That is pretty sweet, i like it. What color is it going to be?

quote Originally posted by fierodustin: That is pretty sweet, i like it. What color is it going to be?

Cardboard brown! LOL
he has a long way to go before he gets to that.
D.

good point, it does look good in cardboard brown though, ha ha... I love threads like this it gets me all excited about working on my project

quote Originally posted by fierodustin: good point, it does look good in cardboard brown though, ha ha... I love threads like this it gets me all excited about working on my project

me as well

Hey Dean,

Thanks for the advice i just go your PM. So that will be my weekend project fixing the roof panel it should be small enough to do in the garage with my window fan sucking out the fumes.(rain or shine)
I also need to get a grinder.

Your both right about having a long way to go!

To answer your question I don't know why but I'm leaning towards flat black with a red accents. I won't it to be sort of stealthy looking...
The plan is not to do any other work until I know the body will be completed, then its on to breaks and suspension. Then the next big project
will be building a new dash, yep you guessed it out of cardboard. The last thing I will do once all the cosmetic changes are done is the motor
haven't decided what yet but LS will be involved.

quote Originally posted by whodeanie: me as well

Could someone photoshop side by side pics of this car and the Lizardo.
So far I think "cardboard fiero" has much better lines. (since neither cars are replicas, but inspired - i think it's a fair comparison)

Could we get more pics of "carboard fiero"
Man I love the spaceframe.
this would never be possible on a unibody.

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I'll be sure to take alot more full body shots and try to post some side by side with the lizardo. I'll try to take them from similar angles. they wont be exact because my car is on jack stands so I can't take it outside to get the exact angle shots. It was very important that the body lines flow from front to back and that the car didn't look like I tried to force the design, instead i let the space frame dictate how the design evolved. I avoided cutting into the frame as much as possible thats why the headlights are positioned where they are to avoid cutting away the frame.

quote Originally posted by Austrian Import: Could someone photoshop side by side pics of this car and the Lizardo. So far I think "cardboard fiero" has much better lines. (since neither cars are replicas, but inspired - i think it's a fair comparison) Could we get more pics of "carboard fiero" Man I love the spaceframe. this would never be possible on a unibody.

At the risk of catching your wrath, you still have not used the word "trapezoid" in a sentence.

You used "Trapazoid"... Once you have quoted me and corrected that by using it correctly, I want you to find a use for the word Trapezoidal.

I really like the trapezoidal opening in the design you have laid out.

I myself am partial to octagonal and heptagonal designs.
:P

No wrath for grammer corrections. I thank you for allowing me to finally fullfill my life long dream of using trap-e-zoid in a sentence, but if you ever correct me again I'll break your Trapezium!!!!

quote Originally posted by Synthesis: At the risk of catching your wrath, you still have not used the word "trapezoid" in a sentence. You used "Trapazoid"... Once you have quoted me and corrected that by using it correctly, I want you to find a use for the word Trapezoidal. I really like the trapezoidal opening in the design you have laid out. I myself am partial to octagonal and heptagonal designs. :P

quote Originally posted by Galliero: No wrath for grammer corrections. I thank you for allowing me to finally fullfill my life long dream of using trap-e-zoid in a sentence, but if you ever correct me again I'll break your Trapezium!!!!

Whew. Thanks for being so understanding about my grammar corrections. I am glad you were finally able to fulfill your dream. LMAO

I really like what you have envisioned so far. I will be following this thread very closely.

Welcome aboard glad to have you. just so know there will be other grammer/grammar mistakes as we go forward.
Keep in mind im from the south this is proper "ang-lish" down herr'

quote Originally posted by Synthesis: Whew. Thanks for being so understanding about my grammar corrections. I am glad you were finally able to fulfill your dream. LMAO I really like what you have envisioned so far. I will be following this thread very closely.

Something like the new Gallardo lp560-4 front end might do it. It adds some visual "lightness"



Google more images for more angles.

Yeah, I just think it needs to be dressed up in some way. The front is the least attractive part of the car

quote Originally posted by Austrian Import: Something like the new Gallardo lp560-4 front end might do it. It adds some visual "lightness" Google more images for more angles.

Update: Well it took me all weekend but I reworked the front.

I like it! What say you Fierians? I went for the reventon look













THIS IS FIERA!!!

nice!

Sorry Galliero. I don't like the newest modification. I'd like to see it smoothed/colored, but I think those new rectangles will look a bit dopey, just sticking out there. They're very perpendicular the ground, the car, and themselves. That said, pictures do also limit my perspective.
I think it's just that they look big and boxy. I think they should be more slender at parts if they are to be shaped like that.

All in all, keep up the good work. The most important ingredient is spirit!

another $0.02
-Michael

I like about the new mod that it will allow the radiator to have air again, but on the other hand it still looks too bulky.

Maybe make it a bit "flatter" and deemphasize the side scoops, and reemphasize the middle scoop. Not sure if the Reventon look will work, since it's a much wider and bigger car than the fiero. Maybe a hybrid between the Gallardo LP-560-4 and the Reventon.

In the meantime, could you take more pics of the other angles?

