I saw this thread and said to myself stay out of it, so I am going to for the most part... so today is the first day that I have bothered reading it. Here is my observation/opinion.

By reading some of this stuff, I can see that some people on this board have no clue at all. If it is good enough to spout on the internet, then it should be good enough for every day use no matter what your company might be, right? Unrivaled... do not beat your head against a wall trying to get others to think along your lines or even understand your view... it is futile, and too many already have their defense suits on.... including you

To each his/her own is the way I think about it. But on a different note, I get to know a little more about some people than realized... first impressions are lasting ones.

Lastly, if you think this stuff is funny, then try using some of it in mixed company... you know the next time there are a few minorities in your midst.

quote Originally posted by topcat: Lastly, if you think this stuff is funny, then try using some of it in mixed company... you know the next time there are a few minorities in your midst.

I don't advocate hurting the feelings of minorities. However, consider this - perhaps our society has gotten to the point that we take ourselves WAY too seriously.

quote Originally posted by topcat: I saw this thread and said to myself stay out of it, so I am going to for the most part... so today is the first day that I have bothered reading it. Here is my observation/opinion. By reading some of this stuff, I can see that some people on this board have no clue at all. If it is good enough to spout on the internet, then it should be good enough for every day use no matter what your company might be, right? Unrivaled... do not beat your head against a wall trying to get others to think along your lines or even understand your view... it is futile, and too many already have their defense suits on.... including you To each his/her own is the way I think about it. But on a different note, I get to know a little more about some people than realized... first impressions are lasting ones. Lastly, if you think this stuff is funny, then try using some of it in mixed company... you know the next time there are a few minorities in your midst.

I'm not concerned about converting anyone. However, there are somethings so ridiculous they must be confronted. I would also love to see these posters make those questionable comments with racial overtones at a Fiero meet with minorities in attendance.

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quote Originally posted by fierobear: I don't advocate hurting the feelings of minorities. However, consider this - perhaps our society has gotten to the point that we take ourselves WAY too seriously.

Probably, but I'd say that until we as a society are at a point where we've matured to the point that no one cares that you are on thin ice when you laugh at it without having experienced it first hand.

I doubt we will get there as long as there are hate groups that love to hear this type stuff.

quote Originally posted by BobadooFunk: rr... what im about to post will def. give me a neg or two..BUT!!! Unrivaled, where do you live? Space? i would say 70% of the blacks i see talk like that!!! (and at least 40% of whites too...) i grew up in Buffalo NY and im now down south at college...and its 10x worse here.... and 2nd of all F-I-E-R-O was refering to GORDO as his "Nigga" OOOooo did i just shock you? well reality flash, who says that word more than anyone???? now ive had some discussions w/ friends and it seems ending with an "a" and used in friendly context is ok... but "er" with derragatory context is a no no. everyone has to be able to laugh at themselves. its like a fat comedian who jokes on his weight.... i respect them. You gonna yell at him for making fun of fat people?? have you ever watched BET??? some of the comedians on there rip on blacks AND whites... no one calls them out... its all a double standard, so stop hipocracy and we will all get along. whew, end.

I just gave you a + to counter any -'s.

quote Originally posted by topcat: Probably, but I'd say that until we as a society are at a point where we've matured to the point that no one cares that you are on thin ice when you laugh at it without having experienced it first hand.

Actually, I have. I am half Polish, and in the 70s, Polish jokes were the "in thing". I was in Junior High, which is a time that you are developing an identity as a person, and it sure didn't help hearing those jokes. Yeah, I know, it's not the same thing as being black, but it's not completely different either. I KNOW how it feels for someone to make fun of your ethnicity.

quote Originally posted by fierobear: I don't advocate hurting the feelings of minorities. However, consider this - perhaps our society has gotten to the point that we take ourselves WAY too seriously.

