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Another V-8 Swap Victim by Archie
Started on: 10-15-2001 05:45 PM
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Report this Post10-15-2001 05:45 PM Click Here to See the Profile for ArchieClick Here to visit Archie's HomePageSend a Private Message to ArchieDirect Link to This Post
This is how it looked a 9 AM this morning on the way into the shop. This will be completed this week with a target date for completion of Friday.

I'll post pics of it at least twice a day.

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Report this Post10-15-2001 06:08 PM Click Here to See the Profile for SageSend a Private Message to SageDirect Link to This Post
That's purrrty! Guess by the end of the week, it will also be pretty fast. Is that a kit? Nice.

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damn sweeettttt!!!!!
I need to come out to your shop sometime. Do you ever work saturdays? I would like to see what work goes into a v8 swap other than the video. I think i found a winter car now i need to get started on the teardown of my formula. hmmmmmm coulda had a V8!!!

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Report this Post10-15-2001 06:30 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Cheever3000Send a Private Message to Cheever3000Direct Link to This Post
There's no way that's a kit.
But then, why would he need an engine swap, unless he simply wore out the last one.
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Beautiful car! The only thing that could possibly make it better is the power to match the loks! I can't way to see the update pics!!
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There's no way that's a kit

You're kidding, right? Check out how well the door fits.... and the nice straight body line.... and the hood and headlights. I love the 100mph tape holding the mirror on!

Hey Archie, when you get the V8 in there let me know, I wanna buy the Ferrari engine

No offense really, it's a great looking car. Just not quite as nice as a Ferrari.

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Archie, I am considering doing an LT1 swap and will definately follow this thread. I am really looking forward to a detailed account of the 'virtual $4k v8 swap'. I was hoping to get some detailed money savings tips that I could follow.

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Report this Post10-15-2001 08:26 PM Click Here to See the Profile for ArchieClick Here to visit Archie's HomePageSend a Private Message to ArchieDirect Link to This Post
Yes it is a real 355 replica.

I've been a bad boy, I will revive the "virtual $4k v8 swap" very soon.

Yes, I do work Saturdays most of the time. Please call first so that you don't catch me on a Saturday where I don't work.

Here is what the car and new engine looked like when I left at 6pm today.

Note, this is a carburated engine and will have that air cleaner that the one guy (can't remember his name) doesn't like.

So if anyone else has a problem with the air cleaners I use please divert you eyes.

I'll show you more tomorrow.

Archie

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Report this Post10-16-2001 07:48 AM Click Here to See the Profile for KissMySSFieroSend a Private Message to KissMySSFieroDirect Link to This Post
GIve up the spec on the engine. Is it a stock 350 lm1 or does that have more balls behind it?

*note: I said more balls, even a stock 350 has enough torque to glue your butt to the seat!!!! =Þ

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Originally posted by KissMySSFiero:
GIve up the spec on the engine. Is it a stock 350 lm1 or does that have more balls behind it?

*note: I said more balls, even a stock 350 has enough torque to glue your butt to the seat!!!! =Þ

Correct it is a stock Chevy Crate LM1 engine. The headers are the only performance improvement. Going to be running a 600 CFM carb. should be making 270 HP or more.

This is the least expensive NEW Chevy crate engine you can buy and still makes more power than most of the High Tech, High Dollar six bangers out there.

I'll post more pics. today as it goes together.

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Originally posted by Archie:

Note, this is a carburated engine and will have that air cleaner that the one guy (can't remember his name) doesn't like.

So if anyone else has a problem with the air cleaners I use please divert you eyes.

You mean that triangular foam one?
I had one of those on my 350 Monza. Worked just fine, thank you. And I drove in some fairly dusty places.

Did absolutely nothing to quiet the roar of the Carter AFB, though.
I consider that a good thing.

Nice car, Archie!

