Thank-you for your input, but I'll continue to express myself in this forum as I see fit. If I break any PFF rules of conduct, please let me know.
I do not see any PFF rules being broken in any way. On the other hand, I think that little red bar under your screen name is a good indicator of what others think about how you are "expressing yourself".
I do not see any PFF rules being broken in any way. On the other hand, I think that little red bar under your screen name is a good indicator of what others think about how you are "expressing yourself".
John, perhaps you're just joking with me... but why do you bring attention to the red of my bar when there's more green?
Not that I care a whole lot about my ratings bar, but over the 17 years I've been a member here, I've earned more positive ratings than negative ones. I'm satisfied with that.
If I've expressed myself in an improper manner (in this thread or anywhere else), I'd like to hear about it from whomever. Send me a PM... or post it for all to see.
Don't make blanket statements like that, a lot of us did believe in Slammed, not all of us were nay sayers, like you.
Please Slammed, work with the new buyer and inform him what all is needed to make this happen as we all need tail lights. At this point nothing lost, nothing gained, except for Slammed. BTW how far along did you get on the molds? Did they get smoothed out? Are they ready with the right equipment?
The large majority of time was spent on design failures , trial and error. If I were to do this again, it would take me a very short time. Part of the agreement was that I wouldn't do that. If it comes to be like a year has passed and nothing has happened, I'll try and negotiate a deal with the owner to do it myself. I still have the positives of ALL the castings. They were made at my home forge and machined on my equipment and aren't needed to make the lenses. Only to build the tooling
The money I received will go a very long way towards windows and a couple other things I won't mention until they are ready. Which will be very, very soon
I just had a chat with the gentleman that purchased the molds
I think many of us would like to know who this person is. Will he be joining the forum?
------------------ Rodney Dickman
Fiero Parts And Acc's Web Page: All new web page!:www.rodneydickman.com Rodney Dickman's Fiero accessories 7604 Treeview Drive Caledonia, WI 53108 Phone/Fax (262) 835-9575
How is it in my best interest to give out a name or any information about someone I don't know? I provided some tech support. He isn't my customer. It isn't my problem anymore. My hands are clean of this
I don't mean to sound rude but I almost lost my job over this. I don't want to step on any more toes. I didn't ask if he knows about the forum or any small talk whatsoever.
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Can we contact this company you work for and ask if they can contact this gentleman and ask him if he would be willing to supply his contact information?
------------------ Rodney Dickman
Fiero Parts And Acc's Web Page: All new web page!:www.rodneydickman.com Rodney Dickman's Fiero accessories 7604 Treeview Drive Caledonia, WI 53108 Phone/Fax (262) 835-9575
So you all can berate him like you have me? No chance.
No one would berate anyone on this forum unless they have good reason to. If he were to join this forum he would be (over time) judged by his ethics, mannerisms, honesty etc. If he is truly trying his best to make these and is totally open and honest about this project he would gain much respect from the forum members in my opinion. If he is a shady person who makes promises and does not keep them, keeps everything secret and keep people wondering/guessing for long periods of time etc he could eventually be shown disrespect.
------------------ Rodney Dickman
Fiero Parts And Acc's Web Page: All new web page!:www.rodneydickman.com Rodney Dickman's Fiero accessories 7604 Treeview Drive Caledonia, WI 53108 Phone/Fax (262) 835-9575
I know Slammed you are pissed off and it is understandable due to you putting in the time and only to have them sold from underneath you and having some bash you in the forum but if you could just make the guy aware of this forum and tell him there are those who would like to buy some i know i wont need any as i am putting a notchback together but there are those who do need them
No one would berate anyone on this forum unless they have good reason to. If he were to join this forum he would be (over time) judged by his ethics, mannerisms, honesty etc. If he is truly trying his best to make these and is totally open and honest about this project he would gain much respect from the forum members in my opinion. If he is a shady person who makes promises and does not keep them, keeps everything secret and keep people wondering/guessing for long periods of time etc he could eventually be shown disrespect.
I don't see how Slammed was respected when she started this project. If someone came in here and casually said that they had bought the molds and no more, you think it would be a cheery post after a month or two?
She would be foolish to give up details about her employer or the buyer. Real jobs are more important that Fiero parts.
