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The Silver Freak Project by Blacktree
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Report this Post04-29-2008 01:55 PM Click Here to See the Profile for BlacktreeClick Here to visit Blacktree's HomePageClick Here to Email BlacktreeSend a Private Message to BlacktreeEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post

My new seats arrived today. They're Corbeau Forza seats, upholstered in black micro-suede.



Oddly enough, the brackets (which are custom-made for the Fiero) don't quite fit. The bolt holes, where they bolt to the floor, are a little off. Plus, the brackets weigh a ton. I might end up making my own.

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Those will look really nice! have you measured the distance between the mounting holes on the bottom of the seats? (from side to side and not front to back)

if they are the same as the stock fiero you could just use fiero brackets... thats what I did with my Sparco seats. They were the same as the fiero seats exactly side to side. They were different distance front to back so I just had to drill two holes in the stock brackets and I was ready to go

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I ended up making custom brackets. Both the Fiero sliders and the Corbeau brackets were too high. Plus, they didn't lean the seat back far enough. I felt like I was hunched over in the seat.

Anyway, here are a couple shots of the seats installed.





My shifter boot hasn't arrived yet. Aside from that, the only thing left to do in the interior is the dash. I've decided to build a custom dash. That ought to be interesting. But that'll have to wait until I finish work on the front fascia.

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where are the harnesses mounted?

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They use the two seatbelt mounting bolts in the floor. The bolt in the B-pillar is not used. I had to enlarge the bolt holes in the harnesses a little, but aside from that it was a direct bolt-in.

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Is that street legal?

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Originally posted by Blacktree:

They use the two seatbelt mounting bolts in the floor. The bolt in the B-pillar is not used. I had to enlarge the bolt holes in the harnesses a little, but aside from that it was a direct bolt-in.


So the belts go from the floor, up the back of the seat then back down in front of you? Your going to hurt yourself if you ever get hit. That kind of belt will compact your spine in an accident. The belts should be attached at just above the shoulder, that way when you rotate forward the belt wont compact your back, it will keep you from moving forward.
I would install a bar and attach them to it.

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Originally posted by Jake_Dragon: So the belts go from the floor, up the back of the seat then back down in front of you? Your going to hurt yourself if you ever get hit. That kind of belt will compact your spine in an accident. The belts should be attached at just above the shoulder, that way when you rotate forward the belt wont compact your back, it will keep you from moving forward.
I would install a bar and attach them to it.

Yes, that's how the belts are routed. I didn't think it would be a problem, considering that the seatbelt holes in the seats are at shoulder level. When I lean forward against the shoulder belts, they are horizontal between my shoulders and the seat.

I don't know for sure if the harnesses are street legal. They do have OEM style push-button latches on the lap belt. I was under the impression that this type of seatbelt latch is DOT approved.

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If you hit something you and your seat will fly forward, I was watching TV and they were talking about it. When you roll forward the distance between the bottom of the seat and the farthest point in the seat belt gets smaller. I think it was trucks on Spike TV.
They do look nice, is it a hassle to put them on each time?

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Anymore updates? I like this thread

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I keep bringing this thread back up :P

Have any progress pictures of your front fascia? I'm particularily interested in the shapes of the "splitter addition" you told me about in my thread about a front splitter

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great work... it looks amazing

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OMFG! An update!!!

I did some work on the nose. First of all, I widened the lip on the bottom. The lip will serve as a mounting point for a pair of air splitters. In the photo below, you can see the new lip.



In the next photo, I have the nose sitting on the template for the air splitters. This gives you an idea what the air splitters will look like.



I decided to use two splitters, instead of one big "spatula", for several reasons... mainly cost, weight, and ease of construction. I can cut the two pieces from a single 24x48" sheet of plastic, bolt them to the nose, and be done. Since they'll be simple to make, they'll also be easy to replace. This is good, because these splitters will probably get scuffed up a lot.

Next on the agenda is rounding off the top sides of the nose. Where the top of the nose meets the sides, there's an unsightly ledge that juts out about an inch or so. I decided to solve this problem with a little bit of cut-n-paste work. The idea is to chop out that ledge, and bend the remaining fiberglass inwards, so the sides are flush with the top. This will provide a smooth transition from top to sides, instead of that protruding ledge. In the photo below, you can see that I started chopping out that ledge. Also notice that I cut a vertical slice down the side of the nose.



That vertical slice allows me to bend the fiberglass. In the photo below, I'm bending the fiberglass inwards, so it matches up with the top section of the nose.



After molding that piece in place, I started working on the rest of the problem area. In the next photo, you can see that I cut several more vertical slices. This was necessary, in order to bend the fiberglass.



I'll post more updates as they become available.

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Sweet, looking good.

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Haven't seen this thread before...

Looking good. Definatly some great ideas you have going on, but definatly address the harness situation ASAP. As already mentioned, having the shoulder belts mounted to the floor like that will compress your spine in an accident. Either install a harness bar or mount them through the firewall in a way that they can't pull through.

