quote Originally posted by Formula88: Yes, and by the same logic, you can kill people if you don't mind the long term accommodations.

Not in all cases. Just ask Mr. Kennedy.

quote Originally posted by 84Bill: Not in all cases. Just ask Mr. Kennedy.

Thank you for illustrating my point. There are no absolutes.

quote Originally posted by Formula88: Thank you for illustrating my point. There are no absolutes.

Are you absolutely sure of that

absolutely prostitutely!

quote Originally posted by Formula88: This is your government officially trying to condemn a citizen's speech because they disagree with it.

There is precedent. Remember Jane Fonda and the Viet Nam war? (FWIW, I didn't agree with her, either.)

Rush Limbaugh knows that he is, first and foremost, an entertainer. Unfortunately, most of his audience does not, and he has achieved both notariety and prosperity by making mountains out of political molehills. If he is being misquoted, then I support him in this instance; if not, then let the chips fall where they may.

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I remember Hanoi Jane, but I don't remember a government resolution against her.
Even so, the case could be made that she was giving aid and comfort to the enemy in a time of war. That's a bit different from making comments you take exception to on the radio.

quote Originally posted by Formula88: I remember Hanoi Jane, but I don't remember a government resolution against her.

Thats true... back then the US was a very different place.

quote Originally posted by 84Bill: Not necessarily. There wasnt a war going on then, at least not one declared by congress.

There hasn't been a Declaration of War by the U.S. since WWII. That doesn't matter; however, as treason as defined by giving aid and comfort to the enemy only need happen during "hostilities." That was established back in the 1800's. In addition, there was the Gulf of Tonkin resolution, which could be construed as a declaration of war.

I should have said "giving aid and comfort to the enemy during hostilities" or just "giving aid and comfort to the enemy" to avoid any confusion.

Not sure I follow the rest of your remark. Yes, you have to consciously turn on the radio. That comment would seem to support my opinion that the situation with Rush is different than Jane Fonda's.

quote Originally posted by Formula88: There hasn't been a Declaration of War by the U.S. since WWII. That doesn't matter; however, as treason as defined by giving aid and comfort to the enemy only need happen during "hostilities." That was established back in the 1800's. In addition, there was the Gulf of Tonkin resolution, which could be construed as a declaration of war. I should have said "giving aid and comfort to the enemy during hostilities" or just "giving aid and comfort to the enemy" to avoid any confusion.

Yes... construed but never declared.

quote Not sure I follow the rest of your remark. Yes, you have to consciously turn on the radio. That comment would seem to support my opinion that the situation with Rush is different than Jane Fonda's.

Depends on who you construe as the enemy.

I dont like Rush and I dont like the government. The enemy of my enemy is my enemy.

quote Originally posted by 84Bill: I disagree.. you can yell fire in a theater.... the just better be a fire or you will be fined.

Bill once again you contradict yourself. You say on one post "You are for dicing up the freedom of speech.... and no... I'm not for that AT ALL never will be " (which is wrong BTW, in case you have had one to many tokes today I am the one who started this thread about protecting free speech). Then you let loose with this gem above? So which is is Bill? Do you acknowledge the power of the state to limit what you say with sanctions or not? Phelps basically yelled fire in a crowded theater and was "fined". So why do you decry the law that you yourself say is OK?

As for the specific issue of Rush, this story gets worse. Apparently Democratic Sentors are now beginning an "investigation" (their own words) into the radio broadcasts of Rush Limbaugh, Shaun Hannity, and Mark Levin. Of rush specifically, Henry Waxman's aide says he wants to "silence him". Pelosi, Durbin, Reid, Shumer, and Waxman all signed off on the program to silence Rush and these other talk show hosts with a mass mailing campaign.
http://radioequalizer.blogs...-campaign-henry.html
The hypocrisy is staggering!

This has gone beyond bad taste or just bad politics. These people want to suspend the 1st amendment and they are PROUD to say so!!!

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The problem with what the dems want is who is to say radio is liberal or conserative? Oh, the dems will tell us I guess. Typical dem slight of hand. As said before, you can turn off the radio/tv.... there is the freedom of choice, not more regulation. Too bad the dems can't do anything important for this country.

