I getting a feeling that certain people want to censor/stop discussions about 4.9s when all they have to do is move on to a topic more to there liking. Pretty simple solution, right?

quote Originally posted by Golden86: Oh, that brings me to my next question, who in my area (chicago) does 4.9 or 3800 swaps for a decent price? I am just trying to see if the extra labor cost is worth not having my neighbors move out due to my constant swearing durring the whole process

Contact DarthFiero. He lives about 3 hours from chicago, and he'll probly do a sc3800 for a REAL good price. He's a good mate of mine and did my LT1(which is a far superior swap to Masterminds BTW )Hands down, the sc3800 is the best swap out there. The SBC is mainly to say you got a SBC. MIne is quicker stock for stock though.

And light yrs ahead of the 4.9!!

I agree with Mr pat. Go with a 3800 s/c. It will be much faster and won't cost you all that much more money. has just as much torque, and a ton more hp as well as a huge aftermarket.

Bump 4.9 forever Woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooot !!!

Just thought I would throw in my 2 cents worth - in my location (Edmonton, AB Canada), the 4.9 is the cheapest way to go. Please keep in mind these are Canadian $.

3800SC motors around here start at $4000 (no accessories - this is basically supply and demand here), Archie's basic kit would cost me $1800 (after dollar conversion - and this is just the basic kit + the extras and motor) vs I picked up a 4.9 (with clutch and flywheel done) for $1500. Other motors 3800, etc also fall into this price range, but having a V8 under the hood is a bit more impressive to the casual on looker.

Yes, it is limited on what one can do vs the SBC, but for now, it's all I want - I just want to beat that Honda off the line from the stop light Maybe in the future I will want something with more go, but I got to start someplace.

BTW, as far as I'm concerned xx motor is no better than xx motor - it's all a matter of personal preference - right now I just prefered to not spend as much Now, if I was paid in US$, I probably would have went the SBC direction or perhapes a 3800SC if the price was right

Tim

quote Originally posted by Mickey_Moose: Just thought I would throw in my 2 cents worth - in my location (Edmonton, AB Canada), the 4.9 is the cheapest way to go. Please keep in mind these are Canadian $. 3800SC motors around here start at $4000 (no accessories - this is basically supply and demand here), Archie's basic kit would cost me $1800 (after dollar conversion - and this is just the basic kit + the extras and motor) vs I picked up a 4.9 (with clutch and flywheel done) for $1500. Other motors 3800, etc also fall into this price range, but having a V8 under the hood is a bit more impressive to the casual on looker. Yes, it is limited on what one can do vs the SBC, but for now, it's all I want - I just want to beat that Honda off the line from the stop light Maybe in the future I will want something with more go, but I got to start someplace. BTW, as far as I'm concerned xx motor is no better than xx motor - it's all a matter of personal preference - right now I just prefered to not spend as much Now, if I was paid in US$, I probably would have went the SBC direction or perhapes a 3800SC if the price was right Tim

Same thing I saw her ein Michigan, Only 3.8 SC I could find was $1800 then anoterh 300 for the Tranny 100 For Harness + 100 for ECM. Then I still would have needed mounts, exhaust yada yada yada. No way I could have done this motor for under 5K doing it myself. Great thing about the 4.9 is I'm well under 5K (US) and it was done by a pro. Leaves me just enough cash for a nice wet kit.

Mickey_Moose, all the big salvage yards around here continually quote me around 2200-2500 for a complete S2 3800SC, basepan to top cover, flexplate to harmonic balancer including all the accessories, ECM and engine harness.

They find about 15 in Ontario yards with under 50k on them regulary in their yard search computer thingy. 4k is quite steep.

I wasn't gonna post in this tread, but I wanted to reply to Tim about the 3800 prices, so i'll put my 2 cents in on the topic.

After a "few" rides in 4.9L, SBC and 3800SC Fiero's, I can honestly say I was impressed with the initial pull with a 4.9 in there, but they didn't leave a lasting impression on me like the SBC and 3800SC powered ones do. I'll spend the extra money anyday for the SBC or 3800 swap, no question.

