Everyone that I have seen so far in here that has posted comments about white walls belonging only on 50's cars or has posted pics of white wall tires for examples are all showing and refering to the "wide white bar" white walls which are for 50 and 60's cars. My Dad specifically did not want the wide white stripe style ones as he knew that they would represent the older style cars and that is not what he wanted. He patiently waited a long time until he could find exactly the ones that he did want which was the thin white stripe ones you now see on his GT.
Keep in mind that there are quite a few tire company's marketing white walls specifically for newer cars like the PT Cruisers for example. The PT Cruiser is a retro style car so speak I know, but using it as a good example it shows that the white wall tires are not just for 50's cars.
Hey, if you don't like the white walls on his rims then thats fine, really it is. Just please try and be considerate when posting it. I am always amazed how we can have a thread where people can say how the forum needs to be better and people should be more carefull of what thyey say and then we see a few posts like these in here. A puking smiley? Bad taste runs in my family? Obviously a couple of you at least really need to re-read Cliffs rules on posting and then reconsider what you posted above.

I think we would all agree that a more positive feedback would happen if the car was on cinder-blocks waiting in (hopeful) anticipation of good tires being delivered.

Don not mean to slam, but I suppose there are people who enjoy liver and onions with thier ice-cream.

Sincerely,

Kevin J. Sullivan
kevinsullivan@frontiernet.net
916-600-6482

As with everyone else, the rims look great , he did a good job refinishing them. Whitewalls? NO WAY DUDE !!
Plus , the gold clashes with the blue/silver grd fx. They do however match the side marker light very well.
But hey, everyone to his own. He will be in a class for himself.

You don't mean to slam? sure whatever...
Tell you what Kevin, you can go ahead and wait in (hopeful) anticipation all you want
In the mean time, my Dad will be out cruising around in his GT enjoying it to his hearts content.

We all enjoy the feel of cruising in our Fiero(s). Ain't nothing like it, so Dad; enjoy yourself. I hope you are not sporting a green leisure suit. Nothing incorrect about leisure suits, they were all 'the bomb' years ago. I think your Pop is someone to be proud of, afterall few people would attempt the ideas he has sprouted. Not likely I will get into a fender bender with him in my SE, since we are across the contry.
What makes the Fiero the most wonderful car for all of us to enjoy is we can express ourselves with seamingly endless ideas.

Sincerely,

Kevin J. Sullivan
kevinsullivan@frontiernet.net
916-600-6482

The pictures from a distance make it look like a bit of an illusion... like the rims are bigger because of that white stripe. Not really my taste but good job on refinishing the rims.

Hey, I love my Dad too, but if he wanted to go out of the house dressed like these one of these guys, I'd be sure to tell him. The moral to this story is sure, to each his own means what might make one person happy may not necessarily be considered tastful by many others.

A good salesman will tell you how right something is for you and how much you need it. A great salesman will talk you out of something when it doesn't work and point you in the right direction... I'll always go back to the great salesman.

Whatewalls were over in like mid 80's. Since its your dads car, he must be an older man, I can see how he got them. back in the day whitewalls were where it was at.

I do think those gold wheels look very nice, minus the tires.
If it had some whiteletter tires, it would be awsome!

The whitewalls look bad. They belong on a lincoln or grand marquis.

quote Originally posted by kevin: We all enjoy the feel of cruising in our Fiero(s). Ain't nothing like it, so Dad; enjoy yourself. I hope you are not sporting a green leisure suit. Nothing incorrect about leisure suits, they were all 'the bomb' years ago. I think your Pop is someone to be proud of, afterall few people would attempt the ideas he has sprouted. Not likely I will get into a fender bender with him in my SE, since we are across the contry. What makes the Fiero the most wonderful car for all of us to enjoy is we can express ourselves with seamingly endless ideas.

This thread is getting sappier than Log Cabin...

The whitewalls and the white and red stripe above the gfx don't suit the car at all. Looks like plaid pants.

I found this, (ok, I made it up) what do you think?

Next time tell the lady at Wal-Mart tire service to put the white walls in. All in fun, awesome car, bad choice on the white walls.

White Walls / White Strip Look Like Crap ...****in Wicked Job On The Rims Though ..I Know How hard It Is To Refinish Those Damn Things ...

Props For The Rims

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Just noticed that your dad has the front plates on!! He must of learned something there!!

Looks really good without the white.

What really matters is that he likes them, and no one is going to steel them either.

