quote Originally posted by DefEddie: The parts fiero behind it i've had for a few weeks. It's going to it's new home in OKC weekend after this. mera7-mike in okc is picking it up. I actually got that fiero free from a buddy that owed me a favor.

What I meant was that's a nice Fiero you bought. I assume you're talking about buying a Fiero since the thread is in General Fiero Chat.

quote Originally posted by DefEddie: Well,she starts and runs! Turned right over and started. Well actually it wouldn't start at first,fire but no fuel. Finally heard the pump come on,check the shrader valve and just got pressurized air. Poured a little bit in the tank and cycled the key... Fired right off!!

McLaren knows his stuff. ;]

haha. that's cool that it works. can't wait to get started, i'll bet. :]

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Thanks, Danyel, for the graphic.

Sorry,you must be new to fiero's monkey,mclaren never built one unfortunately.
I'm fairly new also though,no harm.
Most people would have realized it's not a fiero from the pic,take a closer look.
Sorry the pics are fuzzy,it's my iphone.
I'll be swapping it into my fiero.


I'm not going to jump right into it yet.
I need to clean my shop up a bit,some engine's need moved around and parts shelved.
I've already begun disassembling the interior,after I pull it into the shop next will be the front clip and then i'll yank the engine/trans.
I would drop the whole subframe but would like to keep it a roller for now.

Also noticed the battery box and subframing below were rusted to crap,chassis might be junk anyway.
Odd for around here,must've come from up north.

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$50, now running, great deal.

Oklahoma humidity is good at rusting cars, not as bad as the salt-belt, but I've seen plenty of rusty cars in OK. The other thing is that any car left in weeds or grass will rust much faster underneath because of the constant condensation from the things growing below it.

Either way if it's junk, it's no big loss... you got what really matters.

Good luck.

P.S. Even though it wasn't initially Fiero related, it is now since it's going into a Fiero. I think we can let it slide just this once.

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quote Originally posted by ALLTRBO: P.S. Even though it wasn't initially Fiero related, it is now since it's going into a Fiero. I think we can let it slide just this once.

Lol,yeah it was initially fiero related-I just didn't want to come right out and admit it yet.
I hear it's part of the disease.

nice find! just needs a little TLC now!

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quote Originally posted by ALLTRBO: $50, now running, great deal.

you could easily sell those rims for $100... hehe.

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Thanks, Danyel, for the graphic.

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quote Originally posted by Mr_jacob7: you could easily sell those rims for $100... hehe.

Rims sold for that exact price within a couple hours of posting the TGP up on w-body forum.
Guy from canada is going to send someone to pick them up.

quote Originally posted by DefEddie:

Wow! I never noticed the Gran Prix before and those seats look like one ones in the Concept Fiero 2+2. A great change from your normal looking back seats.

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quote Originally posted by DefEddie: Sorry,you must be new to fiero's monkey,mclaren never built one unfortunately. I'm fairly new also though,no harm. Most people would have realized it's not a fiero from the pic,take a closer look. Sorry the pics are fuzzy,it's my iphone. I'll be swapping it into my fiero.

Um...yeah. I know Fieros as I've had 4 of them. I was being sarcastic since you posted something non-Fiero related in the Fiero section but it doesn't matter. I don't always follow the rules in life, either so it's ok.

quote Originally posted by DefEddie: Rims sold for that exact price within a couple hours of posting the TGP up on w-body forum. Guy from canada is going to send someone to pick them up.

woah... my awesomeness amazes me, sometimes!

i'm going to go polish my humbleness trophy, now, though. ;]

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Thanks, Danyel, for the graphic.

Well,finally got the thing up in front of my shop.
Took the battery out of my 88,dropped it in the tgp and started it right up.
Reverse worked great,drove smooth the 40ft (uphill 45*) up the shop driveway.
Didn't pull it into the shop yet,need to get my hoist and move an engine so it will be easily accesible to move next week.
I have my 97 yukon on the shop,and didn't park it close enough to the wall and it's on jackstands without suspension.
So unless I want to move 4 engine/trans lined up along the other side to get the hoist out later i've got to do it now.

