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Topic: My 3800SC Series II swap
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Golden86
Member Posts: 1178
From: Elmhurst IL
Registered: Jan 2004
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Well, this is the first of many posts on my engine swap. The first few posts will be alittle slow because I am still collecting parts. In a month or so, it should pick up pretty well.Here are just a few picks of the engine and my car that it's goin into. This engine is out of a 99 Regal, I bought it for $50. The reason is that the guy thinks it spun a rod bearing. A new crank, rod, and bearings, it should be good to go.
This is the patient, my 86 GT
 I will also be installing an Archie Big Brake kit over the winter as well, it should show up in this thread. ------------------
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theratdude64
Member Posts: 236
From: Ogden, UT USA
Registered: Sep 2005
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That's goanna be way sweet. Nice Fiero Dude. Awesome score on the engine too  ------------------
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NorthFloridaFiero
Member Posts: 918
From: Tallahassee Florida USA
Registered: Aug 2004
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Sweet, Im pre planning my L67 swap too.
And man, I love that color on your car.IP: Logged |
pavo_roddy
Member Posts: 3313
From: New Richmond, WI
Registered: Apr 2004
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Hi all,Lookin forward to another build thread, esp. those big brakes, as that is one my next big projects...... IP: Logged |
Dave Gunsul
Member Posts: 3543
From: Minnesot-AH
Registered: Apr 2001
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| | | quote | | Originally posted by Golden86:
This is the patiant, my 86 GT
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Hey Mike, what's a patiant? Is that like a patient or? I didn't go to York so i don't know. 
When you're done i'll take a cherry smoothy please.
Sorry man but I have to make up for all the time ive been away and not able to make fun of you in person. 
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FieroMaster88
Member Posts: 5385
From: Portage, MI
Registered: Nov 2000
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Ha, and I've got your clutch! Man, I'm doing big brakes on the 88 this winter too. ------------------
88 Coupe: Modded 4.9L V8 5 speed
86 GT: Stock 4 speed
86 SE: 3.4 DOHC 4 speed
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Golden86
Member Posts: 1178
From: Elmhurst IL
Registered: Jan 2004
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I just ordered a GTP dogbone bracket/pulley to replace the one I have. I also ordered an AC compressor bracket. And I should have my PR low mount alternator/dogbone bracket come in soon aswell. It's slowly comming together.ALL I NEED NOW IS MY MOUNTS.... SEAN ! IP: Logged |
Jncomutt
Member Posts: 7794
From: Ballertown, CT / Charlotte, NC
Registered: Apr 2001
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LOL... If you're buying the parts for it from fiero vendors, be prepared to wait. Speaking from first hand experience, IP: Logged |
Golden86
Member Posts: 1178
From: Elmhurst IL
Registered: Jan 2004
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| | | quote | | Originally posted by Jncomutt: LOL... If you're buying the parts for it from fiero vendors, be prepared to wait. Speaking from first hand experience, |
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I bought the gtp bracket, and AC bracket from a guy on the GTP forum. I know I will be waiting for them for a long time, thats why I asked sean for them 5 months ago, I should be getting them soon. IP: Logged |
Jncomutt
Member Posts: 7794
From: Ballertown, CT / Charlotte, NC
Registered: Apr 2001
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Smart man,  IP: Logged |
FieroGT42
Member Posts: 2301
From: Iowa
Registered: Jan 2005
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Interesting paint color. What is it?IP: Logged |
Golden86
Member Posts: 1178
From: Elmhurst IL
Registered: Jan 2004
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| | | quote | | Originally posted by FieroGT42: Interesting paint color. What is it? |
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It's a one off custom mix. IP: Logged |
Golden86
Member Posts: 1178
From: Elmhurst IL
Registered: Jan 2004
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Well... this night has been a little interesting. I started to take apart the 3800 for cleaning, and painting.This is what I saw when I pulled the supercharger off, kinda weird huh. There was a bunch of metal in the intake, where could it have come from...
So I check the supercharger, the walls are scratched, but no big chuncks of metal. It cant be from the supercharger?
The blades are missing almost all of their cermic coating
So now I pulled off the valve covers, and this is what I see, a broken valve spring.
So broken valve springs usually mean bent pushrods, and here they are
 Now for the crown jewel, the cherry on top... This is SUPPOSED to have a blown rod. The rod is not the problem in this next picture.
