I'm not suprised that the tread is about FastFieros, I have no idea what has happened to change him. Once upon a time he was the epitome of the upstanding good buissness man, in '05 I was having a problem getting my 4.9 swap running (passkey prob), I called Loyde and spent some time talking to him, he sent me one of his passkey modules before I had even sent payment, I was more than a little suprised when a package from Fastfieros had shown up. He had gone out of his way to help, knowing full well that for this project at least, all he was going to sell me was a passkey module.

A very long way from how he's been acting for the last few years, I've been watching for quite some time now and I can't help but wonder who this guy is and what has he done with the Loyde we used to know???

Joe

quote Originally posted by Mickey_Moose: I do NOT believe this for 1 second - Wiring diagrams should be viewed as nothing more than a road map

It's never too late to start believing. Ever hear of a "Mickey Mouse job"? We've all seen it and/or done it in this hobby. Ever seen people get lost even with a road map in hand? Everyone is capable of learning new skills, but not everyone has the time, patience & mental aptitude to achieve a professional grade skill level. Not all of us can be a "Jack of all trades". Sometimes it's better to leave a job to someone with years of experience who knows what he's doing, and most importantly, do a much, much better job than we could do ourselves.

quote Originally posted by Logan: yes talked today just needed to rant! he told it would be another 15 days till he back in his shop again!

15 days until he gets back to his shop?? I
Then what, another 7 months?
I thought his "shop" was the garage in his backyard?

Seriously I would just ask for a refund and my harnesses back. (I doubt he still has them. He probably used them to fill some of the orders he had that folks had waited years for.) Then I would follow the advice of others above and have one made by someone more reliable and less expensive.

With all these folks who have been ripped off, I would think they could join together and get a class action suit going against his business.

Yep I agree not everyone is created equal or else we would all be doctors. Wiring harness' can be overwhelming and tricky. Not all the info to complete one is listed out there in one spot. I feel bad for people who lose their hard earned money. Loyds website looks very professional so if you're not a pff member or a new pff member you wouldn't know any of the stuff he's done. My buddy Jason bought some of the block off plates from him and I got them right away. He just sent the pcm and bought one of the fuel reg, fuel pressure, and return line deal all in one but its only been a week since he received the pcm and payment was made for everything so we'll see I guess. This thread makes nervous if I'll get the stuff in a timely manner to finish his swap but Jason trust him and its his parts/money sooo.

quote Originally posted by Logan: I feel Like He is a good guy and knows what he is doing just his business is overwhelming him. Loyde I know your Reading This and You have Called me to ask To have this forum Removed because its doing neither one of us any good but it happens to be making me feel alot better i feel like i have been ripped a new A$$ hole Because i have paid all this money, way more than what people say the going rate for a harness and pcm.. I believe i should get some kind of leway ,, Some Free parts say some EGR Blocks offs, AC Hose Set, and $150 Cash? What Do ya Say Give Me A Call With Your Answer? if its a yes .. ill close this post as soon as i recieve some leway thanks like maybe Wensday in the mail?

You can't remove it now. Sorry but people need to be warned about Loyde. Wouldn't you have liked to have know he wasn't reliable before you sent him $900?

quote Originally posted by darkhorizon: Also, it takes NO investment up front so, why are people like you paying $900, then sending your parts to be worked on.... When you could just as easily pay him after it is done and ready to be shipped.

When I do dash harnesses,(even though I do have upfront costs with clusters and switches and such), I don't ask for payment until the harness is boxed up and ready to ship. That's just how I do business.

I just want to drop in and give my 2 cents.... I have known Loyde for a long time and we have done business time and time again. I have had no problems with anything I have bought from him and I still do buy from him today! I just got off the phone with him and the PCM is being shipped out monday. Not too long ago ( maybe 3 months ago) I bought his block off plates, and once again his stuff was top notch and on time. Same goes for the PCM and the fuel piece too. What people have to understand is that someti
es life happens. Granted the parts I have bought from him were fairly quick to do, a harness takes lots of time. I personally have not done one, but it's a timely process. Suck it up and wait.. I can say that what you are getting from Loyde is top notch and he will stand behind it.
Thanks Loyde for all your help.
Jason

Suck it up a just wait! Really? I ve only been waiting seven months! And when I do get the harness and it doesn't work .. What are you going to say then o just suck it up and fix it right? Your an a$$hole!

Flyboy81 does 3800 wiring harnesses. PM him for details.

Jonathan

If this guy is as dishonest as you all imply, I would suggest you contact both the Better Business Bureau and The State Attorney General of his state. Then keep bugging the Attorney General for your money. Especially if he fails to respond to your reasonable requests for product.

