That's good to hear. I hope voter turnout is similar to this across the entire US. That way, no matter who wins, we won't need to hear the losing side whine about how 30% of the population has determined the electoral outcome.
Oh i wouldn't count on that Patrick. We already have record turn outs all over the country. But! Trump has already declared for months, or even longer, that if he loses, its because the system is "rigged", and the Dem's cheated. So if Biden win's, the Republicans will clamp onto that narrative and carry it for years. Flip it the other way, Trump and the Republicans have been on a massive crusade with lawyers, filing lawsuits in states, doing what he can to get as many mail in ballots thrown out as possible, and they are not even trying to hide that fact. So if Trump wins, the Democrats will latch onto that, and that's all we'll hear about for the next 4 years.
Which ever one wins, the other side is going to be butthurt. How butthurt? and how will they react? We'll have to wait and see. Either side has its radicals that are more than capable and willing to take things too far.
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Honestly, at this point, I'll just be glad when it's over. I'm tired of getting a mailbox FULL of "VOTE FOR ME" flyers and my phone blowing up with texts (that I didn't ask for) stating the same thing. I was thisclose to voting for "other". Both candidates suck, IMHO. One's a shady criminal who only cares about himself and the other doesn't support the things I believe in (for the most part). (You decide which one is which.)
Oh i wouldn't count on that Patrick. We already have record turn outs all over the country. But! Trump has already declared for months, or even longer, that if he loses, its because the system is "rigged", and the Dem's cheated. So if Biden win's, the Republicans will clamp onto that narrative and carry it for years. Flip it the other way, Trump and the Republicans have been on a massive crusade with lawyers, filing lawsuits in states, doing what he can to get as many mail in ballots thrown out as possible, and they are not even trying to hide that fact. So if Trump wins, the Democrats will latch onto that, and that's all we'll hear about for the next 4 years.
Which ever one wins, the other side is going to be butthurt. How butthurt? and how will they react? We'll have to wait and see. Either side has its radicals that are more than capable and willing to take things too far.
Elections have always been that way. Just way more people are connected and watching. If we didn't have the media and social aspect this would have been an entirely different race.
I drove by the primary polling station in my county this afternoon. The 2 parking lots across the roads from it looked full and much like a an nfl tailgating party. Flags, BBQ pits, signs all over. 2 opposing camps. Probably the biggest public/active & visual turnout I've seen in my life, but I spent a lot of years overseas. Living in interesting times..
Anyone staying up late to watch the minute by minute calls? Although it's noon here in China I am not watching anything. Just tell me whether I need to riot or go back to work.
Anyone staying up late to watch the minute by minute calls? Although it's noon here in China I am not watching anything. Just tell me whether I need to riot or go back to work.
There are several of us who will not be able to sleep until we know the answer. If I had to make a guess one way or the other, I would say that Trump will win. No big surprises.
There are several of us who will not be able to sleep until we know the answer. If I had to make a guess one way or the other, I would say that Trump will win. No big surprises.
I don't know if we will get an answer one way or the other tonight. Some are saying the battleground states will be to close to call. However, as the map looks currently, if Trump holds on where he is leading I will be wrong and he will win. Biden has more called for him in his column but he's going to need to rally in several states to improve his projected possible electoral pool. I'm more focused on the Senate and the House as if the Republicans take the House and retain the Senate, Biden winning can end up being a moot point. Even if the Democrats take the Senate bu the Republicans take the House, Biden will feel the pain Trump has been feeling these last years. On the other hand if the Republicans take the House and lose the Senate and Trump wins, he will have a different type of quagmire going forward.
Unfortunately, I have to work early so I will be off to bed very shortly. I will probably wake up to a political map that will leave me wondering what happened.
I don't know if we will get an answer one way or the other tonight. Some are saying the battleground states will be to close to call. However, as the map looks currently, if Trump holds on where he is leading I will be wrong and he will win. Biden has more called for him in his column but he's going to need to rally in several states to improve his projected possible electoral pool. I'm more focused on the Senate and the House as if the Republicans take the House and retain the Senate, Biden winning can end up being a moot point. Even if the Democrats take the Senate bu the Republicans take the House, Biden will feel the pain Trump has been feeling these last years. On the other hand if the Republicans take the House and lose the Senate and Trump wins, he will have a different type of quagmire going forward.