It seems to me the issue was manufacturer straight to a market. This forum is great, but I wouldn't consider it to be the ONLY source for Fiero owners. Was anyone else outsourced for purchase or sales?
Everything is going to come down to money, & in this situation the market space for Fiero owners is few. If you are only sourcing one spectrum of that market space, it's even smaller.
Acrylic is UV stable, but very brittle. I cracked quite a few just pulling them from the molds. They are wavy just like the originals lol the 3D scans were not modified in any way.
They look much worse in the picture than they look in person. I hate that I'm even talking about this. Extremely depressing
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I can commiserate. I try to accomplish something every day. I've had accomplishments that from conception to production took 2 years, that were subsequently trashed for political reasons. Then I have to keep on without losing stride, and plan another major project while feeling like my chest was ripped out. 2 years of my hard work just thrown away.
Something about this still just doesn't add up to me. If these lenses were ready to sell as you say, and it all came down to money it just doesn't make sense. I can't imagine these lenses cost too much to produce. The cost would be the tooling and the associated R&D and machining required to produce the tooling. From what you say, that money was already spent and wasn't going to come back by pulling the plug on the project. Did they think you were demanding too much of a cut or something?
I'm hoping whomever bought a seemingly turn-key lens production setup is able to make and sell these soon.
Something about this still just doesn't add up to me. If these lenses were ready to sell as you say, and it all came down to money it just doesn't make sense. I can't imagine these lenses cost too much to produce. The cost would be the tooling and the associated R&D and machining required to produce the tooling. From what you say, that money was already spent and wasn't going to come back by pulling the plug on the project. Did they think you were demanding too much of a cut or something?
I'm hoping whomever bought a seemingly turn-key lens production setup is able to make and sell these soon.
The first thing I posted about this was that I was promised 50% of every lense sold. This was MY project. I spent hours upon hours of time at home, in my shop working on these. When I was finished, they tried to change our arrangement. Instead of giving in, they essentially said phuck you, buy them or we are selling them. The price was too high for me. They were sold, my hours at home were covered + 20%
Acrylic pulls. I have a few of these. Acrylic was used for trials as it is much cheaper
I seem to see a spot of what looks like a bondo repair in one of these. Are you sure these are the lenses taken from the molds or are these a pair of GM original lenses that were used to make the molds? Can you show us some pictures of the backs and sides? Backs and sides of the reproduction lenses taken from these molds. Not of the GM OEM lenses.
------------------ Rodney Dickman
Fiero Parts And Acc's Web Page: All new web page!:www.rodneydickman.com Rodney Dickman's Fiero accessories 7604 Treeview Drive Caledonia, WI 53108 Phone/Fax (262) 835-9575
That's clay that is molded around the exit for the vacuum. Get lost Rodney, you've said enough bs to me
So yeh or ney on posting some pictures of the sides and backs of the reproduction lenses taken from these molds? Not asking much here.
------------------ Rodney Dickman
Fiero Parts And Acc's Web Page: All new web page!:www.rodneydickman.com Rodney Dickman's Fiero accessories 7604 Treeview Drive Caledonia, WI 53108 Phone/Fax (262) 835-9575
Fiero Parts And Acc's Web Page: All new web page!:www.rodneydickman.com Rodney Dickman's Fiero accessories 7604 Treeview Drive Caledonia, WI 53108 Phone/Fax (262) 835-9575
If you think I'm going to post anything you ask for, you've lost your goddamn mind
Nothing else to add..................... Slammed the last pics of the lenses that you posted are deffinately NOT from your molds ... I will not mention here why but this ..... with adobe photoshop you can see why I say this....we are NOT gulllible ... it was nice try though ..... we should get Infinitewill (Adobe Teacher) here I have the source pics and will back what I am saying ..... this thread is headin for the Big T can !!!!! OH forgot to add that is related to this whole SAGA ...... Area 51 will soon be open for visitors ... NO pictures or videos allowed
Nothing else to add..................... Slammed the last pics of the lenses that you posted are deffinately NOT from your molds ... I will not mention here why but this ..... with adobe photoshop you can see why I say this....we are NOT gulllible ... it was nice try though ..... we should get Infinitewill (Adobe Teacher) here I have the source pics and will back what I am saying ..... this thread is headin for the Big T can !!!!! OH forgot to add that is related to this whole SAGA ...... Area 51 will soon be open for visitors ... NO pictures or videos allowed
And why (aside from your desire to claim you have been right the whole time) do you say these lenses are not from her molds? Have you seen this picture in the past represented as something else? I see several clues that indicate that these are most likely NOT OE lenses.