quote Originally posted by Mickey_Moose: Just thought I would throw in my 2 cents worth - in my location (Edmonton, AB Canada), the 4.9 is the cheapest way to go. Please keep in mind these are Canadian $. 3800SC motors around here start at $4000 (no accessories - this is basically supply and demand here), Archie's basic kit would cost me $1800 (after dollar conversion - and this is just the basic kit + the extras and motor) vs I picked up a 4.9 (with clutch and flywheel done) for $1500. Other motors 3800, etc also fall into this price range, but having a V8 under the hood is a bit more impressive to the casual on looker. Yes, it is limited on what one can do vs the SBC, but for now, it's all I want - I just want to beat that Honda off the line from the stop light Maybe in the future I will want something with more go, but I got to start someplace. BTW, as far as I'm concerned xx motor is no better than xx motor - it's all a matter of personal preference - right now I just prefered to not spend as much Now, if I was paid in US$, I probably would have went the SBC direction or perhapes a 3800SC if the price was right Tim

Tim hits the nail on the head for most 4.9 swappers when he states "Yes, it is limited on what one can do vs the SBC, (I Mastermind will include the 3800SC) but for now, it's all I want - I just want to beat that Honda off the line from the stop light Maybe in the future I will want something with more go, but I got to start someplace." Which is the point you have to start someplace and the 4.9 is not a bad place to start. IMO it's a good compromise between a 3800SC and a SBC which can be had for much less money in many cases. So why are people bothered by discussions of 4.9s? It's a V8 right? It can be done much cheaper than any other V8 right? So why are some seemingly so upset by those who want a V8 without the extra cost? Just food for thought.

BTW I got emails insinuating negative ratings because I post 4.9 topics. However, that won't deter me and I'll discuss 4.9s whenever I see fit.

So buzz off if you are bothered by 4.9s as a topic as there are plenty of other topics to choose from.

quote Originally posted by Mickey_Moose: having a V8 under the hood is a bit more impressive to the casual on looker.

I dunno man, that blower is sweeeet looking. And a SBC can be done for 3 grand including the motor. Mine came to about 6 grand. That included the motor/tranny(motor had 38,000 miles, tranny had 0)and all labor and parts. So you can take that into consideration. If I didnt use the 4t60 tranny it would have cost SIGNIFICANTLY less. Several thousand less actually. Do what you wan though. You'll be happy either way. Some motors happen to go faster easier.

quote Originally posted by Mr. Pat: I dunno man, that blower is sweeeet looking. And a SBC can be done for 3 grand including the motor. Some motors happen to go faster easier.

I'm sure Darth Fiero, RockCrawl, PBJ, MTA etc, etc could do one for themselves for that. But that's because they are all master wrenches. What about people who are not good with wrenches? Their price would be significantly more than 3 grand wouldn't you agree?

quote Originally posted by Mastermind: I'm sure Darth Fiero, RockCrawl, PBJ, MTA etc, etc could do one for themselves for that. But that's because they are all master wrenches. What about people who are not good with wrenches? Their price would be significantly more than 3 grand wouldn't you agree?

These swaps have been done thousands of times. Unless your wanting to do something different like my swap, then a monkey could do one if they desired. My friend Russel is thinking of doing an LS1 in the next yr or so. Im quite excited, and im sure we can do it. Im not to much of a wrencher. But im not worried. Because someone else has done it, and I know they're willing to help anyone out. Perhaps your grumpy cause I spent about the same on mine as you did on yours???? Doing a swap is not as much as people think. LoW-KeY did a sc3800 for less than 4 grand I believe, and he moddified his motor as well. Granted he did it with his dad. But doing one yourself is really quite innexpensive. Heck, Darth spent 3 on his, that included his car and all new brakes. And it ran a 12.7. It can, and has been done MANY times. Of course, a 4.9 can be done for less than 2. But money isnt to important to me. You can always make more.

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So incredibly tired of these threads, and I'm doing a 4.9 swap right now...... Maybe I should just go buy a damn GTO and get out of this Fiero stuff. And by GTO I mean new GTO.

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quote Originally posted by FieroMaster88: So incredibly tired of these threads, and I'm doing a 4.9 swap right now...... Maybe I should just go buy a damn GTO and get out of this Fiero stuff. And by GTO I mean new GTO.

Thats a sweet car. I test drove one the other day. Id buy one if they had any 6 speeds left.

quote Originally posted by FieroMaster88: So incredibly tired of these threads, and I'm doing a 4.9 swap right now...... Maybe I should just go buy a damn GTO and get out of this Fiero stuff. And by GTO I mean new GTO.

wait for the newer ones 400 HP and of course if the SLP? that place that orginally made the firehawk keeps in plans for the judge it could pump out more

quote Originally posted by Mastermind: So why not save yourself such consternation by just skipping threads with 4.9s as a topic? Easy right?

