That would be an example of 'someone voting in anothers name', which I was told doesn't happen.
No biggie, I'm sure it only happened in one nursing home, in one county, and only one State.
I posted a link to a study. Todd has an anecdote. It’s not that I don’t believe it happened, I just have no evidence that this happens on any scalable level.
If you find any supporting evidence otherwise, let me know.
You haven't posted a link since I asked, and you ignored my question.
Your statement - "This doesn't happen" is an opinion that you stated. It was not qualified in any way, such as "This doesn't happen often enough to affect an election".
I disregarded your link to the Brennan propaganda.
A fellow Forum member says that this very thing happened to his elderly relative.
Have you anything to contribute?
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You haven't posted a link since I asked, and you ignored my question.
Your statement - "This doesn't happen" is an opinion that you stated. It was not qualified in any way, such as "This doesn't happen often enough to affect an election".
I disregarded your link to the Brennan propaganda.
A fellow Forum member says that this very thing happened to his elderly relative.
Have you anything to contribute?
I haven’t posted a new link, no... it’s the same question and the same answer. If you have something that disproves my link, let me know. You can disregard it as propaganda while holding up OANN as your source of choice, if you’d like. My job isn’t to show you how to know the difference between an anecdote from a friend, peer-reviewed research, various news networks, and unproven conspiracy theories. You’ll have to do that all on your own.
My statement “this doesn’t happen” came with a link. That link is a study that says it happens so infrequently that it’s barely worth mentioning. The link carried the qualifier with it, you don’t require my subtext to be explicit.
Do I have anything to contribute? Do you? Do any of us?
PA reported 200 thousand more votes than voters and Joe won by 80 thousand votes but we are told no cheating in PA . i just wanted tp make it clear it was the GOP Legislatures of PA reported that on Fox news
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I think that President-elect Biden ought to consider reviving the idea that President Trump went with, of setting up a Presidential commission to review and improve the way that elections are carried out and the way that the votes are collected and counted. To try and get more commonality about it among the 50 states.
I think the "Elections Best Practices Commission" would be a good name for it.
Just the two most recent polls that are listed, from JMC Analytics and Trafalgar Group.
I recognized the name "Trafalgar Group" because back before the November elections, I posted something here about it. That the man that heads up this polling enterprise was explaining why other pollsters and polling groups were underestimating the support for President Trump, and explaining why his polling methodology is more accurate.
Anyone else looking at the latest polls for the Senate runoff elections in Georgia on Tuesday?
No, but been reading some of the jabs and punches being thrown about. Getting down and dirty in the Peach State.
It all depends which side can get the most voters out to actually vote.
My best hope right now is that the GOP can consider themselves very lucky to win 1 of the races. It's going to be tight but my gut still says the dems will win both.
Is that one of the two signature discrepancies that were identified in the Cobb County signature audit that was reported as completed on Tuesday, December 29?
"GBI [Georgia Bureau of Investigation] finishes signature audit in Cobb County, finds only two mismatches" WSBTV(.com); WSBTV 2 Atlanta; December 29, 2020. https://www.wsbtv.com/news/...BORHYJDBGZKKMPC3YAQ/
Gwinnett County is a suburban county of Atlanta in the north central portion of the U.S. state of Georgia. In 2019, the population was estimated to be 936,250, making it the second-most populous county in Georgia. Its county seat is Lawrenceville. The county is named for Button Gwinnett, one of the signatories of the Declaration of Independence.
PA reported 200 thousand more votes than voters and Joe won by 80 thousand votes but we are told no cheating in PA . i just wanted tp make it clear it was the GOP Legislatures of PA reported that on Fox news
This is just more fake news propagated by Trump (I first heard this when Trump tweeted it a few days ago).
The voters in the SURE system weren’t a complete record of 2020 votes. The claim isn’t true, and is based on wrong data.
Here is a signature match in a Georgia mail-in ballot. Silly people thinking the election was stolen:
Oh wait a minute. Maybe people are suspicious for a reason?
Firstly, we have no proof his voter registration has a different signature. Secondly... according to BJ Van Gundy’s Twitter, Gwinnett County challenged his vote. Lol.
The real election theft was Putin and Trumpuppet stealing the 2016 election- but since Putin helped the conservatives they don't mind what he is doing to America (Anything for your Party....."Right"...?)
