I was going to buy a low mile 3800sc moter, low mount ATL bracket,computer,wireing AC lines basicly a compleat package from him everything totaling over 5000USD THANK GOD ! i found another moter from a member for less with just about everything i needed and more i will admit i was scared about sending money orders to some guy in the states who i did not know but i did get my moter and the extras with it. I personaly am a bit nuts and if i had sent money to anyone and did not recive my package that person would see me at there door, I got screwed here in Canada by JIM from HIGH TEC who used to build 3.4 swaps, lets just say he didnt come home for a few days then he called me with a cheque for a refund, people somtimes justice is best served cold ! i would say someone needs to go see Loyd and let him know you are comming to town to collect!
I told you I dont SHIP to Canada and it would go to somewhere in the US close to the border and you could pick it up. Thank you for not doing business with me.
You are a real piece of hypocritical work Dan. There are threads on you being late on parts and harness work. You better go get back in that ez chair you bragged about sitting in last year and screwing over people by not doing your work. I have reworked 3 of your harness to date. 5 of WCF's . 2 of Jims Performance, and of course, one of my mind in house, and John fixed the issue I created on his. IAC wires were reversed on 2 simple wires. The in house mistake was #3 injector in the hole next to were it belonged. Your harness issues were, ECT wired wrong on one. Ignition 1 and 3 wired wrong on an S3 setup, and I forgot the other one. WCF's biggest problem is AC black wire in C203 going straight to ground and frying the whole harness, and blowing several fuses in the process. Jim's issues were on another 3800 install type not being Fieros.
Accusations and general BS from you Mike. Like you said, you have NEVER had a transaction with me, but yet you called me numerous times in the past. Thank you for NOT coming to me with your install. I am happy with your decision and makes it easy not to support you in the future.
Funny thing. I just got a call from Loyde here, I didn't answer it because I was busy but called him back. He told me NO ONE has ever paid for a harness and not received it (even if it did take extra time). he said he told ALL of the people that received their items late not to post that he had completed the work. He also said this forum is a joke, was moderated poorly, and he hadn't been trying to sell his services here for about a year and a half. He also went on about the only people that were posting against him were people that hadn't actually done business with him. I told him I would do this;
I will pm EVERY member who lodged a complaint about not receiving their items. If they ALL say they ended up receiving them but didn't post it because he asked them not to, I will retract my statements. Until this happens, my words stand. There are too many people saying you didn't do what you were paid to do.
Oh and Curly, Will's car is still sitting there and supposedly it is because he keeps changing his build. I don't know why Loyde told me that because I didn't ask. Funny thing is his next sentence was it's not anyone's business. Again, I didn't mention Will's car.
Loyde also went on to say I was a coward, and I was just "letting my balls swing behind a keyboard". He said he would walk up to me at a meet and shake my hand. I responded by telling him I wouldn't shake his hand because I'm not a fake person that acts one way to a person's face and another way behind their back. I will say the same things to his face. His response was I'll shake your hand and tell you that you're an ass-hole then. Loyde I've said it to one other person, and now I'll say it to you. Walking up to me and starting a confrontation isn't in your best interest and would end badly for you, not to mention the humiliation that would follow. It would be best for you to tend to your professional reputation and either make things right or find another way to do business. If you're not willing to do either, then don't complain when people voice their opinions about your business practices, which are public information on a forum like this. Advising your customers not to clear your name if the work was indeed finished is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.
-Michael
Oh yeah, you're not anywhere near as glad as I am that you don't have my car. Believe me when I say neither of us would want to deal with the consequences of my actions if I had been added to the list of unsatisfied customers.
Lets see I fell behind on two harnesses a few months because of health problems, both harnesses were finished and I stopped making harnesses for quite a while till my health improved. The only complaint was from one person and mostly because I had also moved my family during the time he was trying to contact me to get me closer to my Doctor and back into town to keep from having my driver's liscence pulled for medical reasons. I did not continue taking orders I could not finish and no one was out any thing and the person complaining recieved his harness. Now lest look your way what is it atleast ten people ripped off for harnesses or is it more like twenty at the over inflated price you charge that would mean you ripped off people for over what $100,000 atleast with the harnesses not made and the swaps not completed. I had health problems and you had what was it, oh yeah warranty issues with your Chineese bride who fled back to China just to get away from you. That says a lot willing to go back to a place like China to get away from some one now that alone would make you think the person is a real piece of work let alone all the illegal actions he has done on here. I have said it before as well as others if you want to be left alone to run your business stop ripping off members here and make up to the ones you have already screwed. Dan
I too waited a LONG time on my harness. This was about 4 years ago and it is sad to see that it is still taking him forever. I will never do business with him again. Looking back I would have done my own for the time I waited.
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avengador1 Member
Posts: 35468 From: Orlando, Florida Registered: Oct 2001
Okay Can we Move it to the Trash Can Then! Thank you !! What Do a Say cliff?
You will get better results if you PM him. As for banning Loyde that is up to the members, If you don't like him rate him negative if you want to be rid of him. I wonder if he ever did finish Reverend Fiero's harness. Maybe I'll contact the Reverend to see if he did.
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Logan Member
Posts: 263 From: Terre Haute, IN Registered: Jun 2009
It's sad that a thread like this is what it takes. I do hope he follows through. If not, please let us know to stop others from unknowingly walking into a similar situation. Good luck Logan.
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darkhorizon Member
Posts: 12279 From: Flint Michigan Registered: Jan 2006
Im Just Requesting to have the forum Removed Me and Loyde have Come to an Agreement and i have PMed Cliff.. Thanks Though
The "agreement" still doesnt change the fact you got ripped off, nor does it mean that this thread should be "removed".