Easy enough. But would it be possible for you to not make too many more threads about the 4.9?

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[This message has been edited by SCCA FIERO (edited 07-24-2004).]

people are complaining about all the 4.9 threads?? what about all the b##ch fest political threads???
why can't people just quit whining?
do you really feel obligated to take a verbal crap in someone's thread?? leave it alone, keep it to yourself, move on to another thread that better interests you.

if a 4.9 swap was that bad of a swap, no one would do it....some people aren't interested in coming out on top in the track, just beating loud-mouthed punks at the red lights. not everyone is part of this aftermarket frenzy.....

I drop in on as many thresds as I can a day, if the subject doesn't interest me I don't bother opening them up (like junk mail). I really don't see the point in saying "why did you start this thread?, I don't like it.". I don't see any problem with voicing an opinion, stating facts, passing on experiences, or just BSing but why waste time complaining about something no one is forcing you to look at?

Just a thought and I rarely share them, unless they are positive.

On a side note I would like to do the 4.9 swap, and the 3800SC II swap, and the SBC swap. It looks like they are all great options to me, just a matter of budget and personal taste.

quote Originally posted by SCCA FIERO: Easy enough. But would it be possible for you to not make too many more threads about the 4.9?

Nope!

No one is forcing you or anyone else to read 4.9 threads. The real question you need answer yourself is....Why is it so hard for you and other whiners to control themselves and refrain from reading threads they obviously dislike? Do you have this same problem while shopping meaning buying everything in the stores? Just because its there in stock, even though you didn't want those items?

You have to remember...This is a forum about Fieros, people discuss Fieros. They do swaps with them, the 4.9 is a swap. People discuss swaps. People read about swaps that interest them. They should avoid topics that don't.

So you should rethink the logic of what you're saying. If that's too hard how about following this motto..."Live and Let Live"

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quote Originally posted by Mastermind: No one is forcing you or anyone else to read 4.9 threads. The real question you need answer yourself is....Why is it so hard for you and other whiners to control themselves and refrain from reading threads they obviously dislike?.......... .....You have to remember...This is a forum about Fieros, people discuss Fieros. They do swaps with them, the 4.9 is a swap. People discuss swaps. People read about swaps that interest them. They should avoid topics that don't. So you should rethink the logic of what you're saying. If that's too hard how about following this motto..."Live and Let Live"

I think what they are trying to say, and if they aren't I will, is that while we all are interested in reading about the 4.9 swaps and what folks have done with them, it's your attitude that is sticky. The 4.9 is a good swap, as is the 3800SC and the SBC. Each swap has it's place, and it's nice to see so many options with our cars. You push the 4.9, and that's fine. But, you are pushing too hard. You seem to want to take jabs at the other swaps whenever you can, and it's not the way to keep harmony in the threads. Most of the time we all will praise someone for their acomplishments, such as Archie for the SBC kit and swaps, PBJ for his 4.9 turbo swap, and FieroX for his 3800 swap. These guys and many others deserve a lot of credit for what they have done for the Fiero world and should be respected.....not insulted.

Yes, no one has to read the threads, but a lot of us want to read them.

Mark

yeah, no **** ..

quote Originally posted by motoboy171: I think maybe some people need to lighten up........This is suppose to be fun, and not an ego contest.

It's funny how some people try to shift the focus from the true topic (4.9) to a false issue in order to side track a thread. For example insinuating I've disrespected PBJ and FieroX without a hint of examples of course. Just a new twist on a old campaign designed to smear. Too bad some people rather discuss me than the true topic.

quote Originally posted by Mastermind: It's funny how some people try to shift the focus from the true topic (4.9) to a false issue in order to side track a thread. For example insinuating I've disrespected PBJ and FieroX without a hint of examples of course. Just a new twist on a old campaign designed to smear. Too bad some people rather discuss me than the true topic.

I did not intend to shift the topic to you, but that's where the topic has gone to as you have pointed other members away from this thread if they don't like YOUR attitude. The true topic is not the 4.9, but what you call 4.9 'fever'. You seem to be telling everyone that the 4.9 is the best swap and the others aren't anywhere near as respected as the 4.9 . That's it. That's where the implied insult is. There is your example. It's not a new twist on an old campaign, and I do not intend to smear. I just want to point out to you that your attitude about the 4.9 versus the SBC/3800 is not a positive one.