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Report this Post10-16-2001 03:23 PM Click Here to See the Profile for ArchieClick Here to visit Archie's HomePageSend a Private Message to ArchieDirect Link to This Post
As of Noon today the engine/transmission has been assembled onto the cradle and has been trial fitted into the engine compartment already.

Now we do the finishing touches to this assembly and put it in the car for the last time.

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Lookin' good so far.

Now where's those darn cinder blocks I keep hearing so much about?!?

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I Love the f355... but hey, isn't that an F40 replica in white in the background? What are you doing to that one?
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Report this Post10-16-2001 08:24 PM Click Here to See the Profile for ArchieClick Here to visit Archie's HomePageSend a Private Message to ArchieDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by Hartz:
Lookin' good so far.

Now where's those darn cinder blocks I keep hearing so much about?!?
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ROFLMAO, hehe you crack me up.

I got a good one for you.... check out the saw horses. I first put those saw horses together in 1979 when I was building my house. They are the same one's in the Video instruction tape and they have seen duty on EVERY V-8 Fiero swap I've ever done.

Let'em make fun of that

Yes that's an F-40 that we are putting together for a guy in Ohio.

Picture of engine in the car as of 6pm tonite.

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Report this Post10-16-2001 08:51 PM Click Here to See the Profile for West Coast FieroClick Here to visit West Coast Fiero's HomePageSend a Private Message to West Coast FieroDirect Link to This Post
are you going to run into some problems with the aft header heating up the brake fluid in that rear brake line that is mounted on the trunk bulkhead?

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Originally posted by West Coast Fiero:
are you going to run into some problems with the aft header heating up the brake fluid in that rear brake line that is mounted on the trunk bulkhead?

Nope.....Interesting that you can look at all the pictures I post up and find something to critique each time.

Almost makes me feel like you are lookin for anything you can use to hi-jack another one of my threads.

Unlike some others', I post up pics. where you can actually view detail in them not some underexposed dark pictures.

I'm glad you're paying attention, Stick around kid, you might learn something.

Archie

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don't have a heart attack Archie - was just asking a question

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Originally posted by West Coast Fiero:
don't have a heart attack Archie - was just asking a question

No problem kid. Just try to remember that I was building V-8 Fieros when you were still in Pre-school. So I pretty well have the details under control.

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Nice car.. To bad he doesn't install a motor to match the looks!! J/K Gotta love Archie.......


PS: Archie, I've got a call into the St Louis track, they are supposed to fax me a list of available dates. No reply from the SCCA group yet.

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just curious Archie - are you going to answer the question or not?
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He did answer it.
 
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Nope.....
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Originally posted by West Coast Fiero:
just curious Archie - are you going to answer the question or not?

Maybe your just too busy to actually read the response to your post.

You asked "are you going to run into some problems with the aft header heating up the brake fluid in that rear brake line that is mounted on the trunk bulkhead?"

I said "Nope...."

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Report this Post10-16-2001 11:32 PM Click Here to See the Profile for West Coast FieroClick Here to visit West Coast Fiero's HomePageSend a Private Message to West Coast FieroDirect Link to This Post
all you said was "nope" - was waiting to hear how you were going to counteract possibly boiling the brake fluid - it is an honest question, so how about an honest answer?

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I love being able to ask simple questions on this forum and get simple one worded answers .......is a legit question though and would love to hear a more "detailed" answer.

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Originally posted by West Coast Fiero:
all you said was "nope" - was waiting to hear how you were going to counteract possibly boiling the brake fluid - it is an honest question, so how about an honest answer?

Why is "nope" not a sufficient answer? If this were his first V8 Fiero, sure, be wary. He's done enough of these that if it were a problem, he'd know about it and deal with it. Archie's swaps are proven for their reliability and quality now.

I really hate the bickering that goes on between you guys. If I'm looking for V6 performance or turbo parts, it's West Coast Fiero, if I want a SBC V8, then it's Archie. You guys aren't competitors - you both offer different approaches to increased Fiero performance. Neither one is more "right" than the other. It's all a matter of preference.

