Um, yeah. 116 torque = my DUKE will beat it up to around 30-40, a 2.8 shouldn't have any problem, as long as it isn't a top speed race (will win in the 1/4). They weigh the same as our cars, but won't launch as well as they have the FF layout, and we have the MR.
PLUS they're swapping the better engine in their car, so to make it swap fair, we could put in, say, the 3800 Series II Supercharged and completely embarrass them
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Formula88 Member
Posts: 53788 From: Raleigh NC Registered: Jan 2001
I think the Civic may win by virtue of the stick shift vs. the automatic Fiero. But it's only a Honda. It's not like you'd be racing a real car.
This pretty much says it all:
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i def. push an extra 100horseys when vtec kicks in, and if the ac is off.....good god watch out pontiac has nothign to ur honda-race em
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Yeah thats about right,but remember that was stock and spinning coming off the line. There is a site on fieros somewhere ,I've been there before. I think its fiero.net or something like that. A few of those guys are putting 3.4 DOHC V6 engines in their rides and running 10's and 11's easy.
Wow. JDMCivic. Where on a quiet night, you can hear the rice growing.
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I have no idea how much that Civic weighs compared to the Fiero, but that sure doesn't seem like a lot of torque. Especially considering it doesn't make it until past 7K.
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Wesley Member
Posts: 768 From: New Orleans, LA Registered: May 2004
I have no idea how much that Civic weighs compared to the Fiero, but that sure doesn't seem like a lot of torque. Especially considering it doesn't make it until past 7K.
I think the hatchbacks are between 2100 and 2300 pounds depending on the model.
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CTFieroGT87 Member
Posts: 2520 From: Royal Oak, MI Registered: Oct 2002
Yeah the B16 powered civic will spank it. Fiero will get a better launch but thats it.... B16's are fun 8200rpm stock, toss in some valve train stuff and take it to 10 easy
------------------ 1988 Fierhoe Formula 2M6 5 Speed - CRX Intake, NOS dry kit, ZEX Ejector Air Amplifier, Taylor Wires, NGK UR5 plugs, MSD 6AL Ignition /w 2 step rev control, MSD Blaster 3 coil, WCF dog bone, WCF engine mount, Autometer Ultra-Lite guages (A/F,Vac.), KYB GR2's, Sequential turn signals, Rapid 3rd brake light.... Recurring donator 1995 Honduh civic EX - turbocharged B18B1 13.2 @ 107 on stock internals and junk yard turbo set up with PVC pipe
If some of you think that the Stock V6 Fiero will win well you couldnt' be more wrong.
A 92 Hatch weighs like 2400 pounds fully loaded. A Fiero isnt' even close to that.
I ran a b16 swap civic in my Formula 5 spd with aboslultey no options(weighs very little) and spraying a 30 shot and we were dead even from a 5 mph kick. You say it has no torque but that little civic was right next to me the whole time so it def does well off the line. That B16 with intake header and exh is putting down like 145-150 whp. That fiero isn't even close to that.
The fiero will lose big time.
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Oneredfiero Member
Posts: 999 From: Lethbridge Alberta Canada Registered: Mar 2002
Alot of my friends have the b16a in 93, 91, 95 civics and one in a prelude. With a stock 2.8 fiero. I wish you lots of luck but yer still gonna get yer a$$ handed to you. Sorry to say that. I have yet to run one with my 3.1 hummmmm. Trevor.
And they say the Fiero is Heavy, At least the Fiero is Wide enough to be a sports car..... Ya well you could never get me into a Civic... Its not wide enough... Looks like it would roll over if it took a turn to fast. Isnt it cute with that Fiero Wing on it LOL
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ThaFieroMunk Member
Posts: 945 From: Whitby, Ontario, Canada Registered: Dec 2002
I raced a random civic and it must have been very early 90's or late 80's hatch. Don't know what engine it had but the thing beat me just barely and I'm a stock 87 GT auto.
Of course I had my brother with me, whos a bit heavier and some luggage in the back so there was some added weight with me. The guy had a manual civic and I still wonder what engine he had in there. It was a civic Si so I don't know what that means, I really never took the time to learn anything about civics
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Aug 18th, 2004
LoW_KeY Member
Posts: 8081 From: Hastings, MI Registered: Oct 2001
Yeah the B16 powered civic will spank it. Fiero will get a better launch but thats it.... B16's are fun 8200rpm stock, toss in some valve train stuff and take it to 10 easy
sorry but a b16 will need a lot of valve train work to run in the 10's i have seen one civic run faster than a 10 and that was a fully gutted civic with a turbo along with other mods and a roll cage and **** and that guy said when his v-tec kicks in he gets like 100hp i hope he was joking because a b16 with vtec at most puts out 160 so he was saying without vtec he has 60 hp?
