I just watched a news segment about the golf commentator who used the term "lynch" in a broadcast. Al Sharpton is now calling for her to be fired by her network.
When someone uses the word "lynch" the first thing that comes to my mind is a horse theif, maybe a vigilantee group hanging a suspected outlaw, or just hanging someone in general. A racially motivated hanging would be way down on the list of things that come to my mind.
Am I just an insensitive racist a-hole?

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"We need to lynch Al. For the good of all humanity,someone PLEASE shut that guy up already! His hot air is causing global warming!!!!" -Al Gore

"When fascism comes to America, it'll be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross" - Sinclair Lewis

quote Originally posted by afRaceR: "When fascism comes to America, it'll be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross" - Sinclair Lewis

*looks closely at relevance*

And?....

quote Originally posted by DRA: I just watched a news segment about the golf commentator who used the term "lynch" in a broadcast. Al Sharpton is now calling for her to be fired by her network. When someone uses the word "lynch" the first thing that comes to my mind is a horse theif, maybe a vigilantee group hanging a suspected outlaw, or just hanging someone in general. A racially motivated hanging would be way down on the list of things that come to my mind. Am I just an insensitive racist a-hole?

No, people like Sharpton will look for any and all reasons to scream racism. They have problems with insecurity I believe...

~ Derek

quote Originally posted by DRA: When someone uses the word "lynch" the first thing that comes to my mind is a horse theif, maybe a vigilantee group hanging a suspected outlaw, or just hanging someone in general. A racially motivated hanging would be way down on the list of things that come to my mind. Am I just an insensitive racist a-hole?

I just saw what the young women said and I found it totally callous on her part. Just another repeat of what was said when Tiger won his first Masters. The reference then was ‘I guess we’ll start serving, water melon and chicken in the club house.” As for the firing of her, I think that over the top.

As for the word, lynch; ing; only one race I can think of that has suffered by usage of the word with a rope around one's neck and it's not horse thief (s).

quote Originally posted by madcurl:As for the word, lynch; ing; only one race I can think of that has suffered by usage of the word with a rope around one's neck and it's not horse thief (s).

All horse theives are black?

quote Originally posted by madcurl: As for the word, lynch; ing; only one race I can think of that has suffered by usage of the word with a rope around one's neck and it's not horse thief (s).

White people who were lynched didn't suffer? What about the Mexicans? Not only blacks were lynched.

Its like saying a Hangman's noose is racist. People of every colour have been lynched or hanged from trees.

The only way its racist is if people ignore the thousands of none blacks that got lynch. And in and of it self is racist.

Not much different then saying only blacks were slaves in the south. There were white slaves too. There were also black slave owners. But thats glossed over so people with an agenda can say slavery was all about racism.

lynch (linch) e.1 To Kill (a person accused of a crime) by mob action, as by hanging, without due process of law.

lynch law The practice of administering punishment by lynching [? after Charles Lynch,1736 - 96, or William Lynch, 1742 - 1820, Virginia Magistrates]

Charles Lynch (1736 – October 29, 1796) was a Virginia planter and American Revolutionary who headed an irregular court formed in central Virginia to punish supporters of the British during the American Revolution. The terms lynching and lynch law derive from his actions. The sentences handed down included whipping, property seizure, coerced pledges of allegiance, and conscription, and hanging from the walnut tree on his property, hence the development of the term "lynching".

Captain William Lynch (1742 – 1820) of Pittsylvania County, Virginia practiced lynching circa 1780. It is believed that lynching and Lynch law are named after him. In the late 18th century, Pittsylvania County, Virginia, was troubled by criminals who could not be dealt with by the courts, which were too distant. This led to an agreement to punish such criminals without due process of law. Both the practice and the punishment came to be called lynch law after Captain William Lynch, who drew up a compact on September 22, 1780, with a group of his neighbors. Arguing that Pittsylvania had "sustained great and intolerable losses by a set of lawless men ... that ... have hitherto escaped the civil power with impunity," they agreed to respond to reports of criminality in their neighborhood by "repair[ing] immediately to the person or persons suspected ... and if they will not desist from their evil practices, we will inflict such corporeal punishment on him or them, as to us shall seem adequate to the crime committed or the damage sustained." Originally, Lynch Law and lynching was not associated with hanging, but called for 39 lashes, and other less severe punishments were also used. William Lynch died in 1820, and the inscription on his grave notes that "he followed virtue as his truest guide."

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quote Originally posted by Phranc: White people who were lynched didn't suffer? What about the Mexicans? Not only blacks were lynched. Its like saying a Hangman's noose is racist. People of every colour have been lynched or hanged from trees. The only way its racist is if people ignore the thousands of none blacks that got lynch. And in and of it self is racist. Not much different then saying only blacks were slaves in the south. There were white slaves too. There were also black slave owners. But thats glossed over so people with an agenda can say slavery was all about racism.

I'm sure whites were being hung and terrorizing by neighborhood minorities wearing white hoods, right?