BTW, everyone should be upset... your tax dollars are being spent on this nonsense!

J.

Why don't the dems just start their own radio station and use their deep pockets to counter the reps message....... I really don't think congress in its official status as the government should go after an individual for what is his right. Its more disturbing when they take the words and inject their own context. I didn't see the rep controlled congress go after dems who said worse things in the proper context about the same soldiers. Kerry called the troops idiots. Murtha called some cold blooded killers, where is his congressional resolution?


What ever happened to the 100 hour/day promise anyway? Did all of it get done a year latter? Or were the dems to busy going after private citizens and passing non-binding resolutions. The dem run congress is just like the UN.

Heh, I like Rush. I don't get to listen too often anymore and when I do there are so many commercials that I generally don't listen for any length of time. I did read his books and think the vast majority of the time he is right on the money. I used to love his TV show!

No surprise they want to shut these guys up. Just like a criminal who wants to shoot the guy before he can call the police.

Really the only thing I hear from the opposition is that he was a drug addict :-O nothing rebutting what he says with ,,,, oh,,,, maybe some facts or truth? heh. Oh, and the brainwashed zombies or something to that effect.

I think this issue might put the nails in the coffin,, or at least we can hope some people will wake the hell up.

quote Originally posted by Red88FF: Really the only thing I hear from the opposition is that he was a drug addict :-O

And this too is part of the hypocracy. This is the party that supposedly promotes tolerance and understanding. Yet even though George Bush hasn't had a drink in 25 year they still call him an alcoholic and Rush' former dependancy problem still makes him a drug addict.

Once again, they are trying to stiffle a debate not create one.

Let's be perfectly clear though. I love bush, I just hate the president.

quote Originally posted by niemann99: Hey, I am a conservative and I don't particualrly like Mr. Limbaugh, but Mr. Reid is just falling in line with the rest of his socialist buddies. You can bet that if a democrat wins the presidency, we'll see socialism like we've never before seen, and the economy, already teetering from the real estate craziness, will take a nose dive, along with a lot of your freedoms. *** Notice that I call them both Mr. - just as I would say Mr. Reid, Mr. Bush or President Bush not Bush, or Reid. Calling someone by just his last name and leaving off titles is an insidious propaganda tool. It's easier to hate "Bush" than it is President Bush or Mr. Bush.*** OT of this thread, but everyone knows that both sides use propaganda. Mr. Limbaugh spouts lots of propaganda. The difference is that conservatives use propaganda to cast themselves and what they believe in a better light. Democrats use propaganda to hide their real agenda. If anyone here has not read the Communist Manifesto, or who do not know what the Socialist International is all about, ( the core organization of the international Socialist Workers Party ) I would urge everyone to get real smart real fast. What they advocate is what is happening in the US today. Be afraid. Be very afraid. Quote from a very famous socialist: To....Socialists, revolution does not mean a movement of the masses with which they hope to associate themselves; it means a set of reforms which 'we', the clever ones, are going to impose upon 'them', the Lower Orders. George Orwell

quote Originally posted by Toddster: Once again, they are trying to stiffle a debate not create one.

Heh, "the debate is over!" Algore

Wasted hundred of thousands of tax payer dollars? They're paid on salary, man. It's not like they asked Hatch to put in any OT.

And Limbaugh was a draft dodger. Just so we're clear on this. And his explination was GARBAGE. I mean, WOW you took Rush's word?

See Original Transcript:

quote LIMBAUGH: There's a lot more than that that they don't understand. They can't even -- if -- the next guy that calls here, I'm gonna ask him: Why should we pull -- what is the imperative for pulling out? What's in it for the United States to pull out? They can't -- I don't think they have an answer for that other than, "Well, we just gotta bring the troops home." CALLER 2: Yeah, and, you know what -- LIMBAUGH: "Save the -- keep the troops safe" or whatever. I -- it's not possible, intellectually, to follow these people. CALLER 2: No, it's not, and what's really funny is, they never talk to real soldiers. They like to pull these soldiers that come up out of the blue and talk to the media. LIMBAUGH: The phony soldiers. CALLER 2: The phony soldiers. If you talk to a real soldier, they are proud to serve. They want to be over in Iraq. They understand their sacrifice, and they're willing to sacrifice for their country. LIMBAUGH: They joined to be in Iraq. They joined -- CALLER 2: A lot of them -- the new kids, yeah. LIMBAUGH: Well, you know where you're going these days, the last four years, if you signed up. The odds are you're going there or Afghanistan or somewhere. CALLER 2: Exactly, sir.