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I can say that what you are getting from Loyde is top notch and he will stand behind it.
Thanks Loyde for all your help.
Jason[/QUOTE]

Like I said his lackies keep him alive on here so he can rip off even more people, yes harnesses take time, no Lloyd's are no better then some others and no his are not worth the money he charges for them.
If you do not have the time to do the work you do not take on the work and as far as life taking over that is for things like health or family related not chineese brides under warranty. Dan

I agree with Boostdreamer. If you do end up getting your harness's/ money back contact Flyboy81. He just did my harness and fast with a lot better price tag.

Looks like it's back to the same crap. 'Suck it up and wait' is about the dumbest thing I have ever heard, especially after the guy has waited 7 months already.

Thank you Hulki U. My-BFF your the man

quote Originally posted by Logan: yea i see that now good thing i have his address... Not a threat we have been communicating it just seven f@cking months and no pr0gress... asked him to send me what he has done .. and he wont send it !! im thinking im screwed out of $900 dollars!! What do you thinkl?

If the deposit was $900, then what is the total cost of the harness? I only require 25% down to start one of my projects. That will show me commitment from the buyer & cover my cost of supplies.

Rob
Fierovation

Another person ripped off by Loyde. Don't people ask about vendors on here anymore? This would save them a lot of grief and money.

I agree on the deposit method. If the buyer is serious, they will have no problem with it. The harnesses are not truly standardized but close enough that IF it is your business, you should have stock to turn around. Not waiting on customer supplied harness. Actually if the customer is supplying the harnesses, there should be NO need for deposit. IF you are in that business, and the customer doesn't pay when work is completed, it won't be long before you can sell it to someone else so the customer loses his harnesses.

quote Originally posted by fierocarparts: I agree on the deposit method. If the buyer is serious, they will have no problem with it. The harnesses are not truly standardized but close enough that IF it is your business, you should have stock to turn around. Not waiting on customer supplied harness. Actually if the customer is supplying the harnesses, there should be NO need for deposit. IF you are in that business, and the customer doesn't pay when work is completed, it won't be long before you can sell it to someone else so the customer loses his harnesses.

Cash deposit? He sent him the parts to work with. THAT alone should be enough "payment" to start the job.

Problem is not the paying up front it is the person he dealt with, if a person is honest then paying up front is fine and every thing gets done and you get your product or harness in this case as promised.
Doing a wiring harness properly does take time especially when you are completely rewiring the harness so it runs nice and clean and not just drapped over the engine that is why you do not take orders you can not fill.
Or as Lloyd has shown he does not care about finishing things all he is interested in is getting paid. Dan

It does not really do me any good to ‘defend’ myself in this forum, especially when it comes to late wiring harness work. As many of you know, I do a lot of different parts beyond wiring harness work, and I cant remember a time that low mounts, custom thermostats housings, engine / trans mounts, block off plates, and on and on the things I try to create… are ever talked about as being ‘late’ .

I do the wiring work for those that want something that is 100% concepted from 2 harness that become one. I spend about 60 hours on each harness. I will never take short cuts on this work. I try to start one and stay with it 100% to the end so I don’t forget the last thing I was doing with it. In about 200 harness, I have had 2 mistakes. One went to John here on the forum, the other was an in house harness on an install. However, one good thing is that every harness I have ever sent out started the engine 100% and did not cause any repercussions to drivability.

I have reworked Dan’s Fieroflyer’s harness, I have reworked West Coast Fieros, I have reworked Jim’s Performance, I have reworked Dementia’s, just about everyone that likes to bash me in some way on here that has ‘tried’ to duplicate what I have have successfully done for others. Just jealous vendor bashers, instigator’s, and plainly people I don’t want to associate with.

As to the Logan’s harness, it is about now one month on the ‘late’ side. One month. Why one month? Because he paid for the harness in Oct 09. I got the harness in Oct 09. Nov he let me know that he was taking the engine back out for upgrades and to take my time on the harness. In January he and I discussed that it would be March 1 before I was going to work back in my shop to the point I could build the harness. He agreed to this 100% and was happy go lucky no problem. Yes, now march 1 has come and gone by 1 month and I am late. My bad. Im sorry Logan. We discussed this BEFORE he started this post and he was fine with the issue at hand and just asked I please get done by the April 15th date I set with him on the phone. Then we get this piss poor posting. He does not call it bashing I guess, but in my opinion it is. Then we have the band wagon instigators come on board with the 3 year ago late harness issues. Goody goody for you all.