Yourself included, I'm sure.
Is it just me, or does the above post from Fierobear seem to contradict the post I've quoted here?
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Reading many of the threads on the Forum remind me of the lyrics to the Hokey Pokey, and this is one of them.

http://www.brave.com/bo/lyrics/hokeypok.htm

I have no topic unchecked and read ‘em all, by choice. When reading them, I attempt to do my best to practice a level of tolerance. I do so to the best of my ability. That ability is based solely on my perception of who I am in relation to my perception of who you are. I use the term “you” in a generic form, not wishing to point a finger at anyone in particular (but will admit that Unrivaled is my inspiration). I use the term “I” in relation to “it’s all about me”.

If I allowed myself to rely “solely” on the written word, without benefit of voice inflection or body language, I would most certainly find myself unable to practice that tolerance. Like a sponge, I absorb it all, but have (albeit consciously) chosen how much to “wring out”.

Some of “us” choose to use humor as a means of expression. Humor has even been described as another of the five senses we Homo sapiens possess. i.e.: as in having a “sense of humor”.

Another example: My husband just brought a piston from a blown engine he’s tearing down to salvage what he can from it into the house. He “did not pass go”, but went directly to the sink to collect the soap and water. (Groan) He also said, “I’ve got a new paperweight for my desk”.

I really found myself “LMAO” (internet term) when he said, “Nothing turns a woman on like a mixture of blood and grease. It works for Bruce Willis every time.” He’d cut his hand on his wedding band, which I’ve asked him not to wear when he’s working in the garage. He sometimes refers to me as a self-appointed safety officer. His statements were his way of communicating to me that he recognizes that I care about him, but probably worry too much and focus on what might be deemed as the wrong things. The only way I could possibly truly know what he was communicating was based on a “real life” factor of knowing him and the use of his “sense of humor” as a means of communication. If taken in an out-of-context form, quoting him could be misconstrued to represent any number of various “points of view”.

I have found that it is truly impossible to not offend someone, when attempting to speak out on behalf of myself. I have also come to recognize, learn, and accept, that it's okay if my sense of humorr is misinterpreted.

~Ellen

quote Originally posted by fierobear: Actually, I have. I am half Polish, and in the 70s, Polish jokes were the "in thing". I was in Junior High, which is a time that you are developing an identity as a person, and it sure didn't help hearing those jokes. Yeah, I know, it's not the same thing as being black, but it's not completely different either. I KNOW how it feels for someone to make fun of your ethnicity.

There is no comparison unless your ancestors were brought to America and put into government sanctioned slavery, and had laws written by the municipal, state and federal governments to keep them disenfranchised. Of course there is more more to add but you should get the picture. BTW Is it easier to tell if a person is Black or Polish therefore making it easier to identify and discriminate against them?

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quote Originally posted by Unrivaled: There is no comparison unless your ancestors were brought to America and put into government sanctioned slavery, and had laws written by the municipal, state and federal governments to keep them disenfranchised. Of course there is more more to add but you should get the picture. BTW Is it easier to tell if a person is Black or Polish therefore making it easier to identify and discriminate against them?

I would have thought that the majority of that generation has long since departed from this World, and strangely enough, it would appear that it is the younger generations, who were born and raised in what is now their native land, and have no real axe to grind about their forebears' enforced slavery, who are doing all the complaining about "discrimination",. They have had several generations during which to aclimatise themselves to the world they live in, and progress by bettering themselves.Many choose to not try to be like their peers who have descended from the original immigrants. Instead, they choose to remain "immigrants", and go out of their way to be different, in dress, speech, attitude and behaviour.Therefore, they tend to excaserbate the problem, instead of solving it, by making their 'difference' more and more apparent, and emphasising it to a greater degree. You will probably find the ones who have done well, and are appreciated in Society, are the ones who adopted the ways of their fellow citizens, and thereby gain respect.Yet they have not lost their origins.They just don't use them as an excuse to complain about how they are treated.
I don't live in the US, but it is the same the World over.Respect is earned, and therefore valued.Do nothing to earn respect, you won't be respected.
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quote Originally posted by fierofetish: I would have thought that the majority of that generation has long since departed from this World, and strangely enough, it would appear that it is the younger generations, who were born and raised in what is now their native land, and have no real axe to grind about their forebears' enforced slavery, who are doing all the complaining about "discrimination",. They have had several generations during which to aclimatise themselves to the world they live in, and progress by bettering themselves.Many choose to not try to be like their peers who have descended from the original immigrants. Instead, they choose to remain "immigrants", and go out of their way to be different, in dress, speech, attitude and behaviour.Therefore, they tend to excaserbate the problem, instead of solving it, by making their 'difference' more and more apparent, and emphasising it to a greater degree. You will probably find the ones who have done well, and are appreciated in Society, are the ones who adopted the ways of their fellow citizens, and thereby gain respect.Yet they have not lost their origins.They just don't use them as an excuse to complain about how they are treated. I don't live in the US, but it is the same the World over.Respect is earned, and therefore valued.Do nothing to earn respect, you won't be respected. Nick

