quote Originally posted by Black-Azz-GT: This thread is GAY

This thread is not gay...... It's VERY GAY!!

wow I just got a subaru legacy I like it and now they come with the WRX setup on them.
My point is the car is fast! and it's gona kill my fiero, but its not a fiero,
The point of driving a fiero is because it's a fiero. fun to drive and not everybody has them.
anybody can go to the dealership and pick up a handa!! and bold on some stuff.

But like some people say: You are what U drive!
some people drive Fords (People I get stuck behind doing 50 in a 55)
some people drive GM's (usualy the speed limit or more)
some people drive Honda (people I pass as soon as the light turns green)

quote Originally posted by Pyric: Now THAT is some fast $h!t .

hehe it is indeed...

all im gonna say is show me another car from the mid 80's that you could buy for under 18k that will out run a fiero...other than other GM products... lets see. mustang after about 80 it wins, no japanese cars, no euro cars... well looks like i dont know of any cars that are 20 years old that can as much as keep up w/ a fiero which w/ a v6 is running on about 30 something year old engine technology... damn it sucks to know that

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quote Originally posted by TaurusThug: all im gonna say is show me another car from the mid 80's that you could buy for under 18k that will out run a fiero...other than other GM products... lets see. mustang after about 80 it wins, no japanese cars, no euro cars... well looks like i dont know of any cars that are 20 years old that can as much as keep up w/ a fiero which w/ a v6 is running on about 30 something year old engine technology... damn it sucks to know that

I believe the Dodge Omni GLHS was a lil bit faster then a Fiero. From what I can find on it,
175HP
175Ft. lbs of torque
about 2300lbs
cost about 13K
6.7 0-60
14.9 at 95 quarter

thatz funny!! But true. !!!!! seem like the turbo trend died for a while and now it's back
I do find it hard to beleve that GM did nothing much with turbos
funny how things go round!

quote Originally posted by NYfastback: thatz funny!! But true. !!!!! seem like the turbo trend died for a while and now it's back I do find it hard to beleve that GM did nothing much with turbos funny how things go round!

GM did the BEST with turbos...err...turbo.......The 1987 Buick Grand National

"How much rice could a rice burner burn, if a rice burner could burn rice?"

[This message has been edited by sardonyx247 (edited 08-22-2004).]

quote Originally posted by 86GT2m6: the 85 civic/crx is comparable to the tech4 fieros. go by 88 fiero gt vs 88 civic/crx si.. honda would win. my old cars were a 88-91 crx and a civic hatchback. both sporting the b16a1(160hp/111tq stock) with bolt-ons and ignition upgrade w/ vtec controller, launched nearly as good as AWD eclipse and it would scream from 5300-8k rpm to walk it. NOW for the rest of the civic/hybrids. i really dont like them unless its an oldschool hatch. BTW, it ran 14.1-14.3 consistently on street tires.

I'm sorry but I have to say something here (first post here, friend owns a fiero)

There is no way any front loader is going to launch anything like a rwd/awd, even on slicks much less street tires. I didnt see an LSD listed in there? Can we say one tire fire? :-D

Also a low 14 isn't going to "walk" any awd eclipse with anything more than an exhaust, fuel pump and mbc.

When it ran my friends fiero launched very well, assuming the clutch and tires were decent it would be a very good race out of the hole against my AWD Talon but the 2.8 fell off quickly after that.

I really respect the fiero, it is a nice 2 seater car, handles well, can take many engine swaps easily enough, and its not a Ford. Thier downfall is thier stock engines, even the 2.8 is nothing terribly impessive but like stated previously several times comparing a stock car to a modded car is stupid. Put equal mods on both cars and very quickly you will find the downfall of a FF car with "high" HP...

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[This message has been edited by Sean4852 (edited 08-22-2004).]

I vote for the thread to go to the trash..... WOOOT !!

This is a fiero forum.... Not a honda forum...... I can care less about honda's or any other car, I only care about hearing about fiero's.

[This message has been edited by 86fieroEarl (edited 08-22-2004).]