Nobody can be taken seriously about election security unless they first speak about the nation that interferes and coerces politicians relentlessly before, during and after every single election. Israel.
Nobody can be taken seriously about election security unless they first speak about the nation that interferes and coerces politicians relentlessly before, during and after every single election. Israel.
Anyone who had any interest about the subject would look into it for themselves. It's a civic duty. Read the Times of Israel and the Jerusalem Post. Not doing our own homework is why we're where we are at. People like taking the bait that the media offers instead of doing a little searching.
AIPAC. Foreign lobbiests that don't have to register as foreign lobbiests even though they're lobbiests for a foreign nation. Yeah, I know some apologists will try to refute that on a technical ruling, but they're a foreign lobbying group. It's why Sarah Palin said the only flag in her office is the Israeli flag.
The elite changed the election contribution system to allow unreal amounts of money and influence from the richest people (corps identify as people so now they are) and look at the top 10 and 20 major campaign donors (like Sheldon Adelson) and what they want from people like Trump. They're buying influence on cabinet picks and advisors. Those advisors are the people telling him to move the embassy, which Iranian general to kill, to pull out of the nuke deal with Iran, etc. The advisors he's given are doing the steering.
It isn't China and Russia with the influence. Netanyahu can address the full Congress and they'll obediently give record numbers of standing ovations because sitting in the balcony are pro-Israeli staffers video-taping all of the Congress. Those tapes and responses determine how much AIPAC supports each congress person monetarily in their elections.
American citizens and dual citizens have flown Presidential candidates to Israel during election cycles to "legally" have campaign raising dinners. Yeah, that seems like a wholesome and great idea. The campaign donations get are legally credited coming from the Americans, but really now.
In the past 30 years, how much did Chinese and Russians contribute in comparison? Are campaign dinners held in Russia and China? How many of the top 10 and 20 campaign contributors have Chinese interests as their main interest?
Sourmash, I actually agree with you on ANY govt having influence over our govt. I am not saying that they can't send representatives to make us aware of situations that we can help with- but actual election influence should be considered an act of war.....
And you do know that Netanyahu is best buds with Putin....
It's comforting to know that because it's adverse to what our media wants us to talk about. What I posted is really all I know about the topic and pretty much all of it comes from radio talk shows like Mike Rivero (who is part Jewish).
Not that I know anything about their relationship, but Putin and Netiyoohoo shouldn't be close with how Israel keeps bombing Russia's ally Syria and has even lead to Russian military deaths. Putin is a world statesman so he isn't going to cut off such a powerful person as Bibi.
PA reported 200 thousand more votes than voters and Joe won by 80 thousand votes but we are told no cheating in PA . i just wanted tp make it clear it was the GOP Legislatures of PA reported that on Fox news
Rep. Russ Diamond, a Republican, is credited with making the discovery and going public with it. In a nutshell, he found that the total number of registered votes cast in Pennsylvania was more than 200,000 beyond the total number of people who actually voted.
Who did the 'excess' vote for?
Had all Pa counties uploaded and certified their vote history totals when Rep Diamond made his 'discovery?
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There were not more votes than voters in Pennsylvania
CLAIM: There were 205,000 more votes than voters in the 2020 election in Pennsylvania.
THE FACTS: A misleading claim about election results based on incomplete data is circulating widely on social media a week before Congress meets to reaffirm Joe Biden’s decisive presidential win. . . . However, these claims rely on incomplete data, according to Wanda Murren, communications director for the Pennsylvania Department of State, who called the lawmakers’ release “obvious misinformation.” . . .
Anyone could go online with this link (below) to fill in the dots where I have the ellipsis (. . .) notation.
Well....I am surprised you have even HEARD of it since Fox an OAN hasn't even MENTIONED it......And you guys only listen to Russian-certified News outlets like FAUX and OAN. A number of my "Conservative" friends have been telling me how great Russia is, how great a leader Putin is, and how Russia is "The only Christian country in the world"...My Aunt (Retired Air Force) raved about how great Putin was- the only leader in the world BETTER than Trump....She also told me that Obama was a Communist/Foreign-born Muslim who completely wrecked the country.....There was something about the un-employment rate being at 80%......
You don't actually MIND Russia attacking our country, do you?
I don't understand why we continue to persist with the "Russia" nonsense.