Now, I think he should go into the rim restore business! Dand they look good.

quote Originally posted by F-I-E-R-O: Personally, the more I look at these, the more I like the all black because it shows off the very nice job done on the rims. White walls are kind of like putting search lights around a rose- the beauty is there but hard to see till you get past the lights...

Well put.

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Boy-o-boy did I start something.You guys are just having sooo much fun.I just love it.I've seen some carzy car mods that I don't necessarily like but to each his own.

quote Originally posted by Fiero5: Everyone that I have seen so far in here that has posted comments about white walls belonging only on 50's cars or has posted pics of white wall tires for examples are all showing and refering to the "wide white bar" white walls which are for 50 and 60's cars. My Dad specifically did not want the wide white stripe style ones as he knew that they would represent the older style cars and that is not what he wanted. He patiently waited a long time until he could find exactly the ones that he did want which was the thin white stripe ones you now see on his GT. Keep in mind that there are quite a few tire company's marketing white walls specifically for newer cars like the PT Cruisers for example. The PT Cruiser is a retro style car so speak I know, but using it as a good example it shows that the white wall tires are not just for 50's cars. Hey, if you don't like the white walls on his rims then thats fine, really it is. Just please try and be considerate when posting it. I am always amazed how we can have a thread where people can say how the forum needs to be better and people should be more carefull of what thyey say and then we see a few posts like these in here. A puking smiley? Bad taste runs in my family? Obviously a couple of you at least really need to re-read Cliffs rules on posting and then reconsider what you posted above.

This thread was a misconception from the beginning, a couple people in your other thread asked about the whitewalls on a fiero, and you stated that there was "major interest" in these wheels n tires....really what was meant was ..." whitewalls on a fiero??" I saw these responses coming as soon as you said you would make a thread about it, I'm surprised you didn't! You must admit, you have a pretty ...umm....personal taste when it comes to doing up cars. (with the exception of your stock indy).....you guys may think this car/tire combo is the bomb, and that's err good, but you should be ready for any criticism, good or bad, not everyone sugar coats what they really think. I myself think it's hideous (the rims look very nice though), I think those tires would better suit a hearse(spelling nazis?!) than a fiero, because they are way more retro than the fiero is. It takes the sporty look, and completely conceals it behind those thin white stripes. Not sure what look he's going for, but if it works for him, fine......I'm sure you've both heard feedback like this regarding the look of it before posting this thread. The car is looking good besides that though, it's a fiero so I like it to a degree no matter what.

Personally, I would've gone with raised white letters. But it isn't my car. So I'll STFU now.

BTW, your dad did an awesome job refinishing the rims.

LITEDAZE, I have no problem with your post because it appears to have been said with thought and civility.
Keep in mind that it is NOT my car, it is my Dads. It is maybe not what I would have done as I myself prefer white letterd tires. But now that I see the thin white wall actually on the rims I really like it. Even if I didn't, it's not my car and if my Dad likes it, more power to him. I am sure there are things I have liked or wanted to do on some of mine that my Dad wasn't too keen on, but he respected it and me enough to still help and let me do my thing. Same with his grandson Jordan. I know a few of what Jordan wanted we both were like, uhm..ok. But it was his car and so why wouldn't we give him the same courtesy and respect we would want ourselves.

As for my Indy being the only one I have thats stock, I actually have more stock or close to stock Fieros than the heavily modified ones most on here we are always focusing on, but the modified ones do seem to get the majority of the attention thats for sure. A good example of this fact was when we went to the 20th Anniversary show in MI. I took my pride and joy Indy and as soon as we got there and people started coming over and saying hi to us they all wanted to know where Jordans Fiero was. Yeah, my Indy was nice and all but wanting to know where Jordans Fast & Furious Fiero was was pretty much what we heard constantly that afternoon and evening. Now, there is certainly nothing wrong with that at all but it did prove something thats for sure. It proved that yes, stock Fieros are nice but it's the attention grabbing fancy paint job scooped hood, 18" fancy rims, swapped engined modded ones and all of that that everyone for the most part seems to want to really see.
And why not, stock Fieros, even mint low mileage ones will only attract a certain amount of interest, except for a few like CoolBlue's where we all just drool over it all day. But then look at the interest of Skitime, KameoKid, CaliKid, Chester, Tina, Rumour, Plazma, Madcurl, etc, etc The more exotic, the more unusual, the more unique, the more people want to see more and more pics of it.
So not soon after arriving at the 20th we quickly realized that I had brought the wrong Fiero, as far as the interest and comments of the many Fiero people we met there at the show.
On here we seem to get a lot of "What were you thinking?".."That is just awefull!" etc, and yet at shows it is a very different situation all together. And I can't tell you how many times we hear in person people telling us how they support us and our cars and don't understand why others would say what they say on the forum.
Just goes to show that you can't always go by all of the comments and opinions on here thats for sure.
As far as what people are saying in this thread, we can all agree and/or disagree just as long as we do it with respect to our fellow Fiero owners