I've had 3 offers on the chassis when i'm through with it,I still plan to give it away though.
Got ahold of a guy on craigslist and he's got a 90 3.1 lumina that he's sending to the scrapyard.
He's gonna let me pull all the brackets and whatever I want.
I'm trading him some aluminum intakes etc.. that I got from work for scrap to offset the weight he's losing

When I finally get around to pulling it i'm using everything possible.
I'm betting even the washer bottle would mount in the front nicely for a water/meth tank.

Throwing all the emission's and cruise gear in a box,i'll figure out what to do about it later.
I'm going to compare the evap/purge stuff and more than likely cobble together my own system.

Still tossing around using the dash and cluster.
I really like the idea of HUD,but i'm really diggin' the "Intercooled Turbo" wording and integrated boost guage.
Stock boost guage's suck,but i'm sure something could be done using guts of an aftermarket unit.
I've been building this though for the past few weeks in my spare time (no time lately)
https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/103872.html
and not sure if I wanna give up on it-I really like the green and that style digital.

Any opinions?

quote Originally posted by DefEddie: Lol,yeah it was initially fiero related-I just didn't want to come right out and admit it yet. I hear it's part of the disease.

Hi, my name is katatak and I am addicted to the Fiero. The 1st step on the path to recovery is admiting you have a problem. Use great caution as they multiply at an alrming rate. Good luck on your project.

Pat

Still haven't figured out if I want to use the TGP cluster or not.
Anybody swap in the 90ish model grand prix cluster or HUD?
I've done a few searches,and still checking but would love an opinion.

quote Originally posted by DefEddie: Still haven't figured out if I want to use the TGP cluster or not. Anybody swap in the 90ish model grand prix cluster or HUD? I've done a few searches,and still checking but would love an opinion.

Bump,would love some opinions or experience on this subject.
I have the knowledge,experience to do the job but would love info from another learn-ed source.

Those rims look pretty badass, you could put them on your Fiero, or mine...

quote Originally posted by MisterHolaMan: Those rims look pretty badass, you could put them on your Fiero, or mine...

Well, not so fast. The Fiero uses a 5x100 bolt pattern, and most FWD GM cars used a 5x115 pattern. I'm pretty confident the W-Body (Grand Prix, etc.) used the bigger 5x115. In simple english: they won't fit.

Damn. I need some pretty rims on mine...

Side question, just thinking outloud... I've got a brother who has a 91 Grand Prix... I wonder how difficult it would be to put buckets in place of the stock bench in back, like this TGP has.

quote Originally posted by ManMadeChickens: Well, not so fast. The Fiero uses a 5x100 bolt pattern, and most FWD GM cars used a 5x115 pattern. I'm pretty confident the W-Body (Grand Prix, etc.) used the bigger 5x115. In simple english: they won't fit.

How many is most FWD GM cars? I know for a fact that Breatta's have a 5X100 bolt pattern. W-body's are 5X115, so the grand prix wheels won't work.

so let me get this straight. TGP for $50 towed home, and you get it running. Don't part it out!!!!
you are too lucky.

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quote Originally posted by DefEddie: Bump,would love some opinions or experience on this subject. I have the knowledge,experience to do the job but would love info from another learn-ed source.

Any questions, class? ;]

what is it you need to know?

(EDIT) As far as the gauge cluster, i didn't have the car, so i stuck with fiero.

the HUD i would love to have done, but, once more, i didn't have the car. sorry. i'm no help. :P

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Thanks, Danyel, for the graphic.

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I pulled the engine out of one of those, really started into the project, but eventually realized it would only be a 'interesting' swap, and there are many other swaps that will make more power for a lot less trouble and money. I paid off the machinist, and told him to sell the long block if he could, never did check back. Still have the turbo and a few parts rolling around somewhere.

At 205HP its just not worth the trouble if you want it as a power upgrade.

