Originally posted by whadeduck: If your goal is to find racism, you'll find racism no matter where you go or what anyone does. If two parties of different races are involved, someone can look and find/create a racist situation. Kind of a self-fulfilling prophacy. Only forced on others.

Pretty much the first thing taught in a military Equal Opportunity Course. Second thing taught.............Everyone is prejudice. Everyone is capable of making these statements and have at one point in their life.

quote Originally posted by aceman: It may be PC, but it's entirely incorrect. Do I call you white, caucasin or European American?

See , and this is a good example...

Even if you did call me white, cracker, caucasin, or any other slang term.... I don't care.

Anyone see that episode of Rescue Me where Tommy and the gang have to go through sensitivity training?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i93O9m95CmI

I like calling white south africans that emigrate african-American. Its funny how blacks get pissy about it. More so because they have never been to Africa much less born there.

You all forget only WHITE MEN are capable of racism, and only black people were ever enslaved, and only black people are stereotyped and people say mean things about them. Chris rock (or similar) can call us beef stroganoff eating crackers, but nappy headed hoes ends the world. Racism is a two way street, its not right either way but I am tired of only white people catching sh!t for it.
Also, check your lineage before you play the slavery card or even the lynch card. If your parents emmigrated from england in 1974 STFU you can't say anything.

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BTW you can call me an American mutt. I have Irish, English, French and Spanish ancestry. Oh, and you don't need to be a politician to be politically correct. It just means that it is the accepted terminology used now.

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So I can call call a black man a Negro (From Negroid race) or black or an American Mutt because he probably has Cuban, Native American, French and Irish in him, too?

99% of the blacks in this country have no more ties to Africa than I do to Europe. In fact many of them probably have less because half of my ancestors came over here after 1870.

quote Originally posted by Mr.PBody: You all forget only WHITE MEN are capable of racism, and only black people were ever enslaved, and only black people are stereotyped and people say mean things about them. Chris rock (or similar) can call us beef stroganoff eating crackers, but nappy headed hoes ends the world. Racism is a two way street, its not right either way but I am tired of only white people catching sh!t for it. Also, check your lineage before you play the slavery card or even the lynch card. If your parents emmigrated from england in 1974 STFU you can't say anything.

Black were the last of the races to be enslaved, although there are still slave traders in Africa, where victorious tribal warfare enslaves members of the losing tribal communities. Weren't Jews enslaved some 2000 years ago? Weren't others enslave when countries were conquered during the Roman and Greek dynasties?

Yeah I am Catholic, wheres my reparations from the Romans? MY PEOPLE GOT EATEN BY LIONS! That **** sucks. Jews never got reparations to my knowledge, and sorry but I think the holocaust was worse, but comparing tragedies is a terrible thing to do. By the way if you think I am wrong, google Dr. Menegele / Mengale (sp?) having dyes injected into your eyes or being sown to your twin is pretty awful. The holocaust could be referred to as enslavement, the jews had to cut open batteries, work in factories, build stuff, farm, etc while being beaten, starved, and then often shot. But I don't hear Russ Parr in the morning talking about how jews need their 40 acres and a mule.

I'm not black but I am a slave so I can feel what is going on. As far as lynching, I can identify with the prejudices that are surrounding the word as I've been accosted by a few "torch lit" lynch mobs right here on this forum.

The word isnt racist the way you think it is.

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Although, (from viewing some of the comments) the use of the word, "lynch" in reference to someone that is black as being laughable, a joke, light hearted humor, reading into it, or doesn't apply...I don't. You mock all individuals that have suffered under such crimes. Mainly blacks. http://www.withoutsanctuary.org/main.html Heavens sake, they even had post cards depiction of black lynchings.

For I have living relatives (grandparents 96 yrs old) in their 90's who have suffered the atrocities (lynching’s) of the south. A television spokes women comes along riding the coat tails of Tiger Woods mouthing off using "lynching with reference to a black person" as a joke knows little or nothing about those very words uttered in a sentence 50 years ago could have sparked riots and lynching in the streets.