Notice there is no mention of people that were "pretending" to be soldiers. He called US troops phony soldiers.

quote Originally posted by Toddster: I'm really surprised no one has brought this up yet. http://www.nationalledger.c...icle_272616405.shtml Harry reid, the "leader" of the Democrats in the Senate wasted hundreds of thousands of tax payer dollars to ask for a Senate Resolution condemning Rush Limbaugh (a private citizen) for something he didn't even say. OK, Now I KNOW I am going to catch hell for this but I was actaully listening to the Limbaugh show last week and know exactly what he said. I don't usually listen to him but I just happened to be driving to Bakersfield that day and the ONLY radio station I can pick-up in the central valley is a Fresno station that just happened to be broadcasting the Rush Limbaugh show...bring it on. Anyway, He was talking about how disgraceful it is for people who have never served in uniform to go around claiming that they served in Iraq, got wounded, etc. to impress people or somehow justify their hate for the military. He gave an example of these people with some guy who was convicted recently of this exact thing; Jesse something or other. The story broke on the AP wire and Limbaugh picked it up. He called the guy a "Phony Soldier" Which he was. he was never a soldier, he was never in Iraq, he was never wounded in combat. Harry Reid, in a desparate attempt to deflect the slings and arrows being hurrled at him for condoning the General "Betray Us" ad grabbed onto these two words and deliberately misrepresented the context in which they were used to try to claim that Limbaugh was talking about Soldiers who disagree with the war. Reid and his cronies occupied 100 Senators doing the people's work on OUR tax dollars to personally attack a private American Citizen on the floor of Senate. I never heard him ask for a resolution comdeming other private citizens who have actually done something wrong like Martha Stewart or Ted Bundy or Patrick Kennedy. But all of a sudden, he feels this need to not only attack a private citizen but to do so with a deliberate misrepresentation of the man's words. I can think of few abuses of power that outweigh this and I am infuriated. Senator Reid...RESIGN NOW!

quote Originally posted by Jeremiah:

Sorry, I just don't see it. "LIMBAUGH: The phony soldiers." ,,,,"the" not, our troops are, or, they all are or jeebus what the hell are you even talking about! this is about as lame as it gets, but typical.

They are wasting tax dollars by NOT doing their job. Try that with any salary position and you will be out on the street in no time.

As for Rush's comment on Phoney Solider, there is nothing wrong with it. He said nothing to disrepect any of real troops. The soliders the meda digs up are the exceptions.... "phoney solider" if you will.

What does "draft dodging" have to do with this. Rush supports the troops more than those dems. All you have to do is listen to Rush. You may not agree with him, but he is right.

J.

quote Originally posted by Jeremiah: Wasted hundred of thousands of tax payer dollars? They're paid on salary, man. It's not like they asked Hatch to put in any OT. And Limbaugh was a draft dodger. Just so we're clear on this. And his explination was GARBAGE. I mean, WOW you took Rush's word? See Original Transcript:

Transcripts are nice but listen to the actual words and listen for the whole segment so you know it'll be in proper context.

quote Originally posted by Jeremiah: Wasted hundred of thousands of tax payer dollars? They're paid on salary, man. It's not like they asked Hatch to put in any OT. And Limbaugh was a draft dodger. Just so we're clear on this. And his explination was GARBAGE. I mean, WOW you took Rush's word? See Original Transcript:

You're pathetic Jeremiah. I LISTENED TO THE SHOW!

Why don't you put the ENTIRE transcript up? Uhhhh ohhhh, gee uh, I gotta go....

