Damn..what's the frickin' problem! I keep seeing this, thinking the questioning of Archie will stop soon...but seriously, enough! He's done more of these swaps than most people have changed oil, I'm sure! I trust him on the v8 swaps, that's what he does, and he is known for doing it the best. I'm out of this from now on, but I just couldn't hold it in any longer. Enough.

Bryce
88 GT

SUPER SWEET CAR!!!!!!!!!!!! DADDY LIKES

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quote Originally posted by Loki: We all know he answered with "nope", but he wanted a little more indepth answer. Is that a bad thing to ask. I know if I was considering a V8 swap I wouldnt accept "nope" I just dont get what the big deal is to get an answer that has a few more words in than "nope" just some details.

Loki I'm answering this question for you and not for the Pest from WCF.

You may not know some of the history here, but the history is the reason that all he deserved was the one word answer.

You see this Pest claims to be the all-knowing big shot Tech from WCF. Yet he has to ask a question with such a simple answer. (like if a guy thinks the line is in the way then move it) It wasn't the question he was looking to get answered, his purpose was to interrupt the thread. You see everytime I get a thread going that has a nice easy friendly flow going to it, he feels that he needs to interrupt it and get a flame war going. That way he gets his jollies out of screwing up someone elses' enjoyment of the Forum and he gets all the attention. He doesn't seem to care that most people dislike what he is doing. He just feels that he'd rather have negative attention than the no attention at all that he usually deserves.

In 99% of his own posts he is either plugging WCF or he is giving someone a hard time. I have not seen one of his posts where he gives correct proper advice without either plugging WCF or poking a stick at someone.

He's been doing this to my threads for about 3 months now. Do a search of my threads where both he and myself have both posted and you'll see that more often than not, he's trying to incite a flame war. Besides this thread, two other very resent threads that illustrate this are https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/010943.html & https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/011699.html
If you'll read these 3 threads, all the way thru, you will see that everyone of them was going nice & friendly until the pest decided to high-jack the threads. Each time he highjacks the threads by asking a simple question or making a negative comment.

If you had asked the question here, you would have got a more detailed answer like the one that follows below. But almost everybody here knows that when he, a self professed Fiero expert, asks a simple question like that, he is only looking for reaction & not an answer. That is why he missed the "Nope..." in my 1st answer.... he wasn't looking for an answer, only a reaction. He already knows that there is no chance that the heat can effect the brake lines. He also knows that by asking his stupid question he can get a reaction that ruins this whole thread for everyone else.

Now Loki, I'd like to answer your question. My answer along with the info you heard from others above, will show you just how dumb the Pests' question was.

In the 1st picture you will see that the Closest point of the header is 4" away from the Brake line. Also the header tubes run at a right angle to the brake line. The second picture is of a stock V-6 Fiero that hasn't been swapped to a V-8 yet. In that picture you see that the STOCK V-6 manifold runs about 4"away from the brake line. But the interesting thing is that the line runs parallel to the stock exhaust. So if I had to choose which brake line gets warmer, I'd pick the stock engined car.

In other words, my answer remains "Nope..."

Looks like our local "Pest" should start writing letters to GM & let the PFF members enjoy just one thread without his smart mouth.

To everyone who was expecting the daily update on this project, I'm sorry, I just don't feel like it. The Pest doesn't seem to want you to enjoy this thread and I'm not enjoying it. So screw it for today. You can thank the Pest, he wanted your attention & now he's got it.

Archie

Archie,
That is one heck of a well worded statement. I can see why you have run a sucessful business for 15 years or so now with many happy customers. If there were any flames comming out of this thread you just threw a buscket of cold water on them.

Hank

quote Originally posted by Archie: To everyone who was expecting the daily update on this project, I'm sorry, I just don't feel like it. The Pest doesn't seem to want you to enjoy this thread and I'm not enjoying it. So screw it for today. You can thank the Pest, he wanted your attention & now he's got it. Archie

Now that's a Damn shame. I for one really enjoy your updates and know you spend a lot of time away from your shop duties to bring them to us. It's not like I or anyone else can help with WCF's maturity but I hope it helps to know that I for one check every day to see if you have posted anything new.
Jeffrey

hey Archie, is this motor going to have that adaptor coming off the water pump so the pulley is in the wheel well, i thought that was pretty cool idea for not doing it the original/right way.

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quote Originally posted by Sleeper: hey Archie, is this motor going to have that adaptor coming off the water pump so the pulley is in the wheel well, i thought that was pretty cool idea for not doing it the original/right way. [This message has been edited by Sleeper (edited 10-18-2001).]