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I withdraw my question - as there obviously is no answer

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Originally posted by Archie:
Yes it is a real 355 replica.

I've been a bad boy, I will revive the "virtual $4k v8 swap" very soon.

Yes, I do work Saturdays most of the time. Please call first so that you don't catch me on a Saturday where I don't work.

Here is what the car and new engine looked like when I left at 6pm today.

Note, this is a carburated engine and will have that air cleaner that the one guy (can't remember his name) doesn't like.

So if anyone else has a problem with the air cleaners I use please divert you eyes.

I'll show you more tomorrow.

Archie
sorry about the huge reply i am new here ,anyways whats that transmission? not a stock auto i assume?

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That's the 85 6 cyl. 4 speed transmission.

Turbo88, Have not heard from you in a while, keep us posted on the St. Louis thing.

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Originally posted by West Coast Fiero:
I withdraw my question - as there obviously is no answer

You asked if Archie if he "was going to run into some problems with the aft header heating up the brake fluid" and he replied "nope."

If it hasn't caused a problem, how much more of an answer do you want? It seems obvious, to me at least, that this hasn't been a problem in past cars, so no special treatment is required.

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We all know he answered with "nope", but he wanted a little more indepth answer. Is that a bad thing to ask. I know if I was considering a V8 swap I wouldnt accept "nope" I just dont get what the big deal is to get an answer that has a few more words in than "nope" just some details.

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You're right Loki. My point was simply that he was asked if it would cause a problem and answered no. If there had been a problem and he'd taken steps to correct it, or if there were special precaustions to take, obviously a "nope" doesn't fully answer that.

Perhaps a more in depth answer of how Archie tested this to make sure there were no problems, etc. could have more clearly answered all the questions? I'm reading that he has not had any problems, and therefore, has had to take no special precautions - so there are no more details to give. If that's inaccurate, I hope Archie will post a reply to let me know.

I've noticed in Archie's posts that he doesn't mince words. As for myself, if I was doing a V8 swap, I would accept "nope" as an answer based on Archie's history with V8 swaps. If he was the new guy on the block, I'd want more details, but he's got 100's of running V8 customers as proof of the quality of his work. A satisfied customer is good enough of a reference for me (usually).

Now, Archie - how about some more pics of the swap!

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It's pretty hard to boil brake fluid. A lot of racers are now using DOT 5 and Dot 5.2 fluid. Basically you could wrap the brake line around the headers and it won't boil.
A good cheap alternative to the expensive stuff is Ford Dot 5 , you can put this stuff in a pan on your stove and crank it up..Won't boil or burn. (I saw a demo)

the header that is shown in archies pic won't do much. Keep in mind that the sanderson header shown is thermal coated to keep the heat in (Looks coated)

Does a small block run hotter than a 2.8? I know our LT1 / 4 heads in our caprice wagon runs cool because of the reverse flow design. Even when towing it just sits at operating temp.

I think if brake lines were an issue it would have been mentioned by someone years and years ago. How many V8's are running around out there?

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Originally posted by Archie:

Where did the trunk go?

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For future referance, how much HP can the stock 84GT 4-speed handle?

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Lemme try an archie answer to that...."some".
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Originally posted by rockcrawl:
You're kidding, right? Check out how well the door fits.... and the nice straight body line.... and the hood and headlights. I love the 100mph tape holding the mirror on!
Oh yeah. Well, my wife will vouch for the fact that I'm not very observant. Plus the fact that you have an experienced eye for kits, where-az I be just a plain ol' country boy. BTW, RC: did you sell your Lambo, is that right? What projects take your time these days? Your talents are too good to waste on mere transportation!

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As far as boiling brake fluid goes.. my quad has all the exhaust on the trunk side, and it gets pretty freakin' hot. I've never felt any difference in brake pedal movement, even when i run it hard on hot days.

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