How pitiful to even dare to continue to propagate this grotesque disitortion.

For the rest of you, here is the bit our dilusional friend left out of the transcript:

"CALLER: Exactly, sir. My other comment, my original comment, was a retort to Jill about the fact we didn't find any weapons of mass destruction. Actually, we have found weapons of mass destruction in chemical agents that terrorists have been using against us for a while now. I've done two tours in Iraq, I just got back in June, and there are many instances of insurgents not knowing what they're using in their IEDs. They're using mustard artillery rounds, VX artillery rounds in their IEDs. Because they didn't know what they were using, they didn't do it right, and so it didn't really hurt anybody. But those munitions are over there. It's a huge desert. If they bury it somewhere, we're never going to find it.

RUSH: Well, that's a moot point for me right now.

CALLER: Right.

RUSH: The weapons of mass destruction. We gotta get beyond that. We're there. We all know they were there, and Mahmoud even admitted it in one of his speeches here talking about Saddam using the poison mustard gas or whatever it is on his own people. But that's moot. What's more important is all this is taking place now in the midst of the surge working, and all of these anti-war Democrats are getting even more hell-bent on pulling out of there, which means that success on the part of you and your colleagues over there is a great threat to them. It's frustrating and maddening, and why they must be kept in the minority. I want to thank you, Mike, for calling. I appreciate it very much.

Here is a Morning Update that we did recently, talking about fake soldiers. This is a story of who the left props up as heroes. They have their celebrities and one of them was Army Ranger Jesse MacBeth. Now, he was a "corporal." I say in quotes. Twenty-three years old. What made Jesse MacBeth a hero to the anti-war crowd wasn't his Purple Heart; it wasn't his being affiliated with post-traumatic stress disorder from tours in Afghanistan and Iraq. No. What made Jesse MacBeth, Army Ranger, a hero to the left was his courage, in their view, off the battlefield, without regard to consequences. He told the world the abuses he had witnessed in Iraq, American soldiers killing unarmed civilians, hundreds of men, women, even children. In one gruesome account, translated into Arabic and spread widely across the Internet, Army Ranger Jesse MacBeth describes the horrors this way: "We would burn their bodies. We would hang their bodies from the rafters in the mosque."

Now, recently, Jesse MacBeth, poster boy for the anti-war left, had his day in court. And you know what? He was sentenced to five months in jail and three years probation for falsifying a Department of Veterans Affairs claim and his Army discharge record. He was in the Army. Jesse MacBeth was in the Army, folks, briefly. Forty-four days before he washed out of boot camp. Jesse MacBeth isn't an Army Ranger, never was. He isn't a corporal, never was. He never won the Purple Heart, and he was never in combat to witness the horrors he claimed to have seen. You probably haven't even heard about this. And, if you have, you haven't heard much about it. This doesn't fit the narrative and the template in the Drive-By Media and the Democrat Party as to who is a genuine war hero. Don't look for any retractions, by the way. Not from the anti-war left, the anti-military Drive-By Media, or the Arabic websites that spread Jesse MacBeth's lies about our troops, because the truth for the left is fiction that serves their purpose. They have to lie about such atrocities because they can't find any that fit the template of the way they see the US military. In other words, for the American anti-war left, the greatest inconvenience they face is the truth."

Once again we see the left's unashamed willingness to suspend reality and twist the truth.

pitiful

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Ahaha you didn't listen to the show. You listened to Rush's rebuttal to Reid, who rightfully called him a douche for calling US soldiers phony if they criticize the war. And now you're putting up this garbage about Jesse McBeth as if that's what Rush was talking about. Bwahahaha. Jessee McBeth wasn't even mentioned in the conversation for another 2 minutes after Rush made the phony soldiers remark. He made a crass mean spirited remark (OMG?!) about people who criticize Bush. In the military. Just like you did with your "You're pathetic Jeremiah" quip, which once again is missing a coma.

