Originally posted by maryjane: How many crimes (against society and family) are drug related? 17% to 18% of all state and federal prisoners were convicted of crimes involving some kind of theft in order to buy drugs. Property related and personal assault/robbery type crimes, not the act of using drugs.
They aren't usually stealing drugs. They're stealing money to buy drugs. Or stealing other people's 'stuff' to sell for money to buy drugs.
Yes but those are also crimes and have not been reduced. This is only going to change for the people that have a small amount of the drugs on them. If there are other crimes committed at the same time then they should face the consequences for those actions.
I would rather people not do drugs that hook them and ruin their lives but the solution is not to put them in jail over a laps in judgment. Perhaps it will be enough of a wake up and they will get help. Too many people I know are dealing with the fall out from drug use and could have used a helping hand instead of being locked up out of site.
I believe Trump will lose the popular vote by ~4.5M votes. Florida and the rust belts will go Blue which will seal the deal with the EC.
The Senate will also go Blue.
President Trump will claim it’s a fraudulent result, but other Republicans will distance themselves from Trump (we’ve already started seeing a bit of this), and by the end of his term, Republicans will all but have moved on from this weird point in history.
Long term, Democrats will bring in more radical young progressives like AOC, and the Republicans will want to be seen as a steady consistent staple.
Just a couple days left! I don’t think Trump will concede for awhile, though.
I’m not too far off. Missed Florida and the Senate, and never would have guessed GA would be close to purple (I figured solid red). But Biden is currently up ~4M on popular vote, and plenty more “settled” states have yet to finish counting, and the rust belts came back blue (outside of OH).
I didn’t anticipate much civil unrest, but the Trumpians are surprising me yet again. I don’t quite understand the current protests, though I can definitely see how it looks as everything creeps blue. I think anyone should be able to understand that Trump actively spoke out against mail-in voting, and democrats consistently take COVID safety more seriously, so mail-in votes will be hyper-indexed blue.
I’m extremely surprised by just how close this is in so many states. GA might come down to literally hundreds of votes. Nuts!
Republicans picked up 5 House seats and maintain a majority in the Senate. (That may or may not change depending on GA's runoff election.) I'm not unhappy. Hopefully Speaker Pelosi will be replaced.
The Dems talked about COVID 19 like they gave a damn but, sure as hell didn't compromise to get any help out to hurting Americans. I didn't have much confidence President Trump would win the popular vote, there's just too many Trump Haters out there. I can relate though. I'm not a DJT fan but, I still think he did a great job while being bombarded with claims and the attempt to impeach. Honestly, IMHO, Candidate Trump only got elected because of who he ran against. HRC is the reason DJT got elected.
The Dems have sown seeds that will come to haunt them in a few years unless they produce for all Americans. Their problem is, not all Americans agree with their agenda. About half the US thinks a person ought to actually have to earn an income, not get it handed to them by a "Socialist" government.
I'm still a registered Democrat (but you wouldn't know it if you saw my ballot), I didn't leave them, they left me.
Rams
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I still think he did a great job while being bombarded with claims and the attempt to impeach.
Question: Come on, do you really think Obama got a fair-shake?
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Originally posted by blackrams: I'm still a registered Democrat (but you wouldn't know it if you saw my ballot), I didn't leave them, they left me. Rams
Originally posted by tebailey: Rupert would be so proud of you.
Even more vague than declaring everyone gun toting racists.
I searched and found this, not sure what it has to do with anything. I've never watched.
"Rupert is an animated television series based on the Mary Tourtel character Rupert Bear, which aired from 1991 to 1997 with 65 half-hour episodes produced."
Originally posted by Boondawg: Question: Come on, do you really think Obama got a fair-shake?
Actually, I do. The Republicans played by the rules, some of which were written by the Dem majority of the past. President Obama asked for and pushed radical change. Large ships and nations don't turn on a dime. We may end up where President Obama wanted to take us eventually but, the nation as a whole will need to agree with it.
President Trump did some amazing things (from my perspective). He may not have won this re-election bid (we'll know soon enough) but, he set us on a course that will last for decades (SCOTUS) and I personally agree with much of what he tried to do. I didn't agree with most of what President Obama did. President Obama should be given credit (or blame) for much of the division currently running in this country but, people seem to have forgotten how divisive his agenda was and blame President Trump for the divide.
Rams
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Even more vague than declaring everyone gun toting racists.
I searched and found this, not sure what it has to do with anything. I've never watched.
"Rupert is an animated television series based on the Mary Tourtel character Rupert Bear, which aired from 1991 to 1997 with 65 half-hour episodes produced."
