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Rebuild of Indy Fiero #163 Super Duty 4 by fierosound
Started on: 11-03-2008 08:53 AM
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Report this Post09-30-2009 12:52 PM Click Here to See the Profile for fierosoundClick Here to visit fierosound's HomePageClick Here to Email fierosoundSend a Private Message to fierosoundEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
How's it drive??? What a difference!

It even SOUNDS like a "race engine" now. Not because I'm winding it up to redline before shifting - because I'm not (always )
- but I am shifting at a slightly higher rpm than the automatic transmission would. Better control, feels faster too.

Much more FUN to drive now too!! Well worth the work to make the switch.

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I'm glad you're enjoying the car more now and happy that my parts went to someone who could put them to good use.

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Report this Post10-04-2009 02:38 PM Click Here to See the Profile for fierosoundClick Here to visit fierosound's HomePageClick Here to Email fierosoundSend a Private Message to fierosoundEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Got the Getrag 5-speed swap finished on on Saturday - went to Car Show NEXT day, Sunday (Sept. 27 2009)
Beautiful fall day, great show. The car drove great!



Today, a week later (Oct. 4), it's cold (just above freezing) with wet snow. Summer's over!

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Report this Post10-19-2009 10:47 PM Click Here to See the Profile for johnyrottinClick Here to Email johnyrottinSend a Private Message to johnyrottinEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
That is not your Indy on ebay is it???
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Report this Post10-20-2009 11:25 AM Click Here to See the Profile for doublec4Click Here to Email doublec4Send a Private Message to doublec4Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Definitely post a video of how it sounds!

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That is not your Indy on ebay is it???


Nope.

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Report this Post10-20-2009 04:59 PM Click Here to See the Profile for johnyrottinClick Here to Email johnyrottinSend a Private Message to johnyrottinEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
No, there is an SD 4 cyl on there that is partially done. I emailed the owner in Bath NY. Her husband has passed and she is selling. I would like to try and get it and finish it for her. A way for her to maintain touch with him...sounds sappy but I would lke to.

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I actually love yours...that is why when I saw this one so close (Bath NY) I kind of did a double take. Read my PM to you. I also looked at the engine setup, since that's the only pictures, and yours is slightly different (to me as a layman) but probably hugely different in truth. Her husband was in the process and died of cancer.

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that is an absolutely beautiful car, excellent job on it!
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that is an absolutely beautiful car, excellent job on it!


Thanks very much. It's been a long, expensive road.

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Tony: Since your the only person that I know of that has had a 4T60 mated to a 4 cylinder, how do you think it would work with a stock (slightly modded) 2.5 as compared to a TH125? And would you stick with the 3.73 gear or change it ?
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Since your the only person that I know of that has had a 4T60 mated to a 4 cylinder, how do you think it would work with a stock (slightly modded) 2.5 as compared to a TH125? And would you stick with the 3.73 gear or change it ?



Please keep in mind that I am NOT running with only 92hp. That being said, the stock TH125 has a 3.18 final drive, so the 4T60's 3.73 (33/37 gears) should "feel" pretty good off the line with a Duke.

It's almost as low as the 4.10 "performance" 4-speed manual some Duke's had. Also the OD 4th gear is about equal to the 5th gear Duke's had with the Isuzu 5-speed manual. So it appears you have almost the "best of both" - the low 1st gear of the 4.10 4-speed, and the OD 5th of the 5-speed. With this gear ratio the 4T60 shifts into 4th at about 50mph.

I also have a set of 3.33 (35/35 gears) and 2.97 (37/33 gears). I DID have the 3.33 ratio (35/35) gearing initially, but wanted more punch off the line. You also never got into 4th gear until about 60mph, so I pulled the tranny and changed the gears for the 3.73 ratio (33/37 gears).

With the tranmission swap now done, I noticed that engine RPM at 60mph in 5th gear with the Getrag 5-speed is about the same as OD 4th with the 4T60 with 15" wheels/tires.

More on gearsets http://www.spacecoastfieros.com/tech/440-4T60/

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Did I ever tell you that your car was driven by Bob Paxton at Indy during the race month? The best I can find is tha the was involved with College Basketball and I think he passed away September 2008 Rick B

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I had noticed it was difficult to keep a high polish on the aluminum valve cover etc.
They also has a tendency for water spots anytime water splashed on them.