Actually,205hp is stock
You don't think I would go to all this trouble and not change a trick or two while I was in there

Not going extreme or anything,but it should be at least 300 horse when it's dropped in-before the nitrous.
I've got fast fun cars,this is just my daily driver.
It needs an engine anyway,for $50 + another grand into it for refresh/upgrade it should be pretty comfortable for my 3 mile drive to work and back. (And i've made my money back+++ on the car already so actual money spent will be $500 or less!!)

(Oh yeah,and I live 8 miles from an 1/8th mile track... )

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I doubt you'll see 300 even with a ton of boost, not without some major upgrades, though the bottom end might be there to support the power. Maybe bore it and mill the heads to increase displacement yet keep the CR, at a really hot cam and upgrade the valve springs, as the 60* V6 doesnt like to rev anyway, replace the exhaust manifolds and put on a bigger turbo (stock is what a T2? smallest turbo I've seen) maybe 14-20 PSI, port the heads you might get near there, still wont have the torque though.

Well you'd have to buy new forged pistons to bore it.

The bottom end would be awesome for an all out motor, but as a upgrade swap, I didnt see the ROI as an upgrade

quote Originally posted by DefEddie: Well,she starts and runs! Turned right over and started. Well actually it wouldn't start at first,fire but no fuel. Finally heard the pump come on,check the shrader valve and just got pressurized air. Poured a little bit in the tank and cycled the key... Fired right off!! Intercooler to TB pipe is disconnected for the moment. Tach is not ready correctly nor is the oil pressure it seems. That's all wiring,and I can work on that later (i'm contemplating using the dash cluster) http://www.youtube.com/v/V808jtIgwKg&hl

Have you thought about maybe just selling the entire car on eBay?

I bet you can get a grand and a half for it...

Best of both worlds I think... anyone who buys it will probably fix it... (especially if it runs). You're going to want to rebuild everything anyway... so why not just start with some other engine? The $1,450 you make on the car can just go to whatever else you want to put in your Fiero (another engine)... just a thought.

I've sold dozens of cars on eBay...

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I agree you should keep it together clean it up and sell it. With the money you make u can buy a 3800sc motor. That old turbo motor can turn into a money pit real quick and u will need custom exhaust if u use a standard. I read the threads and it took them along time to even get them running. Plus your not gaining anything maybe a few hp over a normal 3800 and you wont be able to use any of the cool electronics that the newere motors can run. I say u give it some TLC get a title and make 3-4000 bucks and do a proper motor swap. The intake is backwards in a Fiero and I think its a waste of time just to get a 3.1 with a tiny turbo.dosent a NA3800 already have 200hp? if you want 300 your dreaming with the small cubes restrictive intake and tiny turbo it wont come close without spending money. I hate seeing rare cars chopped up just cause u got a deal on it might as well strip it and trash it huh. Sickens me how many nice cars have this done to them chopped up just cause they were bought cheap. Like the 80 Buick Regal sport coupe I owned years ago. Instead of having the turbo 3.8 it had some burned out 305 with a huge carb and headers. Complete waste of the guys time and you know the rare turbo motor just got tossed in a dumpster. Your doing the same thing with this car chopping out the good stuff and trashing the rest. Funny thing is the part u want so bad isent what makes the car valuable. Its the whole sum of the parts that makes it a nice car. Even with just a NA3.1 people would still like this car and U really think the 3.1 turbo is badass. A good tuned 3800 will spank your turbo motor. Atleast when 3800SC are chopped out its just a generic car that has no value except the motor. This is a rare pontiac and you dont know how lucky u were to even get it and now u are going to rip it all apart and destroy it. Almost as bad as someone getting a 89 fiero and saying hey that would be a good motor for my cavalier hmm I will yank it out and scrap the rest its just a crappy pontiac anyways.

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Actually,people are lucky to get 1500 from a running car in tons better shape.
They might be rare,but that don't make em worth money.

And 300 is easily attainable with the given base.
A quick injector swap and upgrade the T25 to a T28-3 should easily make 300hp (no flow numbers on the heads yet so can't tell you what the heads are capable of).
Do some more reading,if you can't find the hp after doing the math then read some more.
They aren't money pits any more than a fiero is-get the context?


I'm not arguing hp or viable swap or sell it/treasure it debates.