OK OK I hate this! it is a bad one, But it's so fun to read!!!
I do not wish to take over but I don't think anybody cares!!
I drive a fiero for an everyday summer car Just thinking about what everybodys
driving for a car on normal day if it's not a fiero!!!
In NY it seems that the rice is for the winter because if you go off the road you can
just go buy another one!!

ehh i didnt want to come back to the thread but yes we slip the clutch out to keep the tires from spinning. it is hard to get traction with FWD, i slip my clutch out far in 1st, but once i hit 2nd and 3rd is when she really starts spinning (max boost) and even with drag radials she will spin alot (wish i had a LSD) but anyways even with a fiero you dont want to just dump the clutch - yes you say you rather buy tires then clutches but you will be breaking clutches and trannys if you just dump the clutch. I can do a clutch job in my honda in about 2 hours so if I got to do the clutch its no big deal for me but with my Dual Friction clutch it doesnt seem to wear much and I do slip it alot. I pull my tranny off to cheak the clutch out probably once a month and she is mint (I just like to take messurments) in my honda.

you say your compairing stock vs modded, that b16 engine is stock and just not available in the US except in the 99/00 si

someone mentioned that the crx does not have rear disk brakes? the Si's are rear disk, they are fully independant suspention all around and will probably out stop a fiero (or atlest last longer before brake fade)

Not all people that own honda's are ricers you guys are pretty much raciest against them. I have pretty much no money into my honda and it is pretty quick I think considering what I have done to it. maybe in your guys area all honda drivers are ricers but in alot of areas where the street racing is bigger you willl find that most hondas are preetty quick - the ones that look stock are usally the faster ones.

once again I got probably around $2000 into my honda including the car, it gets 38mpg on average and runs low 13's and is my daily driver, never gives me any problems, nothing breaks, it is a very fun car. I havent even touched internals or even attempted to tune it
to get a fiero to match it would be very hard.

ahh these subjects on this forum are very hard to fight because so many people are against honda's but anyways guys open up and realize there are alot of fast hondas out there that are not rice.

oh and Yes a moderate size spoiler on a honda will help stability at high speeds
also putting a chin spoiler and scoops on your fiero is just exactly like putting a body kit on a civic - someone personalizing there car

Im off this topic before I get any madder but guys realize that not every honda is a ricer

Kyle

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1988 Fierhoe Formula 2M6 5 Speed - CRX Intake, NOS dry kit, ZEX Ejector Air Amplifier, Taylor Wires, NGK UR5 plugs, MSD 6AL Ignition /w 2 step rev control, MSD Blaster 3 coil, WCF dog bone, WCF engine mount, Autometer Ultra-Lite guages (A/F,Vac.), KYB GR2's, Sequential turn signals, Rapid 3rd brake light....
Recurring donator
1995 Honduh civic EX - turbocharged B18B1 13.2 @ 107 on stock internals and junk yard turbo set up with PVC pipe

quote Originally posted by p8ntman442: I know of one hyundai elantra at kick hill that would have stomped all fieros that showed up, including the 4.9 powered one. Anyone who saw what bob had done to that car knows what im talking about.

Does that Elantra happen to have an intercooler sticking up out of the hood at a funny angle?

quote Originally posted by 85 Fiero 3.1: I think the hatchbacks are between 2100 and 2300 pounds depending on the model.

Mom's 96 is 2400 - 2500 or so. It's an ex (has a tach/sunroof unlike the dx which lacks both) with a 5 speed. No power off the line below 3k.

I test drove a '88 I think CRX Si before. Had a B16 swap done I believe, not exactly sure, he just said it came out of a Civic Type R from Japan. I thought it seemed pretty fast, so I timed it to the tune of 10 seconds 0-60. The guy said the best he's run it was a 14.7 or so using drag radials.

quote Originally posted by iced_theater: I test drove a '88 I think CRX Si before. Had a B16 swap done I believe, not exactly sure, he just said it came out of a Civic Type R from Japan. I thought it seemed pretty fast, so I timed it to the tune of 10 seconds 0-60. The guy said the best he's run it was a 14.7 or so using drag radials.

not that i don't believe you, but how do you run 10 sec's 0-60 and pull a 14.7 in the 1/4? he a really good driver, or did you kill the tires off the line? what happened?