I think she blurted out the wrong words and should be punished for it.
As for Lynching, it brings hate to my mind no matter what the color. I cant think of any good reason to use the word.

quote Originally posted by madcurl: I'm sure whites were being hung and terrorizing by neighborhood minorities wearing white hoods, right?

and there is a difference between being beaten, having your property seized, being publically humiliated, and hung whether someone is wearing a white hood or not?

quote Originally posted by madcurl: I'm sure whites were being hung and terrorizing by neighborhood minorities wearing white hoods, right?

So only the KKK lynched people? More horse thieves were lynched by vigilance committees then blacks by the klan. Your narrow scope is blinding you from the big picture. Like I said what about Mexicans? But you keep bringing it back to blacks. It fits your agenda. I guess burning houses is a klan thing too? Despite all the houses burned the klan burned black homes. So does that fit too? What about shootings? The klan shot blacks. So are guns and shooting a racial things like lynchings? What about beatings? The klan beat blacks so is beating racial?

quote Originally posted by AP2k: *looks closely at relevance* And?....

It means the Rev Sharpton is a bully who uses his "holly" position to try to punish people who have no malicious intent. I don't know the facts about this incident. But just because somebody uses the word lynch, or watermelon, or fried chicken shouldn't automatically invoke an image of any particular race. Its just a rediculous concept by people who further devide racial groups. How many people would have actually even taken notice if he hadn't publicized it? Just because someone has a title of reverend or preacher doesn't make them a "morality" judge but yet our society has a high regard for these people, some are the same ones who molest young children .

quote Originally posted by Phranc: How about using it for what it is. A word describing the murder by mob rule with out a fair trial.

Exactly, I dont see any way to use the word to say something nice about someone.

Don't get me wrong if I was sitting next to her I'd have slapped her upside her head.

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From what I heard and saw of the incident the other commentator was talking about the up and coming young golfers who were poised to take the title of the great one from Tiger, I would like to see an actual transcript but from what
I heard it was no different than saying one team or individual was gonna "kill" or "murder" another team or individual, or "run them out of town", or "bury" them, or "hang um' from the highest tree". I in no way interpreted what she said as literal, it seemed to be a light hearted jest made in fun.
She is a friend of Tigers from what I gather and he has already issued a statement that it is a "non-issue"!

I just don't understand how a "word" can be so evil that it's mere utterance justifies persecution of an individual for simply saying them.

edited to add one of my favorites! They are gonna get their a$$es raped.

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I sure wish somone would publish a list of english language words "scheduled" to be usurped, condemned or forbidden.

Not even one generation ago one could utter the phrase; ""Bob seems very gay today" and it had none of the connotation it does today.

Now "lynching" is going onto the "list" of *forbidden words*.

Conversely, televison programs seem to be constantly filling with profane and off-color language that in previous times would have likely earned the utterer jail time.

We have indeed gone completely insane.

quote Originally posted by Phranc:Not much different then saying only blacks were slaves in the south. There were white slaves too. There were also black slave owners. But thats glossed over so people with an agenda can say slavery was all about racism.

There were slaves in the north as well.

They didnt even get freed until after the Civil War, even. The Emancipation Proclamation was for those slaves in the CSA. Insult to injury, Lincoln didnt even have the authority to free them since the CSA was a separate country altogether.

It does sound like it could be considered racist in the context it was used.

an on-air statement by Golf Channel commentator Kelly Tilghman that any contender trying to beat [Tiger Woods] might have to "lynch him in a back alley."

But if Tiger's not offended, then I think they should let it drop. The commentator certainly knows that was a stupid thing to say. There's nothing more that needs to be done.

quote Originally posted by AP2k: There were slaves in the north as well. They didnt even get freed until after the Civil War, even. The Emancipation Proclamation was for those slaves in the CSA. Insult to injury, Lincoln didnt even have the authority to free them since the CSA was a separate country altogether.

Oh believe me I know. I could go on about Lincoln and his war crimes like the illegal and immoral action of holding the city of Baltimore hostage with orders that Ft. McHenry open fire on the civilian population with cannon batteries if the Maryland delegates excised their legal right to submit its vote to suceed ( under the same articles that brought the states together) after he placed them under house arrest illegally. A clear violation of the Geneva Conventions. Then there was Sherman's rape, pillage, murder and looting...... er I mean "march".

Not so Sharpton says

"Lynching is not murder in general, it's not assault in general," Sharpton said. "It's a specific racial term that this women should be held accountable for. What she said is racist. Whether she's a racist ... is immaterial. She's a broadcaster. The channel has to be accountable to the public."

Good lord what an idiot! a self serving trouble making idiot!

this is what i think of when i hear "lynch".

quote Originally posted by sostock: this is what i think of when i hear "lynch".

Very nicely done.