I'm going to speak FACTS here, and I mean this in a polite and frank manner. We've dis-proven numerous times that there was any collusion between President Trump and Vladimir Putin. I mean, this has been proven over and over and over. Numerous investigations, a special council, even leaking of e-mails and his tax returns have shown no such collusion.
Let's go over some more facts. We know that Russia "preferred" Trump. This is because Trump is not a fan of NATO, or more correctly, not a fan of the United States paying for NATO. This was a PLUS for Russia for a couple of reasons... a unified NATO and EU is harder for Russia to enact its influence on individual European countries.
Reality is, Russia is a shadow of its former self. They have two air craft carriers, one burned down, the other was built in the 1970s. They have a pathetic military and could quite honestly be defeated by nearly half the countries of this world. Most of their nuclear arms could barely get off the ground at this point, and Russia chooses to focus on small technological advancements in areas where they can still have an impact... e.g. hyper-sonic missiles, cyber warfare, etc.
Russia is also not a fan of China. They are basically enemies as they've had a long standing disagreement on the "type" of Communism that should exist in the world. Russia has historically built numerous military bases along it's satellite countries to protect against an attempted Chinese invasion. That's not so much the case anymore because China and Russia have MOSTLY buried the hatchet, but they are still not "allies." And anything that goes against China, is good for Russia. Bottom line, Trump was anti-China, and against US tax-dollars going to NATO.
FOR THAT REASON ALONE, Russia pushed propaganda that (for the most part) looked to sway the election towards Trump. I don't know any Republicans or Conservatives that ACTUALLY like Russia, other than being nostalgic for the 1980s / Red Dawn / Ronald Reagan / Red Scare days. You admire your adversary... but I don't know anyone who is Conservative that likes Putin or think that the Russian way of life is a good thing. On the other hand, Russia... USSR and CCCP have historically ALWAYS been on the side of the Democrats simply because they view Socialism (which is about as close as you can get to Communism) as a good thing. So Russia has always found allies in Democrats. We have far more examples of actual collusion with Democrats and Russians than you do with Republicans. Bernie Sanders even honeymooned in Moscow and praised the Communist regime. He still feels this way.
ALTERNATELY... you have the entire Middle-East, and most of Asia (minus Japan and Russia) that is PRO-Democrat. Democrats... I should say the politicians and the extreme left (Sanders, AOC, etc.) are big fans of Socialism and believe the United States needs to be remade into a socialist-minded country. For this reason, Democrats find allies in China, and the Middle-East countries are pro-Democrat because Democrats are anti-oil which means they'll enact anti-oil policies which will reduce oil production in the US and improve oil prices in the middle-East.
I really wish we would get off Russia and focus on China... but I don't think China is really a concern of yours. Russia is, again, a shadow of its former self. They are a cyber threat, but beyond that the country is a joke. China is far more a threat than Russia in every single facet and category... yet my ultra-liberal friends and family seem enamored with China and support that government ideology... which is crazy.
We actually have proven that Hunter Biden has accepted money from China, and to that extent, probably a good 25% of our Congress (or more) is actively manipulated and influenced by China. We all know about Eric Swallwell, but even Mitch McConnell with his wife Ms Choa is a threat. No one seems to take this seriously, and Biden seems to believe that we should make amends with China (become complacent). You should question why.
Whether you want to root for the Democrats, or you believe the Republicans are your "home team." You all should REALLY be concerned with China and what they are doing. The goal of all these disinformation campaigns is to pit all of us against each other. This is working quite well... meanwhile all of our politicians are being actively infiltrated by China. We need to all... regardless of your views, take a serious stance against China.
My personal opinion, I think it's too late...
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I've addressed this a few times before. Make your own opinion about why... but social media and even Microsoft and Google (though Google far worse than Microsoft) is actively blocking and eliminating anything that suggests voter fraud. Again... you can make up your mind as to why you think this is being done, but it is actually very much being done. As much as it might pain you, or make you sick... you need to start looking at websites that are not CNN, MSNBC, or the usual "circle jerk" of journalism. I encourage you to take a look at Epoch Times. Although some of their titles are a bit sensationalist (as are all news organizations), they tamper down anything that isn't confirmed and will not make claims unless they have actual proof. Lots of good information there.
Here's one I found that I haven't been able to confirm it's authenticity yet.
This is just more fake news propagated by Trump (I first heard this when Trump tweeted it a few days ago).
The voters in the SURE system weren’t a complete record of 2020 votes. The claim isn’t true, and is based on wrong data.