Steve

It will be interesting when I take my GT to the Merimack show.We'll just have to wait and see what will be said about the car.Most of our fellow Fiero enthusiasts at the shows have tolorance for others modifications.Some things I like and some I don't but I keep it to myself.I do know that the 65s raise the car up a little so the car can clear road hadzards better.The bigger tires perform like gyroscopes (as like the wheels on a bicycle do)and make the car more stable.

Great job on the rims!

As far as the tires, what ever makes him happy is cool with me. I'm a white letter man myself.

Some 75's would make that thing sail like a Buick!

quote Originally posted by stimpy: Some 75's would make that thing sail like a Buick!

FACT!!

but, yeh, since i already got a - from you steve, they are ugly.

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Steve. You posted a pic. People told you what they thought of it which the're intitled to. Right? Mabye in yer next post please specify that you only want positive feed back. Since this is the net and i'm shure freedom of speach still applys. This is my opinoin I like the rims they have an anadized look to them. As for the "special" white walls. No.

quote Originally posted by 87V6GT: The bigger tires perform like gyroscopes (as like the wheels on a bicycle do)and make the car more stable.

I'm sorry but we really need to go back to physics school. 65 series tires will make that thing have enough body roll so you don't even need to make the turn. Why else do high performance cars like Ferrari & Porsche are wide & low profile with thier tires..........."stability"

quote Originally posted by MinnGreenGT: Kind of reminds me of Dayton Wire wheels with a set of overpriced Vogue white walls.

This brings back memories of the Trues and Vogues days. Ah nothing like the late 80s.

I guess if you drive and 80s car you might as well have 80s looking wheels. As long as he likes it, I suppose.

quote Originally posted by PURPLE REIGN: I'm sorry but we really need to go back to physics school. 65 series tires will make that thing have enough body roll so you don't even need to make the turn. Why else do high performance cars like Ferrari & Porsche are wide & low profile with thier tires..........."stability"

Thank you! Now I dont need to type as much.

quote Originally posted by Oneredfiero: Steve. You posted a pic. People told you what they thought of it which the're intitled to. Right? Mabye in yer next post please specify that you only want positive feed back. Since this is the net and i'm shure freedom of speach still applys. This is my opinoin I like the rims they have an anadized look to them. As for the "special" white walls. No.

Maybe you should reread what I typed then. I have said in more than one post now that it is ok to disagree as long as it is done with civility and without insulting the other person. You do agree with that, Right?

The tires are 215/65/15 and 205/65/15 Dunlop. They are the same width as the 215/60/15s,just a wee bit taller.The rims would look better maybe with the white walls if I had painted them all black. Maybe I'll try it some day and see how that would look.

quote Originally posted by MiZer: but, yeh, since i already got a - from you steve, they are ugly.

Really? You can see my ratings list? I didn't know that Cliff made it so we can see each others ratings now. When did this happen?
Or is it that maybe you are seeing a few more negs tacked onto your bar lately (how shocking) and assumed it must have been me?
Well, I just checked Mizer and I actually have you at a neutral. Yeah I was kind of surprised too actually. Don't believe me, I know Cliff can see them and could verify it. But since you "think" I have you at a neg and so based on your comment above you want to treat me unfairly, or more importantly in this case treat my Dad unfairly because of it (it's his car BTW and his rims and tires since you obviously missed that part), I am not sure what else I can say to your comment. I guess that since you want to assume (now why would you even assume I had? Guilty concience?) I could always change my rating for you so it more reflects what you think you should be at if that would make you feel a little better. I would have to assume though that it is what you want, but thankfully I am not like you.