Republicans picked up 5 House seats and maintain a majority in the Senate. (That may or may not change depending on GA's runoff election.) I'm not unhappy. Hopefully Speaker Pelosi will be replaced.
The Dems talked about COVID 19 like they gave a damn but, sure as hell didn't compromise to get any help out to hurting Americans. I didn't have much confidence President Trump would win the popular vote, there's just too many Trump Haters out there. I can relate though. I'm not a DJT fan but, I still think he did a great job while being bombarded with claims and the attempt to impeach. Honestly, IMHO, Candidate Trump only got elected because of who he ran against. HRC is the reason DJT got elected.
The Dems have sown seeds that will come to haunt them in a few years unless they produce for all Americans. Their problem is, not all Americans agree with their agenda. About half the US thinks a person ought to actually have to earn an income, not get it handed to them by a "Socialist" government.
I'm still a registered Democrat (but you wouldn't know it if you saw my ballot), I didn't leave them, they left me.
That's not so cut and dried. That the Democratic leadership (Pelosi et al) refused to "compromise" on the Covid-19 relief negotiations. It's not just a question of numbers ($) but also the particulars--the different ideas (R vs D) about exactly what kinds of Covid-19 relief should be enabled.
Not that there weren't some public remarks from House Democrats along similar lines to what I highlighted here from "Rams." To the extent that they wanted their leader Nancy Pelosi to yield some ground (or yield even more ground?) to have another Covid-relief package in place before Election Day. At least, they said that.
I like Nancy Pelosi better than Donald Trump or Steve Mnuchin (or Mitch McConnell, for that matter), as mediated by the mediums (media) of TV and online print. That's all I think I'm capable of understanding with any near-absolute level of conviction. "Rams" on the other hand ...
I'll leave it at that. Maybe this will set the stage for a "Boondawg." That would make me feel like an NFL running back that took a handoff and rushed for not even a yard of gain (even got dropped behind the line of scrimmage) but then watched from the sidelines as his team connected on a deep pass route on the very next play from scrimmage.
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Yes but those are also crimes and have not been reduced. This is only going to change for the people that have a small amount of the drugs on them. If there are other crimes committed at the same time then they should face the consequences for those actions.
I would rather people not do drugs that hook them and ruin their lives but the solution is not to put them in jail over a laps in judgment. Perhaps it will be enough of a wake up and they will get help. Too many people I know are dealing with the fall out from drug use and could have used a helping hand instead of being locked up out of site.
Actions have consequences. In for a pence--in for a pound.
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You're talking about the crime of "stealing" (theft). But who cares how someone "get's there"?
No, I'm talking about why society cares what someone else puts into their body. In reference to drugs, they too often, don't just affect the user, and too often, the other people that are affected by it is an adverse effect..
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It's not one sided. There are diff types of drug users, unfortunately. Got several acquaintances who are well employed recreational users and having literally grown up around drug use I've always been open to liberalizing the attitude. I still am but less so now. Drug using fry cooks don't just want legalized drug use, they want mandatory minimum wage increases to be be to afford to remain stoned fry cooks.
A 65 year old POS with a family trust fortune bought the house across the street to flip. He moved his multiple felony theft convicted meth-heroine-pill addicted son into the house (19 times in rehab, so the man knew what he was putting here). The son invited his drug addict friends over. Then the flipper started letting recently released drug rehab women stay there until they found another place, because his daughter worked at the rehab place (which means she's prob a recovering addict).
Daddy's rule said that when he picked Sonnyboy up to take him to work, everybody had to leave the house. Well SonnyBoy just left a window unlocked and the urchins would come back in an hour and let themselves in the house to use all day. Then the son started dealing small quantities out of the house. His goal as a felon was to never do physical work again and move to Colorado and operate a grow house (is a felon even allowed to do that there?). Instead he took up with someone's wife, stole her car and picked up another felony arrest.
The dealing out of the house episodes are when I made the call to complain to the POS father. The POS owner did immediately kick his son out, but SonnyBoy kept coming back especially on the weekends and especailly around 2-4 am. They'd park in the carport and shoot up or cook and smoke it. SonnyBoy had a trust allowance of about $1k per month but with promises of much more if he would straighten up. It will never happen and Daddy will keep bailing him out.
It's usually not the main person who causes the problem. It's the satellite people. Shortly after SonnyBoy moved in cars started getting broken into. The house sold but I occasionally see an out of place car scoping out the house over there. The new owners don't know the history.
Originally posted by maryjane: Actions have consequences. In for a pence--in for a pound.
No, I'm talking about why society cares what someone else puts into their body. In reference to drugs, they too often, don't just affect the user, and too often, the other people that are affected by it is an adverse effect..