Mark

quote Originally posted by Firefox: I did not intend to shift the topic to you, but that's where the topic has gone to as you have pointed other members away from this thread if they don't like YOUR attitude. The true topic is not the 4.9, but what you call 4.9 'fever'. You seem to be telling everyone that the 4.9 is the best swap and the others aren't anywhere near as respected as the 4.9 . That's it. That's where the implied insult is. There is your example. It's not a new twist on an old campaign, and I do not intend to smear. I just want to point out to you that your attitude about the 4.9 versus the SBC/3800 is not a positive one. Mark

So your saying, I'm putting down ALL other swaps because I point out there are numerous 4.9 swaps going on as opposed to in the recent past. All I can say to that is, you have a very interesting interpetation of the thread. I find it rather curious how one could comprehend what I posted to mean that.

BTW can you point out where I state the "the 4.9 is the best swap"? Believe me when I tell you, if that's what I thought I would say it. Clearly, it's the best for ME. But....the 3800SC, SBC, 3.4, 3.4dohc, Quad4 etc, etc could be better suited for others. I reinterate, I'm simply pointing out the fact that there appear to be a rush of 4.9 swaps of late.

Ok. You win. I'm out of here.

Some people are more stubborn than I am white. Its just sick sometimes. Stop these stupid threads about stupid swaps in these stupid cars. Everyone needs to fess up and get a mustang J/K. But seriously, all these threads by mister master are getting long in the tooth. You need more attention cause your cars not fast enough?????

I doubt that Firefox or Pat would react to this thread had someone else authored it. The topic is relevant even if you might dislike the author. Therefore, why not focus on the topic instead of the author?

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quote Originally posted by Mr. Pat: Some people are more stubborn than I am white. Its just sick sometimes. Stop these stupid threads about stupid swaps in these stupid cars. Everyone needs to fess up and get a mustang J/K. But seriously, all these threads by mister master are getting long in the tooth. You need more attention cause your cars not fast enough?????

Hey Pat. While I try to stay out of it as much as I can, at times it does seem like a few Pff'r egg Mastmind on knowing that he will take the bait. As is well know I have respect for every fiero there is be it an Iron Duke or a SBC. However as a 4.9 Fiero owner / Driver I apprciate these threads. Please take a look as of the current count there are just as many 4.9 Fiero's as there are SBC fiero (by counts in the how many threads, I know theres really more SBC out there that haven't made the list yet, the same is true for cadero's). I feel this thread topic does hold some water as of the last 2 months the number of 4.9 Fieros has exploded around here (by my count almost 20 installs). Is it 4.9 fever. I think so.

quote Originally posted by Mr. Pat: Some people are more stubborn than I am white. Its just sick sometimes. Stop these stupid threads about stupid swaps in these stupid cars. Everyone needs to fess up and get a mustang J/K. But seriously, all these threads by mister master are getting long in the tooth. You need more attention cause your cars not fast enough?????

Here's an IDEA!! Let's just hang around on PFF and shoot down any threads that we think are stupid or seemingly repetitive. This way we can "cleanup" the forum to the way we like it! Better yet, let's PM Cliff, and give him a list of threads we don't like and tell him to delete them...huumm...maybe he can even remove the user who creates these stupid threads! You know, I've always disliked 3800SC and SBC swaps...I think I'll hijack any threads started about those swaps and give those people who started the topic a negative rating!! Mr. Pat, Punisher, Firefox why don't you guys start threads about your swaps (if you've actually done one) and tell us why you like em or are you afraid that someone will shoot your decision down too??

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I've looked at the SBC swap a number of times and I don't believe there is any way you can do a SBC swap for $3,000 and have any more power (or significantly anymore) than a 4.9L. To do it for that, you'd have to stick with the stock GM Carb on an older SBC and not change much of anything. Do the math, it just doesn't compute for that kind of money. If it did, I'd have done one instead of putting a crate 3.4L in the Finale when we first built it or when we swapped it the last time for teh 4.9L I'd have done it then.

As it stands now, I have significantly under $3,000 with the 4.9L and 4T60E including all of Ed's parts and a Rockcrawl chip, and I didin't get a screaming deal on the engine, just a reasonable deal.

I personally like them all. Skitimes 3800SC is a gorgeous conversion, the Northstars are great, I think the 3400TDC's are the engines that should be in there given size/weight and exotic appeal. Lot's of choices and none of them bad.

I'd love to have a SBC hooked to the 125C out of the Finale with the 3.40 gears for an autocross car, and maybe I will sometime, but I won't be able to do it for $3,000 and get the kind of mileage and performance I get from the 4.9L.