Yes, it will have that drive system.

Hey Everybody, let me introduce you to SLEEPER.

You remember SLEEPER, he is the "Pests'" buddy. Those that remember the Turbo V-6 engine for sale thread I had in the Mall. Will remember that SLEEPER is the kid who with the Pest turned that thread into such a bad flame war that Cliff edited it from 84 posts down to 30 something. Also if you search for the Pests threads you'll find the SLEEPER in there trying to make a fool out of himself too.

You see now the pest can't think of anything clever to say the SLEEPER is always there to keep it going.

You know, the funny thing is that these kids always come into these confrontations for "Grins and Giggles" and end up going away from these threads crying.

Let's see now, there are only 2 Morons left that we haven't heard from.

Archie

Guys, please. All either of you are doing is alienating the Fiero community, and making it an unplesant way to spend time.

Someone has to be the better man here, it needs to be *BOTH* of you.

I don't give a **** who started what.

END it. It is doing you both no favours.

Best!
Ben.

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88 Formula, T-top Metalic Red
88 Formula, Silver
87 Coupe, Metalic Red
"Every Man Dies, not every man really Lives"
-Mel Gibson, "Braveheart"

quote Originally posted by artherd: Guys, please. All either of you are doing is alienating the Fiero community, and making it an unplesant way to spend time. Someone has to be the better man here, it needs to be *BOTH* of you. I don't give a **** who started what. END it. It is doing you both no favours. Best! Ben.

You know Ben what do you think? How do I end it? I don't post in his threads & I don't comment on anything he does until he screws with my threads.

Maybe I should just quit posting all together.

Come on Ben..... How do you stop it when the little pest just won't leave you alone?

I'll be damned if I'm ganna take a bunch of crap from some little punk that don't know how to behave in public.

Yeah, tell me I'm supposed to ignore 'em... then tell me what you're gonna do when they start on you.

Yeah, I'm a little pissed..... I've been trying to end this for months.

Come on tell me...... other than to just quit posting anything..... how do I get this pest to leave my threads alone?

Archie

I have a great idea! Archie, do you remember the St Louis run I talked to you about some weeks ago? I believe West Coast Fieros had said they might be there (please forgive my memory, I don't remember who from WCF responded). Why don't you guys challenge your best work against one another and settle what ever issues there might be. I am one of the many (?) that don't know any of the history behind it. I don't really care. But I think that would be a great way to "take it outside". What do you think? I think it would be one hellava show...

quote Originally posted by Sleeper: hey Archie, is this motor going to have that adaptor coming off the water pump so the pulley is in the wheel well, i thought that was pretty cool idea for not doing it the original/right way. [This message has been edited by Sleeper (edited 10-18-2001).]

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Hay Sleeper, what do you mean by the original/right way? I believe Archie has been doing these V8 swaps for over 15 years and I believe he should know the right way. How many V8 Fieros have you built? (if any) how many V8 Fieros do you own? (if any) I am willing to bet you have never even driven one. But you seem to know a lot about everything, and very little about anything. I have not been on this forum very long but I have been here long enough to know, you seem to stir it up where ever you go.
Archie has been around a long time and he has proven his knowledge about Fieros time and time again. Until you can prove yours, you need to think about what you say in your posts.
Sorry Archie, I know you can handle these things yourself, but sometimes these kids and there snide remarks get to me.

Hey Archie...

Forgive the possibly dumb question but I'd like your opinion.

With the V8 swaps you've done, what would you consider the more difficult task?

1. The mounting of the engine in the cradle/Fiero?

2. Wiring the engine after it's in?

Take it back to your first swap considering that with your kit and experience that neither one is likely all that difficult to you now.

I'm guessing the wiring?

i justed asked a question and Archies blows it up into something else...and rgeenic what i meant about original/right way was that if maybe Archie learned/figured how to do it without his adaptor and run the pulleys like every other motor.

as for me riding in a v8 fiero, no i have not, but i have drove in a 3.4 twincam turbo fiero that would smoke all them v8 fieros. and me building one , nope, why would i want to build something that going to break when you push it to the limit. v8's weren't made for transaxles, clutches just won't hold the power.(n* exempt)

As to Sleeper and WCF... *YAWN*

Didn't your mothers ever teach you "If you can't say something nice, then don't say anything at all."

I keep revisiting this thread because I almost bought a F355 Replica earlier this year- and I'm currently looking into a V8 converstion (Archie's only). Not to see you two piss and moan about whatever.

