Ahh this honda vs fiero will never be ended

a 2.8 fiero will run with a sohc civic ex vtec both about 16 sec cars.

a 2.5 fiero will run with like a 90 base model civic with a 4 speed

ONLY 116 Ft. lbs of torque?........wow does Honda use the same motors for there lawnmowers and cars?? The only Hondas I see around here have white taillights and a 7 inch exuast tip, and the owners care more about subs, dubs, and pubs(whatever the hell that means) than mods to their engine. The only Honda I respect would be the S2000(RWD), but even thoes have only have 161 ft. lbs of torque!!(A fiero has more!) THE FACT IS THAT MOST CIVICS U SEE with a giant spoiler and a huge exuast tip are entirelly

I think it's pathetic that we feel we must compare our cars to Honda Civics!!!
Now if we were racing z28's or Vette's or Ferrarri's then-----then---then
but does it make you proud to beat a Civic?? If so then maybe you need to call Archie!!!!!

I've killed 99-00 SI's, the newer si hatches (some with ihe), 97+ preludes at the track in my 87 gt w/ just wcf manifolds, spintech exhaust, and cold air intake, removed emissions crap, 255's on the back i can't spin at all, hehe ... killed a gutted eg si hatch w/ IHE when I was stock on 4 different runs.

most sohc hondas are 16-17 or even 18 second cars if driven hard ...
the si/preludes are not that fast with just bolt ons ... do some cams, more aggresive final drives than we are talking ...

I like hondas, learning how to tool with uberdata & hondata, even helped a few friends out working on their cars.

I've gotten my ass kicked by type-s rsx's, etc ....

I myself want a honda, along side of my fiero in my garage ....

I want 92-95 (eg) hatchback w/ a k20 type-R swap (comes from the japanese rsx type-S, which they call the integra type-R over there) ... basically a 220hp NA 4cyl stock w/ a 6spd tranny that comes with an LSD & 4.76 final drive ...

and i'd basically do comptech ceramic headers, a test pipe, thermal r&d exhaust, hondata intake gasket, and individual throttle bodys, then tune with uberdata or hondata. Might want cams as well *shrugs*

Would make for a fun fast fwd car.

Fieros can beat a lot of hondas stock for stock ... but hondas do have the advantage of a huge aftermarket, and are easily tuneable. The newer honda performance engines are superior to just about every other companys, and have been for a long time, look at the blocks, the sleeving, ease to work on, tuneability.

However, Rotaries are still the best!!!! & I love my fiero.

Rats ..... It's funny how they closed the thread.

quote Originally posted by justa6: i could have sworn that double clutching was when you push the clutch in....take it out of gear........let clutch out in nutral........push clutch back in.........put in next gear.........let clutch out. it is to help save on the transmission and clutch. correct my if im wrong though Joel 87 GT 5-speed

You are correct. Double-clutching is how you shift on a transmission that doesn't have synchros, like a tractor trailer. You shift out of gear into neutral, then shift from neutral into the next gear (releasing the clutch while in neutral). It's called double-clutching because you have to push the clutch in twice for each shift.

Pushing in the clutch to shift is called "shifting."
Shifting without the clutch at all is called "flat shifting" (i.e. gas pedal flat on the floor) or "power shifting"
"Floating the gears" is a term I've not heard before, but it sounds like shifting in normal driving without the clutch. I've done that a few times in my Fiero. You just have to make sure the revs are matched before you shift.

personally I only double clutch and revmatch when downshifting - just a habit i formed for smoother transitions... i have driven without a clutch at all when my clutch broke and got jammed on

quote Originally posted by justa6: i could have sworn that double clutching was when you push the clutch in....take it out of gear........let clutch out in nutral........push clutch back in.........put in next gear.........let clutch out. it is to help save on the transmission and clutch. correct my if im wrong though

To the " Ricer World" double clutching is when the car is in WOT and in one of the top gears, the driver pushes the clutch just a little bit to bring the revs up and let the clutch fully engage again ( you get kind of a little boost ) my friend used to do it all the time to his little honda accord.