Keep up the good work!

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Man, just saw this thread. Awesome stuff! 4 pages of reading goodness.

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Report this Post07-26-2008 10:44 AM Click Here to See the Profile for BlacktreeClick Here to visit Blacktree's HomePageClick Here to Email BlacktreeSend a Private Message to BlacktreeEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post

Yesterday, I completed the cut-n-paste operation on the nose. I think it looks 5 times better now. See photos below.





It's still pretty rough, though. It'll take a little while to get everything smoothed out. But after that, the nose should be good to go.

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I test-fitted the nose on my car yesterday, and unfortunately it is NOT good to go. I'm going to have to modify the stupid thing just to make it fit the car. For example, the V-angle on the top edge of the nose doesn't match the V-angle at the front edge of the hood. In the photo below, the center of the nose is touching the hood. But at the outer edges, there's a gap almost 1/2" wide, on both sides.



The nose is also about an inch too wide. So I'll have to squeeze it a little bit to make it fit. Plus, the grille opening exposes some of the front impact beam. I decided to close off part of the grille opening to cover it up.

Just when I thought I was almost done. DAMN YOU, PISA!

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Hey what rims are you running.... i like them

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Any chance you could post pics of those door panels? I'm looking to make some for myself.

Edit: The shoulder belts through the seats should be fine. These seats don't tilt. They look to be a solid piece. The seat back positions the belt in relation to the driver. The danger comes in where the belt has the ability to pull down on the shoulders of the occupant. As long as the seat back can handle the pressure of the occupant during the crash and the shoulders of the passenger are lower than the holes in the seat, the passenger should be fine. These are questions that I can't answer from a photograph. If you're unsure, then move the shoulder harnesses to the firewall.

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Report this Post07-27-2008 08:15 PM Click Here to See the Profile for BlacktreeClick Here to visit Blacktree's HomePageClick Here to Email BlacktreeSend a Private Message to BlacktreeEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post

2feido: The wheels are Nippon F-2 17x7", +40mm offset. They only weigh 17 lb each. I bought them on eBay a year and a half ago. Since then, I haven't seen the 17x7" size available any more.

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Beautiful!!!!! Mind if I use your design?

I really like where you put the mirror adjuster!

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Report this Post07-27-2008 08:23 PM Click Here to See the Profile for BlacktreeClick Here to visit Blacktree's HomePageClick Here to Email BlacktreeSend a Private Message to BlacktreeEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Go for it.

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Icelander said: The shoulder belts through the seats should be fine. These seats don't tilt. They look to be a solid piece. The seat back positions the belt in relation to the driver. The danger comes in where the belt has the ability to pull down on the shoulders of the occupant. As long as the seat back can handle the pressure of the occupant during the crash and the shoulders of the passenger are lower than the holes in the seat, the passenger should be fine. These are questions that I can't answer from a photograph. If you're unsure, then move the shoulder harnesses to the firewall.

You are correct on all counts. These are real racing seats, not the cheap imitations you see on eBay. These seats do not tilt. They also have a tubular steel frame. So the chance of them buckling in a collision is pretty slim. The metal frame also surrounds and supports the seat belt holes. So in a collision, the belts will not be able to tear through the seat.

I also mentioned this before, but will repeat it: when I sit in the seat and don the harness, the shoulder belt holes in the seats are at my shoulder level. When I lean forward, the belts are horizontal between my shoulders and the seat. Spinal compression requires a downward force on the body. A belt stretching straight back cannot pull down.

I'd really like to put this seat belt debate to rest, and continue with the build thread. If anyone has anything further to say on the subject, send me a PM.

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I made some progress on the nose. The grille opening has been modified. I basically just molded a partial wall in the back. This will interface with the radiator ducting (which hasn't been built yet, because I'm waiting for the materials to arrive).



I've also started the "big squeeze" operation. I used some scrap wood, a couple brackets, and a long bolt to make a big claw. I used it to squeeze the sides of the nose closer together. Then I molded in some fiberglass to help the nose hold its new shape. The aluminum pieces in the top corners are holding the new fiberglass in place until it hardens.



After the fiberglass hardens, I can start tweaking the top edge to fit my hood. After that's done, the nose goes back on the car so I can build the bracketry to hold it in place.

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Seatbelt discussion closed:

You truly are a master with the fiberglass. One of these days I'm going to break out the glass mat and resin and build something.

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Are you planning to taper the grill opening out to the leading edge or will you be using the flange to mount some sort of mesh?

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The grille opening won't be tapered. I didn't plan on installing mesh, either. However, that back wall will give me a convenient place to attach the radiator ducting. And speaking of radiator ducting, the materials for that arrived today. The radiator duct should be finished tomorrow. The material for the splitters also arrived. So I'll probably have the splitters done tomorrow, too.