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86GT3.4DOHC Member
Posts: 10007 From: Marion Ohio Registered: Apr 2004
But I like the whoe 116 ft lbs of torque. Basicaly my lug nuts take more torque than his engine can make. He may make 160 HP (and I wouldnt be suprised if his ass dyno is reading a little high) but thats not far from the Fiero at 140. However ~180 lbs is a LOT more than 116, and we all know HP sells cars, torque wins races. The only problem there might be is the Fiero is a slush box, which is hitting it where it counts, the Fiero is great for low end, and an auto takes some of that away.
Though I agree, hes swapped the biggest engine into that thing he can *snicker.. .1.8 haha* so shouldnt the fiero get the biggest possible? see what he does against a 454 BBC or more reasonably, a NA 3.8 would do it.
BTW, I didnt bother looking at the site, so if he's talking WHP, or somethings wrong, I really dont care that much, its late, this is my 2c.
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HoMiE_TeLeFrAgGeD Member
Posts: 1388 From: Elkhart, IN, USA Registered: Jan 2004
GRRRRRRRR....Hondas......... We hate them! We wantses to beat them all! >.< I'm sorry, but a well equiped Fiero will ALWAYS school a well equiped Honduh. No if's, ands or butts! ^_^ -Ben
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KRMFiero Member
Posts: 2711 From: Providence, RI Registered: Sep 2000
But I like the whoe 116 ft lbs of torque. Basicaly my lug nuts take more torque than his engine can make. He may make 160 HP (and I wouldnt be suprised if his ass dyno is reading a little high) but thats not far from the Fiero at 140. However ~180 lbs is a LOT more than 116, and we all know HP sells cars, torque wins races. The only problem there might be is the Fiero is a slush box, which is hitting it where it counts, the Fiero is great for low end, and an auto takes some of that away.
Though I agree, hes swapped the biggest engine into that thing he can *snicker.. .1.8 haha* so shouldnt the fiero get the biggest possible? see what he does against a 454 BBC or more reasonably, a NA 3.8 would do it.
BTW, I didnt bother looking at the site, so if he's talking WHP, or somethings wrong, I really dont care that much, its late, this is my 2c.
Hhah yeah i meant 10,000rpms
the 1.8 is not the biggest engine you can swap in, they then have the B20, K20, H22, K24 that are also popular swaps. I have a coupe so it is heavy and i swapped in a base model integra LS non-vtec 1.8 and took a t3 turbo off a saab 9000, ran some PVC pipe from the turbo to my intake put in a BOV and uses a FMU (rising rate fuel pressure regulator) and at only 7psi she was in the low 13s with a 2.3 60' because i dont have LSD and i got skinny 195's not tuned or nothing anyways I resently turned it up to 12 psi and she loves it. IMO hondas are alot easyier to make them go faster for cheaper money if you know what your doing, I spent $25 for the turbo $15 for PVC, $1500 for engine, tranny, computer, seats, rear diskbrake conversion, integra sway bars, spent $50 on ebay springs and handles awsome... When I did my 4.5 swap in my fiero it was slow, it really was; my 2.8 with a .046 jet moved pretty goos but my guess was high 14's maybe low 15s but it gets one hell of a bite off the line. ahh enough talking about hondas this is a fierhoe forum
------------------ 1988 Fierhoe Formula 2M6 5 Speed - CRX Intake, NOS dry kit, ZEX Ejector Air Amplifier, Taylor Wires, NGK UR5 plugs, MSD 6AL Ignition /w 2 step rev control, MSD Blaster 3 coil, WCF dog bone, WCF engine mount, Autometer Ultra-Lite guages (A/F,Vac.), KYB GR2's, Sequential turn signals, Rapid 3rd brake light.... Recurring donator 1995 Honduh civic EX - turbocharged B18B1 13.2 @ 107 on stock internals and junk yard turbo set up with PVC pipe
well why don't you just swap in a K24 and turbo it for $1.25 including the .25 for the bubble gum to hold it together and see how fast it makes a fiero?
sorry i couldn't help it - if you ask me any of the 4.1,4.5,4.9 swaps are NOT for drag racing - they are for a torquey daily driver you want to race drop in a 3800SC for $2000, or slap an NA intake with an intercooled turbo on there (sell the charger to break even)
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Posts: 4271 From: Simpsonville, SC Registered: Aug 2003
my friend had a 91 hatch w/ a B16A1 swap and that thing was QUICK... it only weighed about 2100 lbs and had everything done to it... i just know that when your reving that high and have that short of gear that it multiplys it enough to where its REALLY fast... he got this car for 2k !!! and on the tach it had a memory recall of 11600 which we later found out it can do. i know its faster than a fiero and its faster than my friends Turbo MR2.. but he got to many tickets and they impounded it so his dad ended up selling it..