-Fish

quote Originally posted by cooguyfish: not that i don't believe you, but how do you run 10 sec's 0-60 and pull a 14.7 in the 1/4? he a really good driver, or did you kill the tires off the line? what happened? -Fish

I didn't drop or feather the clutch at 7K rpm to get a good launch. Plus, he had small, cheap, street tires on when I drove it. He had drag radials when he drove it.

Can someone tell me if Honda makes a V8???..................NO I guess Honda doesnt make a V8! "A car company that doesnt even have a V8"
The Cold Hard Redneck Truth!
Im not trying to affend anyone, so please dont lecture me on Honda history or anything. Just trying to point out the Ovious. (I could be wrong, maybe honda does have a V8, but Ive never heard of it)
Just helping the Pontiac Side!

i wasnt goign to post here, but i have just a couple things to say. i appreciate the hondas, i really do. i use to work for honda and i know what they are caplble of. but the truth is, a quick front wheel drive car is hard to launch. getting it into the 13's isnt too hard, but try to go faster, and you will start breaking things. and it will cost alot more to get it to run a second or 2 faster. (gotta start beefin up trannys, drive axles, ect.) and on one more note, lets say you take that honda running 13's or so with the turbo and wheel spin. what happends if you decide to turboa v6 or v8? you make alot mroe power more rapidly. that is why there are very fast v6 and v8 (not only fieros) cars ou there that are rear wheel drive. gotta love forced induction though! just my $.02

quote Originally posted by KRMFiero: ehh i didnt want to come back to the thread but yes we slip the clutch out to keep the tires from spinning. it is hard to get traction with FWD, i slip my clutch out far in 1st, but once i hit 2nd and 3rd is when she really starts spinning (max boost) and even with drag radials she will spin alot (wish i had a LSD) but anyways even with a fiero you dont want to just dump the clutch - yes you say you rather buy tires then clutches but you will be breaking clutches and trannys if you just dump the clutch. I can do a clutch job in my honda in about 2 hours so if I got to do the clutch its no big deal for me but with my Dual Friction clutch it doesnt seem to wear much and I do slip it alot. I pull my tranny off to cheak the clutch out probably once a month and she is mint (I just like to take messurments) in my honda. you say your compairing stock vs modded, that b16 engine is stock and just not available in the US except in the 99/00 si someone mentioned that the crx does not have rear disk brakes? the Si's are rear disk, they are fully independant suspention all around and will probably out stop a fiero (or atlest last longer before brake fade) Not all people that own honda's are ricers you guys are pretty much raciest against them. I have pretty much no money into my honda and it is pretty quick I think considering what I have done to it. maybe in your guys area all honda drivers are ricers but in alot of areas where the street racing is bigger you willl find that most hondas are preetty quick - the ones that look stock are usally the faster ones. once again I got probably around $2000 into my honda including the car, it gets 38mpg on average and runs low 13's and is my daily driver, never gives me any problems, nothing breaks, it is a very fun car. I havent even touched internals or even attempted to tune it to get a fiero to match it would be very hard. ahh these subjects on this forum are very hard to fight because so many people are against honda's but anyways guys open up and realize there are alot of fast hondas out there that are not rice. oh and Yes a moderate size spoiler on a honda will help stability at high speeds also putting a chin spoiler and scoops on your fiero is just exactly like putting a body kit on a civic - someone personalizing there car Im off this topic before I get any madder but guys realize that not every honda is a ricer Kyle

KMR, I agree with you ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL cars have big potential with the right amount of time and$$$$...

I thought we all love cars here... I have a VW Karmann Ghia and VW are much faster on cheap engine mods out of an air cooled 4 cyl... You can run from 9s - 12s with a 2.0 - 2.5 4 cyl stoked engine.. Faster and cheaper than Fieros and hondas... Does this mean that all other cars are crap? Hondas are better refine and technology is on there side!!! We have rare SWEEEEEET cars that have an EXOTIC make up, look, and history.. Love all cars!!!!

