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theBDub
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APR 09, 11:43 AM
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Randy, your comments against me, in many threads, go far beyond that comment. Your comments against others on this forum, in many threads, go far beyond that comment. You can't even pretend you're on a high horse, here.
| quote | Originally posted by sourmash:
Intentionally calling something racist that isn't even close is an example which is totally provocative. maryjane regularly invents false narratives in the exact way.
The goal is to cause an argument.
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I didn't call anyone a racist in this thread. I also didn't dog whistle it, despite claims otherwise. What I did do, is state that it was offensive, explain why it's offensive, and say I didn't know Cliff enough to know if he was racist. If you want to be "provoked," that's on you.
I've run the course in this thread--I stated my case. If anyone wants to continue with this conversation, feel free to PM me.
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sourmash
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APR 09, 01:18 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by theBDub:
I didn't call anyone a racist in this thread. I also didn't dog whistle it, despite claims otherwise. What I did do, is state that it was offensive, explain why it's offensive, and say I didn't know Cliff enough to know if he was racist. If you want to be "provoked," that's on you.
I've run the course in this thread--I stated my case. If anyone wants to continue with this conversation, feel free to PM me. |
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Yes you did call people racist. On page one and were already quoted as such. You're denying it to provoke in the same way you posted it in the first place.
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Jake_Dragon
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APR 09, 01:33 PM
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So did you stick your dick in it yet? Do you need to call on the "separator" to help extract you?
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2.5
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APR 09, 03:36 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by theBDub:
...implies that it's acceptable to have some light racism. This "acceptable racism" has resulted in an increase in violence against Asian Americans. When we accept this low-key light racism, we're signing off on the more apparent racism. I'm not good with it. You might be, or you may disagree that it's light racism.
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You should check the below vid out. Mainly the lady at 10:44.
Also you havent referenced any violence, only that folks have told other folks to wear two masks.
What kind of punishment...Cancel Culture?
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I typed in "Libertarian view on free speech", it said this:
"In the libertarian movement
In the domain of libertarian philosophy, the primary concern of the civil libertarian is the relationship of the government to the individual. ... One key cause of civil libertarianism is upholding free speech. Specifically, civil libertarians oppose bans on hate speech and obscenity."[This message has been edited by 2.5 (edited 04-09-2021).]
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theBDub
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APR 09, 05:52 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by 2.5:
You should check the below vid out. Mainly the lady at 10:44.
Also you havent referenced any violence, only that folks have told other folks to wear two masks.
What kind of punishment...Cancel Culture?
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I typed in "Libertarian view on free speech", it said this:
"In the libertarian movement
In the domain of libertarian philosophy, the primary concern of the civil libertarian is the relationship of the government to the individual. ... One key cause of civil libertarianism is upholding free speech. Specifically, civil libertarians oppose bans on hate speech and obscenity."
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I said I was done but need to be extremely clear here. I don’t believe government should censor anyone, and don’t think there should be any law that declares one thing hate speech and another not.
That has absolutely nothing to do with how I feel on a personal level, that we as a society should do better to curb hate speech.
Do not conflate opinions of right and wrong from a personal level to laws. Government does not exist to dictate right and wrong, it exists so we have a collective body protecting our freedoms.[This message has been edited by theBDub (edited 04-09-2021).]
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sourmash
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APR 09, 07:21 PM
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| quote | | Originally posted by theBDub:I didn't call anyone a racist in this thread. |
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From page 1:
| quote | | Originally posted by theBDub:...because uninformed, racist people look at her and assume she is Chinese and therefore she carries the virus. |
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Tell me more of how they 'looked' which divulges they're racist? Is it the stink eye that gives them away as racist?
| quote | | I also didn't dog whistle it, despite claims otherwise. What I did do, is state that it was offensive, explain why it's offensive, and say I didn't know Cliff enough to know if he was racist. If you want to be "provoked," that's on you. . |
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Calling people racist for how they "look at her", is bullcrap and just a method used to provoke people. As a White man you'll have to claim homosexuality to claim victim status.
Don doesn't believe any of this. He just likes to stir it up.
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rinselberg
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APR 09, 09:34 PM
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This might seem like Captain Obvious, in which case, it will seem like Captain Obvious.
"Kung Flu" as a euphemism for the Covid pandemic wasn't invented by former President Trump, but it was popularized (or at least further popularized) by former President Trump. Former President Trump used it at several campaign rallies, knowing (I think it's fair to say) that mainstream and left of center media venues like the New York Times, NBC News, CNN and MSNBC would faithfully report every instance when former President Trump incremented the number of times that he had said "Kung Flu" at his campaign rallies by one.
I think that's key to understanding why forum member cliffw likes to refer to Covid as the "Kung Flu" when he remarks here on the forum. It could be characterized in different ways. A verbal equivalent of a MAGA cap. Virtue signaling. Even an affectation or fetish that arises from the recent history and current circumstances of the Covid pandemic.
HIs frequent use of "Dumb'ocrat" as a euphemism for "Democrat" is very much the same, but it goes farther back.
It doesn't make me think less of cliffw. I might welcome it if he would cut back on it, but I've never wanted him to disappear from the forum. I've come to live with his euphemisms. I expect them.
If cliffw has an AAPI neighbor--a "person of Orient"--and if he's talking to his neighbor and says "Kung Flu" instead of Covid and his neighbor is OK with it--I can see them both smiling or chuckling about it--I think that's great.
At the same time, I am 100 percent in support of theBDub's remarks in this thread.
There might be an internal conflict here. Some cognitive dissonance of my own. I'm just working this loosely and not trying to parse every remark in this thread as if I were a lawyer reviewing evidence and preparing for a trial in court.
It may have been seen that I fetishized in these remarks with a euphemism of my own, referring to President Trump as "former President Trump" and going out of my way to do it and repeat it. That's not my baseline or un-fetishized way of talking about the former President.
I wonder if anyone was pleased to have been able to read this. If anyone did read this.
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Hudini
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APR 10, 06:03 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by theBDub:
You may or may not care, but that term “Kung flu” is offensive, and similar attitudes have resulted in a dramatic rise in violence against Asian Americans. |
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How on earth did you make the jump from offensive speech to violence against Asians (85% of which are committed by black folk)?
Do you suddenly want to hurt people because somebody said something bad about another group of people? Violent people are not violent because somebody says something naughty.
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rinselberg
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APR 10, 07:04 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Hudini:
How on earth did you make the jump from offensive speech to violence against Asians (85% of which are committed by black folk)?
Do you suddenly want to hurt people because somebody said something bad about another group of people? Violent people are not violent because somebody says something naughty. |
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It's a suggestion. For people to voluntarily refrain from broadcasting the "Kung Flu" euphemism and its likes, instead of "Covid."
I don't know anything (really) about your current circumstances, but do you give yourself permission to say "Kung Flu" (etc.) regardless of who you are talking to, and regardless of anyone who is close enough by to hear you?
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randye
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APR 10, 08:50 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
It's a suggestion. For people to voluntarily refrain from broadcasting the "Kung Flu" euphemism and its likes, instead of "Covid."
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 [This message has been edited by randye (edited 04-10-2021).]
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