Yup.
Mucho gusto, amigo.
Well said, sir.
No matter where you go, there you are.

quote Originally posted by Unrivaled: There is no comparison unless your ancestors were brought to America and put into government sanctioned slavery, and had laws written by the municipal, state and federal governments to keep them disenfranchised. Of course there is more more to add but you should get the picture. BTW Is it easier to tell if a person is Black or Polish therefore making it easier to identify and discriminate against them?

So I guess that means we should stop doing business with Germany, the Japanees, the Koreans, the Russians, the Vietnamese, the British for their attrocities against us?... How long do we expect to have to pay for mistakes of the past? Should we still persicute Jews for what happened to Jesus? When do we and anyone else start holding them accountable? You might want to read a little about the hsitory of black slaves, after doing so, I doubt that there will be many people left here who you would want to associate with because their ancestors participated in something that was acceptable to a point at sometime or other. People like to single out the US because we're the big kid on the block, but when's the last time you heard anything about the Portagues, Europeans, black kings, arabs, muslims... Quit crying over the past, learn form it, but don't get caught up in things that other people did in another time. Today, the best way to get along is to realize our individual strengths and weaknesses and to celebrate to differences. Besides, unless you're trying to lose weight, it takes a lot more effort to frown than to smile.

Please Read: http://www.scaruffi.com/politics/slavetra.html

quote Originally posted by Unrivaled: There is no comparison unless your ancestors were brought to America and put into government sanctioned slavery, and had laws written by the municipal, state and federal governments to keep them disenfranchised. Of course there is more more to add but you should get the picture. BTW Is it easier to tell if a person is Black or Polish therefore making it easier to identify and discriminate against them?

Again, I made it very clear that it wasn't an even comparison.

The fact is, it still hurt. I would expect you, who criticizes conservatives for alleged insensitivity, to understand. I guess I expected too much of you.

quote Originally posted by fierofetish: I would have thought that the majority of that generation has long since departed from this World, and strangely enough, it would appear that it is the younger generations, who were born and raised in what is now their native land, and have no real axe to grind about their forebears' enforced slavery, who are doing all the complaining about "discrimination",. They have had several generations during which to aclimatise themselves to the world they live in, and progress by bettering themselves.Many choose to not try to be like their peers who have descended from the original immigrants. Instead, they choose to remain "immigrants", and go out of their way to be different, in dress, speech, attitude and behaviour.Therefore, they tend to excaserbate the problem, instead of solving it, by making their 'difference' more and more apparent, and emphasising it to a greater degree. You will probably find the ones who have done well, and are appreciated in Society, are the ones who adopted the ways of their fellow citizens, and thereby gain respect.Yet they have not lost their origins.They just don't use them as an excuse to complain about how they are treated. I don't live in the US, but it is the same the World over.Respect is earned, and therefore valued.Do nothing to earn respect, you won't be respected. Nick

The problem with your post is it assumes past wrongs have been corrected and now things are fair and equal. I assure you that is not the case in the U.S.A.

quote Originally posted by F-I-E-R-O: So I guess that means we should stop doing business with Germany, the Japanees, the Koreans, the Russians, the Vietnamese, the British for their attrocities against us?... How long do we expect to have to pay for mistakes of the past? Should we still persicute Jews for what happened to Jesus? When do we and anyone else start holding them accountable? You might want to read a little about the hsitory of black slaves, after doing so, I doubt that there will be many people left here who you would want to associate with because their ancestors participated in something that was acceptable to a point at sometime or other. People like to single out the US because we're the big kid on the block, but when's the last time you heard anything about the Portagues, Europeans, black kings, arabs, muslims... Quit crying over the past, learn form it, but don't get caught up in things that other people did in another time. Today, the best way to get along is to realize our individual strengths and weaknesses and to celebrate to differences. Besides, unless you're trying to lose weight, it takes a lot more effort to frown than to smile. Please Read: http://www.scaruffi.com/politics/slavetra.html