Is it any wonder why Susan Smith used a black person as the culprit in a car jacking and stealing her three kids? Was it the location where blacks resides, a group of people she didn't have any connections with thus no visual sketch making it hard to ID? it a The "run away Bride" using a Mexican and a black person as the kidnappers? The fact that such threads defending the actions of others that used them on this forum is troubling, very troubling.

The word has no value, except what we give it. Where do we find the accepted value for any given word? The dictionary has always been a common source. My dictionaries give no racial meaning to the word "lynch". If you find harm in a word, for starters you need some vagisil for the sand in your vagina, it is because you give it that value. Headline hunters, like Sharpton, have nothing better to do than "prove" race is still an issue. If he has no racists to fight, how would he be a pillar in the black community fighting injustices.
Tiger's people have already said, this is not an issue. The two were friends. They way I see it, she was trying to make an extreme statement about how good Tiger is at golf. For these young bucks to take over golf, they would have to take some pretty low measures to beat Tiger because they wouldn't be able to do it on the greens. But that's just the way I take it

Why is everyone so uptight about slavery? If it weren't for slavery lots of things wouldn't exist.



Remember, Slavery gets sh!t done !

As for the whole Lynching comment. It probably was in poor taste but come the f@#k on sharpton, your starting to sound like "the boy (can i say that legally since al is black, and you racist crackers all know how black folk don't liked to be called boy) who cried wolf" . Sharpton needs to get off the little crap and focus on relvant issues like the black communities high incarceration statistics .

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quote Originally posted by madcurl: As for the word, lynch; ing; only one race I can think of that has suffered by usage of the word with a rope around one's neck and it's not horse thief (s).

Typical "blacks are victims" mentality.

quote Originally posted by 84Bill: I'm not black but I am a slave so I can feel what is going on. As far as lynching, I can identify with the prejudices that are surrounding the word as I've been accosted by a few "torch lit" lynch mobs right here on this forum. The word isnt racist the way you think it is.

Your a slave? Maybe too your own pathetic failures in life. You have some nerve to even think you know any of the pain a slave did. Your not a martyr either. No one prejudged your dumb ass bill. It was just judge after you posted what you did. This is just another example of how truly useless you are. You are such a loser you try to ride on tails of slaves to garner sympathy.

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No phranc and bill STOP, this thread was going to be interesting but if it turns in a liar liar liar brokeback mountain thread I will lynch both of you.

quote Originally posted by afRaceR: Headline hunters, like Sharpton, have nothing better to do than "prove" race is still an issue. If he has no racists to fight, how would he be a pillar in the black community fighting injustices.

Have you been to any black communities to ask that very question? Is sharpton the pillar of the black community? I have and you may be surprised that man blacks hate sharpton for acting like a jackass and making blacks look like idiots. They dont like that at all and who does? I'm glad we dont have a kook running around like the Phelps Pham spouting off about white racism like sharpton does.

I can tell you for a fact that racism still exists in all it's fury and hatred. I have been blessed with opportunities to explore where few whites dare tread and I can tell you.. it does exist.

If a black man feels that the word lynch is racist I will not argue with him but instead will RESPECT his desires for me not to use it. I dont see how it would be used in the course of daily communication, I simply dont use it anyway so wtf. Now cracka and niggah are part of my daily language... especially cracker. If you aint a niggah you are probably cracka.

quote Originally posted by DRA: I just watched a news segment about the golf commentator who used the term "lynch" in a broadcast. Al Sharpton is now calling for her to be fired by her network.

People are way too sensitive to words, and hyprocitical racist POS's like Al Sharpton don't make it any better.

quote Originally posted by Mr.PBody: No phranc and bill STOP, this thread was going to be interesting but if it turns in a liar liar liar brokeback mountain thread I will lynch both of you.

No , it was going to be interesting until the two Bigots/Racists/White Supremists posted.

quote Originally posted by Phranc: If they are still living they sure didn't suffer a lynching.

So I suppose that means it never happened.

Who the hell pays al sharpton?

quote Originally posted by Mr.PBody: No phranc

Fixed that for ya.. and Thanks.

Whatever floats your boat, as long as it doesn't turn into butt fest 2008

quote Originally posted by Mr.PBody: Who the hell pays al sharpton?