Have fun with it. I am still doing work for various people on this forum that want quality even it takes me 3 weeks to a maybe even a year. They want something that works 100% the first time and someone that can deliver the backend support 100%. I am not going to sit here and run each of you down. Everyone has faults in life. No one is perfect. I have not stolen anyone's money to date. I am still in the same house, same phone number of 10 years. Been working on Fieros since 1996. Pretty sure that people that are really out to be thief are a moving target, and actually get away with 100's of thousands of dollars. Whitehorse, Kitcarman, Scott Dovek all come to mind on that type of issue. I am still here.

As to business practices in payments, you guys do business the way you want to, and I will do business the way I want to. If someone does not want to pay up front, fine by me. I will either tell you thank you for calling and have a good day, or I will work with you on a agreed solution that meets both of the needs.

Have a good day guys.

http://www.fastfieros.com

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quote Originally posted by FastFieros: I am still doing work for various people on this forum that want quality even it takes me 3 weeks to a maybe even a year. They want something that works 100% the first time and someone that can deliver the backend support 100%. I am not going to sit here and run each of you down. Have a good day guys. http://www.fastfieros.com

Aside from the wiring harness issue, what's the ETA on Will-Martin's #019 choptop? I've asked before, but you said it was, "between you and Will-Martin." Is #019 outcome some type of secret? Enquiring minds would like to know. I have no other dog in this issue, but to see Will's car completed for our choptop reunions.

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"Friends don't let their friends drive stock."

I haven't bought anything from Loyde, but he has been very helpful to me with information and his time at no cost.

quote Originally posted by madcurl: Aside from the wiring harness issue, what's the ETA on Will-Martin's #019 choptop? I've asked before, but you said it was, "between you and Will-Martin." Is #019 outcome some type of secret? Enquiring minds would like to know. I have no other dog in this issue, but to see Will's car completed for our choptop reunions.

And it is still between Will and I ... not you and I, not you and Will. So go bump some more 2 year old threads instigator. I dont like you, and you dont like me, that's way that rolls.

http://www.fastfieros.com

He Speaks! Thank you Loyde mostly True story but we have agreed on just more than one date in this seven month.. Dont get me wrong i believe he has good products.. just This is One mistake that i am getting worried about because it has been so long and my money seem to be lost im just really concerned that i may not be getting my harness and PCM!!

quote Originally posted by Logan: He Speaks! Thank you Loyde mostly True story but we have agreed on just more than one date in this seven month.. Dont get me wrong i believe he has good products.. just This is One mistake that i am getting worried about because it has been so long and my money seem to be lost im just really concerned that i may not be getting my harness and PCM!!

Last time I checked adding on my fingers it was Nov 15, Dec 15, Jan 15, Feb 15, Mar 15 = 5 months. Last time I checked my memory of our phone conversations it was Apr 15 I will be done and you were happy camper. I can agree I am a month late however.

http://www.fastfieros.com

quote Originally posted by FastFieros: And it is still between Will and I ... not you and I, not you and Will. So go bump some more 2 year old threads instigator. I dont like you, and you dont like me, that's way that rolls. http://www.fastfieros.com

So, you don't like me, huh? Although, I can't say the same about you- for I don't believe we've ever meet, but I will rebump the thread if you like and address the question there.

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quote Originally posted by FastFieros: It does not really do me any good to ‘defend’ myself in this forum, especially when it comes to late wiring harness work. As many of you know, I do a lot of different parts beyond wiring harness work, and I cant remember a time that low mounts, custom thermostats housings, engine / trans mounts, block off plates, and on and on the things I try to create… are ever talked about as being ‘late’ . I do the wiring work for those that want something that is 100% concepted from 2 harness that become one. I spend about 60 hours on each harness. I will never take short cuts on this work. I try to start one and stay with it 100% to the end so I don’t forget the last thing I was doing with it. In about 200 harness, I have had 2 mistakes. One went to John here on the forum, the other was an in house harness on an install. However, one good thing is that every harness I have ever sent out started the engine 100% and did not cause any repercussions to drivability. I have reworked Dan’s Fieroflyer’s harness, I have reworked West Coast Fieros, I have reworked Jim’s Performance, I have reworked Dementia’s, just about everyone that likes to bash me in some way on here that has ‘tried’ to duplicate what I have have successfully done for others. Just jealous vendor bashers, instigator’s, and plainly people I don’t want to associate with. As to the Logan’s harness, it is about now one month on the ‘late’ side. One month. Why one month? Because he paid for the harness in Oct 09. I got the harness in Oct 09. Nov he let me know that he was taking the engine back out for upgrades and to take my time on the harness. In January he and I discussed that it would be March 1 before I was going to work back in my shop to the point I could build the harness. He agreed to this 100% and was happy go lucky no problem. Yes, now march 1 has come and gone by 1 month and I am late. My bad. Im sorry Logan. We discussed this BEFORE he started this post and he was fine with the issue at hand and just asked I please get done by the April 15th date I set with him on the phone. Then we get this piss poor posting. He does not call it bashing I guess, but in my opinion it is. Then we have the band wagon instigators come on board with the 3 year ago late harness issues. Goody goody for you all. Have fun with it. I am still doing work for various people on this forum that want quality even it takes me 3 weeks to a maybe even a year. They want something that works 100% the first time and someone that can deliver the backend support 100%. I am not going to sit here and run each of you down. Everyone has faults in life. No one is perfect. I have not stolen anyone's money to date. I am still in the same house, same phone number of 10 years. Been working on Fieros since 1996. Pretty sure that people that are really out to be thief are a moving target, and actually get away with 100's of thousands of dollars. Whitehorse, Kitcarman, Scott Dovek all come to mind on that type of issue. I am still here. As to business practices in payments, you guys do business the way you want to, and I will do business the way I want to. If someone does not want to pay up front, fine by me. I will either tell you thank you for calling and have a good day, or I will work with you on a agreed solution that meets both of the needs. Have a good day guys. http://www.fastfieros.com