lmao - thats pretty funny --- actually some of these cars that make all there power up top - the fastest 1/4 mile pass is by revving the engine to its peak hp rpm - letting the clutch out as fast as you can without it bringing the revs down ... basiclly slipping the clutch all the way to the finish line... run through clutches rather fast if you don't just glaze it over after one pass... but thats how they squeeze times out of some of em for the magazines

quote Originally posted by 1987GTproject: ONLY 116 Ft. lbs of torque?........wow does Honda use the same motors for there lawnmowers and cars?? The only Hondas I see around here have white taillights and a 7 inch exuast tip, and the owners care more about subs, dubs, and pubs(whatever the hell that means) than mods to their engine. The only Honda I respect would be the S2000(RWD), but even thoes have only have 161 ft. lbs of torque!!(A fiero has more!) THE FACT IS THAT MOST CIVICS U SEE with a giant spoiler and a huge exuast tip are entirelly

ONLY the S2000? Forgeting about the NSX? Only Honda I would ever really want.

PS: While we are on the honda subject, is the de sol front or mid engined. Always have been courious about those things

front engine - rear trunk with roll down rear flat glass

I like the removable roof that the del sol have. like a t-top without the t brace.

quote Originally posted by Formula88: You are correct. Double-clutching is how you shift on a transmission that doesn't have synchros, like a tractor trailer. You shift out of gear into neutral, then shift from neutral into the next gear (releasing the clutch while in neutral). It's called double-clutching because you have to push the clutch in twice for each shift. Pushing in the clutch to shift is called "shifting." Shifting without the clutch at all is called "flat shifting" (i.e. gas pedal flat on the floor) or "power shifting" "Floating the gears" is a term I've not heard before, but it sounds like shifting in normal driving without the clutch. I've done that a few times in my Fiero. You just have to make sure the revs are matched before you shift.

Your right about the Floating the Gears.. In a Semi the Gears are large enough that they are alot easer to float. The only time I use the Clutch when driving a Semi is Starting from first or Stopping... If I stop in Gear.

quote Originally posted by roys88fiero: To the " Ricer World" double clutching is when the car is in WOT and in one of the top gears, the driver pushes the clutch just a little bit to bring the revs up and let the clutch fully engage again ( you get kind of a little boost ) my friend used to do it all the time to his little honda accord.

I thought that was called "slipping the clutch". I wondered about that goofy "not double-clutchin' like ya should" comment in FnF comment up until I heard him say "you're lucky that hunderd shot a nawzz didn't blow the welds on the intake". I knew I was in for a good one after that

quote Originally posted by caddyrocket: I thought that was called "slipping the clutch".

You are correct - that is slipping the clutch. And it also reduces your clutch life since pushing the pedal only a little to raise the revs means the clutch is slipping, but isn't fully disengaged. Ricers have to do crap like that because their cars have only 100 lb-ft of torque.

Ahhhh nothing like an ammature riding the clutch. "No you idiot that isnt the smell of Burning rubber.... That is the smell of Clutch Material Burning"
LOL

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Walks away shaking his head in anger and digust-----------

Yup, completly forgot about the NSX. Very Nice Car, but for $90,000!!??? Its way overpriced. If GM brought back a mid-engine car to compete with the NSX they would probably sticker it for $$50,000 less. But your right JKobra Id love to own one too!

When the name Honda and ricer comes to mind I remember this song

http://www.angelfire.com/tn3/kaitlyn/vtec1.mp3

I wont respect hondas until one blows my doors off, and here in Pocatello Idaho I never had one stay close with my old 2.8....I had to get the 3800 to keep up with the real cars

Why are we still having this discussion?

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quote Originally posted by AusFiero: Well if we are going to go stock for stock how does an 85 Civic compare to an 85 GT?

the 85 civic/crx is comparable to the tech4 fieros.

go by 88 fiero gt vs 88 civic/crx si.. honda would win.

my old cars were a 88-91 crx and a civic hatchback. both sporting the b16a1(160hp/111tq stock) with bolt-ons and ignition upgrade w/ vtec controller, launched nearly as good as AWD eclipse and it would scream from 5300-8k rpm to walk it. NOW for the rest of the civic/hybrids. i really dont like them unless its an oldschool hatch. BTW, it ran 14.1-14.3 consistently on street tires.