The problem with your post is it assumes past wrongs have been corrected and now things are fair and equal. I assure you that is not the case in the U.S.A. So the answer is yes we should stop doing business with those countries if they were still engaged in those practices.

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The problem with your post (ie, my disagreement with your opinion) assumes that past wrongs needed to be corrected in a way that they have not been. Does slavery still exist ? Reparations have been given to the American Indians. They are no more likely to succeed than you or I.

quote Originally posted by cliffw: The problem with your post (ie, my disagreement with your opinion) assumes that past wrongs needed to be corrected in a way that they have not been. Does slavery still exist ? Reparations have been given to the American Indians. They are no more likely to succeed than you or I.

Congratulations you are truly a citizen of the U.S.A. the United States of Amnesia. That would explain such a ridiculous ahistorical response. Are you saying that simply ending slavery cured all ills it created?

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quote Originally posted by Unrivaled: The problem with your post is it assumes past wrongs have been corrected and now things are fair and equal. I assure you that is not the case in the U.S.A. So the answer is yes we should stop doing business with those countries if they were still engaged in those practices.

Have you ever considered the fact that these wrongs cannot be corrected? I would like to hear your way of righting these wrongs. They are in the past, exacted by people long gone, on people long gone.The wrong has died, along with the people involved on both sides.Any prolongation of the bitterness, is being used by the present generation as a tool, and an excuse not to try to do better.It would appear to have been proved over and over again, that those who wish to accept and bury the past have done so and got on in life.Lazy and indolent people find it easier to lean on an excuse, and hold their hand out.The bitter truth is the more you try to help human beings, the more they expect you to, and the less they try. That is one of the biggest problems with social security systems.Not the system, but the people who use it.They choose to make it permanent, rather than a stepping-stone of assistance to a better way of life.The Human Rights programmes are flawed, for one reason.They clamour for their "rights", and yet ignore their own responsibilities that go with those rights.Therein lies the root of the problem.They demand the right to have, for example, as many childern as they care to, but ignore their responsibilities to ensure they have the means to provide for them.They expect the State, or in other words responsible people, to give them hand-outs. Rights are always there to be enjoyed.But the responsibility which earns those rights all too often is not.
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quote Originally posted by Unrivaled: Congratulations you are truly a citizen of the U.S.A. the United States of Amnesia. That would explain such a ridiculous ahistorical response. Are you saying that simply ending slavery cured all ills it created?

Seems like we've done maybe just a tiny bit more than end slavery. Don't know. Guess it time for this cracker to climb on his horse & check out the old plantation.

quote Originally posted by Unrivaled: The problem with your post is it assumes past wrongs have been corrected and now things are fair and equal. I assure you that is not the case in the U.S.A. So the answer is yes we should stop doing business with those countries if they were still engaged in those practices.

I'm not talking simply about slavery, I'm talking about every attrosity ever performed by everyone. How long do we hold on to the past? Does making reparations make everything OK? I can almost guarantee that there are many groups (espsecially some black leaders) where that will never be enough. Some people have different ideas about what should be done to correct the injustices of those who lived before us. That was another time and someone elses mistakes- not mine and not yours. If we were to take your point further, how do are we to make things up to the now extinct neandrothals? We can either live in the present dealing with the hand that's been delt to us from the past working for a better future, or we can forever live trying wallowing in the mistakes of the past debating the best ways repay those that weren't a part of it either. Going through my geneology, my conscience is clear.

Probably one of the most secure group of people about who they are and how they live are "rednecks." Take a look at the packed houses and the success of Jeff Foxworthy and others like him- heck, take a look at the success of Hee-Haw. The ability to laugh at yourself and your neighbors is probably the healthiest way to live a life, being offended by everything and looking for the easiest way to blame someone else for your problems without looking at yourself is one of the saddest.