Now I know where that metal came from in the intake
I have NEVER seen a piston like that EXPLODE into nothingness. There is no p[iston to be found. I bought this engine forom one of my dads mechanic friends, and he is going to give my money back, so thats not a problem. Buy HOLY CRAP, the guy DROVE his car into his shop to have this engine replaced... HE DROVE IT! Thats how my night has been going. I am back to square one now, I need to find a new engine. [This message has been edited by Golden86 (edited 11-14-2005).] IP: Logged |
FieroMaster88
Member Posts: 5385
From: Portage, MI
Registered: Nov 2000
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That sucks man! It shouldnt be too hard to find a new engine. I know 3800's had some issues with burning through pistions but I'll bet thats not your problem. I'll bet the valve stuck open and when the piston hit it it exploded, broke the valve spring and bent the pushrod! What a mess. [This message has been edited by FieroMaster88 (edited 11-06-2005).] IP: Logged |
Golden86
Member Posts: 1178
From: Elmhurst IL
Registered: Jan 2004
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I know it won't be that hard to find an engine, they are EVERYWHERE.Does anybody know if the supercharger is still ok, even with those scratches? IP: Logged |
FieroMaster88
Member Posts: 5385
From: Portage, MI
Registered: Nov 2000
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| | | quote | | Originally posted by Golden86: I know it won't be that hard to find an engine, they are EVERYWHERE. Does anybody know if the supercharger is still ok, even with those scratches? |
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I would say probably not, but I'm not 100% sure on that. IP: Logged |
NorthFloridaFiero
Member Posts: 918
From: Tallahassee Florida USA
Registered: Aug 2004
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I think that blower is fine. How deep are those scratches? Can you hook a finger nail in em?
Mine went from this http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/202/p1010080copy3yh.jpg
to this http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/7701/p1010081copy6ll.jpg
Although in this pic you can see all my rotors still have the coating on them http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/9646/p1010078copy9gl.jpg
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Golden86
Member Posts: 1178
From: Elmhurst IL
Registered: Jan 2004
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Yeah, I can catch my nail on them, so I guess it's not ok. I didn't really know what those dark splotches on the rotors where, I guess it supposed to cover the entire thing. Is that the teflon coating? It's really not that big of a deal that this engine didn't work out, I can find another one. The one junk yard by me has 19 3800sc series II engines, one of them HAS to be decent. IP: Logged |
fieromadman
Member Posts: 2149
From: Oconomowoc WI, USA
Registered: Jan 2003
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| | | quote | | Originally posted by Golden86: So now I pulled off the valve covers, and this is waht I see, a broken valve spring.
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Hmm.... looks like you're missing some valves. IP: Logged |
86fieroEarl
Member Posts: 2187
From: Orlando, FL
Registered: Jun 2002
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 Holy cow. And you said this guy drove this thing Anyway I don't know if you could get it bored over or not but that is bad  I would check to see if the supercharger is atleast good, I know the TB is. If the car drove grab the ignition coils and modual A good supercharger, Throttle body and ignition modual and coils cost a bit of money. Certainly more then $50bucks.[This message has been edited by 86fieroEarl (edited 11-07-2005).] IP: Logged |
Golden86
Member Posts: 1178
From: Elmhurst IL
Registered: Jan 2004
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| | | quote | | Originally posted by fieromadman:
Hmm.... looks like you're missing some valves.
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No, atually the valve is stil in there, just hanging from the valve seal. IP: Logged |
theratdude64
Member Posts: 236
From: Ogden, UT USA
Registered: Sep 2005
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Geeze that sucks On my old 2.8 it blew a rod and the piston shattered like that. I only found like half of it lol, the biggest piece left of it was like an inch square. It totally shattered Blew a hole in the side of the block too haha------------------
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NorthFloridaFiero
Member Posts: 918
From: Tallahassee Florida USA
Registered: Aug 2004
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holy cow dude. let me know about these motors you find for 50 bucks. I could use a couple to build up one.
And ya, thats the teflon coating.IP: Logged |
Golden86
Member Posts: 1178
From: Elmhurst IL
Registered: Jan 2004
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This is the only update I have for now, I just recievd my ECM out of a 95 Bonneville ssei. I also recieved my low mount alternator bracket, and Adjustable dogbone. And last but not least I have my GTP pullie bracket with a pullie, but I still need the tensienor. The other braqcket is the AC mount.