Okay Contradiction? those are the five dates we agreed on? and April 15th is the new date ... please Loyde Just finish my harness and PCM!! Im Closing This thread Because I still be respect you and the Fact That you are Standing up for yourself and i respect that.. All i ask is that my harness and PCM is Done a Shipped to me on April 15th.. can you guarantee it will be done April 15th if so thread will be closed immediately.. Thank you

I can really understand being worried over $900.00 spent 7 months ago on a wiring harness that has not been seen.

FastFieros, you yourself say that you are a month behind, and then say that you agreed on April 15th as the finish date. WTF?

That's soon enough that you could have it to his door on time, if you give a crap.

Am I reading this right, that you are charging $900.00 for a wiring harness that is in effect just the 20+ year old Fiero Wiring harness meshed with the 3800 harness?? AND he had to send the harness' to you so you could do this???

You can charge whatever you want to, go ahead, I was thinking several months ago of building Harnesses from all new wiring for 3800, and 4.9's and charging $400.00. It should only take a few hours work if you know what you are doing, have the proper tools, and can read a diagram.

Man, I need in on this business. I think I would have several built ahead and ready to go.

Brad

Once again we hear nothing but BS straight from the horses a#& that he is. You have never reworked one of my harnesses you lying sack of crap nor probably any one elses harness either so why go there.
The problem has never been a question of quality although your harnesses are no better it is about honesty you must have atleast hear that word before at some point in your life even though you have no clue as to its meaning.
You should not be taking on more harnesses or work of any kind till you have made up for all the people you ripped off over the years you know the guys you took money from with no intention of doing what you were paid for. Dan

quote Originally posted by FIEROFLYER: Once again we hear nothing but BS straight from the horses a#& that he is. You have never reworked one of my harnesses you lying sack of crap nor probably any one elses harness either so why go there. The problem has never been a question of quality although your harnesses are no better it is about honesty you must have atleast hear that word before at some point in your life even though you have no clue as to its meaning. You should not be taking on more harnesses or work of any kind till you have made up for all the people you ripped off over the years you know the guys you took money from with no intention of doing what you were paid for. Dan

You are a real piece of hypocritical work Dan. There are threads on you being late on parts and harness work. You better go get back in that ez chair you bragged about sitting in last year and screwing over people by not doing your work. I have reworked 3 of your harness to date. 5 of WCF's . 2 of Jims Performance, and of course, one of my mind in house, and John fixed the issue I created on his. IAC wires were reversed on 2 simple wires. The in house mistake was #3 injector in the hole next to were it belonged. Your harness issues were, ECT wired wrong on one. Ignition 1 and 3 wired wrong on an S3 setup, and I forgot the other one. WCF's biggest problem is AC black wire in C203 going straight to ground and frying the whole harness, and blowing several fuses in the process. Jim's issues were on another 3800 install type not being Fieros.

Still working on Fieros and harness for over 10 years @ http://www.fastfieros.com

Cliff Pennock Time Get Rid of This Thread Please ! ! ! Thank You

I have to be honest about this. There are SEVERAL people on this forum that claim they have not received their products OR any refunds from Loyde going back several years. I understand why people keep offering business to him....ignorance. I even discussed having Loyde do a swap for me, but I couldn't justify it after reading threads (yes there are multiple threads) about him literally ripping people off for thousands of dollars. According to these people he has never even attempted to make restitution and his reasons were nothing more than empty apologies without any offer to make it right. Kind of like "Well my life is hard so what can you do, but thanks for the money you prepaid me".

