I think it is obvious that there are more voices from the political right than from the left, but I would not call all of the right leaning members Conservative.
I am both right-leaning and Conservative, with a strong Libertarian streak.
All these years you had absolutely NOTHING to say about all the divisiveness you and others have perpetrated here. In fact, you never seemed to mind joining in at all. Remember running down President Obama daily, with glee?
So you are either too stupid to remember the things you said & supported, or you're a complete hypocrite.
There's no third option.
Either way, the things you say you stand for are completely different from who you show yourself to be.
So, how do you reconcile your personal attacks with your claim to abhor personal attacks? Can you provide a definition of hypocrite?
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I think it is obvious that there are more voices from the political right than from the left, but I would not call all of the right leaning members Conservative.
Yet... liberals, environmentalists, Antifa, socialists, pro-choice, Democrats, communists, etc are all continually lumped together by many here and simply labeled "leftists". No distinction is made between middle of the road liberals and Antifa terrorists.
Seriously, the vast majority of political "discussions" in O/T over the last 20 years have been a complete joke. The chest thumping and posturing that goes on here is often outright laughable.
Yet... liberals, environmentalists, Antifa, socialists, pro-choice, Democrats, communists, etc are all continually lumped together by many here and simply labeled "leftists". No distinction is made between middle of the road liberals and Antifa terrorists.
Seriously, the vast majority of political "discussions" in O/T over the last 20 years have been a complete joke. The chest thumping and posturing that goes on here is often outright laughable.
Politics should not be a game with winners and losers, but rather a process where we all can learn and society can benefit from that experience.
It is counterproductive to say that someone with whom you disagree is stupid. That is divisive.
It is productive to introduce facts and logical guidance. That can unite us.
If someone's goal is to win, he has already lost.
We should all have the same goals: freedom and prosperity.
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My first two executive orders on my first day in office will be:
#1) Switch all elevator music to Swing Jazz #2) Banish anyone who drives a Passat, Prius or Mini-Cooper to a remote island and enforce a travel ban from that island.
Oh, and free bacon for everyone (except rinselberg, he will get soy bean bacon substitute)
But your daddy obviously didn't and here YOU are, sitting in your underwear, complaining on the internet about a man that has accomplished more in his life and is wealthier than you will ever be.
Looks like simple, ugly, resentment.
I would love for you to get one fact correct about my past seeing we have never meet or ever had a conversation about my life. Trump's life is well documented and the only accomplishment he has ever achieved is failure and before you say he won the presidency he lost by over 3 million votes thanks to gerrymandering that gives republican candidates an absurd number of counties with les than majority of votes.
Trump haters will never be satisfied with the actions taken, won't matter what he does. I'm going to venture a guess that if he had kept all those cruise line folks at sea instead of letting them come on shore, Trump haters would condemn him for that. Had he imposed an immediate quarantine for the currently infected areas when the outbreaks first reared it's ugly head, some folks would be bitching about that.
IMHO, President Trump is weighing the virus contagion and the economy issues and adjusting as circumstances require. Who could have predicted this without sufficient knowledge from China. They hid it as long as they could. I honestly don't think any President could have done a better job and as most of my postings will show, I'm not a Trump fan. He has some of the best minds in the world in key positions and gets advised daily. While I don't think he's the most proficient speaker out there and he does piss off a lot of folks, he stands up for what he believes and for the most part, I agree with most of his stances.
Then again, I guess I'm one of those half brained folks who thinks Trump has done a damn good job the last three years. Thank God he beat HRC!!!!
Rams
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I would love for you to get one fact correct about my past seeing we have never meet or ever had a conversation about my life. Trump's life is well documented and the only accomplishment he has ever achieved is failure and before you say he won the presidency he lost by over 3 million votes thanks to gerrymandering that gives republican candidates an absurd number of counties with les than majority of votes.
