quote Originally posted by jstricker: That doesn't mean free speech is a privelege.

Oh but it is defiantly leaning toward that!! First the words then the laws start flying. The FCC and black helicopters are watching.

Oh and I never said he was banned or barred.

cen·sure

–noun
1. strong or vehement expression of disapproval: The newspapers were unanimous in their censure of the tax proposal.
2. an official reprimand, as by a legislative body of one of its members.

quote The one right you, I, or anyone else does NOT have is the right to NOT be offended. Now where was I? Oh, yeah, being offended...................

LOL

Damnit man.. Then why can I say **** **** **** **** sucker mother ****er or tits on the air? Because??? Someone might get offended? Why do people go to jail for drunk driving when NO ONE was hurt or injured... because they MIGHT hurt someone. Yes driving is NOW a privilege but it was a right. Why are hand guns "controlled" because someone MIGHT use them to commit a crime. Yes having concealed hand guns or buying them is NOW a privilege, one must be granted permission to buy one then apply to carry it. but it was a right to do both at one time.

Damn,,, cant preview the profanity filter.. may have to edit... yup, had to edit.

Ohhh CLIFF!?!?!?!????

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quote Originally posted by 84Bill: So that means he a communist because he states you and everyone has a duty to contribute to society? I believe your statement is more communist than his... I could be wrong but I doubt it.

This is really self evident and you know it. I will not bother to respond since you are not being serious but playing your Todd game and blowing yet another thread.

quote Originally posted by Red88FF: This is really self evident and you know it. I will not bother to respond since you are not being serious but playing your Todd game and blowing yet another thread.

No.. it may be "self" evident but it's not that evident to me, thats why I asked for clarification. No... it was a very serious question that requires a definitive answer from you. You dont have to answer me but then that would mean your accusations are hollow and without merit.

Suit yourself, I don't care either way.

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quote Originally posted by 84Bill: No.. it was a very serious question that requires a definitive answer from you. You dont have to answer me but then that would mean your accusations are hollow and without merit. Suit yourself, I don't care either way.

No, I used a simple analogy that absolutely proved the point. You on the other hand are playing stupid game contradicting everything you have vehemently argued for in the past AND letting Todd get the better of you,,,, big time.

And you do care because obviously you just can't leave it alone, that or your sole source of enjoyment these days is to waste peoples time.

quote Originally posted by Red88FF: No, I used a simple analogy that absolutely proved the point. You on the other hand are playing stupid game contradicting everything you have vehemently argued for in the past AND letting Todd get the better of you,,,, big time. And you do care because obviously you just can't leave it alone, that or your sole source of enjoyment these days is to waste peoples time.

I just asked a damn question... jesus effin christ I asked you to state clearly what you are "INFERRING" thru indirect wording.

So that means he a communist because he states you and everyone has a duty to contribute to society?

Yes?
No?

A stupid person will never admit he is stupid until he opens his mouth and removes all doubt. Kinda SELF evident isnt it?

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quote Originally posted by 84Bill: I just asked a damn question... jesus effin christ I asked you to state clearly what you are "INFERRING" thru indirect wording. So that means he a communist because he states you and everyone has a duty to contribute to society? Yes? No? A stupid person will never admit he is stupid until he opens his mouth and removes all doubt. Kinda SELF evident isnt it?

The question you are attempting to badger with me has NOTHING to do with it. You look foolish, but that had never bothered you before.

Here it is in very simple terms for you.
I know it was a whole page ago but we ARE talking about "fair" vs. "free" speach and who decides. "He" said he was for "fair" over "free" any day. Jubus, try and follow along, or get off the puter and get a job!


Since you just can't get it because it is sooooo simple

I used a simple analogy that absolutely proved the point. You on the other hand are playing stupid game contradicting everything you have vehemently argued for in the past AND letting Todd get the better of you,,,, big time.

Gotta go now unlike YOU I have to get up in the morn. and contribute to society tomorrow.

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quote Originally posted by Red88FF: Gotta go now unlike YOU I have to get up in the morn. and contribute to society tomorrow.

...and help pay for Bill's government cheese.

quote Originally posted by 84Bill: LOL Damnit man.. Then why can I say **** **** **** **** sucker mother ****er or tits on the air? Because??? Someone might get offended?

