Aaaah!! I don't really need an answer now, do I? Your standing seems to have diminished rather rapidly over the last few minutes!! That is not surprising, really. Nick
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lurker Member
Posts: 12355 From: salisbury nc usa Registered: Feb 2002
well, that was quick. 50 ratings, banned. he's been shut up, and his unpleasant message can be safely ignored. happy now? proud of yourselves? a little sensitive, maybe?
edit maybe he was a troll. his posting pattern and profile suggest that. he was outspoken and took controversial positions, especially in political threads. but his insults were tame, and we have plenty of regulars who routinely start threads to stir the pot. as for the post that started the thread, i ask: what ethnic group (according to stereotype) lives in "ghettos" (see thread title) and speaks "ebonics" (next to last line of post)? does anyone really think this could be directed at WASPs, japanese or irish? /edit
legacy of slavery? this thread is all about the legacy of slavery. this whole ghetto-culture/ pants-around-the-knees/ couldnt speak proper english to save their lives thing is all about the legacy of slavery. and so is the vehement denial.
when the yankee shipowners and merchants brought slaves and sold them to southern farmers, they helped create a culture of dependency. "we" tell you what to do, feed you (poorly), house you (poorly), educate you (poorly) and manage your rewards and punishment. if you dont like it, "we" break up your families, sell you, beat you, kill you. after slavery was abolished, (and it took a war to do it) love and equality did not break out. landowners did their best to restore the status quo. Reconstruction tried and failed abysmally to resolve the problem. many freedmen, realizing their chances of actually owning land to farm and voting were slim, migrated to the cities, where they encountered a different flavor of discrimination. not better or worse, just different. socially isolated, theyve formed their own "culture", and oddly enough people of other races have adopted it. but it's still largely a culture of dependency. one that still survives, and lots of people here like to moan about it, often the same ones we see posting ghetto slang above. it's not whips and chains any more, it's second class education, job prospects, housing. yes, it's illegal, and yes, it still happens. i see many instances of racial (and other forms of) discrimination right here, today, on this forum.
am i defending the culture of dependency, the abuse of responsibility, language, near-nonexistet family structure, lack of self-respect? no, i loathe it. but i also see where it came from. and while none of us here created the situation, as long as we laugh condescendingly at it, tolerate it, much less encourage it, we are part of the problem.
dont like what i have to say? vote me off the island too. right now ive got 156 ratings, shouldnt take more than 200-300 negs to do the job. enjoy your homogeneity of thought.
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avengador1 Member
Posts: 35468 From: Orlando, Florida Registered: Oct 2001
I thought the joke in the first post was very clever. Why? Because it nowhere mentions Leroy's color or race. The fact that some of you immediately assume it's a racial post only brings your own racial stereotyping to light (as someone else mentioned). Which makes the joke only cleverer.
I admit I immediately had a mental image of "Leroy" too. Although in my mind he wasn't black, but a Latino (since I recently saw a movie about a Latino gang where they all talked like that).
Anyway, you can turn any post into anything you like. You could turn the joke into racism. Let me take it one step further:
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Originally posted by Unrivaled:
Nothing new here, seems like more of the same old spewing of hate dressed up in phony comedic garb. It probably originated from a kkk, nazi, skinhead or other white supremist group's website.
Like I said, my opinion is that the first joke was pretty smart. It's not easy to think up lines like that. So in my opinion you think the kkk, nazis and skinheads are smart people. So you must be the real racist here since I think these people probably can't even spell their own name right.
See how easy it is? You see, most jokes are just meant to be fun and nothing more. Most jokes, not all. No hidden agenda, no racial slur, nothing.
Here, let me give you some more to get angry about. I laughed at all these jokes:
An old jew is dying and is at his deathbed calling to his family. "Sarah, my wife... Are You Here ?", he asks. "I'm here my love", she replies. "Judith, My daugther... Are You Here ?", he asks. "I'm here father", she replies. "David, my son... Are You Here ?", he asks. "I'm here father", he replies. Then old Jew asks: "Then who in the hell is minding the store ?"
What's the shortest book in history? "100 years of German humor".
A Texan farmer goes to Australia for a vacation. There he meets an Aussie farmer and gets talking. The Aussie shows off his big wheat field and the Texan says, "Oh! We have wheat fields that are at least twice as large." Then they walk around the ranch a little, and the Aussie shows off his herd of cattle. The Texan immediately says, "We have longhorns that are at least twice as large as your cows." The conversation has, meanwhile, almost died when the Texan sees a herd of kangaroos hopping through the field. He asks, "And what are those?" The Aussie replies with an incredulous look, "Don't you have any grasshoppers in Texas?"
An Amish lady is trotting down the road in her horse and buggy when she is pulled over by a cop. "Ma'am, I'm not going to ticket you, but I do have to issue you a warning. You have a broken reflector on your buggy". "Oh," says Sarah, "I'll let my husband, Jacob, know as soon as I get home". "That's fine" replied the cop. "Another thing, ma'am. I don't like the way that one rein loops across the horse's back and around one of his balls. I consider that animal abuse. That's cruelty to animals. Have your husband take care of that right away too!". Later that day, the lady is home telling her husband about her encounter with the cop. "Well, dear, what exactly did he say?" Asked the husband. "He said the reflector is broken." "I can fix that in two minutes. What else?" "I'm not sure, Jacob, something about the emergency brake."