As soon as people on the Left start speaking up against Socialism, abortion, and Antifa terrorists, I'll start differentiating between them. It won't happen. EVERY SINGLE DEMOCRAT CANDIDATE raised his/her hand in support of giving free health care to illegal immigrants, and every single one of them endorsed the "Green New Deal" which was all Socialism.
Which leader was it that said if you didn't support abortion, that you weren't a member of the Democrat Party?
You don't want to be a moderate, you want us to view you as a moderate because winning is winning to you and if we put our defenses down for a second you can slip the rufie in our drinks.
I stopped caring a long time ago about people that advocate for the killing of babies. Your opinion doesn't matter because you want to destroy my way of life, my family, my job and my country.
As soon as people on the Left start speaking up against Socialism, abortion, and Antifa terrorists, I'll start differentiating between them.
Brad, it initially appeared that you might've been addressing me, due to what had been stated Here. However, I must be mistaken... as your closing comment doesn't apply to me in any way, shape or form.
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Your opinion doesn't matter because you want to destroy my way of life, my family, my job and my country.
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Originally posted by cliffw: Oh, yeah. Let's dispel the notion that this board is predominately conservative.
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Originally posted by Patrick: Okay, still waiting.
I mis-spoke Patrick. I should have clarified that this board being mostly conservative was a reason the lefties will not engage in political discussions. That is the notion I wanted to dispel.
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Originally posted by cvxjet: People people....All you have to do is watch Fox news 24 hours a day and you will KNOW that Trump is the greatest president ever- a real hero who is the most successful businessman ever, a humanitarian, a wonderful Christian- why, almost the second coming of Christ!
My my, another one comes out of the woodwork. Come one, come all. I have seen you rise, I have seen you fall. Welcome cvxjet.
Why would you assume I watch Fox News 24 hours a day ? Is that what they tell you 24 hours a day on lame stream media ? I have a well balanced news feed. I do not care if Trump is not all the things you claim Fox News purports he is. I LIKE THE DIRECTION PRESIDENT TRUMP IS LEADING THIS COUNTRY !
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Originally posted by cvxjet: Question; Did you know that Fox news was created and is run by Rupert Murdoch, who is an Australian, and his best friend and business partner is......Vladimir Putin?
Rupert Murdoch is a genius, though even a cave man should have been able to come up with the Fox News business model. After all, it is merely a counter opinion to the propaganda arm of the Dumbocratic party.
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Originally posted by OH10fiero: Trump's life is well documented and the only accomplishment he has ever achieved is failure and before you say he won the presidency he lost by over 3 million votes thanks to gerrymandering that gives republican candidates an absurd number of counties with less than majority of votes.
Again, this country is a Republic. It is not majority / mob ruled. The Dumbocrats also play the Gerrymandering card well. You claim republican candidates gerrymander yet all redistricting lines face court approval.
Damn, I really hate to bring it up in this particular thread... but there's this process I've heard mentioned called "impeachment".
Aw come on! An 8'x8'x8' steel cube suspended high above the earth on thin steel cables, filled with random strangers all doing the Lindy Hop could be one of life's great adventures.
And to also be clear, I'm no fan of Hilary Clinton, but she certainly wouldn't have put this country through the chaos the Orange One has for the last three years.
And to also be clear, I'm no fan of Hilary Clinton, but she certainly wouldn't have put this country through the chaos the Orange One has for the last three years.
That, my friend is strictly an opinion. As a registered Conservative Democrat, I could not bring myself to vote for such a traitorous, lying, greedy and power hungry witch. But, that's my opinion.
Rams
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That, my friend is strictly a opinion. As a registered Conservative Democrat, I could not bring myself to vote for such a traitorous, lying, greedy and power hungry witch. But, that's my opinion.
Rams
Ummmmmm....From your previous statements I thought you LIKED Trump.....and why are you calling him a "Witch"? That is the female term...wouldn't it be Warlock...?
Originally posted by Habanera Hal: Just to be clear about the popular vote, ....
Just to be clear, ...