I find it amusing that you seem to think critisism = unfair treatment .. when in fact lieing would be unfair

either he did it because HE likes it or he did it for other peoples approval and praise.. if he likes em then it doesn't matter if others don't critisism is a part of life everyone should understand and know how to handle.. if he did it for others aproval then the critisism should be taken constructively and put to use the next time a change is made.

you make it seem like if you post something and people don't like it they aren't allowed to say " I don't like that"

it is their choice whether to restrain from responding or not just as it was your choice to post it knowing full well that you should expect good and bad responces.

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quote Originally posted by 87V6GT: The tires are 215/65/15 and 205/65/15 Dunlop.

That's spelled " Dun-hop" ............and for good reason.

quote The rims would look better maybe with the white walls if I had painted them all black. Maybe I'll try it some day and see how that would look.

Hmmmm that would look interesting. Why not get someone to photoshop it in before going to all that work

Kohburn, what the heck are you talking about? Did you actually read any of what I said? Obviously not.
Your babbling on about things I never said and saying the complete oposite of what I actually said.

quote I find it amusing that you seem to think critisism = unfair treatment

Where did I ever say that? Are you basing that on my one comment to Mizer? Did you read his comment?
I said that it was unfair for Mizer to say what he did based on the fact that he thinks I have given him a negative (which in fact I had not). That is wrong and unfair. Don't you agree?

quote you make it seem like if you post something and people don't like it they aren't allowed to say " I don't like that"

Again I will ask you to please show me where I ever said that?. Please, show me where I ever said that here?
Let me say it again. You can absolutely say you don't like it if that is the case. You disagree or don't like it and want to say so, no problem. What you shouldn't be allowed to do is be mean, insulting, rude and nasty when saying your opinion. This sort of thing is also very nicely covered by one of Cliff's rules for those who don't know or have again forgotten:

quote Keep it civilized! It's ok to disagree with someone. Really, it is. But it's not ok to call someone a "toad licking monkey waxer" just because he disagrees. It'll make you actually look like one. Name-calling will most likely get you a bad rating. At the very least, it will cause the thread to end up in the Trash Can, and at its very worst it will get you banned.

Now luckily there hasn't been any real name calling in here, but some of the comments have certainly gone way beyond the "I don't like that" stage that you know is acceptable wouldn't you agree?

BTW people: It's a set of tires. And they are not even lime green. Too funny.

quote Originally posted by 87V6GT: They are the same width as the 215/60/15s,just a wee bit taller.

Increased sidewall height increases tire roll when cornering. This reduces the cornering and handling of the car as there is more sidewall flex. It does make the car ride slightly softer, But many prefer to increase handling not decrease it.
The sidewall height has been increased .4" and your speedo is now off by 3.4%. So at 60mph on the speedo, you are really going 62mph.
The wheels look great. I know how hard they are to refinish. As for the tires, Let's just say it's not something I would do.

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quote Originally posted by Fiero5: Kohburn, what the heck are you talking about? Did you actually read any of what I said? Obviously not. Your babbling on about things I never said and saying the complete oposite of what I actually said.

uh.. yes.. thats what my comment is based on .. did you think i needed a braille version to understand what you said and your attitude in response to ALL critisism whether tactfully worded or not.

quote Now luckily there hasn't been any real name calling in here, but some of the comments have certainly gone way beyond the "I don't like that" stage that you know is acceptable wouldn't you agree?

true, not how I would word things, but frankly thats just part of life, especially on the net.

quote BTW people: It's a set of tires. And they are not even lime green. Too funny.

then why get so upset when people don't like em? no need to turn this into a witch hunt

quote Originally posted by Kohburn: then why get so upset when people don't like em? no need to turn this into a witch hunt

Where's the witch hunt? I have only pointed it out when it was said in a mean or hurtfull way.
Holy cow, can we move on already?

Here's my final thought on this design. The car has potential and can improve, In my opinion the whole tire setup doesn't fit that car at all( it's a pontiac not a Cadillac) Whitewall tires is more of a luxuary item then a sports car item.

Gold rims is a good color and could look decent on this setup, But the whitewalls pretty much destroy that purpose.
The red and white pinstrip near the areo molding helps in making hte whole car look mith matched.

If anyone remembered the old colors or my car, Silver with black rims and yellow calipiers, I started a thread kind of like this asking opinions, And ppl gave honest ones about the overall look of the car. Instead of taking it as a threat. I actually listened and painted the whole car black.

everyone on this thread gave there opinions steve, Why not simply listen to some of them? If you asked me what I thought about that car in person, I would give my honest opinion and flat out say, I don't care for it.

If I posted and said I actually liked it, Then that would be lying.

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