I think ole not so Sharpton should be tried for crimes against humanity,,,,,and then lynched! heh typical jackhole emeasurably hurting the very people he claims to be protecting,,, must be a democrat.

lynching is ages old stuff. people were lynched before there was a United States of America.

sounds like someone is running out of stuff to b!tch about.

yes, I am sure the negro's get a special feeling in their gut when they hear the word "lynching". no doubt about it. cant deny that. and, words are stripped from our language all the time. does it really matter if we stop using "lynching"?? I will still dislike the negro race no matter what words are available for my vocabulary.

single words can be powerful, and instill deep gut feelings. a current one that seems to make most men bristle: Hillllary
after seeing that, did not many feeling & thoughts rush you?

You forgot the Chinese that were brought over here in the 1800's. A few of them were guests of honor at a necktie party.

John Stricker

quote Originally posted by Phranc: White people who were lynched didn't suffer? What about the Mexicans? Not only blacks were lynched. Its like saying a Hangman's noose is racist. People of every colour have been lynched or hanged from trees. The only way its racist is if people ignore the thousands of none blacks that got lynch. And in and of it self is racist. Not much different then saying only blacks were slaves in the south. There were white slaves too. There were also black slave owners. But thats glossed over so people with an agenda can say slavery was all about racism.

quote Originally posted by sostock: this is what i think of when i hear "lynch".

That's what I thought of, too.

Or that scene in the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly...

George Carlin should do a skit about words we shouldn't use anymore...

quote Originally posted by jstricker: Uhhhhhh............. The civil war was from 1861-1865. The first Geneva Convention Articles were signed by 12 nations in 1864 and the US was not a signator. The US didn't sign on to the treaty until 1882. So how could Lincoln violate a treaty that didn't exist at that time and after it did exist, wasn't signed by a US President until 20 years later? John Stricker

Bad sentence placement and grammer. That should go after Sherman. And even though the US hadn't signed then it still illustrates how much of a stalwart of ethics and morals Lincoln really was.

And excellent point about the Chinese. That is an aspect of western history mostly overlooked when talking about racism in America.

The Klan not only hates Blacks, they hate Catholics, Jews and foreigners.

quote In its second incarnation, the Klan moved beyond just targeting blacks, and broadened its message of hate to include Catholics, Jews and foreigners. The Klan promoted fundamentalism and devout patriotism along with advocating white supremacy.

You can read about it here http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/ame...leevents/e_klan.html

quote Originally posted by Formula88: It does sound like it could be considered racist in the context it was used. an on-air statement by Golf Channel commentator Kelly Tilghman that any contender trying to beat [Tiger Woods] might have to "lynch him in a back alley."

Thank you for quoting in context. I agree with you. In the context in which it was used, the word "lynch" did carry some subtle racial overtones. I doubt, however, that the racial implication was intentional.

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also, where you are from. "lynching" is a common british term also. if you were raised, or even your parents were raised in a british colony (Canada included) - Lynching has no negro inflection AT ALL.

and this is why these negros need to get off this crap. its a big big world, and if you to gain respect - try doing something which gains respect. this certainly aint it. try showing us there can in fact be a thriving civilization which is primarly negro. why is it so impossible for a group a negros to make the world around them a better place?

Horse thieves and murderers were lynched..........white or black........

Im fixing a black Mercedes that was hit. Call Al, it had to be a racist that ran into him just because it was black...........

quote Originally posted by DRA: Am I just an insensitive racist a-hole?

New word for the day--

No. I think Al Sharpton is a "race-a-holic" and needs special "colored treatment" till he recovers!

quote Originally posted by Marvin McInnis: Thank you for quoting in context. I agree with you. In the context in which it was used, the word "lynch" did carry some subtle racial overtones. I doubt, however, that the racial implication was intentional.

Given the context, I would go so far as to say it was quite racial, and were I Tiger Woods, I would have been offended. To me, it seems obvious the thought behind the remark was "he's untouchable as a golfer, but we know how to take care of blacks."

No, I don't think that it was a conscious, malicious remark. But it was worded that was because he's black - and that makes it racist, IMO. I can't see the same remark being said of a non-black golfer.

But like I said before, Tiger said he wasn't offended, and I think that should be the deciding factor. There's too much uproar by people who aren't involved getting offended on someone else's behalf.

quote Originally posted by Formula88: To me, it seems obvious the thought behind the remark was "he's untouchable as a golfer, but we know how to take care of blacks."

I used to work in television many years ago, and I have to bluntly say that many (but by no means all) sportscasters are glib but inarticulate idiots. Was her choice of words a product of subconscious racism? Possibly. But also consider McInnis' First Law: "In the real world, simple incompetence is usually a far more sinister force than evil intent."

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Some of Yall Folks are so thin skinned you couldn't bump into an invisible wall and bleed!

Stop seein' sound and hearin' color.

quote Originally posted by Marvin McInnis: I used to work in television many years ago, and I have to bluntly say that many (but by no means all) sportscasters are glib but inarticulate idiots. Was her choice of words a product of subconscious racism? Possibly. But also consider McInnis' First Law: "In the real world, simple incompetence is usually a far more sinister force than evil intent."

Bingo.