quote Originally posted by Toddster: You're pathetic Jeremiah. I LISTENED TO THE SHOW! Why don't you put the ENTIRE transcript up? Uhhhh ohhhh, gee uh, I gotta go.... How pitiful to even dare to continue to propagate this grotesque disitortion. For the rest of you, here is the bit our dilusional friend left out of the transcript: "CALLER: Exactly, sir. My other comment, my original comment, was a retort to Jill about the fact we didn't find any weapons of mass destruction. Actually, we have found weapons of mass destruction in chemical agents that terrorists have been using against us for a while now. I've done two tours in Iraq, I just got back in June, and there are many instances of insurgents not knowing what they're using in their IEDs. They're using mustard artillery rounds, VX artillery rounds in their IEDs. Because they didn't know what they were using, they didn't do it right, and so it didn't really hurt anybody. But those munitions are over there. It's a huge desert. If they bury it somewhere, we're never going to find it. RUSH: Well, that's a moot point for me right now. CALLER: Right. RUSH: The weapons of mass destruction. We gotta get beyond that. We're there. We all know they were there, and Mahmoud even admitted it in one of his speeches here talking about Saddam using the poison mustard gas or whatever it is on his own people. But that's moot. What's more important is all this is taking place now in the midst of the surge working, and all of these anti-war Democrats are getting even more hell-bent on pulling out of there, which means that success on the part of you and your colleagues over there is a great threat to them. It's frustrating and maddening, and why they must be kept in the minority. I want to thank you, Mike, for calling. I appreciate it very much. Here is a Morning Update that we did recently, talking about fake soldiers. This is a story of who the left props up as heroes. They have their celebrities and one of them was Army Ranger Jesse MacBeth. Now, he was a "corporal." I say in quotes. Twenty-three years old. What made Jesse MacBeth a hero to the anti-war crowd wasn't his Purple Heart; it wasn't his being affiliated with post-traumatic stress disorder from tours in Afghanistan and Iraq. No. What made Jesse MacBeth, Army Ranger, a hero to the left was his courage, in their view, off the battlefield, without regard to consequences. He told the world the abuses he had witnessed in Iraq, American soldiers killing unarmed civilians, hundreds of men, women, even children. In one gruesome account, translated into Arabic and spread widely across the Internet, Army Ranger Jesse MacBeth describes the horrors this way: "We would burn their bodies. We would hang their bodies from the rafters in the mosque." Now, recently, Jesse MacBeth, poster boy for the anti-war left, had his day in court. And you know what? He was sentenced to five months in jail and three years probation for falsifying a Department of Veterans Affairs claim and his Army discharge record. He was in the Army. Jesse MacBeth was in the Army, folks, briefly. Forty-four days before he washed out of boot camp. Jesse MacBeth isn't an Army Ranger, never was. He isn't a corporal, never was. He never won the Purple Heart, and he was never in combat to witness the horrors he claimed to have seen. You probably haven't even heard about this. And, if you have, you haven't heard much about it. This doesn't fit the narrative and the template in the Drive-By Media and the Democrat Party as to who is a genuine war hero. Don't look for any retractions, by the way. Not from the anti-war left, the anti-military Drive-By Media, or the Arabic websites that spread Jesse MacBeth's lies about our troops, because the truth for the left is fiction that serves their purpose. They have to lie about such atrocities because they can't find any that fit the template of the way they see the US military. In other words, for the American anti-war left, the greatest inconvenience they face is the truth." Once again we see the left's unashamed willingness to suspend reality and twist the truth. pitiful

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Jeremiah, you're taking things out of context. What Mr. Limbaugh calls "phoney soldiers" are in fact people who are NOT soldiers, but pretend to be during demonstrations. Yes, there are people who do that. It's pretty pathetic.

But your mind is probably set. I won't waste any time trying to change it. So I pose you this question: do you think the US Senate has the right to restrict an American citizen's freedom of speech?

