At the next meeting with the Gateway Fiero Club I'll get the numbers off the 88's there, plus a few other people who have 88's outside the club. I know of at least 15.
Earl R.
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FIERO JOHN-WI Member
Posts: 2413 From: GREENFIELD, WI, MILWAUKEE Registered: Jun 2001
VIN #1G2PG1190JP202914 Red Ext/Beechwood Int, Lumbar Seat, Spoiler Regular Top - 5 speed - Gold Lace Wheels Third owner - previous owner purchased car in 1990 26,700 miles
Joe
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88 Database Guy Member
Posts: 303 From: Marietta GA USA Registered: Jul 2000
Panama, thanks for the CJB car. It had been reported at a junkyard awhile back and I guess it's still there. Glad to get the update on it, Good Job! What a shame it's a gonner.
Fiero87GT, thanks for spreading the word, that sounds like alot of potential cars.
Fiero John -WI, will do, going to add all this stuff in, should be ready on Monday. We'll have around 3510 cars.
Welsh Mt GT, Thanks for the info, are you the lucky guy who won the ebay auction last year? That looks like a good deal, hope it's giving you miles of smiles.
Raydar, sorry for the delay, but you were asking about TTOP cars. Well, right now we have right at 3500 cars in the database, and of these, 389 are CJB TTop cars and 49 are Non-CJB cars. 3500 cars is around 13.3% of the total built. 389 CJB cars is around 31.1% of the 1252 CJB cars built. The reason the CJB percentage is so much higher is that Ray Paulk has kindly sent me the basic info on the TTOP registry cars. Not owners info, just the car info. He's done this several times over the years, which is one reason the CJB number is higher. Looking at the database by model and color, the highest number of CJB cars are Bright Red GTs, at 97 cars, followed by Bright Red Coupes at 47 cars, and then Bright Red Formulas at 46 cars (including 1 Mera)! Since they made so many Red 88s, it's not surprising I guess that they are the king of the roost in the database. On the other hand, I have at least one of every model in every color, except for Silver Formulas. I know of a couple of Non-CJB TTop Silver Formulas, but no CJB ones. For those looking for hen's teeth, this appears to be one. By the way, I have 12 Yellow CJB GTs, 17 Yellow CJB Formulas, and 2 Yellow CJB Coupes. Silver is definately second to Yellow in the numbers game.
Thanks for the info guys, keep up the good work.
John
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watts Member
Posts: 3256 From: Coaldale, AB, Canada Registered: Aug 2001
Yes John my Car was on EBay just before Christmass. It did not meet the reserve so I called the owner when it went off and worked out a price. As far as driving it the only miles I put on was the trip to carlisle for the Kit Car show. The weather around here is only good for ducks.
Thank ILVMYGT, that's a new car for the database, thanks for the complete rundown on it. With less than 30,000 miles on it, that's got to be a gem. Can you tell me the factory wheel color for your car too? Thanks!
Welsh, got some precip up there, eh? 8)
linenoise, saw your post with the BIG pictures, looks good, wish my daily driver with 169k on it looked half as nice. I've just got to get mine painted. Thanks for the info, this is also a new car for the database, and I'll add both ILVMYGT's and yours in tonight.
Been a while since I helped you out on the Database numbers.
Cars I own today.
1G2PE1192JP204279 – 88 Formula 5 speed Bright Red. Gray interior. Unknown wheels. Unknown miles. History: Paul Zurich the Fiero list.org owner purchased car, then Paul Vargus purchased car, then the car got a V8 from Archie, sold car to Charles, Charles took car apart. I purchased it 4-03
1G2PG1191JP203618 – 88 GT 5 speed White. Beechwood interior, gold wheels, 79k miles. I am the 2nd owner. ALDL build date is 9-87. Car has never been wrecked. Getting a 400HP 3800SC today 06-03
1G2PG1193J212711 – 88 GT automatic Black. Gray interior, unknown wheels, unknown mileage, CJB coded Ttop car. Car has bad carfax history. Engine was replaced and does not run well today. It will be getting a new 3800SC one day.
1G2PG119XJP221664 – 88 GT 5 speed Med Red. Gray interior with leather seats. Performance sound, black wheels. I am the 2nd owner. 98k miles. Engine was overheated real bad. Getting a 3800SC one day.
1G2PG1193JP204897 – 88 GT automatic Red. Gray interior. Black wheels. Sunroof. 133k miles. Needs transmission. Pending sold in 3 weeks.