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Originally posted by cvxjet: George Washington stated on his retirement; "Political parties will be the death of this country"
That is true and I believe we are seeing signs that it may happen. However, another founding father, Ben Franklin, at the close of the Constitutional Convention of 1787, when queried as he left Independence Hall on the final day of deliberation, was asked what we had as a nation. He stated "A republic, if you can keep it".
I don't give a zhit about the popular vote. I will be damned if I let NY City and Kalifornia dictate my life. Just to be clear. If you want to change the rules of the game, allow States to opt in, just as they did in the beginning.
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Originally posted by Habanera Hal: And to also be clear, I'm no fan of Hilary Clinton, but she certainly wouldn't have put this country through the chaos the Orange One has for the last three years.
Chaos. Is that defined as Trump Derangement Syndrome. What chaos ?
We have a few who have a different opinion on the politics of today yet they can not specify what they don't like. What a way to have a political discussion. Oh, that's right, we are not.
I come on here on occasion to see conservative car guy discussions. Today I'm appalled. I've been a lifelong Republican, an adherent believer in free market principals, strong military, stronger economic base, and a staunch believer in the Constitution. With that being said, I am no fan of Trump. I'm more not a fan of what I've been hearing from this board and other individuals with whom I speak with.
Respect. Dignity. Diplomacy. Learn these terms and then try to have a rationale discussion without devolving to insults or insinuations the other entity is just as bad.
Ummmmmm....From your previous statements I thought you LIKED Trump.....and why are you calling him a "Witch"? That is the female term...wouldn't it be Warlock...?
I'm thinking you need to re-read my postings. I am not and have not been a fan of Donald J Trump (the man), I do think he has done a commendable job as POTUS. There is a difference and, I am able to separate the two characters. He has made many decisions and policies I am in full agreement with and a few not so much. No one is going to agree all the time on everything. Additionally, your confusion is confusing to me. I thought I was pretty clear about who I was referring to.
Candidate Trump was not who I preferred but, he was a much better choice than the evil witch they call Hillary Rodham Clinton. If, that's not clear enough, send me a PM. I have clearly stated (in the past on this forum) my position.
Rams
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Willie, I can't decide. Are those people walking thru fire ant mounds or is it that are they trying to shake dog pooh off the bottom of their shoes?
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I got winded just watching that!
And, why you picking on dogs? The location could have been SF, CA.......
Rams
If anyone is bored, "Hellzapopin" is a really silly, but entertaining movie from 1941. The first 13 minutes are hilariously surreal. The whole movie is on Youtube.
If anyone is bored, "Hellzapopin" is a really silly, but entertaining movie...
Willie, those shots of Hell reminded me of a bizarre movie called The Forbidden Zone (which can be seen in its entirety Here). I have long been a fan of Danny Elfman and Oingo Boingo. I think he's a musical genius, although I wonder if he might also border on the fine line of insanity. If you enjoy the music of Cab Calloway, you might enjoy the following clip.
Warning, there are boobies (NSFW)... and you may need to sign in to YouTube (to verify your age).
And for anyone who might be wondering what the "usual" type of music that Danny Elfman and Oingo Boingo played back in the day, here's a great example. (There's even brass, Willie.) Damn, I love this song. Crank up your speakers!
Willie and I have sort of gone off topic... but hey, in these tryin' times we need some diversion!
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Originally posted by olejoedad: The WHO kits that were not offered to the US, and exhibited a 48% false negative result? They would have been extremely helpful.
"Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement, I've kinda lost track myself ..."
I've lost track of what I may (or may not) have read about the World Health Organization and the specifics of various testing methodologies and test kits, and false negatives and positives, and what it has (or does not have) to do with the United States and how the testing has gone here in the United States.