Hmmm.. just imagine what would happen, if Unrivaled and, say, Frontal Lobe were to stand as Community Leaders in an area under discussion. The proportion of people to line up behind each candidate would ensure a landslide victory for Unrivaled...but what would they gain? Nothing, because Unrivaled's Policy appeals to the lazy and greedy and jealous.He would win, and they would all collectively lose.It would precipitate into a disaster zone. If the People had the responsibility and integrity neccessary to promote themselves in today's world, they would line up behind Frontal Lobe, and many would improve their lot.My opinion? Sure. Do I stand by it? Double sure. What do I base my opinion on? Personal experience. If my Father and Mother had not been there, pushing me to toe the line, and LEARN something, I might well have been a Social Security scrounger all through my life, because I wouldn't have had the pride and self-esteem that was given to me by my Parents. There.See that word? PARENTS, just in case you missed it.Not one. Or other. BOTH. My pocket money was earned by me, by doing chores.It was limited, and if I spent it on Saturday, then it was a long wait until next Friday.If I wanted a luxury, I had to save for it, and my Parents matched MY contribution penny for penny, pound for pound...if they thought it was neccessary. If not, I was on my own.Discipline, thriftiness, and responsibility. They cost nothing, but bring rewards far better than government handouts.
Why do I get angry at people who are not responsible? I will give you an example in my life.
I am a musician.I work hard, and improve my show every year.I turn up to my gigs, ill or not. I always give a little more than is expected. I charge a RESPONSIBLE fee, with which to maintain my equipment, and my lifestyle.Out of all the Entertainers resident here in my area, I am the only one who is buying his own home. I have a car for my wife to use to get to work,(it cost less than$800). I have a very unusual, and exotic-looking car, my Fiero, that cost me $2500. I have a workshop with many tools and equipment.I have good quality music equipment. My wife and I go home after work, and enjoy a cup of tea and talk about our day.We plan our money as best as possible. We rarely have holidays, and don't eat out, buy designer-label clothes, or have HP debts.
And so, some of the people in our town look at our lifestyle, and decide, based on their own extravagance,( they spend twice as much as me, and have less than half to show for it..therefore they assume I am getting paid twice as much as them) that I am over-paid.They do their best to undermine my standing, and get me out of venues.It worked this year. But not next. The employers have discovered that I EARN my money, and money that they take in their hotels/bars is far better than they took with the others.I now have most of my old jobs back, and at a better rate of pay. I had to make the sacrifice,this year, because the have-nots tried to knock me down, I get the last laugh. Now they must suffer the consequences of their jealousy, and irresponsibility.Do I feel sorry for them? Do I heck!! I don't eat cake, but bread and butter. Let them eat sawdust, until they look at themselves, and learn.
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quote Originally posted by Gordo: Maybe you have a double standard too? I don't see you trolling this joke thread... https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum6/HTML/037383.html Does this mean that it's ok to poke fun at senior citizens but a crime to laugh at "ghetto language"?

quote Originally posted by Unrivaled: NEWSFLASH for GORDO. I don't read every thread or post on PFF.

But now you have read that thread, or at least know that it's about poking fun at senior citizens. But we still don't see you complain there. Thus, double standards.

Wheres all the down home jokes?

This mus b 1 them gummit treds. Evabody gotta b so korecked!

quote Originally posted by fierofetish: Have you ever considered the fact that these wrongs cannot be corrected? I would like to hear your way of righting these wrongs. They are in the past, exacted by people long gone, on people long gone.The wrong has died, along with the people involved on both sides.Any prolongation of the bitterness, is being used by the present generation as a tool, and an excuse not to try to do better.It would appear to have been proved over and over again, that those who wish to accept and bury the past have done so and got on in life.Lazy and indolent people find it easier to lean on an excuse, and hold their hand out.The bitter truth is the more you try to help human beings, the more they expect you to, and the less they try.