Just for fun, Mr. Pat, Why don't you itemize the list of parts you're going to use to make the $3,000 SBC conversion, and don't forget anything, keep it real. The little things add up in a hurry. IIRC, Archie had a thread one time about doing a budget conversion and it came in at abotu $4,000, but that's been a while ago.

John Stricker

quote Originally posted by Mr. Pat: I dunno man, that blower is sweeeet looking. And a SBC can be done for 3 grand including the motor. Mine came to about 6 grand. That included the motor/tranny(motor had 38,000 miles, tranny had 0)and all labor and parts. So you can take that into consideration. If I didnt use the 4t60 tranny it would have cost SIGNIFICANTLY less. Several thousand less actually. Do what you wan though. You'll be happy either way. Some motors happen to go faster easier.

I never said anything, nor would I say anything negative about anyone's swap. Please don't lump me in with anyone that has. I enjoy reading about any swap out there, and would like to continue. I learn from each and every one. All I had commented on was the attitude of the author.

Im thinkin of doing the 4.9 with a 4 speed auto swap this winter. Im not driving my fiero though the winter for sure.

So its either sell it or upgerade it.

I take the second

quote Originally posted by Firefox: I never said anything, nor would I say anything negative about anyone's swap. Please don't lump me in with anyone that has. I enjoy reading about any swap out there, and would like to continue. I learn from each and every one. All I had commented on was the attitude of the author.

Firefox, just like I improve my car I'm also open to self improvement. So why don't you help me by describing specifically what you mean by "attitude"?

quote Originally posted by Mastermind: Firefox, just like I improve my car I'm also open to self improvement. So why don't you help me by describing specifically what you mean by "attitude"?

It's already been explained to you quite a few times. As I said, you win. I'm not going to argue with you.

I'm not here to argue either. Kinda difficult to correct a problem without knowing specfically what the problem is. Sorta like going to the doctor and telling him you don't feel well without ever telling him exactly what is wrong. Alast I was hoping you could be specific since "attitude" is such a general term that could mean just about anything.

I think every swap has its benefits, drawbacks and appeal to the person. There is no right swap. Its like going to school, everyone chooses a degree some being better and some being worse in the world of making money. Now on my swap I will state how it worked price wise. I had a friend of mine do the swap and help from Loyde, Darth on certain things through the phone but all in all I think mine was pretty cheap being a 3800sc swap, here goes:

Motor: $1000 70,000 mile 97 3800scII
Transmission: $200 75,000 mile 4t65e-HD auto
Mounts: $300 PurpleReign

Now onto the misc price list:
$100 new GT torque converter
$100 Painting blower/valve covers
$25 cradle stiffener
$100 oil pan gasket, valve cover gasket, knock sensor, plugs, wires
$50 firewall heat wrap
$100 walboro 255lphr fuel pump
$60 blower gasket, intake manifold gasket
$100 dog bone bracket
$50 Belts
$100 new ac compressor
$140 new ac lines
$150 coated manifolds
$25 y-pipe
$25 Powdercoat throttle body
$60 Alternator

When I changed from a 5spd to Automatic I actually came out pretty much even on everything.

That adds up to $2,685 on everything. I would say Im close to $3,000 with little extras but nothing over. I came out pretty good, and since I have friends that can do this kind of work I lucked out. I still need to buy my buddy a cd player and some speakers for his work.

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quote Originally posted by XRacer Pro: Mr. Pat, Punisher, Firefox why don't you guys start threads about your swaps (if you've actually done one) and tell us why you like em or are you afraid that someone will shoot your decision down too??

Look in my sig. I started 2(I started 1 technically, the builder started the other). And im content with mine, I dont need to start threads to pat my own back. If I get down about my car ill find a Vette to own(they're hard to find though, whooped on a Viper the other week, what a look he had ).

And Archies 4 thousand swap INCLUDED a CRATE motor. I paid $800 for my LT1. Theres 1200 or so saved, take that away from 4 grand and your under 3 GRAND. Im not saying it'll be a screamer for that price, 14's at best(kinda like a 4.9)but then for a couple hundred you can get a new cam and a bigger carb. There ya go, 13's? I dunno, never done a budget SBC swap. Heck, you can find 350's for free sometimes. We had one in our auto class that had about 300hp, we wanted $300 for it. Even had a 750 carb. It can be done, I may have mentioned, me and my mate Russ will do one after I buy a house. So look here in about a yr. He wants an LS1, but I think that'll cost a little more than 3 grand.