What I do have to offer at this moment, are two "good looking" reports from ScienceMag(.org), which is a website that is affiliated with the American Association for the Advancement of Science:
"The standard coronavirus test, if available, works well—but can new diagnostics help in this pandemic?" Robert F. Service for Science; March 22, 2020. https://www.sciencemag.org/...ostics-help-pandemic
That was published yesterday. And almost a month earlier,
This is what I entered into the Google keywords search field: kits OR test OR testing OR negative OR false "world health organization"
I want to see what I can make of the statement that I quoted from "olejoedad." I also want to proceed with some other tasks and options. It's a "time allocation" kind of thing. So the question is "Will I return to this question again?" I don't know. I guess "You've got to [be asking] yourself one question. Do [you] feel lucky?"
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I am not and have not been a fan of Donald J Trump (the man), I do think he has done a commendable job as POTUS. There is a difference and, I am able to separate the two characters.
You indeed have made that clear from Day 1. You made the best choice with what you had to choose from. A respectable decision.
But moving forward, do we turn a blind eye to a heroin dealer simply because it seems he's quite effective at getting rid of our "homeless problem"?
Maybe, maybe not. But what we don't do is worship him or pretend he's not a total scumbag.
Hell, even the Devil will occasionally help an old lady across the street...and she'll never know it. All she knows is she got safely across the street. But that don't make bad good.
You indeed have made that clear from Day 1. You made the best choice with what you had to choose from. A respectable decision.
But moving forward, do we turn a blind eye to a heroin dealer simply because it seems he's quite effective at getting rid of our "homeless problem"?
Maybe, maybe not. But what we don't do is worship him or pretend he's not a total scumbag.
Hell, even the Devil will occasionally help an old lady across the street...and she'll never know it. All she knows is she got safely across the street. But that don't make bad good.
Character is everything.
Boonie, I can only respond with this, we have different perspectives of President Trump.
I've worked for several "bosses" in my life I didn't care for and one in particular I will admit to having even stronger feelings about but, that doesn't mean I didn't respect their position or, their good decisions. IMHO, President Trump has made some very good decisions, policies and has done a commendable job. I don't pretend to agree with President Trump on every single thing but, overall, he's doing an outstanding job IMHO. That doesn't mean I personally like him. I also don't view him as any of the characters you described. I additionally don't believe any of my posts could be construed as "worshipping" President Trump. I measure him and his performance against my own values and his campaign promises. There hasn't been a President in my lifetime who tried to keep his campaign promises like President Trump whether I agree with those promises or not and that includes President Obama.
The fact that you see him as the "devil" is your choice. You have the right to dislike him, I greatly disliked President Obama and my feelings for both of the Clintons is even more into the negative zone but, I do give credit to (even to them) their work that made a Conservative America better or defended/protected American lives.
Based on President Trump's first three years, he'll get my vote in the next election. I'm a registered Democrat (Conservative), if the Democrats offer up a Conservative to vote for, I will most surely consider that candidate and I don't care if it's a woman or any other minority.
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Isn't it strange that after a bombing, everyone blames the bomber, his upbringing, his environment, his culture, his mental state but … after a shooting, the problem is the gun.... Open your frigg'n minds, think about all the other tools that can be made into WMDs.
My wife told me to grow up. I told her to get out of my fort!
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And to also be clear, I'm no fan of Hilary Clinton, but she certainly wouldn't have put this country through the chaos the Orange One has for the last three years.
So, I totally respect your opinions and right to preference. But I need to ask *why* you bring up the popular vote? The United States is not a Democracy, it is a Republic. And as such we use representation in the form of the Electoral College. This was done *on purpose* by the founding fathers to prevent a simple majority from exploiting the minority. In effect, it absolutely worked as intended. NY and California should never have the ability to decide the leadership for the rest of the country. The vast majority of states voted for Donald Trump... it worked as intended.
Again, just trying to understand why you bring this up? Whenever I see this, it's usually because the individual stating this isn't well educated, or is from another country all together and doesn't understand how our country's constitution works.
Originally posted by ArbinShire: I come on here on occasion to see conservative car guy discussions. Today I'm appalled.
