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An American 2nd Amendment thread by 2.5
Started on: 09-28-2020 04:22 PM
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In a time when Biden has plans to allow people to sue ammo manufacturers when and end user uses their ammo for something nefarious....so far this lawsuit is also currently working its way up to suing an ammo retailer as well:

"The latest is the court ruling allowing a lawsuit against the Cabela’s store in Cheektowaga to proceed after it sold ammunition to then- 19-year-old Jake Klocek, who used it in a handgun to accidentally kill 19-year-old Anthony King, a friend he’d invited over while housesitting for an Elma couple.

The suit by the victim’s family contends that Cabela’s – a defendant along with Klocek and the Elma couple – “knew or should have known its failure to use reasonable care” in selling the ammunition to someone like Klocek would result in serious injury or death.

But that claim hinges on the fact that Klocek, under 21 at the time, could not legally buy handgun ammunition.

However, he could legally buy long gun ammunition. And as Cabela’s attorneys point out, the ammunition in question – .45 ACP – can be used in both handguns and rifles. If the clerk asks and the buyer says it’s for a rifle, how is the store supposed to know, short of having a polygraph machine at every register?

Nevertheless, the fact that both a State Supreme Court justice and an appellate court allowed the case to proceed is likely to ripple through the retail firearms industry. If the case makes it to trial and King’s parents win, it’s easy to envision it precipitating more of the types of marketplace constrictions that anti-gun politicians can only dream about..."

https://www.google.com/amp/...35cbb1280b0.amp.html
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If retailers are allowed to be sued for the customers use of ammo they sell, its pretty likely they will stop selling ammo altogether.
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Just wait until they start suing knife, hammer and rock manufacturers.

Maybe a "great reset" is what we need. Wipe it all out and start gain. THIS experiment is a failure.

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Originally posted by 2.5:

In a time when Biden has plans to allow people to sue ammo manufacturers when and end user uses their ammo for something nefarious....so far this lawsuit is also currently working its way up to suing an ammo retailer as well:

"The latest is the court ruling allowing a lawsuit against the Cabela’s store in Cheektowaga to proceed after it sold ammunition to then- 19-year-old Jake Klocek, who used it in a handgun to accidentally kill 19-year-old Anthony King, a friend he’d invited over while housesitting for an Elma couple.

The suit by the victim’s family contends that Cabela’s – a defendant along with Klocek and the Elma couple – “knew or should have known its failure to use reasonable care” in selling the ammunition to someone like Klocek would result in serious injury or death.

But that claim hinges on the fact that Klocek, under 21 at the time, could not legally buy handgun ammunition.

However, he could legally buy long gun ammunition. And as Cabela’s attorneys point out, the ammunition in question – .45 ACP – can be used in both handguns and rifles. If the clerk asks and the buyer says it’s for a rifle, how is the store supposed to know, short of having a polygraph machine at every register?

Nevertheless, the fact that both a State Supreme Court justice and an appellate court allowed the case to proceed is likely to ripple through the retail firearms industry. If the case makes it to trial and King’s parents win, it’s easy to envision it precipitating more of the types of marketplace constrictions that anti-gun politicians can only dream about..."

https://www.google.com/amp/...35cbb1280b0.amp.html



A simple, easy, one page or less "hold harmless wavier" with every ammunition purchase will effectively END this type of litigation.

Yes, I know it creates yet another hoop that we shouldn't have to jump through and it potentially would create a retained record of who bought what with regard to ammunition unless a way is found to create a "blanket" wavier, (which I am sure can be done), but the point is there are ways to stop this type of litigation and protect merchants.

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Just wait until they start suing knife, hammer and rock manufacturers.

Maybe a "great reset" is what we need. Wipe it all out and start gain. THIS experiment is a failure.



Never let a crisis go to waste. A reset is what the Deep State wants to use to remove Constitutionally recognized rights from Americans. The rights that get in the way of furthering tyranny.
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Originally posted by randye:


A simple, easy, one page or less "hold harmless wavier" with every ammunition purchase will effectively END this type of litigation.

Yes, I know it creates yet another hoop that we shouldn't have to jump through and it potentially would create a retained record of who bought what with regard to ammunition unless a way is found to create a "blanket" wavier, (which I am sure can be done), but the point is there are ways to stop this type of litigation and protect merchants.