The National Action Network. It's a civil righs organization. He founded it I believe.

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quote Originally posted by madcurl: For I have living relatives (grandparents 96 yrs old) in their 90's who have suffered the atrocities (lynching’s) of the south. A television spokes women comes along riding the coat tails of Tiger Woods mouthing off using "lynching with reference to a black person" as a joke knows little or nothing about those very words uttered in a sentence 50 years ago could have sparked riots and lynching in the streets. The fact that such threads defending the actions of others that used them on this forum is troubling, very troubling.

Well, isn't that the point? You make it yourself.

The woman wasn't AROUND 50 years ago. And for her entire life, lynching wasn't something that was happening to blacks. The only meaning it had to her was historical, not experiential. So to her, unless she is a student of history, lynching is something she would have thought very little about. Yeah, well, neither did I. I was born in 1956. I grew up about 100 miles from Chicago. We NEVER lynched anyone in the north. NEVER. Now have I read about it? Yeah. Know it is horrible? Obviously. But I don't even think about lynching.

So why did she? I tried to find the context. Nick Faldo had just said, "Maybe they should GANG up on him." Now that is a common terminology. But why doesn't everyone jump all over Faldo. He said to gang up on a black guy. WHOA. You can't say that. That is racist. Gang up on a black guy? That is at LEAST hate speech.

So in the context of him saying "Maybe they should gang up on him", she took it to the next level of absurd and said, "...lynch him in a back alley." I'm not defending her. Even in a joking contest, there is a line that is crossed where now it isn't funny. If she would have said, "...yeah. slit his throat." Not funny, either.

But RACIST? Let me tell you why I don't think she meant it in any way as racist. She personally KNOWS the guy. She is his friend. When she sees Tiger Woods, she doesn't see a black guy. She sees a person. Tiger Woods. She doesn't see color. IF she saw him as a black, she MIGHT have made sure not to use lynch. Maybe not. Hard to process everything at the speed of "on-the-air".

And Tiger Woods doesn't see himself as a black, either, by the way. People want to jam him into the black category as some sense of pride. "Hey, look at the first black guy to win "x" tournament or accomplish this or that." He has responded to that YEARS ago. He isn't running away from being black and he isn't hugging being black. He just sees himself as a PERSON. When people talked about black this and black that HE brought up that his mom is from the philippines. He is just as happy to be filipino as he is to be black.

You want racist? Why isn't he ever referred to as the first filipino to win the Masters or whatever? He is every bit as much filipino as he is black.

So HE doesn't primarily see himself as black. SHE doesn't primarily see him as black. They both just see themselves as PEOPLE.

Am I defending the use of lynching? NO. It was stupid. It will never be funny. But it wasn't stupid because Tiger Woods is HALF black, and because she is a racist. It was stupid because lynching can never be funny. And she was stupid about it because she was insensitive to what lynching really is. And she was insensitive because it has not had any reality to her life, EVEN GROWING UP IN THE SOUTH, for her entire lifetime.

So I don't care that she doesn't have an acute sense of how those words would have resulted 50 years ago. She wasn't around 50 years ago. Oh, you can bet she knows the impact of it NOW. BUT the point ought to be that when she said something like that in 2008, it did NOT cause the kind of reaction it did 50 years ago.

The VAST majority of the United States population has grown immensely regarding racism in the last 50 years. But there are a vocal minority who REFUSE to acknowledge that, and continue to try to drag us back to those days and hold us in it.

My friends who are black and I would never even be thinking about race and only relating to each other as people if it weren't for people like Al Sharpton.

There will always be some degree of racism around, but it is WAY less than it used to be, AND this woman is NOT an example of it.