It is definately looking slick! I still think the front just looks to boxy, pardon the punn

I would sweep the 2 grills on the sides back, to more match the lines in the center of the nose.

Here is kinda what I mean, a pretty bad phot-chopped example:




I altered the one on the left in the image, compared to the flat nose on the right (drivers side). It may just be a matter of taste, so do not let me try to tell you what to do, just a suggestions is all.

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Well, I didn't expect that but I appreciate the honesty. I thought it was looking pretty good but that it was a little bulky but not enough to throw the design off. but i do see you guys point.

Good thing its only screwed on at the moment anf not glued with contact cement,(lol) so i acan easily remove it. I would like a few more opinions to get a better average of whether more
people like it oe hate it or any ideas on how to modify it.

Once again, I appreciate all your comments good or bad and thank you for taking the time to read and comment on my project. Your watchfull eyes will ensure i have a finished project I am happy
with and proud to drive!

Yea, that's the fun part though.... you can alter and get it the way you want, at very little expense with the cardboard.

It just looked like the side grills are parallel to the black line (Where the front edge of the hood is) and would look "slicker" swept back just a bit.

What i was immaging in following that nice point you have for the center of the noise, and carrying it down the sides a bit. Like the red line in this pic:

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How about something like this pulling back the corners so they have the same angle as the center section.
This more more subtle and not so in your face as it was before.

SOrry for the delay, we were almost chatting with the earlier posts! I had to get off the puter and go work on mine today though

I like it pulled back in your PS..... It does look better.... but.... sorry, It just doesn't seem to be enough... AGAIN this is my personal opinion! You need to get opinions from a few others for sure! I understand you cant pull back too far due to the frame... but that does not mean you cant extend the center a few inches LOL.

You are definitely on the right track though, and it is going to look amazing! I honestly can not wait to see pictures in the future after it is painted.

quote Originally posted by Galliero: I like this rendering, the one thing I would look at would be how the front of the lambo angles back on the bottom. IMO it needs to angle back to make the front not look like (no pun intended) a box looking good so far just a few more tweaks. D. IP: Logged 08:29 AM Dracor Member Posts: 466 From: Houston, TX Registered: Jan 2008 Feedback score: (1) Leave feedback Rate this member Report this Post06-02-2009 08:40 AM Dracor 466 posts Member since Jan 2008 Very interesting work so far. Here is my opinion, the boxes on the front are TOO boxy. Sweep them back or forward some. Notice on the gallardo, the sides are swept. On the outside walls they are swept 2 ways. On the reventon, they are angled to the outsides. To me, they kinda have a Mac truck look to them right now...big flat and perpendicular to the ground. I would also make the walls of the squares much smaller, maybe 1/3 the size they are now. Make them more like blades than blocks. Again, great job so far, I love it when people do orginal stuff like this and post their thought process and progress! I will be looking forward to more of this. ------------------ '84 3800SC, XP cam, 3.2 pully, HPTuners, N* TB, 4sp, SPEC 3+ clutch, Aluminium flywheel, pacesetter headers, F355 body kit, weight reduction IP: Logged 08:40 AM fierodustin Member Posts: 217 From: Wolcottville, IN USA Registered: Mar 2002 Feedback score: (2) Leave feedback Rate this member Report this Post06-02-2009 10:26 AM fierodustin 217 posts Member since Mar 2002 I agree that the "boxes" should be swept back on the sides like your modified picture. I think it would look cool with a splitter on the bottom. Here is a pic of what I'm talking about. After i did this I thought it might look even better if the bottom of the "boxes" were pulled in a bit also. i hope you don't mind me playing with the design... IP: Logged 10:26 AM Galliero Member Posts: 83 From: Calera, Alabama, USA Registered: Jan 2009 Feedback score: N/A Leave feedback Rate this member Report this Post06-02-2009 02:19 PM Galliero 83 posts Member since Jan 2009 thanks for your ideas I enjoy hearing them all. Being on this site has inspired me to push the envelope of my design and there is way to much experience and knowledge on this site not to take advantage of... [QUOTE]Originally posted by Dracor: Very interesting work so far. Here is my opinion, the boxes on the front are TOO boxy. Sweep them back or forward some. Notice on the gallardo, the sides are swept. On the outside walls they are swept 2 ways. On the reventon, they are angled to the outsides. To me, they kinda have a Mac truck look to them right now...big flat and perpendicular to the ground. I would also make the walls of the squares much smaller, maybe 1/3 the size they are now. Make them more like blades than blocks. Again, great job so far, I love it when people do orginal stuff like this and post their thought process and progress! I will be looking forward to more of this.

quote Originally posted by Galliero: Welcome back dean the dells looked like a blast and stopping by archies on the way looked cool too. Thanks for the input on my project. I hope you don't mind that I didn't get to fiberglass this weekend but once this idea hit I had to run with it. I agree with you though and I think I will slope the bottom back to and with the addition of a splitter it should look killer. The plan is to lay one sheet of fiberglass over the top of the hood, fenders and front bumper, then come back and cut the gaps that way I all the peices will line up. What do you think good idea or not?