Your comments would have some merit if American society stopped slavery related prectices i.e. discrimination when slavery officially ended. However, that is not the case, African Americans have been discriminated againstduring and since slavery. As a result they have had to protest/march/fight for even the most basic rights afforded to whites as a matter of course. Question for you Fierofetish, why do you suppose discrimination continues against Blacks on all levels irrespective of their education and.or financial standing? Black employess of the FBI have even had to file class action suits against them for discrimination. The FBI doesn't just hire anybody, I'm sure they have very high stardards for hiring. So are you tellng me the Black FBI employees are lazy? BTW One could reasonably assume that some of the bitterness comes from having to continually fight battles against discrimination.

quote Originally posted by Unrivaled: Your comments would have some merit if American society stopped slavery related prectices i.e. discrimination when slavery officially ended. However, that is not the case, African Americans have been discriminated againstduring and since slavery. As a result they have had to protest/march/fight for even the most basic rights afforded to whites as a matter of course. Question for you Fierofetish, why do you suppose discrimination continues against Blacks on all levels irrespective of their education and.or financial standing? Black employess of the FBI have even had to file class action suits against them for discrimination. The FBI doesn't just hire anybody, I'm sure they have very high stardards for hiring. So are you tellng me the Black FBI employees are lazy? BTW One could reasonably assume that some of the bitterness comes from having to continually fight battles against discrimination.

Kan't u go argu wida sine poss summers eLs??

quote Originally posted by F-I-E-R-O: I'm not talking simply about slavery, I'm talking about every attrosity ever performed by everyone. How long do we hold on to the past? Does making reparations make everything OK? I can almost guarantee that there are many groups (espsecially some black leaders) where that will never be enough. Some people have different ideas about what should be done to correct the injustices of those who lived before us. That was another time and someone elses mistakes- not mine and not yours. If we were to take your point further, how do are we to make things up to the now extinct neandrothals? We can either live in the present dealing with the hand that's been delt to us from the past working for a better future, or we can forever live trying wallowing in the mistakes of the past debating the best ways repay those that weren't a part of it either. Going through my geneology, my conscience is clear.

None of us were around for the creation and siging of the constitution, those people are long gone. Yet to this day we still reap the benefits. The same for slavery, we still suffer the remnnants of its legacy to this day. So people have differing opinions on how to address and solve it is no excuse not to do so.

quote Originally posted by Unrivaled: None of us were around for the creation and siging of the constitution, those people are long gone. Yet to this day we still reap the benefits. The same for slavery, we still suffer the remnnants of its legacy to this day. So people have differing opinions on how to address and solve it is no excuse not to do so.

Rite now we be sufferin' yo azz!!

quote Originally posted by Unrivaled: None of us were around for the creation and siging of the constitution, those people are long gone. Yet to this day we still reap the benefits. The same for slavery, we still suffer the remnnants of its legacy to this day. So people have differing opinions on how to address and solve it is no excuse not to do so.

boy o boy....you are in a WHOLE other dimension arent you......you see, theres this thing, called reality,..... and um.... you need to get off of you pedastal and join the rest of us who are at least IN it.

quote Originally posted by BobadooFunk: boy o boy....you are in a WHOLE other dimension arent you......you see, theres this thing, called reality,..... and um.... you need to get off of you pedastal and join the rest of us who are at least IN it.

Sorry that you and a few others dislike the use of history to explain current events. You probably hated it in school also.

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What exactly are the remnants of slavery? I know our country was a different place to live in not so long ago with race riots, Black Panthers, Malcom X, Dr. King, separate drinking fountains and laws about who sits where on the bus, etc. Most of these events were during my childhood BTW.
Many things have changed since then. I'm sure there still are those who discriminate against minorities and others, but I believe that they are in a very small minority nowadays. Most people who want to think that way do not go very far in life, unless they keep it under wraps. It isn't socially acceptable and it isn't right. We are all equal no matter what color, race, religion, sex, disability, or political affiliation we may have or be. You don't treat people differently because of their differences, we are all brothers and sisters in the end and deserve to be treated as equals.
Yes, there is discrimination out there, but it isn't as rampant as you make it seem. There still are bigots out there, but they will only show themselves to others of their same kind as they know it will not be tolerated.
It is right to make an issue over discrimination if it is uncovered, but don't make too large of a protest if none is present. It just reduces ones credibility and damages it for those who are really discriminated against.
If you have been personally discriminated against, please give us the details of who did it, when they did it, what it was they did, and maybe we can all get together here to help you right this wrong. A general complaint about discrimination will not help anyone.