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No. They were doing their job. They passed a resolution you don't like, it doesn't mean they weren't doing their job. (Now, all this being said, I don't much see the value in doing it, but that's not the point either. And not serving when you're drafted because you have a boil on your ass is unforgivable. Sorry. If I were drafted, I would go. No discussion about it; and I personally hate the war. But my hate for the war would have nothing to do with serving my country. Nor would abject laziness by making up boils on buttocks to get out of it.)

quote Originally posted by jaskispyder: They are wasting tax dollars by NOT doing their job. Try that with any salary position and you will be out on the street in no time. As for Rush's comment on Phoney Solider, there is nothing wrong with it. He said nothing to disrepect any of real troops. The soliders the meda digs up are the exceptions.... "phoney solider" if you will. What does "draft dodging" have to do with this. Rush supports the troops more than those dems. All you have to do is listen to Rush. You may not agree with him, but he is right. J.

quote Originally posted by Jeremiah: No. They were doing their job. They passed a resolution you don't like, it doesn't mean they weren't doing their job.

Actually thats not their job to pass non-binding resolutions against private citizens. And since thats not their job while they were doing that they weren't doing their job.

quote Originally posted by Jeremiah: Ahaha you didn't listen to the show. You listened to Rush's rebuttal to Reid, who rightfully called him a douche for calling US soldiers phony if they criticize the war. And now you're putting up this garbage about Jesse McBeth as if that's what Rush was talking about. Bwahahaha. Jessee McBeth wasn't even mentioned in the conversation for another 2 minutes after Rush made the phony soldiers remark. He made a crass mean spirited remark (OMG?!) about people who criticize Bush. In the military. Just like you did with your "You're pathetic Jeremiah" quip, which once again is missing a coma.

I did listen to the show, McBeth was the topic that Mr. Limbaugh told the listeners in the beginning he was going to discuss. (Among a few other things.) If you didn't listen to the show, you're obviously taking Senator Reid's word for what was said. I listened to the show. Rush Limbaugh is the Democratic Parties worst nightmare. Personally, I think he's full of himself on many things but, he is an entertainer and he gets paid to do what he does. His comments have been taken totally out of context stretched beyond recognition of the original statements. If you would listen to the show with an open mind, you'd agree. I'm not suggesting you'll ever love him but following the Senator along his trail of terror to quiet the opposition is pure BS.
Honestly, I yearn for the day when politicians are held responsible for what they do and say. Senator Reid is trying to get Mr. Limbaugh's show removed from Armed Forces Radio, huge mistake. The military likes his show. Sec. of Defense Les Aspin (a Democrat) authorized the one hour show after a survey of the troops to see what they wanted to listen to. Rush Limbaugh's show was not even one of the choices offered but won on a write in campaign by the military men and women serving. I sincerely hope the Senator's plan backfires on him. We as voter's seem to have short memories. I'm sure someone will remind the Senator at re-election time. Whether you like Mr. Limbaugh or not, he has a right to say what he wants, just like you and I do. But, he also has a right to not be slandered and misquoted which is exactly what is being done now. Senator John Murtha is another that hopefully will be held accountable for his slanderous remarks. This is a very sad moment in our nations history.


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Never, never do anything or wear things that you don't want to have to explain to Paramedics, it can get very embarrassing. They talk!

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quote Originally posted by Jeremiah: Ahaha you didn't listen to the show.

Ehem, not paying attention again kid? Read the opening post of this thread. I listened to the show on a trip to Bakersfield two weeks ago. Heard every word. And it matches with Limbaugh's transcript, NOT your edited one.

quote You listened to Rush's rebuttal to Reid,

Wrong, I haven't heard a word from Limbaugh since then because his show is on in the morning while I am working. Strike two.

quote who rightfully called him a douche for calling US soldiers phony if they criticize the war. And now you're putting up this garbage about Jesse McBeth as if that's what Rush was talking about. Bwahahaha. Jessee McBeth wasn't even mentioned in the conversation for another 2 minutes after Rush made the phony soldiers remark. He made a crass mean spirited remark (OMG?!) about people who criticize Bush. In the military. Just like you did with your "You're pathetic Jeremiah" quip, which once again is missing a coma.

Sheeple at it's worst. Give them the facts in BLACK AND WHITE and they will still find a way to beleive whatever they want to beleive.