Unfortunately, I have to work early so I will be off to bed very shortly. I will probably wake up to a political map that will leave me wondering what happened.
I think you have about summed it up. I don't expect any big news over the next few hours so I will try to get some sleep, but I will probably wake up every hour or so and check the news.
Oh, and don't give up on Arizona yet.
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I haven't followed it closely tonight at all , but it is a very tight race so far (12:23am central time) Texas has stayed red is all I can say so far and it appears Florida did too.. Looks like Arizona went to Biden tho. Good night.
I haven't followed it closely tonight at all , but it is a very tight race so far (12:23am central time) Texas has stayed red is all I can say so far and it appears Florida did too.. Looks like Arizona went to Biden tho. Good night.
Arizona 84% reported. About 500,000 votes left to count Biden has about 100,000 lead And the call it
7am ET and according to the MSN map (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/elections-2020/results-map), nobody's won yet. Maybe there are more accurate maps, maybe not.
I volunteered to work the polls in my voting precinct yesterday. Was a long day, bad knees don't help.... We were (almost) overwhelmed with the number of voters. Final tally showed that almost 82% of the registered voters came to vote yesterday (my understanding is that the norm is around 30 to 35%), that doesn't count mail in/absentee votes. Sheriff's deputies came to help control traffic. Congestion was the rule of the day. But, we got it done.
The rules specifically state that no lobbying or political signage can be within 150 feet of the polling place, I had to ask several folks to remove Trump facemasks and MAGA hats and a few folks wearing Biden masks/pins. Only one gave me any grief about it. Claimed I was violating her rights to free speech. She eventually gave up and turned her mask inside out and covered her MAGA hat with an American flag looking scarf. I really do believe she was just testing the waters to see if she could get her mug on TV. To my knowledge, she didn't get her wish.
What I did discover was that Mississippi has some beautiful voters. Yeah, I don't get out much. Wink
There was a news blurb this morning, where they were interviewing a Mississippi voter that stated the state had some of the oldest ugliest election workers she had ever seen.. Unfortunately, it was subscription, so I didn't get to read it all or see the video part.
I see Oregon has now decriminalized all drugs, including heroin and psycho-delics.
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According to an "expert" some states have 2 weeks to count absentees. So I wouldnt expect final counts til at least around then.
And to think America has gone into other Countries to help them establish elections systems. I figured that this election would be close, contested and protested. The pattern has already been laid out with the chatter about leaving the White House and voter fraud. The ball has been pitched and now the conspiracy theorists are swinging for the fence.
One thing I wonder, with the towns I heard that braced for "protests", if those "protests" don't happen til two weeks from now, will they still be ready?
One thing I wonder, with the towns I heard that braced for "protests", if those "protests" don't happen til two weeks from now, will they still be ready?
Have there been any significant or violent protests today in the states that are known to have gone or stayed red?
(I assume not any in your state since (last I read) it voted/was called for Biden)
There was a news blurb this morning, where they were interviewing a Mississippi voter that stated the state had some of the oldest ugliest election workers she had ever seen.. Unfortunately, it was subscription, so I didn't get to read it all or see the video part.
Source??? Ya gotta provide a source!!!!!
We did have a mother/daughter team on one of the voting tables and, I'll admit that even after closing time, they would only attract a lonely Texan. But, I'm told they were originally from Texas.
Just got a chance to look again. The way it looks now, the Senate will probably remain in the hands of the right. The House will likely stay in the hands of the left. Biden will likely win leaving the American people screwed as the Senate does whatever it can to block what comes from the House.
Prepare for SCOTUS packing attempts. All those who have said “still your President”, well Biden will likely be your President until he gets pushed out by Harris and Pelosi.
This election result, as close as it is just displays how deeply divided this country has become. It also shows that you can have ALL the support and votes you want in a red state, but those above what it takes to win the electoral in that state won’t change anything nationally (and vice versa). Republicans and Democrats are going to have to push for votes in those places they won’t win to sway minds until they sway enough to matter. Otherwise those places just become breeding grounds for the opposite party. Ignoring states you have no chance of winning will not make your future chances any better.