This engine is exactly what I was looking for,and it's perfect for what I need it for.


Well,between 3hr's the other day and hour yesterday and an hour today (all by myself so it took long time) i've got the subframe on the ground and only need to lift the front of the car and pull the powertrain out from underneath.
Brother in law is bringing back my cherry picker today,so hopefully have a spare hour tomorrow to yank the subframe,pull the powertrain and rebolt the subframe.
Then the powertrain assembly will be seperated,the trans will go with me to work to be rebuilt with some extras and the engine will go on a stand in my garage to be freshened up and some slight tweaking of components.

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The other swaps were done with just the motor not a complete car. I think your going to be pretty dissapointed with your investment. There will be custom fabbing needed and your not going to win bragging rights at the drag strip. 300 hp is a pipe dream without swapping in the 3400 heads and intake

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This is not just a 3.1L v-6 with a turbo attached to it...

Oh, no...

this is much, much more. when Mclaren says they're going to build something, they build it, and they build it well.

http://www.turbograndprix.c...nd%20Differences.htm

I believe that 300 HP is more than plausible.

on a side-note, and personal opinion: the bottle is like steroids, and should never be used unless you're a ricer. :]

jk.

well, not really, but it's all good.

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Thanks, Danyel, for the graphic.

quote Originally posted by red85gt: The other swaps were done with just the motor not a complete car. I think your going to be pretty dissapointed with your investment. There will be custom fabbing needed and your not going to win bragging rights at the drag strip. 300 hp is a pipe dream without swapping in the 3400 heads and intake

Now I think I see where we have differing opinions and I will need to simply agree with you,smile and walk away please.

There is hardly any custom fabbing needed (and my day job is a dealer tech so I have "facilities")My investment is profit=~$150,and I could give a damn what any one thinks about what i'm doing short of constructive advice and opinion.
The argument for or against has been over for awhile.

I've explained this many times,I hope this is the last.

I appreciate all the comments cheering me on,don't misunderstand me as i'm not trying to build a track monster.
But I would be remiss as an enthusiast if I left it all stock.


"Those who say it cannot be done,should not be interrupting those doing it"

Wow, thanks for the eye-opening thread, I had never even heard of a turbo grand prix, much less seen one around here. Maybe I'll have to keep an eye out for them. Don't worry about the negative comments on parting the TGP out, I don't see many cars from the late 80's and early 90's being worth outrageous amounts of money like the Chevelles and Cudas bring in. Plus even with those vents and body moldings those cars still don't have much visual appeal (IMO).

Well,finally got a spare hour and figured out a way to pull the subframe from under the car.
Took some redneck'n but got subframe out,powertrain hanging from hoist and subframe back under car minus mounts.
Haven't bolted the subframe back in yet,ran out of time.

Speaking with Majestic Turbo out of Waco,tx for the turbo upgrade. Will either be machining/upgrading mine or going all new,not sure which yet.
Will have some pics up soon,this thing has been touched by someone with an edwards scissorhands wiring skills class.
New rings and GM gasket kit on the way,plans are also for probrably a comp 260h cam-not sure on that though as I want to talk with a buddy that races fwd circle track first.
Have appt's out of town tonight,but tomorrow should be able to load up the powertrain and get it from my shop to my garage.
Will then split them and engine stays,trans goes to my bay in the Ford shop.
No boring or machining if it isn't need,just some porting,bearings and gaskets and back together.

How bout 50 bucks for that bronco in the background , then you'll tripple your money!

Will be a particularly nice wee swap, since you've got the whole TGP to pillage you might as well gank the cluster etc as well and make use of it while it's available - you'd be the first I know of. Might as well have the 80s fancy goodies that go with the turbo 3.1 to go with the 80s fancy looks of the Fiero eh?

Lol @ Tim
The Bronco is a hunting rig only,all stock with a winch the width of the bumper.
It's sitting there till I get time to rebuild the rear end,hopefully before next season.

quote Originally posted by Carcenomy: Will be a particularly nice wee swap, since you've got the whole TGP to pillage you might as well gank the cluster etc as well and make use of it while it's available - you'd be the first I know of. Might as well have the 80s fancy goodies that go with the turbo 3.1 to go with the 80s fancy looks of the Fiero eh?