I also test-fitted the new nose on the car again. Everything looks good, except for that uneven gap between the nose and the hood. But I should have that fixed soon. Here are a couple photos of the test-fitting today. This is also your first look at my LED turn signals. They work similar to the rear turn signals, dim for running lights and bright for turn signal.





Unfortunately, somebody ran over my digital camera and crushed it. Until I can get a replacement, we'll have to suffer with low-quality shots from my camcorder.

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Looks like its taking shape. I don't know if you saw the pictures of my splitter in the other thread but I can;t wait to see what yours turn out like.

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Alright, here come the crappy camcorder photos. First of all, here's a shot of the radiator ducting.



It's made from 1/16" thick neoprene rubber and aluminum angle stock. The flanges on the front edge will bolt to the back of the nose. So the air coming in the grille will be channeled directly into the radiator.

I also cut out and installed the air splitters. Below is a shot of the nose, with splitters installed, being test-fitted on the car.



My new digital camera should arrive on Monday. I should have the nose smoothed out (and maybe even a coat of primer) by then. So I should have some nice photos in a few days. Keep your fingers crossed.

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I wish I were smart.

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What material are the splitters made of? I cant remember if you told me before

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Actually, I forgot to mention it. Thanks for the reminder. The splitters are made from 1/8" PVC. One 24x48" sheet ( about $27 at McMaster-Carr Industrial Supply ) was enough to make 3 splitters, which leaves me with a spare in case one is damaged. The PVC is gray, but can be painted with vinyl dye. Even though the plastic is only 1/8" thick, it's pretty stiff. It should be strong enough. After I install the nose, I plan to find out.

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My new digital camera arrived today.

I decided that I would get the nose installed first and worry about making it look pretty later. Below, you see the bottom of the nose, with the splitters and support braces installed. The braces attach to the support structure underneath the radiator, where the stock air dam used to attach.



The support braces are made from 1/2" aluminum tubing. I crushed the ends, to make it easier to drill bolt holes. And since the tubing is already crushed, I don't have to worry about it crushing when I tighten the mounting bolts. Below is a close-up shot.



I also had to install speed-nuts in the sides of the nose (to attach the wheel well liners), and drill new holes in the wheel well liners. I also had to splice in the wiring connectors for the LED turn signals. And I re-used the stock upper fascia support. The seam between the nose and the hood still needs to be tweaked a little. But at least it's installed! See photos below.



Please pardon my sanding dust.



Tomorrow, I get to play with putty.

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Playing with putty:



I use Elmer's brand "fiberglass repair putty". It's epoxy based, so it doesn't stink like Bondo putty. It also has a longer working time (about 20-30 minutes depending on temperature). It spreads smooth. And it doesn't gum up your sandpaper as much as Bondo.

Also, since the new nose has no provisions for side marker lights or side molding, I decided to delete the molding from the fenders, as well. In the photo below, I'm filling the molding channels with fiberglass.



If all goes well, I should be able to sand and primer the nose tomorrow. Keep your fingers crossed.

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It's looking really good! What are you going to do about the sideskirts? Anything?

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Report this Post08-06-2008 08:25 PM Click Here to See the Profile for BlacktreeClick Here to visit Blacktree's HomePageClick Here to Email BlacktreeSend a Private Message to BlacktreeEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post

I hadn't planned to do anything to the side skirts (aside from repainting them). The bottom of the nose is about the same height from the ground as the side skirts. So the lines flow nicely.

BTW, I finished sanding and priming the nose today. See photo below.



I also sanded and primed the fender pieces. Here's something for the fiberglass geeks: I tried a new procedure with the fender pieces. I wanted to "fast track" the fender project, so I could sand and paint them today. So instead of waiting for the fiberglass to completely harden before applying the putty, I did it while the resin was still tacky. Since the putty and the resin are both epoxy based, I was hoping they would bond. And they did. That saved me a lot of time.

I also decided to tweak my hood vent a bit. Since the grille opening in my new nose is bigger than the stock nose, I thought it would be a good idea to enlarge the hood vent. After all, what goes in must come out. Below are before and after shots.



The curve at the back edge of the vent follows the curve of the spare tire compartment. I did that to maximize airflow.



The new nose will be re-installed tomorrow.

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Report this Post08-07-2008 04:28 PM Click Here to See the Profile for BlacktreeClick Here to visit Blacktree's HomePageClick Here to Email BlacktreeSend a Private Message to BlacktreeEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post

Alright, here's the "money shot".

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Very nice, are you eliminating all of the side molding around the car?

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I probably will, eventually. But for the short term, I'm going to terminate the side molding somewhere along the door panels. I kept the bullet-shaped molding pieces from the stock nose for that purpose.


Edit to add:

Since I'm going on vacation in a couple days, I had to rush the nose project. After I return, there are a few more minor things that will need to be done in order for the nose project to be officially finished. They are:

1) What I just mentioned regarding the side molding on the doors.
2) Install driving lights next to the turn signals.
3) Install European style side marker lights in the fenders.

After all that is done, I can move on to the next project... a custom-built intake manifold.

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