No. Because it is specifically against FCC Regulations. For what REASON I neither know nor care. There is a difference. A regulation might be in place for reasons OTHER than being offensive, but in place they are.

quote Originally posted by 84Bill: Why do people go to jail for drunk driving when NO ONE was hurt or injured... because they MIGHT hurt someone. Yes driving is NOW a privilege but it was a right. Why are hand guns "controlled" because someone MIGHT use them to commit a crime. Yes having concealed hand guns or buying them is NOW a privilege, one must be granted permission to buy one then apply to carry it. but it was a right to do both at one time.

I'm not sure it was EVER a right to be drunken in public, Bill. I know that as far back as the early 1800's, many places had drunk and disorderly as well as public drunkeness laws in place. Again, for what reason I neither know nor care, but they were in place. I personally think that someone driving drunk is also drunk in public but worse, considering they have the potential to cause bodily harm to others, perhaps many others.

All that aside, there is no constitutional guarantee of your "right" to get drunk and drive a car, or even drive a car at all for that matter. Your analogy doesn't hold up.

On the gun issue, you were much closer. The constitution DOES state we have a right to keep and bear arms and they ARE trying to at best weaken that and at worst take it away completely.

You'll notice that your definition of censure is exactly what I said it was. An expression of disapproval with no effect. The senate simply used their right to free speech to express their disapproval. The only thing I think they did wrong was not do it on their own time. They should have kept track of every second they debated and voted on this, divided that by what they got paid, and returned the money to the government.

John Stricker

quote Originally posted by 84Bill: Evidentially it is a privilege otherwise the senate would be wrong for doing what it did.

"Otherwise"? Come on Bill, I'm sure you still have at least two working brain cells to put this puzzle together.

[Translation]

DUCK SEASON! FIRE!

[/Translation]

Enjoy that crow.

quote Originally posted by Red88FF: Gotta go now unlike YOU I have to get up in the morn. and contribute to society tomorrow.

quote Originally posted by fierobear: ...and help pay for Bill's government cheese.

You know.. these statements are getting very very old, kind of like hearing the same old joke told by a feeble minded old man over and over and over... Kinda sad to see you stuck on stupid.

Anywho, I had a yatch race today, did fairly well considering how tired I was.

quote Originally posted by 84Bill: So states the klodd who doesnt even offer up a valid reply..

stop posting in Klingon and you'll get a reply.

$851,000!!!!

quote Originally posted by Toddster: $851,000!!!!

I think something is going to be coming down the pike with this issue. Should be very interesting.

Every one of those guys that signed that were obviously not thinking ahead, it's going to bite them in the ass.

Some people have way too much money.

quote Originally posted by Red88FF: I think something is going to be coming down the pike with this issue. Should be very interesting. Every one of those guys that signed that were obviously not thinking ahead, it's going to bite them in the ass.

Let's not forget the girl(s).

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Ron

Never, never do anything or wear things that you don't want to have to explain to Paramedics, it can get very embarrassing. They talk!

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quote Originally posted by 84Bill: Some people have way too much money.

You're right, Harry Reid is WAY overpaid...

quote Originally posted by OKflyboy: You're right, Harry Reid is WAY overpaid...

They all are and so is Dumbaugh.

quote Originally posted by OKflyboy: You're right, Harry Reid is WAY overpaid...

Don't worry, he made enough on those land swinddles to pay for the letter.

...and then totally deny it ever existed.

quote Originally posted by 84Bill: They all are and so is Dumbaugh.

Nono, Limbuagh is in private enterprise, and is not swindling taxpayers out of their money. His audience is strictly voluntary, no one gets to say "I didn't vote for him", either they listen or they don't. and that is entirely their choice. Not quite the same, my friend...

quote Originally posted by OKflyboy: Nono, Limbuagh is in private enterprise, and is not swindling taxpayers out of their money. His audience is strictly voluntary, no one gets to say "I didn't vote for him", either they listen or they don't. and that is entirely their choice. Not quite the same, my friend...

True... but Dimbuagh supports swindlers who end up swindling taxpayers out of their money.

quote Originally posted by 84Bill: True... but Dimbuagh supports swindlers who end up swindling taxpayers out of their money.