I raced a random civic and it must have been very early 90's or late 80's hatch. Don't know what engine it had but the thing beat me just barely and I'm a stock 87 GT auto.
Of course I had my brother with me, whos a bit heavier and some luggage in the back so there was some added weight with me. The guy had a manual civic and I still wonder what engine he had in there. It was a civic Si so I don't know what that means, I really never took the time to learn anything about civics
I played with one of those on the highway today. It was quick (lightly modded body, probably similarily modded engine) and there was a lot of weaving going on, couldn't really find any space to hammer the throttle. It was a good matchup for the 2.8 auto.
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ThaFieroMunk Member
Posts: 945 From: Whitby, Ontario, Canada Registered: Dec 2002
I played with one of those on the highway today. It was quick (lightly modded body, probably similarily modded engine) and there was a lot of weaving going on, couldn't really find any space to hammer the throttle. It was a good matchup for the 2.8 auto.
Yea well this guy didn't really have any body mods or anything. Looked pretty stock, well except the rims were aftermarket. He didn't really have a huge exhaust either. It was a good matchup, I had him off the line but he slowly caught me.
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87FieroGTx Member
Posts: 2630 From: Bath, New York, USA Registered: Jun 2001
think of all those poor little hampsters each running frantically under the hoods of those little hatchbacks....save the hampsters, buy a fiero and swap the engine out, or just work with the engine u have. brings a tear to my eye to see those little critters get molested by honda owners.
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87FieroGTx Member
Posts: 2630 From: Bath, New York, USA Registered: Jun 2001
think of all those poor little hampsters each running frantically under the hoods of those little hatchbacks....save the hampsters, buy a fiero and swap the engine out, or just work with the engine u have. brings a tear to my eye to see those little critters get molested by honda owners.
LMAO thats frickin hilarious!
Joel 87 GT 5-speed
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05:34 PM
Azarael Member
Posts: 949 From: Las Cruces, New Mexico, USA Registered: Jan 2002
IMHO the fiero looks 100... no 10000 times better than ANY civic, accord, prelude or what ever. but i may be slightly biassed i only have 3.
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Have you ever imagined a world with no hypothetical situations?
But they are only talking about the cars, what HAS to be compared here would be the dumb-ass honda owning driver, or the Fiero driver. I have beaten all kinds of cars with more HP/less weight but some idiot was driving and didn't know how.
It's funny watching people talk shi* about Fieros on other forums, since they always get defended rather quickly and strongly, then they run out of shi* to talk.
That race is unfair.........Awhile ago i was driving home at night and these fools in an integra (95-97) and i went at it at about 30MPH, and we were both head to head for awhile, i could hear his engine being double-cluthced, but once we hit about 60 he just pulled away like nothing, i dont know what engine he had we were just having some fun...... -Roy
------------------ I own an original yellow 1988 Pontiac Fiero GT, (wingless, currently purple) ....This is.....Driving Exitement! Matching numbers GT #17889 of 26,402 made in 1988
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10:21 PM
Formula88 Member
Posts: 53788 From: Raleigh NC Registered: Jan 2001
Double Clutching just means that you push in the Clutch to shift... To float the Gears is to shift without using the clutch petal. When I drive A semi I float the gears.
Double Clutching just means that you push in the Clutch to shift... To float the Gears is to shift without using the clutch petal. When I drive A semi I float the gears.
i could have sworn that double clutching was when you push the clutch in....take it out of gear........let clutch out in nutral........push clutch back in.........put in next gear.........let clutch out. it is to help save on the transmission and clutch. correct my if im wrong though
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We hate them! We wantses to beat them all! >.< I'm sorry, but a well equiped Fiero will ALWAYS school a well equiped Honduh. No if's, ands or butts! ^_^ -Ben
3 car lengths in front of your HONDA and still pulling...