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Archie- Please don't allow these guys to sidetrack your online updates of this project... I'm very interested in following along! BTW: did you recieve my email about the conversion concerning a 440t4 automatic? ...just checking.

Hey, Sleeper, here's a few things to think about:

There is no way to put a SBC on a Fiero tranny without an adapter.

Also, the tranny not being able to hold a V8 but being able to take a V6 with more power? Um, the transmission doesn't know or care how many cylinders the power plant has. If it's a weakness in a V8, then it's just as weak on a turbo V6.

Remember, there are no stupid questions. But there are a LOT of stupid people.

quote Originally posted by Archie: How do I end it? I don't post in his threads & I don't comment on anything he does until he screws with my threads. I'll be damned if I'm ganna take a bunch of crap from some little punk that don't know how to behave in public. Yeah, I'm a little pissed..... I've been trying to end this for months.

Sounds like a good idea to me. I also like the part where you identify them and cut them off.

Nice lookin' project Archie. I've done your v8 project but I still follow your projects to learn more and get new ideas. Keep up the post and away from the a$$hole idiots.

I step forward and appologize Archie, I had no idea that my simple question would have gotten flipped around, turned upside down and thrown against me - once again I appologize for the inconvience, my lack of knowledge on your conversions, and my simple curiosity...

But the truth of the matter is - I one day would like to buy you a beer Archie, you seem like a pretty cool guy - too bad my damn mouth gets in the way of us ever becoming friends, I'm going to have to do something about that

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17" Racing Hart C5 wheels, Kumho 712 tires, Intrax springs, KYB shocks, KYB-GR2 struts, West Coast Fiero Strut Tower Bar, Addco Front & Rear Swaybars, West Coast Fiero Cold-Air Intake w/ HKS filter, Beretta brake upgrade in front, KVS Performance Slotted Rotors in rear, Earl's Steel-Braided Brake Lines, custom burnt J.E.T. super chip, MSD Blaster Coil, Corbeau Clubman seats and Sparco harnesses.

quote Originally posted by Sleeper: I step forward and appologize Archie, I had no idea that my simple question would have gotten flipped around, turned upside down and thrown against me - once again I appologize for the inconvience, my lack of knowledge on your conversions, and my simple curiosity... But the truth of the matter is - I one day would like to buy you a beer Archie, you seem like a pretty cool guy - too bad my damn mouth gets in the way of us ever becoming friends, I'm going to have to do something about that

sorry bout that, I didn't know Craig was signed on here at the shop from last night, this above is from me - West Coast Fiero, or Eric Nelson, the guy that keeps things rolling here at West Coast Fiero

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quote Originally posted by Formula88: Also, the tranny not being able to hold a V8 but being able to take a V6 with more power? Um, the transmission doesn't know or care how many cylinders the power plant has. If it's a weakness in a V8, then it's just as weak on a turbo V6.

Well thats not totally true. I originally decided on a turbo vs a sbc because of the low end torque. Torque shock is what kills the transaxles more than anything. The turbo v6 is going to make about at much power at idle as a N/A v6. If you consistantly rev your car to redline and dump the clutch, it doesn't matter if you are running a burnup Duke; You're gonna blow it up. That is why I decided a turbo would be the better way to go. An N/A v8 will tend to have a much broader, flatter torque curve which will allow it to launch much harder and eat the transaxle faster. I've never blown one up however so I don't know how delicate they are. Archie says his kit last just fine on them. If that is the case, I'm going to guess that a turbo v6 will have a fine time aswell...

-Bryan

Cools, thanx Archie. Of course I would not have known to ask that since, well when it comes to engines I dont know alot, thanx for the more "detailed" answer......I learned something today WHOOHOO!!!! BTW!! I wasnt questioning your knowledge, just wanted to know

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*anxiously awaiting another Archie update*

Archie--It will be a few years until you get to do a V8 for me, but I still have a quick question for you. What is the difference between the electric water pump and the pulley system? Why one or the other? Does the electric water pump have any design flaws that make it worse than the pulley system?

(OK. So that was more than one quick question. Sue me. )

Why don't you guys leave Archie alone and let him do his post. If I were installing the engine and thought the break line was too close (which I don't ) I would move it no biggie. And I believe Archie has said before if you are unhappy with his water pump drive use an electric one, again no biggie. About all we need now is someone going off on the final drive gear of a fiero trans. To be honest if I was looking to build a drag car I wouldn't use a fiero. I would use an f-body they are allot easier and cheaper to soup up, but people put v8's in fiero more for the novelty. So lets just relax and when you do your post you can say how you would do it different.

quote Originally posted by MinnGreenGT: *anxiously awaiting another Archie update*

Well I've got one for you.