Ask yourself this, If Rush hates the troops so much why is he the single most requested radio show on Armed Forces Radio? Limbaugh has been to Iraq several times at the invitation of the military. He has fought for 20 years or so for better armour, better vests, more sophisticated weaponry, better health care for vets, etc. So how is it that this guy who guys like you called a chicken hawk for decades is all of a sudden anti-military. Does the unbridaled idiocy of your own statements even register in your brain before it comes out of your mouth?

Oh, and he wasn't a draft dodger, he had a medical deferment like thousands of other men. Funny how all of a sudden this matters but when the subject of Clinton's deferment comes up you can't shut up fast enough. Hmmm, I'm thinking of a word...hipo-potimus? Not that isn't it...hypo-thermia? nahhhh....It'll come to me.

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I like listening to Rush. He's good entertainment.

Just .02 cents from an American Vet

Nope, I'm not taking it out of context. Limbaugh clearly called them phony soldiers and then compared McBeth to them. How that's not obvious, I'll never know.

But no, you're absolutely right. The senate shouldn't be condemning people for saying what they want. No matter how BS it is. No one bothered to ask me my opinion on it, but I think it's stupid to censor people like that. I thought it was stupid to do it to Moveon.org too.

quote Originally posted by Blacktree: Jeremiah, you're taking things out of context. What Mr. Limbaugh calls "phoney soldiers" are in fact people who are NOT soldiers, but pretend to be during demonstrations. Yes, there are people who do that. It's pretty pathetic. But your mind is probably set. I won't waste any time trying to change it. So I pose you this question: do you think the US Senate has the right to restrict an American citizen's freedom of speech?

quote Originally posted by Jeremiah: Nope, I'm not taking it out of context. Limbaugh clearly called them phony soldiers and then compared McBeth to them. How that's not obvious, I'll never know.

Ummmmm because you didn't actually listen to the whole thing.

quote Originally posted by Toddster: Bill once again you contradict yourself. You say on one post "You are for dicing up the freedom of speech.... and no... I'm not for that AT ALL never will be " (which is wrong BTW, in case you have had one to many tokes today I am the one who started this thread about protecting free speech). Then you let loose with this gem above? So which is is Bill? Do you acknowledge the power of the state to limit what you say with sanctions or not? Phelps basically yelled fire in a crowded theater and was "fined". So why do you decry the law that you yourself say is OK? As for the specific issue of Rush, this story gets worse. Apparently Democratic Sentors are now beginning an "investigation" (their own words) into the radio broadcasts of Rush Limbaugh, Shaun Hannity, and Mark Levin. Of rush specifically, Henry Waxman's aide says he wants to "silence him". Pelosi, Durbin, Reid, Shumer, and Waxman all signed off on the program to silence Rush and these other talk show hosts with a mass mailing campaign. http://radioequalizer.blogs...-campaign-henry.html The hypocrisy is staggering! This has gone beyond bad taste or just bad politics. These people want to suspend the 1st amendment and they are PROUD to say so!!!

No Todd.

quote Originally posted by Toddster: How pitiful to even dare to continue to propagate this grotesque disitortion.

Says the master of distortion.

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quote Originally posted by 84Bill: Says the master of distortion.

Hey, I just asked the obvious question. If you can't reconcile your two statements then I'd say it's pretty darned clear who is distorted.

ANYWAY, depite some people's attemtp to turn this into a Limbaugh bash fest this is about Senatorial Power. Hence, Limbaugh was taken out of context on purpose to score some sort of political points. Let's forget the fact that it is backfiring badly on the dems who are just about to see their approval ratings drop to single digits. Let's ask where the Senate Resolutions are for these private citizens comments:

1) "America is dumb, it's like a dumb puppy that has big teeth that can bite and hurt you, aggressive," - Johnny Depp

2) America is "a stupid country with stupid people" - Bill Maher

3) "Ten thousand strong of voice... It has been my observation that this kind of invective speech is common, not only in Iran but in the Arab states as well. According to many with whom I spoke, it had always been clear from the Iranian point of view, that the call is related to American foreign policy and does not intend to target the death of the American people." - Sean Penn (2005 winner of the Leni Liefenstahl Award, goaded the crowd to join the chanting calls for 'Death to Israel!', 'Death to America') DEATH TO AMERICA?????