The claim is that there were 200,000 more mail in ballots counted than the State sent out.
I have not heard the claim that your link refers too. The website refutes a claim that was not made by anyone involved in the investigation of election circumstances.
The letter -- signed by Dick Cheney, James Mattis, Mark Esper, Leon Panetta, Donald Rumsfeld, William Cohen, Chuck Hagel, Robert Gates, William Perry and Ashton Carter -- amounts to a remarkable show of force against Trump's subversion efforts just days before Congress is set to count Electoral College votes. "Our elections have occurred. Recounts and audits have been conducted. Appropriate challenges have been addressed by the courts. Governors have certified the results. And the electoral college has voted. The time for questioning the results has passed; the time for the formal counting of the electoral college votes, as prescribed in the Constitution and statute, has arrived," the group wrote.
The US military will back and defend the US Constitution without fail.
The claim is that there were 200,000 more mail in ballots counted than the State sent out.
I have not heard the claim that your link refers too. The website refutes a claim that was not made by anyone involved in the investigation of election circumstances.
One of the key methods in determining if someone is a liar is when they answer a question that wasn't asked.
82-T/A...First, I appreciate the civility with which you answered- If everyone in America on both sides responded like that we would be far better off.
Second, although I agree with you on the "Liberals have a cozier relationship with Russia" in the past...Most of Trumps business dealing have been related to Russia and the Russian mob, Rudy has a very tight relationship with Russia also- There was a lot of obvious effort to sway the elections towards Trump.....Fox News is owned and run by Rupert Murdock, who's best friend and business partner is Vladimir Putin. OAN is completely controlled by Russia also. Heck, Russia was even trying to slip an agent into the NRA! QAnon is controlled by Russia also..... Think about this; "Everyone was watching to the LEFT for any danger...meanwhile the enemy slipped in from the RIGHT"
Here is something else to consider; What if Russia is playing BOTH sides against each other? I have serious doubts about the reliability of CNN. What if Putin is having BS fed to the left thru CNN? Remember this; Together we stand, divided we fall
I stopped watching the local Fox Affiliate around 2000-2002...But most of my friends (Who are conservatives) continued to watch and especially the cable crap (I will never...suck on a cable- would rather just read books). Around 2005 they started saying really ridiculous things, and they got worse as the years passed.
The final straw was the whole Jade Helm crap. And then suddenly, Trump was the "Only man who should lead this great nation!!!" and suddenly he rose to power.
i wanted Jeb Bush to be elected in 2016- I especially liked that during his running of Florida, they passed some extremely conservative legislation...after a year it was obviously not working the way they had expected; Instead of putting his head down and saying "Stay the Course!!!" he went to the state Legislature and stated "We need to change course on this- it is not working"
I wish more politicians- On BOTH sides- would have the strength of character to do that; We can try crazy ideas- but we need to have the courage to actually accept when ideas don't work.
What if Russia is playing BOTH sides against each other?
There is no IF about it. Putin and the Russians may not have a military equal to the West, but they aren't dumb and they have had decades to hone their skills, knowing full well how to play America against itself. Putin himself was KGB earlier in life for 16 years.. He knows how the paths run.
cvxjet, you know how I know you only care about anti-Republicanism? You only spout 2 year old cable news talking points. I see nothing in your posts that support that you read books.
The most damaging spy in our lifetime (reports say US history) was just released from prison. He was granted citizenship in the foreign country that he spied for while still in a US prison. The Prime Minister of that foreign country greeted him personally with a hero's welcome when he arrived there. That foreign country allows the Russian mafia to operate with impunity in their borders. That contry even sold US spy info to the Soviet Union. That foreign nation has your credit card info, your buying history, your internet browsing history, your cell data including names and numbers of your contacts and conversations of our texts.