As you know, you guys missed out on day 3 (Wednesday)of the project. So let me tell you about it.

As I recall at last report, we had done the final fitting of the engine into the car and removed it one last time to clean paint and button things up.

This is what the engine assembly looked like after all the odds & ends were installed onto it.

As you can see, among other things, we have trial fitted the W/P Drive, but that will be removed to be reinstalled after the assembly is back in the car. (Monkeyman, good question I will answer it in the next post)

In this next picture, this is how the car looked as we left to go home Wednesday about 6pm.

Yeah, I know.... you guys missed a lot yesterday.... a lot of the real meat of the swap took place Wednesday. But I didn't take many pictures of it. I wasn't in the mood, sorry. Anyway on Wed. we got the engine in the car for the last time and bolted on several things, put on the suspension, wheel/tires etc. and set it on the floor. Hard to believe, but it's only been 3 days to get this far.

Today, Thursday, we put the car on the lift and finished hooking up everything. Some people noticed in a prior picture that we had started to modify the trunk area. This customer wanted us to shallow out the trunk and put a big 'ol Flowmaster in there. Building the exhaust system is the only thing we have left to do for tomorrow. We DID fire that baby up today. I love yelling "Fire In The Hole", it's a tradition, I do that everytime I fire one up for the first time. It also makes people get their fingers out of the way. Anyway, that thing sounds great with open headers.

Here is what it looks like from the underside. This pic was taken about noon today before we fired it up.

Tomorrow.... big day tomorrow.... we spend the 1st few hours building the exhaust system and putting a new floor in the trunk .... dump some coolant in there and go for a drive.

The plan for this car was to finish it in one week.... a lot of advance planning was used to make sure we had everything we needed to make it happen ASAP. The customer is coming up tomorrow afternoon to help test drive the car and to take it home. Although we are in a hurry, he won't be allowed to leave with the car if we find anything that is not the way we want it.

Expect to see pictures of all that tomorrow.

Thank You

Archie

looks good, I never did finish my T.P.I. swap. Pisses me off every time I think about it Maybe next year I'll sell my vette and start over. Would definetly use your kit this time around. Keep the updates comin

it seems to me that there is a apology somewhere in this thread .

who is the owner of wcf? (sorry i am new)

to the owner of wcf, this is representing your company ,do you realized how much business you are losing by this flame war? if i were into devious tactics (which im not)
i could see where this could get you publicity negative but publicity non the less
this is the time to squash this as a boss please step in like you kinda have i think (the post was a bit confusing ) and stop this and make a real attempt to make it right with archie . jmho

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quote Originally posted by Archie: You know Ben what do you think? How do I end it? I don't post in his threads & I don't comment on anything he does until he screws with my threads. Come on Ben..... How do you stop it when the little pest just won't leave you alone? I'll be damned if I'm ganna take a bunch of crap from some little punk that don't know how to behave in public. Yeah, tell me I'm supposed to ignore 'em... then tell me what you're gonna do when they start on you. Archie

"But isn't the Northstar going to break your transmission for no reason other than I am a moron?" Been there, done that. Blown up at a few of them (look in the archives.)

I won't tell you what to do, you have to decide for yourself.

I will share that I've decided to just build the car, and when someone asks me a question, I will respond in a civil manner, and just point to my car as proof enough.

I really don't care what uneducated morons think, but I refuse to lower myself to their level in responce.

For the very same reasons I will race a Lotus, but not some carfull of idotic teenagers driving mom's Celebrity so fast that they're a flagrant danger to everyone around them. Not worth my time.

I am just responding 'nope' to the tranny questions now

Best!
Ben.

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88 Formula, T-top Metalic Red
88 Formula, Silver
87 Coupe, Metalic Red
"Every Man Dies, not every man really Lives"
-Mel Gibson, "Braveheart"

quote Originally posted by Hippocrat: Hey Archie... Forgive the possibly dumb question but I'd like your opinion. With the V8 swaps you've done, what would you consider the more difficult task? 1. The mounting of the engine in the cradle/Fiero? 2. Wiring the engine after it's in? Take it back to your first swap considering that with your kit and experience that neither one is likely all that difficult to you now. I'm guessing the wiring?

You know..... Let's look at this from two different viewpoints.

