they don't seem to be far enough along in the process to do any estimates right now. so I don't know.
I have told them that I have over 52 people that told me they would like a set of more if we can make this happen.

My guess is that they would have maybe 500 made up (overseas I bet) and then just have them for sale as they are needed.

So we wait as they do their thing.

John

Why don't you contact the Fiero Store and ask them if they want to take on this project. They are already set up to sell fiero parts, have an established market, and probably have better resources to follow this through faster with your supplier .... just a thought .....

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its a good idea but they only sell parts they don't manufacture parts.
Steele does both!
So if Steele will build them (manufacture them) and it looks like they will, they will then want to sell them. I did ask The Fiero parts store if they would like to order a couple to keep on the shelf and they said yes.

So we just have to wait for Steele to move this along for us, will be 6 months or so, they tell me. But I will stay on top of it for us.

Casper

I guess the thing I was thinking was that a place like the Fiero Store could make a larger purchase then inventory what wasn't immediately sold.

Well, I gotta say a big THANKS for your effort on on this project ....

Wow I can't believe I didn't see this post sooner. I would like to say I would take a set but with out knowing a definete price I cannot say. I am a 20 year old college student paying my own way and it is tough for me to say I can afford a set.

You can change me from probably to definite when new seals are available - just to keep this on top

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Pontiac Fiero GT 2M8 (Re-unveiling 2006)

Bump to keep this out of the archives

thanks for doing that
Casper

quote Originally posted by Caspermont: thanks for doing that Casper

thanks for doing the ttop seals

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88 Coupe with CJB T-Tops
85 2m4 Sport Coupe
Western New York Fiero
http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/wnyfiero/

I have a non-CJB car, but you can put me down for a set if they'll fit! Good luck with this....

It seems like there are a bunch of us who need Drip Edges too . I bet that would be a lot easier to reproduce and may make you a little profit!

Hey Johnnyride,
Welcome to the groups with T-tops.

I'm actually not making any money on this, I am just negotiating the re-manuafacturing of the CJB T-tops for all of us that need them. I started to search for some and found out that they are just not made anymore, nor is there any left for sale. As I researched further I found out that no one was even trying to make them so I started to dig up the history of where they came from because it was never form Pontiac is was a vendor to Pontiac. Vendor is out of business. You can read all the threads from the beginning and you can get a better idea of the history. So Steel Rubber is going to build us a replacement set of seals but it will take time so we just have to wait till they are available. Maybe 6 months now.

Yes the CJB seals will work just fine with your non-CJB T-top. There are actually better so you will have an improved seal.

The seals will be sold through Steel Rubber and they will let me know when they are available.

I have list of members from the forum that want seals and I will add your name to the list.
Thanks for the message,
Casper!

quote Originally posted by johnnyride: It seems like there are a bunch of us who need Drip Edges too .

You must need those drip edges for a different car since T-tops don't have drip edges.

I prefer the look of the car without them anyway. I don't see the point, they prevent water from dripping in the open window when it's raining...alternate solution, close the window!

quote Originally posted by Caspermont: Hey Johnnyride, Welcome to the groups with T-tops. As I researched further I found out that no one was even trying to make them so I started to dig up the history of where they came from because it was never form Pontiac is was a vendor to Pontiac. Vendor is out of business. Yes the CJB seals will work just fine with your non-CJB T-top. There are actually better so you will have an improved seal.

I feel I must correct some points.

A few including myself have tried to get them made. Back in 2000 I went to the original manufacture to do a run, the cost $50,000 Min. order.
The original manufacture is still in business and the tooling have been destroyed. Once more in February of 2005 I had a company lined up in China to reproduce them but each set (of 2) was going to be about $400.00 with a min. order of $15,000. Most Fiero owners would never pay that for seals and I wasn’t about to fork out all that money just to see them sit on a shelf. As far as seals go if one wants to go from NON-CJB to CJB they WILL need all four seals. Since you are having a four CJB seals made that will work. Why you are having the glass seals made blows my mind when those are still available, it's just make the job harder for the supplier. I really hope these get made. I still can not understand why they will not give you a price point on these. How can they go into production without knowing if it will fly first..

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they tell me they are in the engineering department right now and they are evaluating the cost and difficulty of doing it and will report back in several months from now.

They have other projects in front of ours!

so we wait!

Thanks for the clarification!

Casper

I'm confused as far as the original manufaturer still being in business. I haven't ever seen a website or really any information about C&C. Is the company under a different name now or were the seals contracted out, or am I totally wrong?

It should also be noted that I never looked much harder than google.

Just wanted to say you can change me from not being able to, to being able too. I just got a new job and it pays well so I will have cash to fork out for these seals. Thanks alot and keep this out of the archives!!!

It is done!
Casper

quote Originally posted by Toaster_Man: I'm confused as far as the original manufaturer still being in business. I haven't ever seen a website or really any information about C&C. Is the company under a different name now or were the seals contracted out, or am I totally wrong? It should also be noted that I never looked much harder than google.