I thought of doing just that,and almost scrapped this project
https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/103872.html
But to be honest,other than keeping the cool 80's look and having the "intercooled turbo" wording there isn't much there imo.
The integrated boost guage is nice,but it's a stock unit and they are terribly inconsistent.
While I haven't decided for sure which dash i'll be using,I think i've ruled out the TGP cluster.

If it actually said McLaren on it,I would use it just for that probrably.
As of this time though,I plan to give it to my buddy to rebuild and put new motors in and sale it on ebay,tgpforums or w-body.com

Here are some pics of the powertrain,don't mind my dirty shop-it's storage at this moment (and my brother in law can't remember to close the big door,hence the leaves)

Had a spare couple hours today so went out to the shop for a bit.
Subframe is back under car and car is rolling again.
Took almost an hour to push the engine/trans/hoist to the front of the shop by myself (thanks for not showing Jace!)
Decided to pull some misc crap off since I didn't have a truck to load it into at the time to degrease it and move to my garage.
Got most of the harness pulled and labeled,gonna have to rebuild it from scratch it looks.

This thing must have ran like toasted dog turd,almost every vacuum line was cracked,broke or shoddily patched.
AC clutch connector was dead short across,along with a few more.
Inline splice/scotch-lok connectors (shadetree trash) were used without abandon.
From the looks of the upper intake manifold i'll be dealing with a crossover leak more than likely also.
Went ahead and pulled the upper manifold.
I really want to use the stock stuff,just ported to infinity-but not so sure i'll use the stock TB.
Yanked it so I could start comparing the gasket and flange size to see how I could tweak it,make it better etc..
(I'm aware of the easy 3400 top end swap-different conversation and TGP's came with the big splayed valve heads )


Here's some more pics.

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Parts started rolling in this week.
Got a Genuine GM Goodwrench head gasket set,some new iron rings and the cam kit should be here in a few days.
Due to local weather conditions and my candy azz I haven't got the engine into my garage yet.
Been working on cleaning up the intake manifold,finally got the gaskets so will start porting the upper tomorrow.
Calculated for fuel injectors and looking for a nice set of Cobra's (even with employee discount they're expensive at Ford parts).

I would really like to get this thing finished up and running by march to go to Pinks! all out in Tulsa,we had a great time when we went at Red River Raceway.

Still haven't heard from the guy at majestic turbo,need to call him since I might be dealing with a crossover leak.
If I have to repair a leak then adding a flange won't be a big deal.

Finally got the engine/trans from my shop into my garage.
Spent a couple hours last night disassembling all the excess stuff.
Loaded it back up this afternoon and degreased/pressure washed it 3 times.
Brought it back home,pulled the starter and plugs (new! they used antisieze even!Wrong type plug though)
Turned the engine by hand and pulled the TCC bolts and trans.
Trans is sitting in garage,will be loaded onto the truck and wait for a trip to a buddy's shop who is going to walk me through a rebuild. (I never go farthur than valvebody repairs at Ford)
Engine is hanging from the hoist awaiting my wife to get back from tractor supply with correct bolts to mount on the stand.

So far everything isn't in terrible shape. All the hoses needed replaced,a couple were just short of bursting.
The hard coolant pipes will need replaced more than likely,we'll see what the powdercoater says after blasting.
I haven't decided whether I'm going to do this in my garage or at the Ford shop for sure.
I'd like to take it to Ford as we have a JetBath there.
Only problem is i'm the only one that uses it and generally it needs drained and cleaned and heater replaced whenever I use it.

Turbo is in great shape,no end or side play whatsoever-feels tighter than stock.
Good news as that means I can sell it for funds to pay for the newer bigger one if I need.

Well,for those following that's where i'm at.
I'll take some pics of it cleaned up whenever I get it on the stand and get my garage cleaned up enough for pics

Haven't heard from Majestic Turbo all week.
Not a huge issue yet,but will need to hear from them or call them back within the next couple weeks.

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