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quote Originally posted by Unrivaled: Sorry that you and a few others dislike the use of history to explain current events. You probably hated it in school also.

How old is u?

You ain't old enough ta teach us true history. You be teaching somebody else'sperception. don't make me shank ya!

Very funny......Not the jokes.Well they are kinda funny.I laughed because I see idiots that speak like that all the time.No what I thought was really funny is before I even got a quarter Of the way though reading it I was wondering who would be the first person to start with their bullshit politicalcorrecrtness I'm insulted but not really I just want to attract attention skit.

Now I don't know much about other states but here in California we have a diverse group of idiots.Maybe in other states it is more concentrated on the black community but here it is well spread out.We have dumb black kids and dumb white kids and we even Asian kids speaking like that. Worst of all thats how a lot of their parents talk to. I have a feeling that more blacks speak like that still though but then I observe a lot of black people have gotten away from the stigma they created and now shun those that are so uncouth. More power to em.

Just in case some of you get insulted by something I said or my use of the word black instead of african American let's just save some time right here and I can give you your response now.

bla wa blaaa bla bla bla expletive bla waa bla racial slur bla bla something about your mother and a donkey.That ought to cover it.

Fiero No doubt about it you are a twisted up dude but I prefer that to most of the people sporting large pieces of lumber in their posterior!!

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PLAY HARD-DIE FAST

There are three kinds of people
Those trying to be good.
Those trying not to be bad.
And those that make trying not to be bad a lot harder for me!!!

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quote Originally posted by Butter: ...............don't make me shank ya!

That was a little extreme. Extremely funny

Unrivaled,
I have to ask this, because it could be significant to your perspective. Your Member name smacks of Elitism...but perhaps you have a valid reason to use it.What was your motive for selecting that name? I dare say that a greater majority of Members have a Username for a valid reason, or simply just use their own name or initials etc. This is not meant to be facetious in any way..just wondered why you chose it?
Nick

quote Originally posted by Unrivaled: Sorry that you and a few others dislike the use of history to explain current events. You probably hated it in school also.

HA, i actually chose history as my sub-major for my Elementary Education degree...... and i always get A's and currently enjoy my history class. (all i keep think is dont assume......)

quote Originally posted by fierofetish: Unrivaled, I have to ask this, because it could be significant to your perspective. Your Member name smacks of Elitism...but perhaps you have a valid reason to use it.What was your motive for selecting that name? I dare say that a greater majority of Members have a Username for a valid reason, or simply just use their own name or initials etc. This is not meant to be facetious in any way..just wondered why you chose it? Nick

With all due respect, why try and pigeonhole someone by their username? Good grief, I see many names here that one could associate with retarded thinking. But the person is anything but that when you read what they wrote. In other words, a username does not give a post/reply merit. It either has it or not irrespective of the posters username.

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But you still don't explain why..I did say I wasn't trying to be facetious, and I meant it.I was just curious as to why you would use a name that implies something about you is better than anything else! Somebody puts a label on a jar, somebody will get curious as to why that name was chosen.You seem reluctant to explain why..is it that difficult? You can PM me if you like!! I am not trying to hold you up to Public denigration..I am just curious. Or just tell em to mind my own business!! That is fair enough too!
Nick

quote Originally posted by fierofetish: But you still don't explain why..I did say I wasn't trying to be facetious, and I meant it.I was just curious as to why you would use a name that implies something about you is better than anything else! Somebody puts a label on a jar, somebody will get curious as to why that name was chosen.You seem reluctant to explain why..is it that difficult? You can PM me if you like!! I am not trying to hold you up to Public denigration..I am just curious. Or just tell em to mind my own business!! That is fair enough too! Nick

I also decided not to particpate in the huge thread devoted to why members chose their usernames in the general chat forum.