I am skeptical. Today ? Have we changed ? Appalled is such a strong word for something which most consider everyday expectations.
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“Never talk about religion or politics” (etiquette rule) A rule of etiquette --in business, at the dinner table, at the barbershop and elsewhere—is “never talk about religion or politics.” These subjects are highly contentious and usually result in heated argument instead of general agreement.
History tells us that the political discussions which formed this nation were very much contentious in nature. I would hope you agree that political discussion is a necessary activity if a sociey hopes to live in some kind of harmony.
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Originally posted by ArbinShire: I'm more not a fan of what I've been hearing from this board and other individuals with whom I speak with.
Respect. Dignity. Diplomacy. Learn these terms and then try to have a rationale discussion without devolving to insults or insinuations the other entity is just as bad.
Please, do tell us where we can witness these tea and crumpets political discussions. Perhaps we can learn by example.
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Has anyone noticed that Ole Joe Biden has been totally thrown off of his political game by the virus. He is now rarely seen or heard from and when he does come out of hiding he bleets some inane attack against President Trump. He is being relegated to the dust bin of history, when most pundits would have thought this virus would destroy president Trump's chance for reelection. Other Democrats can't seem to hold back from blaming Trump either, but I believe they are finding this to be destructive of their political ambitions instead of helping them.
An example would be the responses of the mayor of NY vs the governor of NY state. The governor seems to be working with the president while the mayor has been spewing insults. Which one do you think has a better political presence?
Might I suggest something to Biden? Instead of trying to blame everything on Trump, why not come out and support the efforts of the government. Maybe even ask to help with the task force. I am positive Trump would even allow Biden to be on the stage during the briefings. The partisan bickering can wait. There is still almost 8 months before the election.
And to also be clear, I'm no fan of Hilary Clinton, but she certainly wouldn't have put this country through the chaos the Orange One has for the last three years.
Just to be more clear, the popular vote does not matter. Never has and never will. We are a constitutional republic, not a pure democracy.
Has anyone noticed that Ole Joe Biden has been totally thrown off of his political game by the virus. He is now rarely seen or heard from and when he does come out of hiding he bleets some inane attack against President Trump. He is being relegated to the dust bin of history, when most pundits would have thought this virus would destroy president Trump's chance for reelection. Other Democrats can't seem to hold back from blaming Trump either, but I believe they are finding this to be destructive of their political ambitions instead of helping them.
An example would be the responses of the mayor of NY vs the governor of NY state. The governor seems to be working with the president while the mayor has been spewing insults. Which one do you think has a better political presence?
Might I suggest something to Biden? Instead of trying to blame everything on Trump, why not come out and support the efforts of the government. Maybe even ask to help with the task force. I am positive Trump would even allow Biden to be on the stage during the briefings. The partisan bickering can wait. There is still almost 8 months before the election.
The reason is obvious (to me), by not being out there, he won't be screwing up. VP Biden screws up a bunch and this way, he has little opportunity to miss-speak. That's putting it as nicely as I know how.
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Isn't it strange that after a bombing, everyone blames the bomber, his upbringing, his environment, his culture, his mental state but … after a shooting, the problem is the gun.... Open your frigg'n minds, think about all the other tools that can be made into WMDs.
My wife told me to grow up. I told her to get out of my fort!
The reason is obvious (to me), by not being out there, he won't be screwing up. VP Biden screws up a bunch and this way, he has little opportunity to miss-speak. That's putting it as nicely as I know how.
Well, I have seen people pushing for Cuomo since he is actually doing something and cooperating, for the benefit of the people of this country and NY State already. Biden is lost in the fog and wont recover from this.
BHO is not eligible for the office of vice president, as he has served two terms as president. I doubt he would help the democratic party ticket even if he were able or willing.
However, I must be mistaken... as your closing comment doesn't apply to me in any way, shape or form.
If you enjoy the music of Cab Calloway, you might enjoy the following clip. 