1. As Slammed pointed out, they appear to lack the six points around the perimeter where the mounting tabs from the housing would hold them on
2. Tough to tell in the picture, but the black part looks much thinner than the 1/8" or so piece of plastic that is used in the OE lenses. While it is impossible to be sure with just these pictures, it would be consistent with the use of a vinyl inlay as opposed to the factory method.
3. There are no DOT markings. Furthermore, where the DOT markings would be, the background that is visible through the lens is consistent with no smearing that is common with photoshop jobs replacing something that isn't there (as in taking a picture of OE lenses and photoshopping out the DOT markings).
The ball is in your court. I have given three concrete observations against your zero. I know I haven't been around here particularly long, but I've done a LOT of research on these taillights and I have never seen them photographed from this angle quite like this. Maybe I just haven't seen all the pictures that are out there of these lenses, but if this is a snow job, it's a pretty elaborate one just to jerk around a bunch of cranky old men who have nothing better to do that prove how smart they are on the internet.
If you think I'm going to post anything you ask for, you've lost your goddamn mind
I stated my opinion and concern that the pictures you posted are in fact pictures of factory GM original lenses (with the DOT polished off and the clips removed). I asked for more pictures to assure me these are not just pictures of OEM GM lenses. Your response is name calling and anger. You completely answered my question. I have no doubt in my mind that the pictures you posted are in fact pictures of (slightly modified) OEM GM lenses.
------------------ Rodney Dickman
Fiero Parts And Acc's Web Page: All new web page!:www.rodneydickman.com Rodney Dickman's Fiero accessories 7604 Treeview Drive Caledonia, WI 53108 Phone/Fax (262) 835-9575
And I would I do that why? I am not selling these now nor do I have any intention of selling them in the future.
I respond the way I have because you have constantly been giving me a hard time for absolutely no reason. Did I do something to you or anyone else? No. Your business is copying and selling parts. Like I'm just going to post pictures of molds and rear side(which shows the seams and how everything is put together). If you had PMd me asking and not been such a jerk this whole time, I probably would have done it. And to think I would mutilate a $500 lense for a single picture I will make ZERO money on...
I DO NOT KNOW OWN THIS PROJECT ANY MORE. I CAN'T GIVE YOU INFORMATION. ESPECIALLY TO SOMEONE LIKE YOU WHO PRODUCES FIERO PARTS.END OF STORY.
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And why (aside from your desire to claim you have been right the whole time) do you say these lenses are not from her molds? Have you seen this picture in the past represented as something else? I see several clues that indicate that these are most likely NOT OE lenses.
1. As Slammed pointed out, they appear to lack the six points around the perimeter where the mounting tabs from the housing would hold them on
2. Tough to tell in the picture, but the black part looks much thinner than the 1/8" or so piece of plastic that is used in the OE lenses. While it is impossible to be sure with just these pictures, it would be consistent with the use of a vinyl inlay as opposed to the factory method.
3. There are no DOT markings. Furthermore, where the DOT markings would be, the background that is visible through the lens is consistent with no smearing that is common with photoshop jobs replacing something that isn't there (as in taking a picture of OE lenses and photoshopping out the DOT markings). The ball is in your court. I have given three concrete observations against your zero. I know I haven't been around here particularly long, but I've done a LOT of research on these taillights and I have never seen them photographed from this angle quite like this. Maybe I just haven't seen all the pictures that are out there of these lenses, but if this is a snow job, it's a pretty elaborate one just to jerk around a bunch of cranky old men who have nothing better to do that prove how smart they are on the internet.
Read Rodney's post ... I TOTALLY AGREE WITH HIM .......they are MODIFIED T.F.Store REPRO'S ............as for your three remarks or challenges they are just like a fart in the wind ... not worth my time trying to make you understand...
Just face it guys, this is over. Stop arguing and asking for proof and more pictures and all this BS. I know everyone is upset here, this is as close as anyone has ever gotten to actually putting a lens out.
Slammed, thank you for trying! I wish you good luck with your sail panels and stuff!!!
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