And his "support" means what, exactly? I still contend that a listener who is unhappy with Limbaugh need only to change the channel. A taxpayer who is unhappy with his legislator has no such choice... Therefore, IMHO, Harry Reid is WAY overpaid. He would have been fired, or at the very least demoted by now were he in the private sector...

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quote Originally posted by 84Bill: True... but Limbaugh supports swindlers who end up swindling taxpayers out of their money.

Based on his universal condemnation of the Democratic Party I'd say he isn't supporting swindlers at all. In Fact, for 20 year or more he has been a very vocal advocate for reducing government waste and corruption and exposing crooks and scams.

quote Originally posted by OKflyboy: And his "support" means what, exactly? I still contend that a listener who is unhappy with Limbaugh need only to change the channel. A taxpayer who is unhappy with his legislator has no such choice... Therefore, IMHO, Harry Reid is WAY overpaid. He would have been fired, or at the very least demoted by now were he in the private sector...

Right.. ANNNNND I said they are ALL way over paid and so is Bimbaugh who panders to the rescumblikan party.

Sure I agree, one can change the channel but that doesn't mean that pill popper Oxy addict Bimbaugh stops pandering to the rescumblikan party now does it?

quote Originally posted by 84Bill: Right.. ANNNNND I said they are ALL way over paid and so is Bimbaugh who panders to the rescumblikan party. Sure I agree, one can change the channel but that doesn't mean that pill popper Oxy addict Bimbaugh stops pandering to the rescumblikan party now does it?

I'm calling it, 10/18 7PM, we've had a "pill popping" reference... what a surprise <yawn>

anyways...

Limbaugh is, in fact, not overpaid. What I'm saying, by pointing out the "captive audience (voter)" That Reid has, and Limbaugh doesn't is, that Limbaugh's income is directly related to his listening audience's approval, and they voice that approval by listening, and then supporting the products that he sponsors, who pay HIM for advertising. Therefore, the free-market dictates that he is being paid EXACTLY what he should be paid.

Reid, however, based on voter approval ratings, is not doing what his constituants elected him to. They however, do not have the ability to control his salary by similar free-market principals.

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quote Originally posted by OKflyboy: Reid, however, based on voter approval ratings, is not doing what his constituants elected him to. They however, do not have the ability to control his salary by similar free-market principals.

Which is precisely what the Socialist (Democratic) Party wants; Heck, why should our salaries in Congress be linked to performance?!

quote Originally posted by OKflyboy: I'm calling it, 10/18 7PM, we've had a "pill popping" reference... what a surprise <yawn> anyways...

Where were you for Page 1?

quote Limbaugh is, in fact, not overpaid. What I'm saying, by pointing out the "captive audience (voter)" That Reid has, and Limbaugh doesn't is, that Limbaugh's income is directly related to his listening audience's approval, and they voice that approval by listening, and then supporting the products that he sponsors, who pay HIM for advertising. Therefore, the free-market dictates that he is being paid EXACTLY what he should be paid.

Trust me, I worked for ClearChannel the pillpoppin republican knob bobbing blowhard is way overpaid.

quote Reid, however, based on voter approval ratings, is not doing what his constituants elected him to. They however, do not have the ability to control his salary by similar free-market principals.

Umm... Yeah... and so are all the other senators... Am I missing something here?

quote Originally posted by 84Bill: trust me....

My Father told me to never trust a man who began a sentence with "trust me".

NOBODY in America is overpaid. We have a market driven economy. The term "overpaid" is a contradiction of terms. But you would know that if you knew anything about economics.

quote Originally posted by 84Bill: Where were you for Page 1?

Hmm, I didn't say "first pill popping reference" now did I?

Sad, really. Anytime anyone wants to criticize Limbaugh they always immediately jump to that. However those same people are usually the first ones to be critical of anyone else who makes fun of someone recovering from an addiction.

quote Originally posted by 84Bill: Trust me, I worked for ClearChannel the pillpoppin republican knob bobbing blowhard is way overpaid.