Now all I need is an engine to put all this stuff on IP: Logged |
Golden86
Member Posts: 1178
From: Elmhurst IL
Registered: Jan 2004
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I just sent out the money order for another 99 Regal engine with 51000 miles on it. I also purchased a Wiring harness and a tensioner for my GTP bracket. It should all be here some time next week. Hopefully this one has ALL of the pistons. I'm still waiting on the mounts though. Sean, you out there? [This message has been edited by Golden86 (edited 11-16-2005).] IP: Logged |
FIEROFLYER
Member Posts: 2165
From: Peterborough Ontario Canada
Registered: Oct 2002
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That must be more common than I thought as I have a 97 Riviera 3800SC in my garage that exploded a piston like that. It is also not rebuildable so I am using it for building harnesses and mounts on.------------------
Signature compliments of F-I-E-R-O
2003 3800SC series II powered
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3.8 SC
Member Posts: 577
From: On the Great Lakes-Ohio
Registered: Dec 2003
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Sorry to hear about the engine. Man, that sucks!
While you are waiting for a new engine, you can check out Rborecky's thread.http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/049118.html Also, check with Loyde, at Fast Fieros. http://fastfieros.com/index.htm A wealth of information there for you. And they are more than happy to help you in any way they can.
Don Z.
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http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/052322.html#lastpost
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Golden86
Member Posts: 1178
From: Elmhurst IL
Registered: Jan 2004
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Rborecky mentioned a guy named Ed in his build thread, that is the guy I just bought my new engine and parts from. He is a great guy to deal with, I hope everything goes smoothly.Thanks for the info, I think I know for the most part what to expect. I have studied that thread very well in the past. [This message has been edited by Golden86 (edited 11-16-2005).] IP: Logged |
Golden86
Member Posts: 1178
From: Elmhurst IL
Registered: Jan 2004
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Question...Who knows what fuel pump I need? I know I need one from a Turbo TA, but what is the part number? Thanks. IP: Logged |
GT
Member Posts: 911
From: Silver Spring, MD USA
Registered: May 2003
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I used a fuel pump from an '87 Corvette on mine.IP: Logged |
Golden86
Member Posts: 1178
From: Elmhurst IL
Registered: Jan 2004
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Engine #2 is here!It is out of a 99 Regal with 51,000 miles on it, and very clean.
Oh, look, all the pistons are there too!
Here is the fun part, I also got the harness in today.
 I now have it totaly disassembled, and its waiting for its zzp xp cam, Pector ported heads(105# springs and oversized valves), and zzp full size intercooler. not to mention other small stuff like roller timing set, comp OE-R lifters, and intense lightweight pushrods. [This message has been edited by Golden86 (edited 12-01-2005).] IP: Logged |
Golden86
Member Posts: 1178
From: Elmhurst IL
Registered: Jan 2004
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I just got in a few parts
The first are Ported and polished exhaust manifolds
Next are the Comp Cams OE-R lifters
Intense lightweight pushrods
And last, a single roller timing set to handle those 105# springs
 Hopefully if I can get a few days off of work, I will go and visit a few friends up in Michigan and also pick up my Spec Stage 3 cutch. IP: Logged |
VISCERAL
Member Posts: 628
From: Chicago, IL
Registered: Apr 99
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Hey there, I live in des plaines and also have a 3800SC II Getrag fiero. Let me know if you have any questions. More importantly......DONT get the Spec Stage 3 clutch. I have it and with the power I make, about the same as yours less the intercooler, mine slips in fourth at full throttle. I started with a new flywheel, new clutch, bled properly, new bushings and shifter arm inside my getrag, installed surgically cleaned no residue on the flywheel. Slips in forth after proper breakin. I love the way the clutch feels, but I would talk to Loyde at www.fastfieros.com. Both of us would recommend gotting the cindered iron clutch he typically installs on his buildups. In spring i'm ripping mine out to replace it. Joy. Call Loyde seriously. 972-880-6643 I thought Spec was the faschizzle but................Oh yeah forgot to give you my phone number cell 847-627-0037 Patrick.------------------
Patrick Szewczyk