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Pollard and his wife moved to Israel where they were greeted on arrival by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
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Jonathan Jay Pollard (born August 7, 1954) is a former intelligence analyst for the United States government. In 1987, as part of a plea agreement, Pollard pleaded guilty to spying for and providing top-secret classified information to Israel. He was sentenced to life in prison for violations of the Espionage Act.[1]
Pollard is the only American who has received a life sentence for passing classified information to an ally of the U.S.[2] In defense of his actions, Pollard declared that he committed espionage only because "the American intelligence establishment collectively endangered Israel's security by withholding crucial information".[3] Israeli officials, U.S.-Israeli activist groups, and some U.S. politicians who saw his punishment as unfair lobbied continually for reduction or commutation of his sentence.[4] The Israeli government acknowledged a portion of its role in Pollard's espionage in 1987, and issued a formal apology to the U.S.,[5] but did not admit to paying him until 1998. Over the course of his imprisonment, Israel made repeated unsuccessful attempts through both official and unofficial channels to secure his release.[6] He was granted Israeli citizenship in 1995
If you get a chance to, you might look up Locked Up Abroad Season 6 episode 13 titled The Hasidic King of Coke
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When a strictly orthodox Jewish grocer becomes a cocaine smuggler, his traditional appearance makes him invisible to customs officers, until his decision to become 'the Jewish Pablo Escobar' leads to a stretch in a violent Brazilian prison.
There's also this Hasidic smuggling ring you can look into:
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In the late 1990s, an Israeli Canadian named Sean Erez set up one of the biggest Ecstasy smuggling rings in the United States by using Hasidic Jews in New York as couriers. Erez and his associates roped in young Orthodox boys by telling them that they would smuggle diamonds from Europe. Erez counted on the fact that the Hasidic adolescents would join in a scheme that allowed them to rebel against their restrictive lifestyle. In the operation’s peak year, the Hasidic carriers brought more than 1 million Ecstasy pills from Holland through John F. Kennedy International Airport. As the carriers’ mistakes added up over time, Erez and his associates were arrested in 1999 and 2000, respectively. “Holy Rollers,” a feature film based on the debacle and starring Jesse Eisenberg, was released in 2010.
These were 17-18 year old Hasidic boys. But guess who's parents didn't care that they were flying all over the world at that age? They all knew they were smuggling.
Sour- You do a great job of trying to keep the "Trump-gang" together.....Anyone even suggests doubt of what Trump is doing or spouting and you immediately start calling them "Rinos" or "leftists"......Just like the little gangs in HS. No dissent allowed!!!
Even when I was a hyper-conservative Reagan man back in the 80s I was smart enough to know that >>Questioning<< the actions and motives of our leaders was not only OK, but actually Necessary...And the most important questioning should be reserved for YOUR own party or favorite leader...Don't be a sheep!
Yet the new trump! "Conservatives" make it very clear that they ALL must MARCH!!! with Trump and never question ANYTHING he does...Just like good little brown-shirts.....
When you look at Trump, do you see him bathed in a bright glowing light?
(By the way, I don't like that Israel has so much influence over our country- You know that they are the ones really hoping we take out Iran; Russia/Putin wants us embroiled in ANY war but Israel and Putin's pal Benj want that war to be US soldiers dying in a war for Israel Against Iran)
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Originally posted by cvxjet: Sour- You do a great job of trying to keep the "Trump-gang" together.....Anyone even suggests doubt of what Trump is doing or spouting and you immediately start calling them "Rinos" or "leftists"......Just like the little gangs in HS. No dissent allowed!!!
Bull. You don't do a very good job of anything because you just try to deflect and deflect more.
You just invent things people never say because you can't discuss or even understand what has been said. Trump is meaningless now.
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Even when I was a hyper-conservative Reagan man back in the 80s I was smart enough to know that >>Questioning<< the actions and motives of our leaders was not only OK, but actually Necessary...And the most important questioning should be reserved for YOUR own party or favorite leader...Don't be a sheep!
Bull. You prove my point AGAIN. I have no party. And Reagan was never as conservative as people pretend now. He allowed massive gun control and legalized millions of illegals. His supporters weren't either because that's where the Neo-cons came into the R party.
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Yet the new trump! "Conservatives" make it very clear that they ALL must MARCH!!! with Trump and never question ANYTHING he does...Just like good little brown-shirts.....
When you look at Trump, do you see him bathed in a bright glowing light?
(By the way, I don't like that Israel has so much influence over our country- You know that they are the ones really hoping we take out Iran; Russia/Putin wants us embroiled in ANY war but Israel and Putin's pal Benj want that war to be US soldiers dying in a war for Israel Against Iran)
The only reason we're discussing war with Iran is because Israel wants us to. Same with Iraq and why Syria is in the list.
So you still refuse address the recent spy release and the rogue nation who made him a hero at our expense. Trump is gone. This problem stays no matter whi is President.