1G2PE11R0JP217838 – 88 coupe 5 speed yellow. Gray interior. Power door locks. 111k miles. Needs clutch.
1G2PE1197JP212975 – 88 Formula 5 speed black. Gray interior. 90k miles. Black wheels. Power windows, power locks. Sunroof. Needs engine. Brand new GETRAG from GM. Previous GM employee car.
2000RagTop, Thanks for the info on both cars. I had some info on the first one, but not all that you provided, and the second one is all new. Good to get them in the database. Since you're near Appleton, I'll ask you if you ever saw a white GT that was for sale at a dealer there, for what had to be more than a year. He was asking for alot of money, and I'm just wondering if you saw it and if it was worth it!
KRMFiero, that's a new one too, and with the ALDL too boot! That date fits right in too, thanks for the good data.
Loyde, Loyde, Loyde. What can I say? You've been holding out on me BIG TIME! Just kidding, thanks for taking the time to send me all that good stuff. It'll take me a good bit just to enter in all the data you gave me, and it makes me very happy to do it. One more selfish request though, can you get the week in 9/87 that JP203618 was built? This is the earliest car that I have info on, and pinning it down to the week would be a real boon. Either way, it's a real bonanza of data, thanks for the help. I kind of suspect that the date on the ALDL is going to be in August...
VIN Number: 1G2PE11R7JP200549 1988 Pontiac Fiero (Notchback) 2.5L L4 5spd Manufactured in the USA by General Motors in Pontiac, MI. Fiero 00549 of 26402 produced in 1988
Black exterior with beachwood interior. no sunroof
Josh
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Hey linenoise, you betcha! From the VIN, your car was number 22,842 of the 26,402 built in the 1988 production run, which started in July 1987 and ran through Aug 1988. Although we don't have enough data to say with absolute certainty yet, it is looking very likely that the ALDL date is tied pretty closely to the production date of these cars! The dates on the ALDL connector stickers all start with the date of a Monday, which makes sense from a production point of view. Also, from the admittedly small sample I've got (around 20 cars spread over 18 weeks), so far every VIN and ALDL date line up nicely with the other dates. All in all, I'd say it's likely that your car was made sometime during the week of May 9th, 1988. Kind of neat!
NSAN1T, thanks for the info, that's a new one for me and I appreciate the particulars on it. That is one of the first cars off the production line, if you ever are under the center console, please grab that ALDL sticker date for me! Your car was prob built in the first week of production, and I don't have that date nailed down yet.
Nebiros88, I did get the basic info from Ray, but I'll make sure my entry has all these codes to round out the picture. Thanks for typing them all in.
And Thanks to All for the much appreciated help!
JW
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NSAN1T Member
Posts: 698 From: Marble Falls, Texas, USA Registered: Mar 2002
Originally posted by 88 Database Guy: NSAN1T, thanks for the info, that's a new one for me and I appreciate the particulars on it. That is one of the first cars off the production line, if you ever are under the center console, please grab that ALDL sticker date for me! Your car was prob built in the first week of production, and I don't have that date nailed down yet.
Will do as soon as get full possesion of the car... I thought that early production number was a kool thing... I used to have a 84 SC that was one of the first 200 made, but it blew up in 2000 loved that car..
Will get the info as soon as I can
Josh BTW what does your initials stand for? JW mine are JWW Joshua Wayne Wolff
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TaffGoch Member
Posts: 21 From: Springfield, IL Registered: Jun 2003
ok here goes. 88 black formula, 1g2pe1191jp205388 5sp no roof, good condition, grey int., black rims, cali. car, fresh black paint, hey, how do i figure out the correct color formula decal to put on if the rpo sheet has faded? 88 white gt, 1g2pe1191jp205388, grey int., black rims, cali. car, 135k, super nice condition, lowered 2in on konig 18x8's, 5sp, will have 5.7l crate motor w/tpi by the end of 8-03 88 bright red gt 5sp, 1g2pg1196jp207499, 94k, grgey int, va. car, decent condition, black rims. this car belongs to one of my neighbors, he wants to sell but we can't seem to come to an agreement. it is a 88 white gt at. 1g2pg1194jp218226, grey int. black rims good condition, 100k, this car has a restored salvage title due to a theft, no accidents. i will try and get you the week dates later, is that ok? hope this helps!!!!