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Black 86' 2m6 w/ GT wing/front end
4 spd muncie (broke)

NEED new tranny.

quote Originally posted by Formula88: You are correct - that is slipping the clutch. And it also reduces your clutch life since pushing the pedal only a little to raise the revs means the clutch is slipping, but isn't fully disengaged. Ricers have to do crap like that because their cars have only 100 lb-ft of torque.

correction i "feather" the clutch so my 91 Eclipse GSX AWD wouldnt bog at the line and get the best launch as possible. mind you it had way over 300++hp and tq to the wheels.

hondas have to do it not cause of lack of torque but lack of weight and it being FF. when you drop the clutch at 4k rpm or more on street tires your just gonna burn away your tires and wheel hop. you feather the clutch and i would be right next to your Fiero or mine off the line. and if that car has vtec and you have no FI then you might as well pull over.

When I toast you you will wonder if its a type R my 1.6 liter is the bomb..........................I live my life 18 seconds at a time for those 18 seconds im free...... I gotz rice running in mi viens and I think that I might go insane yo yo.... Cruzing at da mall My neons can be seen from mars..... I Browse in the jc whitney catalog wondering if they got the double decker spoiler for my car..... I might have to drop some serious bling bling as I sing.... I turn my hat sideways as hit the pepboys I shop for my car like im picking cavyar.

Im sporting phat exhaust tips they are as big as my @$#@# yo yo.

Noughting against civics there very nice dailey drivers but thats about it

quote Originally posted by AusFiero: Well if we are going to go stock for stock how does an 85 Civic compare to an 85 GT?

I don't know about elsewhere in the world, but my wife's 88 civic was slow. I could waste her easy in my 93 Nissan Sentra.
My brother had my fiero at the time and I could not canth him if I wanted too in MY car, let alone her Honda. I don't think a stock (US version) honda would stand a chance.

That honda's take-off was like it was made of lead..

they can be quick if you abuse the hell out of em tho
which is why i like an engine with good torque - you can drive it casual and it'll be fast

JESUS CHRIST PEOPLE ENOUGH ALREADY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Please let this RICER thread DIE!!!!

I could never understand how someone who owns a Fiero, and has a Honda, and want to "tune" it????

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88GT 5 spd Red w/grey int. Interior out, taking engine apart.
88GT 5 spd Red w/tan int. engine swap later....still doesnt run well.
87GT auto, Maroon,grey, w/grey int. MamaPenguins Car....3800 S/C swap has begun.
85 2M4, Blue, 5 spd, w/ GT body on it.
87GT 5 spd 2.8L Silver w/grey int.

My friend has a fresh B16A swap. It is good to around 8200. The car according to Edmunds weighs 2127 lbs. Basically it will obliterate any stock Fiero. This swap is good for around 14.5 IIRC. I went for a ride in the car on Thursday, when VTEC kicks in, the car howls. I had a video clip, but it did not turn out well. While this is not a fair comparison, that wasnt the question, the short and simple answer is the Fiero will lose.

I really dont understand a gross hatred for something based on a nameplate. I would understand if people said, I dont like Honda because they do such and such. But the I dont like them because they are crap, or whatever reason seems narrow-minded.

Lonzo

I Agree "The Ricer thread should die".......I dont understand why people keep posting about modded civics vs. a stock fiero.......Modded vs. Stock??? Who the hell cares if a FOURCYLINDERFASTANDFRONTWHEELDRIVEFURIUS modded civic does a 14 sec. qtr. mile. I am now going to vommit. Nothing against fuel economy cars or anything, but come on People!

