hmmm...as much as I would like to, I will not buy anything without first seeing what it is that I am buying...

...but that is just me...

todd, that post was about worthless.. lol I know people can say whatever they want about it, I really do not care, just trying to keep this thread a little cleaner, the patent thing has already been discussed.


Chris, You did not steal anyones designes, you do however have designes similar to other companies, mostly improved,
I was simply trying to explain why I did not want to post a pic of my hinge on this website.

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quote Originally posted by AJ7: Actually, the only reason I want to get a patent, is so someone cant patent the same thing and then tell me I cant sell them anymore. otherwise, I wouldnt bother with it because they could just copy it anyway and I'm sure they will. I know a few people that have gotten patents and know how everything works with them, one is helping me with mine. I'll have a patent search done before I even try to get a patent, but its not going to cost even $1k. there are many places that will do it for $200-600. then usually $1500-3000 for the full patent, but only $100 for the provisional (I have seen $150 but I think that was going through the website). and why do you guys care if I get a patent anyway??? bottom line is your not getting any pictures of it until I have one.

So you are the patent guy then...OK. The prices I quoted were from a 2 hour presentation provided by our patent attorney who in turn was quoting average cost across this country.
Now if you were only patenting it to protect yourself from someone else coming in and preventing you from selling, then obviously you know that once you post a design of anything in a public forum (such as a message board or publication), then the idea becomes public knowledge and is longer eligible for patent? So you just saved yourself $150.

whatever...Good luck!

Bob

Firstly AJ7,

quote oh, and to the secretive comment, I wouldnt have to be but there is a company that is on this forum that already tried to steal all of my designs, so I have to be secretive. (I'm sure you can figure out what company it is)

quote Also, no you never stole anything from me, you had it in the contract so that you would get the rights to all if my future idea's/products. if I were to sign it (for PFF, it was for a new design of gullwing style doors, and it was supposed to only be THAT DESIGN) , I made the changes that needed to be made so that would not happen, I dont know that you meant it that way but after I made the changes you never even answered another e-mail from me, so what am I to think of that?

Tell me, do these two statements not contradict themselves? The reason I stopped responding to your emails is due infact that you kept changing the contract in a way that made it impossible for us to manufacture the product for you. Keep in mind that the contract even stated (we put this in there) that upon completion of the initial design you would be first to receive and check everything over. You were unprofessional and that is why we chose not to deal with you.

It is quite apparent you do not trust anyone, and to say that you do not trust our company and do not like the way we do business is laughable. We handled ourselves professionally to try and work out a deal that would allow us to manufacture the hinges for you, however, we could not come to an agreement. Also please let me know what reason you may have for not trusting our business?

And yes, look at the Decah kit and ours! If they look similar then you are not looking hard enough, they are not even close. I could only begin to list the number of ways that they are different but feel my time can be better spent elsewhere.

Also the major issue you have is saying things without thinking then trying to cover them back up by editing posts, in the post you claimed that our designs were "Stolen" however now you go back and changed to copied.

Taken your future ideas also? What ideas did we ever receive from you? This just keeps going on and on and the back pedaling continues.

The only reason I will keep viewing this thread is to straighten out any lies that are told about our company.

Thanks,

Chris Wesley
Xtreme-Doors

read them very close, they are both saying the same thing.

Everyone, I did not mean for it to come off looking like they stole any designes, I was just pointing out, all of the vertical door/lambo door systems work alike, but there are multiple patents.

the thing with them trying to steal my ideas, was just a miss-understanding in the contract.

Yes I know, I word things very badly...

Also, I am asking Cliff to end these threads, if anyone is still interested I guess you can pm or e-mail me.

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Just build it, them market it and the buyers (if not turned off already) will come....

Wait, someone already said that.

I think you should give up and go back to school, Learn a trade, get a job a Wal mart. Maybe you could be a Patent Lawyer..........

Thank you for clarifying and re wording what was said.

Thanks,

Chris Wesley
Xtreme-Doors

Cliff, if you are reading this thread to make a decision on whether or not to close it - PLEASE DON'T!!! While it's true that a lot of these threads end up in worthless bickering over nothing, I think this one is serving its purpose. The true character of the person/company offering products should be known, and I think that is becoming obvious here. In the event that a product is ever developed and offered this thread should be viewed carefully to help the buyer make an informed decision on whether or not to commit. Since the story changes so much, maybe critical information should be quoted as soon as it is posted so the truth is always evident...

A number of us have honestly tried to help AJ, but he's just not willing to listen and learn at this point in his life.

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Well that is up to Cliff, but I'd rather it be closed.

"I think you should give up"

What good did that do anyone? I hope no one ever listens to that advice.

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I think its pretty obvious at this point, shown by the response (or lack thereof) since it was bumped last that nobody is really interested in this anymore. Nor do I think anyone has any real interest in dealing with AJ7.

let me guess 1 more year and a few more cr@p photos . it might be time to frogot about the dream over 2 years and not a thing to show for it

quote Originally posted by fierobrian: let me guess 1 more year and a few more cr@p photos . it might be time to frogot about the dream over 2 years and not a thing to show for it

see what I said above? guess not.

Nice to see you finally give in and stop spamming trash threads with your c-clamp 2x4" plywood pipe dreams.