So I got my aluminum parts chrome plated. Please excuse the glare/reflections
Not cheap to do - but well worth it (and will look good forever).

Safastro made some vinyl letter cutouts for me to stick in the bottom of the letters.
http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum4/HTML/045657.html



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I had noticed it was difficult to keep a high polish on the aluminum valve cover etc.
They also has a tendency for water spots anytime water splashed on them.

So I got my aluminum parts chrome plated. Please excuse the glare/reflections
Not cheap to do - but well worth it (and will look good forever).

Safastro made some vinyl letter cutouts for me to stick in the bottom of the letters.
http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum4/HTML/045657.html




Holy crap! Stunning.

This car should be in a magazine, with a nice article.

Seriously, you have a gorgeous beast of an Indy.

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Holy crap! Stunning.



Thank you very much

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Please excuse the glare/reflections


No need to excuse, that looks fantastic!
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Sweet! I love the chrome job and painting of the PONTIAC red insert lettering.

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you have a gorgeous Indy great work! I like the red lettering for the PONTIAC insert also

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Disgustingly beautiful.

Watch for my "build" thread coming soon...

The poor starving writers know nothing ghetto "build" thread.
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Updates?!




Ummm... Car is finished. Car's been in hibernation because it's the middle of winter snows up here.

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Gotta say, getting the intake and valve cover chromed made all the difference in the world! that looks fantastic!
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Gotta say, getting the intake and valve cover chromed made all the difference in the world! that looks fantastic!



Thanks. I still have to find a nice chrome wing nut for the carb bonnet.
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Just a thought for the wingnut. Possibly have one made in the shape of the Pontiac Arrowhead Emblem .
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We're all still waiting for beautiful sounds in the video we were promised on the last page..



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And we all want dyno numbers!!!!! The 160 was way off. It should be making over 200whp I would think. if you want a good tuner, call this guy in Atlanta, Jeff @ Engineered Performance
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Where can I get one of those wonderful valve covers for my duke? Heck, where do I get a super duty period? I would love to keep my car a 4 cyl... this is the most perfect build thread.

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Where can I get one of those wonderful valve covers for my duke? Heck, where do I get a super duty period? I would love to keep my car a 4 cyl... this is the most perfect build thread.



Thanks The valve covers show up on eBay once in a while.

Look in the Mall? http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum4/HTML/052355.html
Summit Racing http://www.summitracing.com/parts/NAL-10031327
MonsterPartsOnline has them for $171.12 Search for part no. 10031327

Start saving for an engine http://www.kansasracingprod...roducts/Welcome.html
A ready to run 16-valve SD4 http://www.race-cars.com/en...331/1107211331ss.htm

OR find car with SD4 engine http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum4/HTML/052380.html

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Thanks for the info.. the car looked like the best option, just way out of my price range right now. If you ever get squirlly and want to sell that car, you should contact me.. you never know.
I have been giving serious consideration to a V8 conversion until I saw your thread, I am inspired. I would love to ride in that beast some time.
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Fierosound.. you have a PM!
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I just wanted to bump this thread and say that you have an amazing Indy!! I am restoring a Indy myself currently. And yours gives me motivation, but you also set the bar to damn high. LoL
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Truly amazing car and thread. Thanks for all the information and quality pics.
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Thanks guys. Have a new Tri-Y header coming from whodeanie soon.

Pics here: http://www.fiero.nl/forum/F.../HTML/075728-18.html

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Got a picture from PFF member AADrcw of the Indy plates he's collected.
Besides the original plate #163 for my Indy, he has #162 and #164 as well.

Some other pics AADrcw has: http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/080747.html

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This car is absolutely amazing! Congrats brother!
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Thanks Dude. Pretty sure it's close to being a 9.5 out of 10 now...


This Indy is that car that "just keeps on giving..." ... GRIEF!

Have to replace the A/C evaporator core - but new ones no longer exist - discontinued/obsolete.

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Congrats on the TFS Calendar this month, man! It looks GREAT in my office!
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