So, shortly after Ol'Joe is inaugurated, the Hunter Biden issue will resurface, brought forth by AOC and company. The Biden impeachment will move quickly and the purveyors of propaganda will celebrate the historic significance of the Harris presidency.
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So, shortly after Ol'Joe is inaugurated, the Hunter Biden issue will resurface, brought forth by AOC and company. The Biden impeachment will move quickly and the purveyors of propaganda will celebrate the historic significance of the Harris presidency.
I honestly doubt the Hunter Biden issue will ever be brought up again unless the Republican led Senate investigates. The Dems will hold down AOC’s “Squad” at least as long as Speaker Pelosi is at the helm.
I honestly doubt the Hunter Biden issue will ever be brought up again unless the Republican led Senate investigates. The Dems will hold down AOC’s “Squad” at least as long as Speaker Pelosi is at the helm.
Rams
You're probably right. They won't have any trouble finding other excuses to remove Ol'Joe.
The thing that worries me most under Biden and Harris is foreign policy. Can you imagine Joe or Kammie in a tet-a-tet with the likes of Putin or Xi?
...... they too often, don't just affect the user, and too often, the other people that are affected by it is an adverse effect..
Which is EXACTLY the same argument the left uses to justify every-single-one of their bans. From guns, to speech, to food, to smoking, to strip bars, to every thong else imaginable. "Think of the children, they are offfeennnndddeeedddd". Well, fkuck the children.
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Which is EXACTLY the same argument the left uses to justify every-single-one of their bans. From guns, to speech, to food, to smoking, to strip bars, to every thong else imaginable. "Think of the children, they are offfeennnndddeeedddd". Well, fkuck the children.
Which is EXACTLY the same argument the left uses to justify every-single-one of their bans. From guns, to speech,...
They can't take away your right to protect yourself no matter what emotional fake plea they use. Thats the difference. There isnt a zero tolerance policy that fits all scenarios.
It seems simple, but time-and-time again people who claim to support that very concept all-of-a-sudden get all "foggy-in-the-head" when it comes to applying that very same concept to others. It would be weird, if it wasn't so obvious.
How silly is it that we're still dealing with this same ol' sh!t. It's no wonder we never get anywhere...
We should really learn to love one another. I mean, hasn't it been long enough? Just sayin'.
Originally posted by Boondawg: Freedom>Personal Responsibility>Choices>Consequences.
Boonie--Please note, I'm speaking in generalizations, here. I'm NOT directing this towards you, bro.
On with the early morning, coffee is still brewing, why can't UPS get here with my bike part so I can ride rant.
As long as someones "choices" don't heap "consequences" on someone else, I say do whatever you want. I may not agree with the ethics of it but it's not my life. If you want to take drugs, drive at high speeds or skydive without a parachute, it makes no difference to me. If someone takes drugs and robs/kills someone ELSE, it DOES matter to me.
One thing to note, most people are too selfish to realize that even though they might think the consequences of their actions only affect themselves, they rarely do. If you drink and drive and run into a tree in the middle of nowhere AND you no longer have ANY family/friends left AND you're driving a paper car that will disintegrate when it rains, feeding the grass and trees (is that a little much? ), you may STILL affect someone else. What happens when the happy family of 4 (mum, dad, 2 small kids and a dog) are hiking a week later and come across your mangled body. Unless they're the Manson family, they'll be scarred. Someone elses consequences for you choices.
Personally, I'm all for legalizing weed. I don't think it's any more "dangerous" than alcohol and probably less so. Probably far fewer fights, etc from that. I can picture it now. "Hey, man! You stepped on my foot! I'm gonna whup your ***!...........But first, I'm going to have a Twinkie and a bag of chips and maybe take a short nap. How about a hug?"
They can't take away your right of self defense? Well they can't make a US citizen disappear with no charges, counsel or habeas corpus either except they can. The goal here is to disarm Americans just like so many others.
And who the hell cares if someone is racist?! Some here want to legalize drugs because freedom but someone else isn't allowed to have beliefs they don't want them to have. Hypocrisy much? Only minorities are allowed to be racist.
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They can't take away your right of self defense? Well they can't make a US citizen disappear with no charges, counsel or habeas corpus either except they can.
Even more vague than declaring everyone gun toting racists.
I searched and found this, not sure what it has to do with anything. I've never watched.
"Rupert is an animated television series based on the Mary Tourtel character Rupert Bear, which aired from 1991 to 1997 with 65 half-hour episodes produced."
I forgot your a trumpster, I have to explain, Rupert Murdoch the father of American propaganda.
claims and the attempt to impeach. Honestly, IMHO, Candidate Trump only got elected because of who he ran against. HRC is the reason DJT got elected.