Its pure bullcrap either way, and any agreement that doesnt end in a FULL refund and or a completed harness is one where you "the customer" loses. And yes, I meant that you should get your money back either way, and I would think loyde would come through and provide the harness completed for free, aka his loss.
Edit, latest data hot off the presses!
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FastFieros Member
Posts: 2698 From: Dallas Texas USA Registered: Nov 2000
Lets see I fell behind on two harnesses a few months because of health problems, both harnesses were finished and I stopped making harnesses for quite a while till my health improved. The only complaint was from one person and mostly because I had also moved my family during the time he was trying to contact me to get me closer to my Doctor and back into town to keep from having my driver's liscence pulled for medical reasons. I did not continue taking orders I could not finish and no one was out any thing and the person complaining recieved his harness. Now lest look your way what is it atleast ten people ripped off for harnesses or is it more like twenty at the over inflated price you charge that would mean you ripped off people for over what $100,000 atleast with the harnesses not made and the swaps not completed. I had health problems and you had what was it, oh yeah warranty issues with your Chineese bride who fled back to China just to get away from you. That says a lot willing to go back to a place like China to get away from some one now that alone would make you think the person is a real piece of work let alone all the illegal actions he has done on here. I have said it before as well as others if you want to be left alone to run your business stop ripping off members here and make up to the ones you have already screwed. Dan
This forum use to be very policed by its members when it comes to attacks against spouse's and children, but I guess that does not apply to me. You are such an ass to drag my personal life of wife into my business per say affairs. You cannot imagine the commitment and respect I have for my ex-wife that returned to China to be with her family in a time of need, and I was willing to give her up so she could attend to her mother and father. Even today I am faced with the same sitituation. My wife (now of 4 years ) has a real father just like any other human being and he is dieing with lung cancer day by day. I gave to a cancer patient here in the USA because one, he was a Fiero community person, and two, I cannot do much for my father in law today. My wife and step son need to return to China this summer at which time she has decided she will not return until her father's death. I am speechless beyond this point I am so sick to my stomach of you instigators.
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Logan Member
Posts: 263 From: Terre Haute, IN Registered: Jun 2009
Alright DarkHorizon and FieroFlyer. That is A bit uncalled For Im sorry But Bringing Family Into This Is F^cking Ridiculous..... Are You serious ? Like F^ck That is Just plane Low ! ! ! This Is Business Not Family Holy $hit Like Im Surprised He hasnt Had you Killed For that.. Cause if Some one Would Bring My Family into The Matter of Business I would Destroy Them and Strangle Them With my own Bare Hands Till there is No life in them! Tell me Thats F^cked up But thats What i would Do...
Alright DarkHorizon and FieroFlyer. That is A bit uncalled For Im sorry But Bringing Family Into This Is F^cking Ridiculous..... Are You serious ? Like F^ck That is Just plane Low ! ! ! This Is Business Not Family Holy $hit Like Im Surprised He hasnt Had you Killed For that.. Cause if Some one Would Bring My Family into The Matter of Business I would Destroy Them and Strangle Them With my own Bare Hands Till there is No life in them! Tell me Thats F^cked up But thats What i would Do...
wow.. just wow
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Logan Member
Posts: 263 From: Terre Haute, IN Registered: Jun 2009
I've always chosen to stay out of these posts about Loyde but can no longer. I feel qualified to comment as I've done business with Loyde. He installed a 3800s/c for me nearly two years ago. Yes, it took far longer than agreed upon. However, we stayed in contact and I tried to understand the serious personal problems he was having. I now have an installation that is one of the neatest and cleanest in the country and it has been trouble free. I have seen some done by others that have been real hack jobs and nothing but trouble.
One of Loydes problems is that he is always willing to spend a lot of time on the phone helping people who are doing their own installs or were working on problems with an installation they had done elsewhere. You always hear people commenting how Loyde spent time helping them. When I was at Loyde's shop picking my car up, he took two calls helping people that weren't customers. Many of the complaint type posts here start off sounding really bad but when the other side of the story comes out, we find it is a different situation. This thread is a good example.
Often these threads are full of posts by people that haven't done business with Loyde or weren't involved, yet they beat on their chests and make threats on how tough they would have been or make stupid remarks about his personal life. Let's try to maintain some civility here, ok? Call me a lackey if you like but if I have another installation done, Loyde will be my choice.
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Patrick Member
Posts: 39117 From: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada Registered: Apr 99
You've already been informed that's not what goes on here. These aren't your posts for you to ask to be deleted. They're all part of the public record now.
As forum moderator, Cliff can decide to close a thread. However, it would be highly unusual for Cliff to delete a thread.
Seems to me that someone's putting the screws to you to make such a request.
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87antuzzi Member
Posts: 11151 From: Surrounded by corn. Registered: Feb 2009
Apparantly, Logan and FastFieros have come to some kind of agreement meaning the original intend of this thread has now been served. A request has been made to delete this thread but as I explained through PM, that will not happen. But I will close the thread because it now serves no other purpose than to bash certain individuals - and we already have threads for that.
As for the remarks that "the forum used to be so much better and so much friendlier and so much better moderated and so much blah-blah-blah-wah-wah-waaaah-whine-whine, if that's the case then simply remove PFF from your bookmarks and go here instead.
Also to those that apparently think it's OK to make remarks aimed at someone else's choice of spouse: that's totally uncalled for (not to mention incredibly childish) and I have rated you accordingly.