Im sure ive gotten a few negatives(which saddens me ) But I love all Fieros and all swaps. Its just some people that bug me a little. Some really nice Fieros have left this board because of this kind of garbage.

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quote Originally posted by Mr. Pat: And Archies 4 thousand swap INCLUDED a CRATE motor.

Actually this is what Archie had to say "In addition to a complete SBC Chevy engine, this is a complete parts list of what it will take to properly install the engine into a Stick Shift Fiero. I hope this comes out properly formatted, because I'm listing normal retail prices for each of the individual items. Our Goal will be to go to swap meets, garage sales and auctions and try to buy the correct items at prices that are much lower than retail. Prices and parts lists for Automatic cars is real similar. If you add up the following prices, you will see that it adds up to about $3150. If we have a budget of $4K, that only leaves $850 for the engine." Taken form the 4k swap thread " https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Archives/Archive-000001/HTML/20040223-2-011753.html "

Pat I think you fail to see that when your knocking masterminds swap your also knocking everyone else here with a 4.9. It's bugging me and I try to ignore it. So yes picking an LT1 up like you did for $850 would get you a 4K SBC swap, what about those of us who do not have the ability to do it our selfs? Lack of Sapace, time and color Vision hampered me. For the same kind of money as were talking here I dropped my car off and picked it up completed. It is no slouch, I'll know after my 1st trip to the track (Aug 14th worst case) but it feels like a mid 13 second car, if it's not then on goes the Zex kit with a hundy shot.

quote Originally posted by linenoise: Actually this is what Archie had to say "In addition to a complete SBC Chevy engine, this is a complete parts list of what it will take to properly install the engine into a Stick Shift Fiero. I hope this comes out properly formatted, because I'm listing normal retail prices for each of the individual items. Our Goal will be to go to swap meets, garage sales and auctions and try to buy the correct items at prices that are much lower than retail. Prices and parts lists for Automatic cars is real similar. If you add up the following prices, you will see that it adds up to about $3150. If we have a budget of $4K, that only leaves $850 for the engine." Taken form the 4k swap thread " https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Archives/Archive-000001/HTML/20040223-2-011753.html " Pat I think you fail to see that when your knocking masterminds swap your also knocking everyone else here with a 4.9. It's bugging me and I try to ignore it. So yes picking an LT1 up like you did for $850 would get you a 4K SBC swap, what about those of us who do not have the ability to do it our selfs? Lack of Sapace, time and color Vision hampered me. For the same kind of money as were talking here I dropped my car off and picked it up completed. It is no slouch, I'll know after my 1st trip to the track (Aug 14th worst case) but it feels like a mid 13 second car, if it's not then on goes the Zex kit with a hundy shot.

Im really sorry if ive offended anyone. That wasnt my intention at all. Me and Mastermind just dont seem to get along at times,and it gets a bit heated. Im all for any kind of upgrade. These things are way to slow in stock form. Again, I appologize if ive offended anyone. The 4.9 was actually my first choise, but I couldnt find any motors for a reasonable price.

How well does the 4.9 hold a hundred shot? Thats what I run on my LT1 and its insane when its spraying. I havnt run it yet, but I dont see why it wouldnt be in the 11's. I did molest a late model Viper 2 weeks ago just using the 50 jets. May have been driver error on his part. But N2O is one of the greatest things. Even if your car runs better than you thought, you should still get it Sorry again.

quote Originally posted by Mr. Pat: Im really sorry if ive offended anyone. That wasnt my intention at all. Me and Mastermind just dont seem to get along at times,and it gets a bit heated. Im all for any kind of upgrade. These things are way to slow in stock form. Again, I appologize if ive offended anyone. The 4.9 was actually my first choise, but I couldnt find any motors for a reasonable price. How well does the 4.9 hold a hundred shot? Thats what I run on my LT1 and its insane when its spraying. I havnt run it yet, but I dont see why it wouldnt be in the 11's. I did molest a late model Viper 2 weeks ago just using the 50 jets. May have been driver error on his part. But N2O is one of the greatest things. Even if your car runs better than you thought, you should still get it Sorry again.

I know it's easy to not see how your affecting other people when things get heated. Just had to say something squeky wheel thing. I've asked and every ones thats used N20 claims it's amazing with the 4.9 100HP shot is the 50% rule so it should be fine, of course i'll start at 50 and work up. doing it the correct way. I'd hate to have thecar not driveable again. You spraying dry or wet. I'm looking for a nice wet kit but as with most people cash is tight.