Sorry to say it, but we have a huge street racing scene out here, and the fiero is hardly worth bringing. I've had some fun stuff done to fieros such as nitrous, turbo, 3.4 NA, and other basic things, and 4 out of 5 civics will pull hard on the fiero. Its true, there are a few ghey looking altezza/body kit/exhaust combo cars that think they're race cars, but a good majority of the others are damn quick..

quote Originally posted by Jncomutt: Sorry to say it, but we have a huge street racing scene out here, and the fiero is hardly worth bringing. I've had some fun stuff done to fieros such as nitrous, turbo, 3.4 NA, and other basic things, and 4 out of 5 civics will pull hard on the fiero. Its true, there are a few ghey looking altezza/body kit/exhaust combo cars that think they're race cars, but a good majority of the others are damn quick..

Funny that you say that you seemed to left out a 3.8 sc 2 fiero or a Lt-1 or a archie kit fiero.... A 3.8 SC 2 FIERO With a pulley kit will wipe it's @ss with a honda.

I have been to races with most honda's and seeing a single stock 5.0 mustang dominate every honda car at the races is just sad. Now if the thread was against a WRX or evo those 2 cars I have seen run fast but I have yet to ever see a civic outrun anything. I have seen 1 honda that was modded here in florida.... And that person has no rice on his car.

I would love to own a honda civic but guess what.... It would stay stock body would look factory (might stick a turbo on it) .

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I know 2 guys. One has a Civic with an Integra engine. He runs about 14.5
(his car is stripped with tacky tires)

The other has a 3400 Fiero, does about 14.5
(his car is pretty much street, not raced prepped)

I know a 3rd guy who has a turbo'd 2.8 Fiero and does 14.5
(his car is actually a show winner)

Modded cars are modded cars. Apples vs Apples.

We've got one stock Fiero on the forum who has done 15.2

Stock Civics just aren't there.

Oranges vs Oranges.

Arn

its all on who wants to spend the money.. I saw a video of a civic waste a lightning and the lightning was pushing 430 HP and something like 500 TQ ran low 12's in the 1/4, up top the turbo on the civic just dominated. I'll try to find the video, but again its all in what you desire a sleeper, or what not.

I know of one hyundai elantra at kick hill that would have stomped all fieros that showed up, including the 4.9 powered one. Anyone who saw what bob had done to that car knows what im talking about.

quote Originally posted by 86GT2m6: correction i "feather" the clutch

Slipping and "feathering" the clutch are the same thing. It's just not letting the clutch fully out so the rpms don't drop as quickly.
You typically do it to some degree in most cars when racing, but the clutch is slipping when you do that and it's generating higher heat and wear when you do it.

When racing my stock Formula, I'll typically rev up to about 3500 rpms and dump the clutch. "Dumping the clutch" means taking your foot off the clutch immediately to instantly release the clutch with little or no slippage. The tires do spin a bit, but with good rubber they don't spin much, and I'd rather burn rubber than burn clutch. Tires are cheaper and easier to replace.

86FieroEarl, I left out the bigger swaps cause then you get into another set of hondas. I'm talking a modded 1.6L against a modded 2.8L.

If u want to throw the 3.8 into the mix, you then have to consider a LSVtec CRX,etc. In which case, again, its determined by the build.

On a whole, a well built 1.6 seems faster down here than any well built 2.8 fiero/cavalier/beretta, etc....

OK I love this thread..... I admit it.. I love rice... infact I think I'll eat some rice... crap it out and strap a turbine engine from an apache copter on it... I'll show you how fast rice can be.....
My point...
people take 32 fords and put 950 hp chevy big blocks in them they are fast.....
anything can be fast if you blow cash on it.......
so strap a Rocket to a piece of do-do and watch how fast it goes...
(in a mclaren f1 owners opinion thats what we do to out fieros)
It's all relative...
dump your money on any car and you can make it fast.. it's all opinion of what car to do it to..........

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This thread is GAY

quote Originally posted by NY_FIERO: so strap a Rocket to a piece of do-do and watch how fast it goes...

Now THAT is some fast $h!t .

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For the record, a stock 2.5L Fiero will beat any 87 or older Civic or CRX (I can kill my brother's friend's stock 87 CRX Si in my 84 SE auto).