That's how they sell fireworks in Florida for the last 30 years
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Report this Post11-09-2020 03:25 PM Click Here to See the Profile for 2.5Send a Private Message to 2.5Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
aand we're back.

2009 video, about the past, and its no better now.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlhIW8X5cRU
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What they apparently don't realize when "fighting the NRA" like big tough guys...is they are fighting the American people they are supposed to be serving.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LQZI9COOU4


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NH_TR6fRic8

Groups you can support in addition to the NRA

https://gunowners.org/

https://www.saf.org/

https://www.ccrkba.org/

http://amriflepistol.com/

https://nationalgunrights.org/

https://www.firearmspolicy.org/

https://constitutionalrightspac.com/

https://naaga.co/

http://jpfo.org/

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Is confiscation a farce or just impractical?
Even though they say they will do it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wy6s9Pm_8n8

At 23:30 mins, what they may more likely do.
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Another look from another more well spoken source. Same topic:
Starts 1 min in.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4t-ZgH0H308

Illegal laws and tyrants who dream of fascism.

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Democrats are going to have a really difficult time in the very near future.

Laser guns are becoming easier and easier to make. You can make one from an old CD-ROM... it takes a lot of battery power, and it has to be focused on the target for a few seconds... but if someone actually put in some real effort you'd have something feasible. With Tesla improving battery power and reducing size, we're maybe a decade away from this hitting markets I'd suspect.

Second you can basically 3D print guns anyway... so anyone can make their own gun right now... with CNC machines getting cheaper, people can actually CNC their own guns now too.

I can see all kinds of silly legislation coming out in the near future... none of it will make a bit of difference.
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Yep, and looking back at our freedoms, folks used to be able to buy fully automatic machine guns from a catalog. Now here even just suppressors, used to reduce the need for hearing protection, require you be on an NFA list and a 200 tax.
Sounds like liberal leaders desire for that to be the case for any gun that isn't manual loading for each shot. Meaning anything semi auto. On top of that limiting magazine capacities. Step one is go after the scary looking black rifles, the best selling most populer rifles in the USA. Meanwhile in Norway you can still buy suppressors at the hardware store.
...And meanwhile in the US, criminals still dont follow laws or regulations, so adding more aren't making a difference.

From the 5 min mark
The National Shooting Sports Foundation talks about Biden's plans for gun owners.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wa3Uno0a7ok

Reclassifying firearms, undermining the industry by allowing lawsuits against manufacturers, and using tax money to pressure states against gun owners.

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All of my guns fell in the lake (the deep part) when I was out fishing the other day. Bummer, eh?
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All the girls in my family know their way around firearms.
Sis-n-law with her 243, moved up to a 300 mag later.

2 of my nieces waiting for 'the 200 yard boys' to get thru so they can move up closer to the targets with their handguns. all 3 nieces have concealed carry.

my wife on the end with another PFFer's 300 blackout.

Both my older sisters have their CC.


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Glad to hear your family is good to go.
Though I gotta say I was expecting it.
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Good conversation with an "anti-gun" lady, what her concerns are, and then she shoots a few.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6zWnKBi3ps
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That's funny, Hudini, but sometimes too accurate. I'm all for some modifications but I've seen way too many weapons (pistols and AR types alike) that have more weight in mods than in the stock weapon. I EDC a SIG X Compact. The only "stock" part is the FCU (Fire Control Unit...the only serialized part on the pistol making it the actual pistol....love modularity). Everything else is aftermarket or at least not native to an X Compact. Wilson Combat grip module, Streamlight TLR-7a weapons light, Barsto bull barrel (which is completely unnecessary but it was on sale), Gogun gas pedal, etc. The RDO is a genuine SIG Romeo 1 Pro (although I didn't buy it from SIG) and the slide is a genuine SIG Pro slide. But.....EVERYTHING on the gun is fully functional. It's not Gucci'ed out like so many. If it doesn't enhance the functioning, I don't need it.

(Just so everyone knows, just after I took this pic, this pistol fell in the lake, too. In the deep part.)

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You can't be "tacticool" without all the junk glommed onto your weapon.......(photoshop makes the point nicely)

The house keys on the bottom of the handgrip are a nice touch.

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