Farmount (Farmont) Skylight is the name of the company now. They sold off their Fiero T-top parts a while back to Tim at Fieroparts.com

They probably contracted out the manufacture of the seals, but who knows. I would have thought they would have sold the molds for the seals with the t-top parts.... that makes me think they contracted it out.

Too bad, that would have been a lot easier to have new ones made.

J.

I talked to Hank and he said maybe by the first of the year they may be out. Price looks reasonable if thier website is any indication.

So how many T-tops do you thing are really left running out there? I can never get a straight answer from anyone on this question. I'm betting there are less than 1k left on the road today. Your opinion?

r/

Frank

quote Originally posted by fklucznik: So how many T-tops do you thing are really left running out there? I can never get a straight answer from anyone on this question. I'm betting there are less than 1k left on the road today. Your opinion? r/ Frank

Judging by how many get recycled from wrecks and how many got sold originally I bet closer to 2000.

quote Originally posted by fklucznik: So how many T-tops do you thing are really left running out there? I can never get a straight answer from anyone on this question. I'm betting there are less than 1k left on the road today. Your opinion? r/ Frank

There isn't a straight answer to give. Even though we know how many were made and we have a T-Top registry, the registry has only about 200 cars in it, and some of those are non-op. The Fiero community is relatively small so I am guessing that there are around 600 or so out there, of various years.

I would agree with AusFiero. From all the messages and the numbers I have seen on the forum. I bet its 2000.

If you go back to some of the other threads. One said that the CJB seal cars were 1252 plus you add in all the other Non-CJB cars.

"CJB only refers to the 1252 1988 Fiero T-Tops which Pontiac arranged to have modified by C&C, as a Regular Production Item.
Non-CJB is any Fiero T-Top installed after the initial purchase, usually by an installer approved by C&C. Note that C&C also did these after-market installations."

The best part is you can recycle and reinstall the T-tops into other Fiero's
Casper

Bump to keep it alive

quote Originally posted by Caspermont: The best part is you can recycle and reinstall the T-tops into other Fiero's

Gotta love that about T-tops on the Fiero. Any progress on new seals? I would love to get a set!!

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Well, back on the first weekend of September, Rick B. and I installed the T-roof in my 85 Fiero. It was a lot easier than we thought. I am just checking on the progress of the seals and a bump to the top to keep this thread alive.

Don Z.

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My rear defuser
It will be painted at the end of summer!

Just wondering ? This morning I noticed a Vette and a Trans Am in the local paper for sale. Both with T tops. Vette, GM and Trans Am, also GM, Pontiac to boot. Anyone know how these seals compare ?

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there was a year of trans am that C&C did the t-tops on. I have seen them and the seals are REALLY closes to the Fiero seals. even the tops themselves look like the fiero t-tops bigger brother

My cousin had an 87 GTA Trans Am and it had C&C t-tops. It's the only F-body I have ever seen with C&C t-tops. The seals were a lot different tho.

Just a few comments to add.
On the subject of how many T-Top Fieros are still in serviceable condition; I have to wonder how many owners of those ~200 Fieros in the T-Top Registry are aware of this thread? Perhaps someone could point them in this direction?
On the pricing point, some of us have a dyer need for these parts. The folks that had my car before me hired a total bozo to tint all of the windows. This clown removed the door glass tinted it, then reinstalled it about a 1/4 inch to far forward, this resulted in the total destruction of the forward half of the driver side seal. Since I'm not willing to scrap the car for a lousy chunk of rubber, I'll be stuck paying whatever the price ends up at.

Blue-in-face with fingers and toes crossed...

Marty W.

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Marty Wibert : 88 GT 5 speed. S/N 200372 built in 87. Number 8 in the T-Top registry.
Black with twin (skunk) stripes, gold wheels, and beechwood interior. ~ 85,000
mi.

I would like to have a link to the T-top registry, I have a 86SE with C&C from the dealer (at least guessing from the early 85 date on the C&C registration sticker) I would be up for a set, but I would have to have a price idea first, are we talking 100$ a set or $400 a set?

www.fierottop.com is the link.

Note that the registry is only for those 88's with the RPO code for t-tops "cjb"

All other year fieros and even some 88's (without the cjb code) will not be in the registry

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BTTT

Back To The Tavern?

After getting a related e-mail from Ray Paulk, I thought I'd bump this thread again. Anyone have any news?

Hi John,
I will be interested in new seals for my 88.

quote Originally posted by RossT: www.fierottop.com is the link. Note that the registry is only for those 88's with the RPO code for t-tops "cjb" All other year fieros and even some 88's (without the cjb code) will not be in the registry

It is time to get a real count of t tops not just CJB. You are going to need the ones that were dealer installed to get anywhere with this project.
Too much is made of CJB and NON CJB.