I embrace all cars with personality and an unique style/history... We had this and like it or not! The Import cars are the "New Hot Rods" "The New Muscle car" Just as the Mustang and Camaro/Fire Bird etc... was in the 60s!!!!

I'm not a big American car fan... But I like cars that are fun and you guys make Fieros fun and the exp very cool...

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85' Fiero 5spd notchback
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65' Karmann Ghia
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[This message has been edited by The_Ikon (edited 08-24-2004).]

I kind of agree with Ikon. This current F&F craze is like a new muscle car era, except now imports are leading in technology. There are 4-cylinders out there that run like V8s. Personally I wouldn't buy an Import, because I think the cars look ugly as hell, and I like to support domestic companies. The Fiero is old technology, but I love it because its unique. You can buy a Mustang or a Civic or something like that and just be part of the crowd, or you can get a Fiero and stand out as an individual. When it comes to making cars fast, if you have enough money, you can make any car as fast as you want it. I'd rather get a Fiero and make it fast and unique rather than getting a Eclipse. There's nothing quite like driving around and having people think your car is a Ferrari, when you only paid like 1/10 the price of one .

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1988 Pontiac Fiero GT, 2.8L V6 Automatic
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quote Originally posted by Exdeath: This current F&F craze is like a new muscle car era, except now imports are leading in technology.

I disagree. The current muscle car era is the Mustang Cobra, Corvette ZR1, Dodge Viper and the late great Camaro and Firebird LS1.
The Fast & Furious craze is much more like the mid-'70's "hot rod" craze where it was all about big wheels, garish paint and huge scoops on the the hood - with little or not performance modification to the car.

It's two entirely different schools of thought. Sure, there are some Import fans that are out for power, and there are some domestic fans who are only into the looks (i.e. V6 Firebirds and Mustangs with huge wings and a fart can), but for the most part the "Import Tuner" crowd is far more interested in looking good than going fast.

I respect anyone who makes their car fast, but I wouldn't own a modded Honda if you gave it to me. I'd sell it to buy stuff I actually liked. Personal preference, that's all. Hondas are great cars, but I'm not interested in one other than possibly as a gas sipping commuter. If I wanted to mod a Honda, I'd be on a Honda board.

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quote Originally posted by Formula88: I disagree. The current muscle car era is the Mustang Cobra, Corvette ZR1, Dodge Viper and the late great Camaro and Firebird LS1.

and don't forget the new Pontaic GTO
Funny all american cars in that list.

and as for being a stock engine just a different imported car.....duh.....an LS1-LS6 is stock too.

If you want to start comparing boosted cars vs boosted cars. Take a good ol' all american car like the Buick GN, enough said.

and lets forget cars like the supra tt, rx7 tt, 3000gt vr4, dsm cars, 300zx tt...

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88 fiero coupe. 2.8/5 spd (last driven sept 02)
90 eclipse

quote Originally posted by Exdeath: Personally I wouldn't buy an Import, because I think the cars look ugly as hell, and I like to support domestic companies.

You do know that as long as a car has 51% of its parts made/assembled in the US it is still considered a domestic right? Alot of domestic car makers have alot of thier parts made in canada and/or mexico. Also, A 90-99 Mitsu Eclipse was built in Normal, IL and by percentage WAS a domestic car...

Theroretically if you were to buy a new Honda where would you buy it from? A dealer most likely right? Who works at that dealership? Thats right, American workers. Who works on the car in the shop? Right, an American worker. Who delivered the car to the dealership? Right, an American owned trucking company with an American driver burning fuel sold in America. Seeing the pattern? Just because the car did not come 100% from the US does not mean you are not supporting the economy by buying one.

quote Originally posted by Exdeath: it comes to making cars fast, if you have enough money, you can make any car as fast as you want it. I'd rather get a Fiero and make it fast and unique rather than getting a Eclipse.