First in the viewpoint of the guy who has never done one of these V-8 swaps before (we'll call him a Virgin).

In my opinion the "Virgin" would be most apprehensive about the wiring. I can see where anyone that hadn't done it before would be worried a bunch about how he's going to do the wiring. In my NEW Video Instruction tape I spend more than an hour explaining the wiring for both carburation and TPI. I talk about each and every wire and exactly what you are going to do with it and why.

The other viewpoint would be from someone like me, who has already put together a few of these. The part that I am most apprehensive about is the dis-assembly of the car and removal of the original driveline. When starting a swap my biggest worry is what I'll find when I take the next car apart. Taking the car apart you sometimes find engine cradle bolts that will not come out, or wiring harnesses that have been jerry rigged thru the years or things like damaged transmissions (like where someone blew up a clutch (& had it repaired) years before I got ahold of it.

I can give you an example of my biggest worries.... take this Yellow 355 car for example. This car was originally a Movie car and was never put together for daily use. The car is not too far away from being a nice street car because the new owner is working on it. But one thing I found as I dis-assembled it was a problem with the engine compartment wire harness. Whoever first built it must not have known how east it was to remove the wire harness & when they cut the chassis to stretch it they cut the whole wire harness about 4" into the engine compartment only to patch it back together later. When I opened up the wire harness this is what I found.

So IMHO the thing the new builder most worries about is the wiring. But he shouldn't worry about it because I've got him covered.

The biggest thing I worry about, is what weird things and bad sins I'll find as I'm taking the stock car apart. IMHO, putting the V-8 into the Fiero is a lot easier than you think.

Archie

Like a virgin, touched for the very first time. Like a viir-r-r-rgin.

Sorry I just had to.

quote Originally posted by Monkeyman: Archie-- What is the difference between the electric water pump and the pulley system? Why one or the other? Does the electric water pump have any design flaws that make it worse than the pulley system? (OK. So that was more than one quick question. Sue me. )

You know 2 years ago it would have been real easy to answer this question. The belt W/P Drive system that I've been using for the last 12 years or so has worked and continues to work just fine. Back when I came up with that system there wasn't an Electric W/P on the market that would even come close to being as good as the belt drive system has been.

My Belt W/P Drive system is and optional item. I'd say about 50% of the customers in the last few years have opted to try other ways to move the water. Many of them were successful using various elec. W/P systems.... some of them eventually came back to buy the belt W/P drive system from me later.

The information I'm going to provide here is from MY TESTING ONLY and some input from customers' who've built more than one V-8 Fiero.

In the last two years I've been playing with a couple of the electric W/Pumps in my cars and comparing them with my cars that have my belt drive system on them.

The 2 elec. W/Pumps that I've played with are the Morosso 63555 and the CSI elec. pump #901-R.

The Morosso 63555 puts out like 17 GPH and is "Street Rated" by the manufacturer. A rebuild kit is available on this pump. No statement is made in their literature as to what it's normal life cycle should be.

The CSI puts out like 30 GPH and has not been "Street Rated". However this pump is stated to run something like 2000 hours minimum before service is required. A re-build kit is available for this one and it costs like $80 or so.

Now early on right here in this post, I'm gonna drop discussion of the Morosso pump. I tried this pump on a couple of my cars and it didn't take me long to find out that it was no where near as good as my belt drive system.

So now the discussion is down to the CSI and my system.

I have 2 cars that, while they have different bodies on them, they have identical engines, transmissions and options. One of them has my system on it and the other one has the CSI pump. This whole last summer I spent all my driving time alternating between these 2 cars. I'm here to tell you that many times, while driving, I'd have to think twice to remember which car had which system on it.

I think what I'm trying to tell you here is that I don't like recommending something that I have not tested 100% myself. So, as of now, I can't say the CSI type pump is better than the belt drive system but I CAN tell you that I'm very pleased with the CSI's performance this past summer. IMHO, if it continues to perform as it has, it will be equal to if not better than my belt drive setup.

Ok, so what about that 2000 hour life cycle? You would have to drive that pump 8 hours a day 5 days a week for a whole year to get 2000 hours on that thing. I think it will last the average person several years which is comparable to a normal water pump.

So for people who just don't like my W/P drive, I think the CSI is a reasonable alternative. And for people who don't trust a fuse & want something that has been used for several years, my W/P drive is the choice.

Testing on my part will continue.

Some of my other V-8 customers are on here and some of them have used other alternative water systems. I'd like to invite input from them here too.