1987 Fiero GT 3800SCII, Getrag, Loyde of Fastfiero's pcm-low alt mount-tstat-prj fuel rails wiring harness, w/ 3.25 pulley, LS1 TB, total-seal rings, VS cam, P-M-P heads & intake, Performance3800 3" headers, stainless 3" exhaust+flowmaster, intercooler & water injection -soon, Spec Stage 3 clutch, Koni's, Rear coilovers, Held anti-bumpsteer kit, lowered 1.5" -CNC Street Dreams dropped spindles, poly bushings = everything, Bill Levin's lowering drivetrain mounts, rear sway bar, pioneer cd player, Dickman's short shifter, bushings, etc..., 12" Vette rotors & calipers- w/Ebrake, 17" MiM Venezias wheels + 225/45/17 & 235/40/17's. [This message has been edited by VISCERAL (edited 12-03-2005).] IP: Logged |
Golden86
Member Posts: 1178
From: Elmhurst IL
Registered: Jan 2004
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Thanks for the heads up and all, but I already ordered it. I also have a buddy with a 3.4 TDC with a stage 2, and he BEATS THE LIVING CRAP OUT IT! He has not slipped his clutch once. I have faith in the stage 3. The only problem I heard about spec was that there TB was a little iffy, so I will use a GM one.I have also been talking to Darth, and he has all the info I need. I have also been to his shop, and he is going to burn my chip. IP: Logged |
Golden86
Member Posts: 1178
From: Elmhurst IL
Registered: Jan 2004
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My heads and cam came in. The heads are ported and polished by a guy on the ClubGP forum. They have 105# springs, modded titainium retainers, and titanium locks, and Viton seals. They also have oversize valves in them aswell, they're HUGE! They where used for about a 1000 miles, so I got a great deal on them
 I also have my cam. It is a custom comp cams grind (sorry they don't line up)
Specs for cam: intake Exhaust
Duration: 230 240 @.05
Lift: .531 .532 w/1.6 Rockers
Lobe Seperation: 114
 Now all I have to buy is the IC, and the mounts.
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86fieroEarl
Member Posts: 2187
From: Orlando, FL
Registered: Jun 2002
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| | | quote | | Originally posted by Golden86: My heads and cam came in. The heads are ported and polished by a guy on the ClubGP forum. They have 105# springs, modded titainium retainers, and titanium locks, and Viton seals. They also have oversize valves in them aswell, they're HUGE! They where used for about a 1000 miles, so I got a great deal on them
I also have my cam. It is a custom comp cams grind (sorry they don't line up)
Specs for cam: intake Exhaust
Duration: 230 240 @.05
Lift: .531 .532 w/1.6 Rockers
Lobe Seperation: 114
Now all I have to buy is the IC, and the mounts. |
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If you get a chance can you snap a pic of the installed retainers, Im curious to what these will look like installed. IP: Logged |
MstangsBware
Member Posts: 6731
From: TEXAS
Registered: Mar 2002
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I wanted to add heads to my set up but didnt have the extra money to spend on them at the time. Will be saving over the next year to get a set of ZZP Stage 3 heads to add to my current motor that is going in this week. IP: Logged |
Golden86
Member Posts: 1178
From: Elmhurst IL
Registered: Jan 2004
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| | | quote | | If you get a chance can you snap a pic of the installed retainers, Im curious to what these will look like installed. |
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Here are a few pics of the springs and such
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Golden86
Member Posts: 1178
From: Elmhurst IL
Registered: Jan 2004
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This next post, wont be exactly 3800 related, but has to do with my Fiero. I found some lugage that matched my paint almost EXACTLY! It even has a color changing fabric, the same shades as my car. Stupid thing to post, but I think it's pretty cool.
 I also recieved my new rims, they are 18x7.5 and weigh just under 18lbs, thats light for an 18" rim.
 I have these on there now, and they will be for sale soon, only 4 months on them.
 And these are the rims I used to have (old pic, when my car was still gold)
WOW, I have been through a crap load of wheels. I obviously like a certain style of rim, most people would say, why bother buying different wheels, they all look the same. [This message has been edited by Golden86 (edited 12-13-2005).] IP: Logged |
86fieroEarl
Member Posts: 2187
From: Orlando, FL
Registered: Jun 2002
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| | | quote | | Originally posted by Golden86:
Here are a few pics of the springs and such
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Thanks for the pics + to you, Im ordering a xp- hot cam and it recommends I install the 105# springs and these retainers, Looking at the pic I won't have to remove the heads to install. [This message has been edited by 86fieroEarl (edited 12-14-2005).] IP: Logged |