------------------ 88 white gt 5sp 88 red gt 5sp 88 black formula 5sp 85 silver gt at TPIV8
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2000RagTop Member
Posts: 3999 From: Sussex, (Milwaukee) Wi. USA, Earth Registered: Jun 2003
2000Rag-top, that isn't a 88 Vin#, just wanted to let you know And John I finally went trough your list I only have 8 that you need of the 62 I had so here you go! FO 7358 R FO 17134 B GT 17138 B GT 18226 W FO 18349 B CP 19083 R CP 20097 M CP 23582 W
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FastFieros Member
Posts: 2698 From: Dallas Texas USA Registered: Nov 2000
1G2PG1191JP203618 – 88 GT 5 speed White. Beechwood interior, gold wheels, 79k miles. I am the 2nd owner. ALDL build date is 9-87. Car has never been wrecked. Getting a 400HP 3800SC today 06-03
The ALDL is THE WEEK of 9/7/87 Door Sticker is 10/87
I have worked on 200061. It is here in Dallas owned by Danny Wimbe. I checked it already on the ALDL and there was no date
I have Dannys complete VIN and will pass this on later.
Hey linenoise, you betcha! From the VIN, your car was number 22,842 of the 26,402 built in the 1988 production run, which started in July 1987 and ran through Aug 1988. Although we don't have enough data to say with absolute certainty yet, it is looking very likely that the ALDL date is tied pretty closely to the production date of these cars! The dates on the ALDL connector stickers all start with the date of a Monday, which makes sense from a production point of view. Also, from the admittedly small sample I've got (around 20 cars spread over 18 weeks), so far every VIN and ALDL date line up nicely with the other dates. All in all, I'd say it's likely that your car was made sometime during the week of May 9th, 1988. Kind of neat!
Wow thanks, It was bought 03/02/1989, somewhere in Florida. So it was almost a year old before leaving the lot.
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css9450 Member
Posts: 5550 From: Glen Ellyn, Illinois, USA Registered: Nov 2002
At the Blue Island, IL junkyard: 1G2PE11R6JP201370 Silver '88 coupe, 2.5 L Automatic Grey interior, hardtop ALDL date is "Week of 8-10-87" Door sticker date is 9-87.
Too bad its in the JY since it didn't appear to be wrecked. Oh well, I found a few goodies to grab from this car, so its not a total loss.
------------------ 88 Fiero GT 91K miles 91 Beretta 304K miles
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CoolBlue87GT Member
Posts: 8498 From: Punta Gorda, Florida, USA Registered: Apr 2001
I'm looking at a white 88 Formula tomorrow to buy, shall get the VIN number for you. Have a question for you, do you have any photo's of any white Formulas ? I'd like to see some. I'm used to seeing GT's.
Is there anything unique to Formulas that I should look at ?
Thanks for any details
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The original color of the rims is black. I bought the car in June 02 from an auction on Ebay. It had 20,300 miles on it then. It was neat as a pin when I got it. It’s my first Fiero and my daily drive. I got tired of driving my truck to work everyday. I just put bright custom wheels on it. I found the black on black be to dark. I also got tired of looking through the wing and removed it. I am hooked. I bought an 86 Fiero GT for my son.
Hey John! I found the owner of that yellow coupe in Tehachapi! He came to our gathering the other night. He wasn't in that car though. He was in a white 84 that looked like a Formula! The car is still over there... The owner builds custom Fieros and that car is the basis for his dream.
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mcaanda Member
Posts: 3652 From: Grand Junction Colorado Registered: Mar 2003
Med. Red coupe hardtop, 2.5L, grey interior, no power options. 5-speed.
Once again, a car that wasn't wrecked, apparently was just unwanted and wound up in the junkyard. Sad.
Yeah thats how my Formula was. A car that was not maintaned (till i got it) and the person just didnt want it.
------------------ Fierokid's baby: R.I.P.V-6 Swap 1987 Blue Fiero sport coupe White 1988 Fiero Formula AIM: Fierokid87 Rate Me Please 2.9L V-6: 2030 Compucam, Darrel Morse Fuel Pressure Regulator, 9.5:1 comp, zeroed out balanced crank, connecting rods matched, MSD 6A ignition box and Blaster GM style coil, Darrel Morse Bored out TB and intake, 19# Mustang Injectors, Removed TB coolant lines, Darrel Morse Dogbone strut, and more to come
loved that car..