4) “One of the main purveyors of violence in this world has been this country.” - Danny Glover

quote Originally posted by Jeremiah: But no, you're absolutely right. The senate shouldn't be condemning people for saying what they want. No matter how BS it is. No one bothered to ask me my opinion on it, but I think it's stupid to censor people like that. I thought it was stupid to do it to Moveon.org too.

Well, I see we agree on something.

quote Originally posted by Blacktree: Well, I see we agree on something.

Shock! Me too!

Only I don't see the comparison between the MoveOn.org ad and the Limbaugh attack. Even though the Senate has better things to do than address either of these issues. But with the MoveOn situation the Senate Resolution was an attempt to come to the defense of the reputation of an American Hero with a Bronze Star, Dintinguished Service Medal, Legion of Merit, and a whole lot of clusters.

The Resolution condeming Limbaugh was Reid's attempt to do the exact opposite and smear and American Citizen.

No real comparison.

quote Originally posted by Toddster: Hey, I just asked the obvious question. If you can't reconcile your two statements then I'd say it's pretty darned clear who is distorted.

What is the contradiction I am being accused of?

quote ANYWAY, depite some people's attemtp to turn this into a Limbaugh bash fest this is about Senatorial Power. Hence, Limbaugh was taken out of context on purpose to score some sort of political points. Let's forget the fact that it is backfiring badly on the dems who are just about to see their approval ratings drop to single digits. Let's ask where the Senate Resolutions are for these private citizens comments: 1) "America is dumb, it's like a dumb puppy that has big teeth that can bite and hurt you, aggressive," - Johnny Depp 2) America is "a stupid country with stupid people" - Bill Maher 3) "Ten thousand strong of voice... It has been my observation that this kind of invective speech is common, not only in Iran but in the Arab states as well. According to many with whom I spoke, it had always been clear from the Iranian point of view, that the call is related to American foreign policy and does not intend to target the death of the American people." - Sean Penn (2005 winner of the Leni Liefenstahl Award, goaded the crowd to join the chanting calls for 'Death to Israel!', 'Death to America') DEATH TO AMERICA????? 4) “One of the main purveyors of violence in this world has been this country.” - Danny Glover

Uhh What?

For christ sakes Todd don't inhale so damn much.

quote Originally posted by Phranc: Actually thats not their job to pass non-binding resolutions against private citizens. And since thats not their job while they were doing that they weren't doing their job.

well, it IS a part of the job description, to pass non-binding resolutions, but you are right, it IS a big waste of time. It should not have been done to Moveon.Org, and it should not have been done to Rush Limbaugh: (possibly) rehabilitated drug addict.

BTW once a drug addict, always a drug addict; just a question of rehabilitated or not.

And for the record, if you had an alcohol abuse problem in the past, you are an alcoholic. If you have attended AA meetings and no longer drink, you are a reformed alcoholic. If you never went through any kind of treatment, and just quit cold-turkey, you are a dry-drunk. Dry-drunks tend to have the same problems as non-reformed alcoholics, since the underlying problems have never been addressed. Remind me again: has Dubya ever attended even ONE AA meeting? No? Dry-drunk.

quote Originally posted by ktthecarguy: BTW once a drug addict, always a drug addict; just a question of rehabilitated or not. And for the record, if you had an alcohol abuse problem in the past, you are an alcoholic. If you have attended AA meetings and no longer drink, you are a reformed alcoholic. If you never went through any kind of treatment, and just quit cold-turkey, you are a dry-drunk. Dry-drunks tend to have the same problems as non-reformed alcoholics, since the underlying problems have never been addressed. Remind me again: has Dubya ever attended even ONE AA meeting? No? Dry-drunk.

And that makes anything said by one of these you have labeled untrue in what way?

Don't listen to him, he has a blue hat.

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quote Originally posted by ktthecarguy: well, it IS a part of the job description, to pass non-binding resolutions, but you are right, it IS a big waste of time. It should not have been done to Moveon.Org, and it should not have been done to Rush Limbaugh.

So you think that condemning an American citizen's First Amendment rights is part of the Senate's job description?