Archie

Archie,
Please continue your posts & pics. I'm am waiting for the you to ship the final parts to complete my "Master Install Kit". Reading
all of the tid bits and seeing the pics from
different angles helps a lot.

3fifty soooooon!!!!!!!!

Archie.. I don't know if anyone has asked this ..but

What do you think is the best Small block for a Fiero?

JM

quote Originally posted by Slammed Fiero: Archie.. I don't know if anyone has asked this ..but What do you think is the best Small block for a Fiero? JM

hehe yeah..... I am asked that question so often that I've dedicated a web page to the answer. Please read this page http://home.v8archie.com/arch9.htm

I hope that helps

Archie

Great to get back to the swap part of this post!

Great pics, Archie! I'd love to hear those open headers on that baby. And yeah, I yell out "Fire in the hole" just before firing one of my cars up after working on it. (major work, at least).

Q: on the electric water pump. Does the CSI system allow you to keep everything inside the engine compartment. I'm not worried about durability of your W/P drive, but would like to keep from having anything stick through the fender well - purely for asthetics.

The thing I love about Archie's swaps that no one else seems to do is if I buy his kit, I know I'll have what I need to do the swap. Parts, instructions, and tech support. No one else makes as complete a kit for engine swaps. Lots of people do them, but I'd want to do it myself. I think I'd like a Northstar or a 3800SC, but Archie's kits definately have the most proven history - that I've seen. At least for the D-I-Y'er. But, and engine swap isn't for a while for me, so I've got time to make up my mind. I do love the idea of a ZZ4 with an Accel short ram TPI on it, though.

I believe you have to do a little trimming to get the csi in there. I have seen people use a moroso pump and apperently you don't have to trim anything. But there is a trade off in that they don't reccomend the Moroso for street use. If you look through the summit catolgue there are a few electric waterpump setups. CSI's looks to be the best. They advise using a lot of them for street duty.

Is the CSI pump a brushless motor? Can it be rebuilt? What about the use of an L98 Waterpump is it not a shorter unit? or does it still require some work to get it in there?

Sorry ..just want to keep this thread going

JM

quote Originally posted by Slammed Fiero: I believe you have to do a little trimming to get the csi in there. Is the CSI pump a brushless motor? Can it be rebuilt? What about the use of an L98 Waterpump is it not a shorter unit? or does it still require some work to get it in there? Sorry ..just want to keep this thread going JM

Yes you do have to do a little bending or triming of the inner wheel well sheet metal.

I think the CSI is brushless but don't know for sure. Yes they do have a rebuild kit for it. As for the L98 pump. We already use a short Chevy pump on my belt drive system. I think this whole discussion is about another option to that proven system. That's why we are talking about electric pumps.

The CSI pump does require that you either bend or cut a little sheet metal out of the way.

Here is a top view of the CSI (the red thing) installed in my "T" top car.

And a view thru the wheel well with the car jacked up so you can see it. please note that in this view the pump only violates the sheet metal by about 3/4" at the most. When you reinstall the plastic inner wheel well and don't trim it like we did here, it will cover the end of the pump you see in this view.

Man I hope Cliff don't mind me posting up all these pictures.

Archie

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Just how fast do you want to go?

could we see more of whatever you had to do to the trunk that you mentioned for exhaust? and also any thing else on the car it's self that gets altered that could be done without the engine or kit for fitting or whatever? don't know if i'll ever pull a v8 off but i could work toward it if i thought i was getting close before i got the kit and/or engine.

Its all your fault My duke will never be the same.
Rode it Jason Stiltners 84 2m8 yesterday and nothing will ever satisfy my need for speed till I can have one of my own.
Keep up the good work.

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quote Originally posted by Archie: Some of my other V-8 customers are on here and some of them have used other alternative water systems. I'd like to invite input from them here too. Archie

That CSI pump should hold up fine, even in some very warm weather.

I run the Moroso Electric pump remotely on my car ( pump resides where the battery originally was).

Maybe it is that I live farther north, and don't see extreme temperatures, but it does reach 90*+ F , by times, and I havent seen any difference in the cooling efficancy at these temperatures.

I run a TPI 5.7L in mine, with a 195* thermostat, and a stock V6 radiator. The car runs at the same temperature as a V6 or 4 banger car would. The radiator fan only runs for a very short time, when sitting at idle for extended periods. Again much as it would with a stock engine.

I have my water pump wired into the ignition coil hot wire, so that the water pump runs anytime the key is in the ON position. I have a in-line fuse in the wiring.