The apparent results I’m seeing so far do not surprise me. I was feeling hopeful because I had to. In the end though it looks like what I feared will likely come to pass. I have some ideas of what we may see in the near future. I just don’t know how any possible stimulus type relief will come to the American people with a party that is going to be bitter over their lose and is in a position to block what the house sends to them. Many people may likely be rewarded with evictions, foreclosures and shut downs for their support of their candidate. Can’t say I wouldn’t expect the same though if the Presidential winner was Trump and the control in Congress stayed as it is and likely will be again. Well maybe not a national call for economic shutdowns but more rampant virus spreading instead.
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I see Oregon has now decriminalized all drugs, including heroin and psycho-delics.
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Oregonians made their state the first in the United States to decriminalize the personal possession of illegal drugs, including cocaine, heroin, oxycodone and methamphetamine.
Measure 110 was passing by a wide margin in unofficial returns updated Wednesday morning.
The ballot measure reclassifies possession of small amounts of drugs as a civil violation, similar to a traffic offense. The penalty becomes a $100 fine, which a person can avoid by agreeing to participate in a health assessment. Selling and manufacturing drugs will remain illegal.
I agree with this and wish it could be adapted in more of the states and at the Federal level. Criminalizing user is not going to fix it, filling up prisons with users is not going to fix it. Skull ****ing those that manufacture and sell the drugs is also something that I agree with.
Get the drugs off the street, hit the dealers and the organized drug rings. I would also like to see those that were put in prison for these offences be let out if that is the only reason they are behind bars. Too much effort has been put into ****ing over the users and it doesn't leave room to **** up the dealers.
Rinselberg, you should be ashamed of yourself. To call that person fat is body shaming and to assume that that person is a lady just shows your xenophobic, binary bias. You might have to go to reeducation camp.
(The common association for that phrase is Wagner's Brunnhilde as she rides off into Siegfried's funeral pyre, but that image appears to be Barber's Cleopatra.)
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I agree with this and wish it could be adapted in more of the states and at the Federal level. Criminalizing user is not going to fix it, filling up prisons with users is not going to fix it. Skull ****ing those that manufacture and sell the drugs is also something that I agree with.
Get the drugs off the street, hit the dealers and the organized drug rings. I would also like to see those that were put in prison for these offences be let out if that is the only reason they are behind bars. Too much effort has been put into ****ing over the users and it doesn't leave room to **** up the dealers.
Agreed. Why anyone should care or have anything whatsoever to say about what someone else puts in or does to/with their own body is beyond me.
Personal freedom, personal responsibility. Who could be against that?
Agreed. Why anyone should care or have anything whatsoever to say about what someone else puts in or does to/with their own body is beyond me.
Personal freedom, personal responsibility. Who could be against that?
Close, I believe they need help, not to have their life destroyed. Its still against the law they just reduced the punishment.
The reason its controlled in the first place is not because anyone cares what you put in your body. Its to manage those that would take advantage of you because you like putting things in your body.
Please do not share any more about what you put in your body, that is your choice.
You're right, the right is not populated by spoiled children. It's populated with ignorant racist's armed with AR-15's.
You know **** you that's why, if you were here right now I would shoot you. A lot. <-- see that's a joke..
That's a very big brush you are using, perhaps you should look in the mirror next time you utter that and see if it stings at all. <-- not so much Doesn't bother me as I am not either.
Agreed. Why anyone should care or have anything whatsoever to say about what someone else puts in or does to/with their own body is beyond me.
Personal freedom, personal responsibility. Who could be against that?
How many crimes (against society and family) are drug related? 17% to 18% of all state and federal prisoners were convicted of crimes involvoing some kind of theft in order to buy drugs. Property related and personal assault/robbery type crimes, not the act of using drugs. Or, as the Dept of Justice found:
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A 2017 Bureau of Justice report reveals that 21% of sentenced people in state prisons and local jails are incarcerated for crimes committed to obtain drugs or money for drugs. Almost 40% of people locked up for property crimes and 14% of those incarcerated for violent crimes reported that they had committed their most serious offense for drug-related reasons. If these figures hold for the entire prison and jail population, that means over 473,000 people are behind bars for seeking drugs.
They aren't usually stealing drugs. They're stealing money to buy drugs. Or stealing other people's 'stuff' to sell for money to buy drugs.
Ya gotta provide a source!!!!! 
But, I'm told they were originally from Texas. 
