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williegoat
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APR 09, 02:56 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
literally etched into the memory of anyone who was a regular MSNBC cable television channel viewer
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How does one etch mush?
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Patrick
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APR 09, 03:07 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Tony Kania:
I will be changing the oil in our zero turn 54" cut mower. Then, going to weed whack the nearly acre of property. After that, we have steaks for the grill.
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Nobody, but nobody, does self-promotion like Tony Kania. Narcissistic to the very core!
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rinselberg
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APR 09, 03:10 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Rickady88GT:
I guess it isn't possible for people to grow, change or adapt to life? Or maybe it would be inconceivable for Trump to change his mind or opinion on such a miniscule matter. |
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President Trump, notably, has not accepted a single dollar of his Congressionally authorized salary as President. (Is that correct?)
The other side of that is the kind of federal outlays that his frequent sojourns to Mar-a-Lago and other Trump golf courses and properties have already added up to.
There's been a fair amount (if not a large amount) of reporting about it. How much the federal government has put out ($) for Secret Service protection and such, during these Presidential sojourns. How much ($) vs the amount that the federal government would have otherwise been spending for Secret Service protection (and such) if he had stayed at the White House and not "sojourned." Or if he had stayed at Camp David instead of at Mar-a-Lagos (etc.) If not every time, then maybe some of the times. Camp David is the official "country residence" for the President of the United States. It's "federal."
That's all I can say. For anything more, I would have to take time to review some of the news reporting on this, and it's not something I should be doing at this time.
This all goes back to the time before "Corona Virus."
It's why there are those who do not regard the INTERSECTION (official Venn Diagram terminology) of "TRUMP" AND "GOLF" as just a "minuscule" matter.
Beyond that, if would be one thing if President Trump had kind of casually acquired an increased appetite for the recreation of playing golf after having become President. But it's another thing, because Trump was quite conspicuous during the campaign with his derisive remarks about President Obama and the time out of Obama's Presidential schedule for the playing of golf.[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 04-09-2020).]
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longjonsilver
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APR 09, 03:15 PM
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Lets see if we can have some rational discussion. Let me throw this out there for some food for thot:
| quote | Very interesting differences in here at the start of this series. all except California showed a material positive slope in the effective infection rate and then all rolled over before the mitigation measures went into effect, and have continued since.
In every case this places the peak infection rate several days before the lockdowns and other coercive measures. This does not mean that the advice to "socially distance" and specifically to wash your damn hands had no effect -- it might have. But it does mean that in every case those coercive measures did nothing. |
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Notice that the states that did not have a lockdown - Arkansas and Iowa do not have a statistical difference from the others - even when they are right next door.
hmmmmm
jon------------------
Astronomy says we will find a coded signal from outer space. Then we'll KNOW that life exists there, for coded signals aren't by chance.
Biology says there are coded genetic signals in every cell, but we KNOW that no intelligence created life.
I'm the original owner of a white ' 84 2M4 purchased Dec 10, 1983 from Pontiac. Always garaged, no rust, 4-wheel drifts are fun!
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olejoedad
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APR 09, 03:19 PM
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I propose that the size of the bruhaha is inversely proportional to the miniscularity of the mind pondering it.
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rinselberg
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APR 09, 03:34 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by olejoedad:
I propose that the size of the bruhaha is inversely proportional to the miniscularity of the mind pondering it. |
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I guess myself, Rickady88GT and "tebailey" are all supposed to feel burned by that remark? All three of us have talked about "golf" in this very meandering discussion.
I decided to have some "golf talk" here with Rick because it was an easy thing for me to do. I didn't have to go searching for fresh (or old) news reports or ponder any data charts or numbers.
The Corona Virus "Lockdown"..? The Titular Topic of this thread? Well, that's something else.[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 04-09-2020).]
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williegoat
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APR 09, 03:49 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by longjonsilver:
Lets see if we can have some rational discussion. Let me throw this out there for some food for thot:
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Notice that the states that did not have a lockdown - Arkansas and Iowa do not have a statistical difference from the others - even when they are right next door.
hmmmmm
jon
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Without a link to the article from which that information was derived, that chart is about as useful as the meme of a rabbit with a pancake on it's head.
It is, however, interesting that the chart begins the day after the press briefing discussed in this thread: http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum6/HTML/124777.html
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Rickady88GT
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APR 09, 03:55 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by longjonsilver:
Lets see if we can have some rational discussion. Let me throw this out there for some food for thot:
Notice that the states that did not have a lockdown - Arkansas and Iowa do not have a statistical difference from the others - even when they are right next door.
hmmmmm
jon
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The spread of this virus is more complex than a chart seems to show. Many more factors are at play here than just numbers. For example: How many mass transit subways and high rise elevators do Arkansas and Iowa have? These are very crowded places that have a VERY high likelihood of spreading the virus. I would also venture to say that those States have a much less densely populations than New York or California. How about port of entries? What is the difference between the New York, California air ports and harbors compared to Arkansas and Iowa? How about colleges, universities and corporations with Worldwide tradedoes Arkansas and Iowa have the same volume of traffic?
How about travelers, just the sheer number of people living in New York and California says that more people will travel outside the Country and State.
The bottom line is that not all States have the same exact risk factors. You can't just assume that all States are equally at risk.
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Patrick
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APR 09, 04:18 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Rickady88GT:
How many mass transit subways and high rise elevators do Arkansas and Iowa have?
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You brought up a lot of good points. I live in a large port city. I've managed to avoid mass transit and elevators for the last month. I've been wondering however what the new "etiquette" is right now in regards to elevators. Is everyone expected to ride an elevator all by themselves? Man oh man, it would be a slow process to only shuttle individual riders (or couples/families) on a high-rise elevator!
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williegoat
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APR 09, 04:24 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Patrick:
I've been wondering however what the new "etiquette" is right now in regards to elevators. Is everyone expected to ride an elevator all by themselves? Man oh man, it would be a slow process to only shuttle individual riders (or couples/families) on a high-rise elevator!
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Ya see now? My campaign promises are starting to make sense, huh?
http://www.fiero.nl/forum/F...ML/124777-3.html#p88
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