The car you choose is up to you, if you'd rather have a Fiero go for it. Your car may be more unique than an Eclipse but dollar for dollar the Eclipse will be faster so its kind of a moot point. Which do you want? Best bang for your buck for speed or to have a more unique car? Also, making a car unique can be done by other ways then just buying a fairly uncommon car, IE body kits, different engine's, sleeper/non-sleeper, paint color/themes, ect.

quote Originally posted by Exdeath: There's nothing quite like driving around and having people think your car is a Ferrari, when you only paid like 1/10 the price of one .

People put body kits, wings, cf hoods, ect on thier cars so the general public see's the car and says "Whao! That car looks really fast" since originally the stuff was designed for cars that were acctually fast and the parts had some benifits (ie. weight reduction and downforce) and people just decided to put them on thier slow cars. True enthusiasts however know that the car is slow and simply call the car a poser and move on with thier lives. Same concept w/ your car, it may look like a ferrari which is a very well engineered car that goes very fast, but in reality (and dont take this the wrong way) it is a nice mid engine car with with lots of potential but has a very shitty engine (I know, i've had many 2.8's)

If you dont like a Honda/Mitsu/Acura/Nissan/Whatever dont buy one. Just dont b*tch about getting your A$$ handed to you the next day when you come accross one that knows how to spend thier money wisely

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Last time I checked...the eclipses that are faster than Fieros cost more than Fieros so I don't understand how thats more bang for your buck? The V6 ones are the newer ones and I may be wrong but I'm pretty sure those are more than $10,000 and for that much you can have a S/C 3800 in a fiero that will kill any eclipse. If you wan't bang for your buck buy a Fiero w/o an engine for $500 and put a S/C3800, LT1, etc. in it for 5 or 6 grand and you'll beat almost any import out there.
That is true bang for your buck.

you obviously haven't done your homework then. 3g eclipses are junk. hence in my post i said dsm cars. go hunt down a 1g dsm sometime. they're cheap, and go fast for cheap. there's a lot of dsms running fast times with little money invested, and they're doing it on stock engines w/stock internals. bang for the buck usually doesn't involve a five thousand dollar engine swap. take a look around sometime. i'll even give you a head start.

http://www.2bluesc.com/quarter-mile.php?sort=engine&order=desc
http://www.dsmtimes.org/awd.htm

the 14b is the stock turbo.

edit to add this link. http://www.diamondstarmotorsport.com/shoptalon.shtml stock turbo, stock longblock.

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90 eclipse

[This message has been edited by trigger (edited 09-01-2004).]

quote Originally posted by Silicoan86: Last time I checked...the eclipses that are faster than Fieros cost more than Fieros so I don't understand how thats more bang for your buck? The V6 ones are the newer ones and I may be wrong but I'm pretty sure those are more than $10,000 and for that much you can have a S/C 3800 in a fiero that will kill any eclipse. If you wan't bang for your buck buy a Fiero w/o an engine for $500 and put a S/C3800, LT1, etc. in it for 5 or 6 grand and you'll beat almost any import out there. That is true bang for your buck.

I said 90-99 Eclipses, IE DSM's. Turbo, AWD 4cly.

You can get a good first gen (90-94) awd for 1500-2500 dollars, even cheaper if you want a fixer upper or dont care what the body looks like. Throw in a fuel pump($90), boost controller(can make your own for $5 or buy one for $50), boost gauge(25-100 depending on if you want fancy lights or something), full exhaust (built mine for 160, or buy one for 600-800), and a filter($40) and your into the 13's for about 3k total investment. After that you get a set of injectors ($280), SAFC($280), hack the maf (free) or get a 2g maf ($50) or a gm maft setup ($240), do some back roads tuning and your mid 12's for less than 4k total. Now throw in a front mount ($1k) , a turbo ($1k) and cams ($600)and your mid 11's for less than 7k total investment. Also note that all this is prices for brand new parts and only an average driver and tuner, no nitrous, street tires, if you are good you can go alot faster for even less by using nitrous or having it tuned very well and being a very good driver. You dont even need to open the engine unless your running > 450hp these cars, thats bang for buck

http://www.dsmtalk.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=52040&highlight=%24775