ROFL and we get mad a preachers dipping into the communion basket, this ******* starts an organization to pay himself with donations.

quote Originally posted by Mr.PBody: Whatever floats your boat, as long as it doesn't turn into butt fest 2008

Well you see what he is doing so feel free to tell him it is unacceptable behavior.
Personally I know when I sink to his level it is childish but he wont stop because I asked him to. Dont ask me to stop something I didnt start. Okay?

quote Originally posted by madcurl: Although, (from viewing some of the comments) the use of the word, "lynch" in reference to someone that is black as being laughable, a joke, light hearted humor, reading into it, or doesn't apply...I don't. You mock all individuals that have suffered under such crimes. Mainly blacks. http://www.withoutsanctuary.org/main.html Heavens sake, they even had post cards depiction of black lynchings. For I have living relatives (grandparents 96 yrs old) in their 90's who have suffered the atrocities (lynching’s) of the south. A television spokes women comes along riding the coat tails of Tiger Woods mouthing off using "lynching with reference to a black person" as a joke knows little or nothing about those very words uttered in a sentence 50 years ago could have sparked riots and lynching in the streets. Is it any wonder why Susan Smith used a black person as the culprit in a car jacking and stealing her three kids? Was it the location where blacks resides, a group of people she didn't have any connections with thus no visual sketch making it hard to ID? it a The "run away Bride" using a Mexican and a black person as the kidnappers? The fact that such threads defending the actions of others that used them on this forum is troubling, very troubling.

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quote Originally posted by aceman: No , it was going to be interesting until the two Bigots/Racists/White Supremists posted.

It was interesting until you posted you laughable qualifications again.

quote Originally posted by 84Bill: Have you been to any black communities to ask that very question? Is sharpton the pillar of the black community? I have and you may be surprised that man blacks hate sharpton for acting like a jackass and making blacks look like idiots. They dont like that at all and who does? I'm glad we dont have a kook running around like the Phelps Pham spouting off about white racism like sharpton does. I can tell you for a fact that racism still exists in all it's fury and hatred. I have been blessed with opportunities to explore where few whites dare tread and I can tell you.. it does exist. If a black man feels that the word lynch is racist I will not argue with him but instead will RESPECT his desires for me not to use it. I dont see how it would be used in the course of daily communication, I simply dont use it anyway so wtf. Now cracka and niggah are part of my daily language... especially cracker. If you aint a niggah you are probably cracka.

I didn't say he was a pillar, but he wants to be and he tries to prove why he should be by pointing idiotic **** like this out. I never said racism didn't exist, I'm not that naive bill. I don't see the word being malicious to any particular race, its not a word that brings happy thoughts into my mind. I just don't see how it applies to only one race. Everything will offend somebody, that's just they way it is. I'm not gonna go out of my way to offend somebody, but I hardly see how a dumb statement by a reporter is grounds for a civil war. Bill, out of everyone here I would expect you to be familiar with the origins of "lynching"

quote The term 'lynching' is believed to have originated during the American Revolution when Charles Lynch, a Virginia justice of the peace, ordered extralegal punishment for Tory acts.

quote January 2, 1776 Congress publishes the Tory Act The Continental Congress publishes the “Tory Act” resolution on this day in 1776, which describes how colonies should handle those Americans who remain loyal to the British and King George. The act called on colonial committees to indoctrinate those "honest and well-meaning, but uninformed people" by enlightening them as to the "origin, nature and extent of the present controversy.” The Congress remained “fully persuaded that the more our right to the enjoyment of our ancient liberties and privileges is examined, the more just and necessary our present opposition to ministerial tyranny will appear.” However, those “unworthy Americans,” who had “taken part with our oppressors” with the aim of gathering “ignominious rewards,” were left to the relevant bodies, some ominously named “councils of safety,” to decide their fate. Congress merely offered its “opinion” that dedicated Tories “ought to be disarmed, and the more dangerous among them either kept in safe custody, or bound with sufficient sureties to their good behavior.” The lengths Congress and lesser colonial bodies would go to in order to repress Loyalists took a darker tone later in the act. Listing examples of the “execrable barbarity with which this unhappy war has been conducted on the part of our enemies,” Congress vowed to act “whenever retaliation may be necessary” although it might prove a “disagreeable task.” In the face of such hostility, some Loyalists chose not to remain in the American colonies. During the war, between 60,000 and 70,000 free persons and 20,000 slaves abandoned the rebellious 13 colonies for other destinations within the British empire. The Revolution effectively created two countries: Patriots formed the new United States, while fleeing Loyalists populated Canada.