Six observations about Belgians: 1. You get to speak three languages, but none of them intelligibly. 2. If other countries want to fight a war, they will do it in your country. 3. You are: a) like the Dutch, just less efficient. b) like the French, just less romantic 4. No one knows anything about you, except for the Dutch and French and they make fun of you. 5. All your famous countrymen are either imaginary, or sex-offenders 6. Face it. It's not really a country, is it?
Ten observations about the Dutch: 1. You can get arrested for growing plants, but not for smoking them. 2. You can make jokes about the Belgians and still drink their beer. 3. a) You can legally kill yourself, b) You can legally be killed 4. You're exactly like the Germans, except that nobody hates you. 5. You think you are a world power, but everyone else thinks Copenhagen is your capital... 6. You get to insult people and defend yourself by saying it's a national tradition. 7. You can put your finger in a dyke and it will save your country 8. You live in the most densely populated country in Europe, and still you've never seen your neighbours. 9. If the economy is bad, blame the Germans. If a war is started, blame the Germans. If you lose your keys, blame the Germans. 10. Bikes are public property. Locks are a challenge.
Learn Chinese: Are you harboring a fugitive? - Hu Yu Hai Ding? See me A.S.A.P. - Kum Hia Nao Stupid Man - Sum Dum Gai Small Horse - Tai Ni Po Ni Your price is too high - No Bai Dam Ting Did you go to the beach - Wai Yu So Tan I bumped into a coffee table - Ai Bang Mai Ni I think you need a facelift - Chin Tu Fat It's very dark here - Wai So Dim Has your flight been delayed - Hao Long Wei Ting I thought you were on a diet - Wai Yu Mun Chin This is a tow away zone - No Pah King You are not very bright - Yu So Dum I got this for free - Ai No Pei I am not guilty - Wai Hang Mi Please, stay a while longer - Wai Go Nao Our meeting was scheduled for next week - Wai Yu Kum Nao They have arrived - Hia Dei Kum Stay out of sight - Lei Lo He's cleaning his automobile - Wa Shing Ka
Some of you must really hate me now because I laughed at all these jokes!
Thanks bobadoofunk!!! Yes, I own page errr...three!!! You know, what makes me crack up is the way kids scream about having to wear a school uniform, because they lose their ' identity', and then they all wear the same thing when not in school!!! But..it has always been that way, hasn't it?? Nick
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BobadooFunk Member
Posts: 5436 From: Pittsburgh PA Registered: Jun 2003
Thanks bobadoofunk!!! Yes, I own page errr...three!!! You know, what makes me crack up is the way kids scream about having to wear a school uniform, because they lose their ' identity', and then they all wear the same thing when not in school!!! But..it has always been that way, hasn't it?? Nick
now thaaaat i might argue, i dont think there is anyone who dresses like me.... i waer like 60 yr old guys golf pants... weird azz shirts... always have a dif colored hair.. mismatched sox... and Neon Green Converse... and i almost always wear BRIGHT colors (which have been scientifically proven to increase endorphin production, thus making me a happier person as well as the people surrounding me.) (but i do see what you mean )
You know, everybody has their own opinions and is certainly entitled to have them. I’m not going to draw a judgment on the merits of the kind of humor contained in this thread. Enough has been said already. Obviously it pushed one of Unrivaled’s buttons.
I am not going to comment on the rating system although I was a little surprised how quickly he was banned. I guess my question is, why was he here on the forum to begin with? He started a few threads in the Technical and General sections, asking a couple basic, general questions that lead me to believe that he was a newbie to Fieros and to auto mechanics. I don’t recall him ever talking about his own car however, or posting a picture or anything. That’s ok but this is a car forum you know.
Most of his posts were in the Off-topic section and usually revolved around the sensitive political issues. He seemed to delight in getting everyone all stirred up. I don’t recall him ever making a positive contribution. No posts of tech tips or ideas, No personal involvement, He didn’t appear interested in getting to know his fellow members and never offered any insight into his own life. As a matter of fact, I don’t recall a single kind word that he ever offered to anybody. He sure liked to complain, whine and blame the other guy, chastising anyone that didn’t agree with him. Never offered solutions, just complaints. In general, I found his attitude & comments abrasive & destructive rather than constructive. I apologize if I missed something positive that he may have posted but it sure makes me wonder why he wanted to be here in the first place.
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Nov 2nd, 2005
fierobear Member
Posts: 27104 From: Safe in the Carolinas Registered: Aug 2000
He seemed to delight in getting everyone all stirred up.
I don’t recall him ever making a positive contribution.
As a matter of fact, I don’t recall a single kind word that he ever offered to anybody.
He sure liked to complain, whine and blame the other guy, chastising anyone that didn’t agree with him.his attitude & comments abrasive & destructive rather than constructive.
I apologize if I missed something positive that he may have posted but it sure makes me wonder why he wanted to be here in the first place.
No, I think you covered it very well.
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