And, do you care to back that up by refuting any of my arguements, or is the "trust me" supposed to suffice?

quote Originally posted by 84Bill: Umm... Yeah... and so are all the other senators... Am I missing something here?

No. I agree, our politicians, while their "official salaries" may be low, make WAY too much money from being politicians.

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Here's an example of someone who should be censured.

http://breitbart.tv/html/6912.html

"Where are you going to get that money? Are you going to tell us lies like you're telling us today? Is that how you're going to fund the war? You don't have money to fund the war or children. But you're going to spend it to blow up innocent people if we can get enough kids to grow old enough for you to send to Iraq to get their heads blown off for the president's amusement."

I'd say more liberal retard BS from CA, but that would be an insult to the mentally challenged.

quote Originally posted by OKflyboy: Hmm, I didn't say "first pill popping reference" now did I? Sad, really. Anytime anyone wants to criticize Limbaugh they always immediately jump to that. However those same people are usually the first ones to be critical of anyone else who makes fun of someone recovering from an addiction.

Yeah.. It is.. He's a public figure who got nabbed red handed and walked scott free so he deserves it.

quote And, do you care to back that up by refuting any of my arguements, or is the "trust me" supposed to suffice?

As a ClearChannel station we were required to air his shows.. It's just one of those things that comes with the ClearChannel family BS.. Since had to pay to play he was given the 300 watt AM station. He has no market here but we still have to play his bias blubbering bullshit on the air.

So yes, he is WAY overpaid. I had to cut his show segments. That time would have been better used playing 40's 50's and 60's muzak... which btw got a higher rating.

quote No. I agree, our politicians, while their "official salaries" may be low, make WAY too much money from being politicians.

Umm humm... and what about those Bimbaughs who love nuzzle on their wee wees?

You know thats how these limp wristed scumbag politicians get into office in the first place dont you?

quote Originally posted by 84Bill: Umm humm... and what about those Bimbaughs who love nuzzle on their wee wees? You know thats how these limp wristed scumbag politicians get into office in the first place dont you?

Boy, do you ever turn it off, or are you this crude all the time?

How about an argument without all the 5th grade euphemisms?

quote Originally posted by OKflyboy: Boy, do you ever turn it off, or are you this crude all the time?

I don't like the guy because he is a primadonna and a government ass kissing (well one of the two cheeks anyway) blowhard.. He makes my stomach churn becasue he gets away with creap that an ordinary people like you and I would be in jail for 3 years over.. Hes a public figure and I like to smear his bloated oxy abusing ass thru the mud for it...

Thats my opinion and I'm sticking to it.

Why are you offended? I'm not attacking you so what is the problem?

quote How about an argument without all the 5th grade euphemisms?

Sure can... already way ahead of you. I'm an adult and these are adult opinions. I'm not PC if thats what you are inferring.

quote Originally posted by 84Bill: Why are you offended? I'm not attacking you so what is the problem?

Who says I'm offended? You are 100% entitled to you opinion.

quote Originally posted by 84Bill: Sure can... already way ahead of you. I'm an adult and these are adult opinions. I'm not PC if thats what you are inferring.

Good, the PC movement is a bunch of nonsense, I claim no "right" to remain unoffended. However, its said that vulgarity is the sign of a weak arguement (and a weak mind), and in your case (arguement, not mind - no insults here...), I can see the wisdom in that statement.

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quote Originally posted by OKflyboy: Good, the PC movement is a bunch of nonsense, I claim no "right" to remain unoffended.

Good... because Bimbaugh is an oxy abusing doper and over paid repuplikin pandering windbag.

quote Originally posted by 84Bill: Good... because Bimbaugh is an oxy abusing doper and over paid repuplikin pandering windbag.

<yawn> you keep typing but all I see is "blah blah blah I have no logical argument so I'll just be crude and insulting instead". Boy, would be nice to see a logical arguement somewhere amidst all that vitriol...

quote Originally posted by OKflyboy: <yawn> you keep typing but all I see is "blah blah blah I have no logical argument so I'll just be crude and insulting instead". Boy, would be nice to see a logical arguement somewhere amidst all that vitriol...

What is the argument?

Rush = scumbag supporter
Politicians = scumbags

Seems clear to me where I stand on this issue and it appears there is no argument to be made.