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| Hudini...from your unique perspective, thoughts on the new Chinese corona virus (Page 103/146) |
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MadMark
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MAR 27, 02:45 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Patrick:
"attacks"??? 
This is a forum, Mark. It's a place to ask questions and to exchange thoughts and ideas. |
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Patrick. It is a forum and I have been sharing my ideas, and you seem to take issue with my ideas and my take on things. Instead of challenging my ideas and refuting them you just attack what I say. How about some discussion on your side? How about thinking instead of reacting?
What is your plan? Do you have one? Have you even thought about where to go or how you will get there?
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rinselberg
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MAR 27, 02:48 PM
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But there's another factor to consider (picking up from where I just left off a few minutes ago.)
Anti-viral treatments for Covid-19 are already being tested. That could change the calculations in terms of how to triage patients, considering the numbers of ventilators that can be made available during each future day.
My thinking is that the availability of ventilators is the most severe of the various constraints that are impacting upon the amount and quality of treatment that is available.
I got that idea from the news (or news-style) coverage that I have selected for myself.
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Tony Kania
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MAR 27, 02:50 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Patrick:
"attacks"???
This is a forum, Mark. It's a place to ask questions and to exchange thoughts and ideas. |
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| quote | Originally posted by Patrick:
You're such a joke, Tony. |
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| quote | Originally posted by Patrick:
You owe it to yourself to get some help.
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| quote | Mark, you mistake me for someone with a political agenda, such as your own. I don't "root" for any ideology. You're so self-centered on American politics, that you don't seem to comprehend that a global response is required to subdue this pandemic. It's not all about Trump.
Poor little Tony... always the victim. You enter a thread, mouth off with your usual BS, and then pout when you get a response. Any "hate" you receive is justly deserved. Perhaps you should go sit for awhile in one of those "cry closets" you're always offering to build for people you love to ridicule here. Get some help Tony, before you go completely over the edge.
[This message has been edited by Patrick (edited 03-26-2020).] |
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| quote | Originally posted by Patrick:
Why, because I refuse to play the blame game with you? You have your priorities, and I just don't happen to share them.
This is the reason why I don't participate in political threads. Total waste of time.
I thought this was supposed to be a thread about a world-wide health crisis, not American politics. Silly me.
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rinselberg
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MAR 27, 02:53 PM
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Maybe I need to step back from my ventilator-related thoughts and (pun intended) draw a deep breath, to allow for the possibility that I have put myself on a sidetrack that leads away from even more important constraints and considerations.
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Patrick
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MAR 27, 02:54 PM
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Tony, you truly are delusional if you feel you're in a position to criticize anyone else's forum behavior.
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Patrick
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MAR 27, 03:16 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by MadMark:
Instead of challenging my ideas and refuting them you just attack what I say.
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Mark, don't you see the irony? When I posted an example of your own lack of "logic" which was part of what was used by you to try and shoot down MJ for his supposed lack of "logic"... you completely sidestepped my question about it. Instead, you simply accused me of an "attack".
Look, I'm being straight with you. I'm am not picking on you in this (or any other) thread. But, you are posting a lot, and sure, I don't agree with all of it. It's nothing personal.
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randye
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MAR 27, 06:13 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by cliffw:
I never used a ventilator.
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| quote | Originally posted by cliffw:
Thinking about it I believe I am wrong. Four times a day I had breathing treatments. The same oxygen which was fed by tube to my nose (2 psi) also was hooked to a machine which gave me the treatments.
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Unless your were intubated, which means that you had a plastic endotracheal tube inserted through your nose or mouth into your trachea, or had a tracheostomy procedure, (an incision through your throat, below your larynx to insert a tube), you were NOT on a ventilator.
I personally find all the complaining about the number of medical ventilators somewhat ridiculous.
You have to be trained to intubate a patient. It involves the use of an instrument called an laryngoscope and it is somewhat difficult to perform. A patient can be seriously injured by someone that doesn't know what they are doing.
I was trained to intubate patients years ago and performed the procedure a few dozen times on a dummy and then had to do it a couple of times on a real patient while I was very closely supervised by a doctor.
It was still difficult.
We haven't even gotten to the damn ventilator yet which is also a very complex piece of equipment and requires trained medical personnel to set it up for each individual patient and to monitor and adjust as required.
Simply put, the number of ventilators that are being discussed by politicians far outstrips the number of trained medical people in this country to operate them.
Even if every anesthesiologist, RT, and paramedic in the nation were used it still wouldn't be a dent in the number of trained people needed for the number of vents being discussed.
OH, and did I mention the number of disposable endotracheal tubes and connection tubes needed for EACH patient?[This message has been edited by randye (edited 03-27-2020).]
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cliffw
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MAR 27, 07:42 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by randye:
Cliff, Don't be fooled by LEFTIST BULLSHIT involving a hack like Cuomo.
While that moron is screaming for MORE, MORE, MORE and trying to blame President Trump.....Florida is NOT screaming for more and that includes ventilators or military hospital ships like NY is.
WHY do you think that is?
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Heh, Cuomo admitted that all the ventilators he has gotten from the President are in storage, until they are needed.
I suppose that storage facility is next to the one which keeps toilet paper.
| quote | Originally posted by cliffw:
Thinking about it I believe I am wrong.
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| quote | Originally posted by randye:
... you were NOT on a ventilator. |
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Heh, when your wrong, your wrong. When I am wrong, I am wrong twice,  .
| quote | Originally posted by randye:
Simply put, the number of ventilators that are being discussed by politicians far outstrips the number of trained medical people in this country to operate them.
Even if every anesthesiologist, RT, and paramedic in the nation were used it still wouldn't be a dent in the number of trained people needed for the number of vents being discussed.
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My friend that I have known since the fifth grade was a long time respiratory therapist. He went on to do other things. He got a letter from Cuomo (office) asking that he come to New York to work.
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maryjane
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MAR 27, 09:32 PM
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Anyone that has ever had a ventilator tube down their throat will never forget it. I woke up from a 4-5 hr cardiac surgery with one and it was really the only time in my Iife I thought I was going to suffocate. Truly thought something was terribly wrong and I was drowning. Of course, you can't talk, and I was finally able to make signals with my hands for Jane to give me a pen and paper so I could write. "I can breathe..get this damn thing out of my throat!!"
Not a pleasant experience.
Related..
I don't know how this is going to work out, but here tis...
(note, this one is to use on non-critical patients so the bigger better and existing ones will be freed up for the more critical patients)
https://news.rice.edu/2020/...tric-technologies-2/
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blackrams
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MAR 27, 09:54 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Patrick:
It's nothing personal. |
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Just being honest, I think your frog/toad is ugly.
Rams 
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