To clarify, I have not done business with him, again I simply couldn't justify it after reading post after post after post from people who had. I have however witnessed his responses to people on here (his major target market), and can say I believe he has ripped people off and honestly should not be allowed to prey on new forum members any longer. Cliff I know you don't like to get involved in these things, but your moral compass should tell you that it is warranted by now. At this point someone could make the arguement in court that this site is condoning his behavior by allowing him access to members and you could be named co-defendant. That might not be a concern to you since you don't live in the US, but it could happen and would potentially bring about problems.

If not then the members really should do what they can to ban him. What would it take? Everyone reversing his rating with a positive, waiting a day, then putting it back to a negative to try to get him speedbanned, or does that not work when someone's bar is showing? I really am disgusted by the indifference when it comes to this behavior. I actually feel less comfortable in a forum where this is allowed to continue.

quote I have reworked Dan’s Fieroflyer’s harness, I have reworked West Coast Fieros, I have reworked Jim’s Performance, I have reworked Dementia’s, just about everyone that likes to bash me in some way on here that has ‘tried’ to duplicate what I have have successfully done for others. Just jealous vendor bashers, instigator’s, and plainly people I don’t want to associate with.

Funny, you have never "re-worked" any of mine... and I have "re-worked" yours in situations where it left someone stranded....

Hell, and I am considered a hack by 100% of the forum... damn!

Lloyd has been spreading so much crap for so long I think he is starting to believe his own lies.
He should have been banned years ago and by all rights should be in jail, unfortunately most of the people he rips off are too far away from him to do much which further shows that he is also a coward as well as a crook.
I know for sure many did not ever get their harnesses because I ended up doing quite a few for his victims. Dan

quote Originally posted by Logan: Cliff Pennock Time Get Rid of This Thread Please ! ! ! Thank You

I believe that according to forum rules, you (as the person who started this thread) have the right to ask Cliff to "close" this thread. However, you have no right to ask for this thread to be gotten "rid of". That would be wrong. No need to rewrite history by obliterating it.

Okay Can we Move it to the Trash Can Then! Thank you !! What Do a Say cliff?

I was going to buy a low mile 3800sc moter, low mount ATL bracket,computer,wireing AC lines basicly a compleat package from him everything totaling over 5000USD THANK GOD ! i found another moter from a member for less with just about everything i needed and more i will admit i was scared about sending money orders to some guy in the states who i did not know but i did get my moter and the extras with it.
I personaly am a bit nuts and if i had sent money to anyone and did not recive my package that person would see me at there door, I got screwed here in Canada by JIM from HIGH TEC who used to build 3.4 swaps, lets just say he didnt come home for a few days then he called me with a cheque for a refund, people somtimes justice is best served cold ! i would say someone needs to go see Loyd and let him know you are comming to town to collect!

quote Originally posted by mptighe: I have to be honest about this. There are SEVERAL people on this forum that claim they have not received their products OR any refunds from Loyde going back several years. I understand why people keep offering business to him....ignorance. I even discussed having Loyde do a swap for me, but I couldn't justify it after reading threads (yes there are multiple threads) about him literally ripping people off for thousands of dollars. According to these people he has never even attempted to make restitution and his reasons were nothing more than empty apologies without any offer to make it right. Kind of like "Well my life is hard so what can you do, but thanks for the money you prepaid me". To clarify, I have not done business with him, again I simply couldn't justify it after reading post after post after post from people who had. I have however witnessed his responses to people on here (his major target market), and can say I believe he has ripped people off and honestly should not be allowed to prey on new forum members any longer. Cliff I know you don't like to get involved in these things, but your moral compass should tell you that it is warranted by now. At this point someone could make the arguement in court that this site is condoning his behavior by allowing him access to members and you could be named co-defendant. That might not be a concern to you since you don't live in the US, but it could happen and would potentially bring about problems. If not then the members really should do what they can to ban him. What would it take? Everyone reversing his rating with a positive, waiting a day, then putting it back to a negative to try to get him speedbanned, or does that not work when someone's bar is showing? I really am disgusted by the indifference when it comes to this behavior. I actually feel less comfortable in a forum where this is allowed to continue.

Accusations and general BS from you Mike. Like you said, you have NEVER had a transaction with me, but yet you called me numerous times in the past. Thank you for NOT coming to me with your install. I am happy with your decision and makes it easy not to support you in the future.