Are you going to take molds off of it to make your body or are you just going to glass over the card board and do a one off body?
with that being said. If you are doing a one off I would glass over the whole front end then take it off and grind off all the card board from the back side.
you will need at least 3 layers of glass to get it strong enough. and if you do it this way it will be bigger than what you have now.
if you are going to make a mold from it to get your body parts I would use drywall mud to cover over the card board and shape the car smooth then spray it with a sealer.
make sure it is smooth and wax, wax, wax then you will have to take it appart and make your molds for each part. this is not a simple thing to do for a beginer.
and if you decide to just make a one off you will have a lot of grinding and shapeing of fiberglass. eather way is a lot of work. just think it threw and take your time because it will test you.
when you get mad walk away
I hope this helps.
get on the internet and look for how to do fiberglass video's it will help you get the basics then the rest is having the correct tools and just doing it.
if you want you could come over and help me work on one of the kit cars for a day and I can show you how to do it. this might be worth the trip to save you a lot of work later on yours.
just a thought.
D.

quote Originally posted by Fierology: Sorry Galliero. I don't like the newest modification. I'd like to see it smoothed/colored, but I think those new rectangles will look a bit dopey, just sticking out there. They're very perpendicular the ground, the car, and themselves. That said, pictures do also limit my perspective. I think it's just that they look big and boxy. I think they should be more slender at parts if they are to be shaped like that. All in all, keep up the good work. The most important ingredient is spirit! another $0.02 -Michael

Galliero, hey buddy! I agree, the front still looks like someone took an '84 bumperpad and made squares with the pads... I think if you made the openings more of a rhombus shape leaning inward toward each other, and give them more of a knife edge in the very front, it will do wonders for the boxy look. I think maybe slightly sweeping the vertical center back toward the rear of the car will also help a lot.
The Reventon front end always struck me as odd anyway, because it reminds me of the gas masks similar to the ones we had to wear in the Navy during battlestations... I'm playing with your images; I'll try to contribute my ideas within the next day or so. Otherwise, it's looking most excellent! When do you wanna come see our new house?
-Paul

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Journal of a concept: http://southeastfieros.com >>> Build Thread >>> Parts thread (for project funding)

The plan is for a one off at the moment. I dont have the funds to go the extra step to create molds right now. I just want to see the project completed. Plus all the sanding should be a good workout for me.

quote Originally posted by whodeanie: Are you going to take molds off of it to make your body or are you just going to glass over the card board and do a one off body? with that being said. If you are doing a one off I would glass over the whole front end then take it off and grind off all the card board from the back side. you will need at least 3 layers of glass to get it strong enough. and if you do it this way it will be bigger than what you have now. if you are going to make a mold from it to get your body parts I would use drywall mud to cover over the card board and shape the car smooth then spray it with a sealer. make sure it is smooth and wax, wax, wax then you will have to take it appart and make your molds for each part. this is not a simple thing to do for a beginer. and if you decide to just make a one off you will have a lot of grinding and shapeing of fiberglass. eather way is a lot of work. just think it threw and take your time because it will test you. when you get mad walk away I hope this helps. get on the internet and look for how to do fiberglass video's it will help you get the basics then the rest is having the correct tools and just doing it. if you want you could come over and help me work on one of the kit cars for a day and I can show you how to do it. this might be worth the trip to save you a lot of work later on yours. just a thought. IP: Logged 11:14 AM Galliero Member Posts: 83 From: Calera, Alabama, USA Registered: Jan 2009 Feedback score: N/A Leave feedback Rate this member Report this Post06-03-2009 11:49 AM Galliero 83 posts Member since Jan 2009 Good to know you didn't lose your sense of humor while you were away. I wasn't thrilled with the reventon front either but I thought I could make it work, I guess I didn't pull it off though but I'm headed in the right direction now. I let you know when I can stop by. [QUOTE]Originally posted by fieroboom: Galliero, hey buddy! I agree, the front still looks like someone took an '84 bumperpad and made squares with the pads... I think if you made the openings more of a rhombus shape leaning inward toward each other, and give them more of a knife edge in the very front, it will do wonders for the boxy look. I think maybe slightly sweeping the vertical center back toward the rear of the car will also help a lot. The Reventon front end always struck me as odd anyway, because it reminds me of the gas masks similar to the ones we had to wear in the Navy during battlestations... I'm playing with your images; I'll try to contribute my ideas within the next day or so. Otherwise, it's looking most excellent! When do you wanna come see our new house? -Paul

looking good!
It'll be exciting to see this come to life

-Michael

Nice of you to check-in on the build since you set off a fire storm when you slammed my front end modification,
but I'm glad you did cause now I have some great ideas on how to improve the look! So feel free to chime in anytime.

quote Originally posted by Fierology: looking good! It'll be exciting to see this come to life -Michael

Does this help at all? Maybe for inspiration.
Best collection of detail shots I found so far.
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=4215832

edit: I recommend a bib when watching this thread.. It's Lamborghini car pron.

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just a little update for you guys on the front bumper revision.











take alook at the lines on the splitter and let me know if its too long or should I move it back to the second set of lines.
I haven't glued it yet but this is what I will be going with after taking all you guys designs and comments into account this
is the design that I'm happy with.